The new Saints Web/Forum.

[saint lard]

This is in no way is meant to be derogatory to anyone.

Since i joined this "community", sometime ago, i have thoroughly enjoyed the diverse and informative conversations i have had.

This also includes the huge amount of laughs and entertainment that you fellow posters have given me over that time.

I don't "know" any of you but you all seem,with the odd exception,pretty groovey.

My only gripe is that since the introduction of the £5 subsciption the numbers seem to have seriously dropped off.

A little while ago you could log in and see copius numbers online, whatever the time of day and/or night.

Maybe the subscription has sorted the wheat from the chaf, but at what cost?
Only the Mod's/Admin could give the exact figures to what the numbers are in comparison to pre subscription perhaps,either way i offer my thanks for the effort they put in.

And before i get the expected flak,yes i know i can go elsewhere, but i choose to stay here for the reasons i have outlined above.
Again this is not meant to be inflamatory.
Hs this site lost it's "cutting edge"?

[Saintandy666]

Well, active users have dropped from 4000ish to about 2500. That's a drop of 37.5%.

[saint lard]

That is a substantial % to drop IMO.

[equalizer]

It got rid of Corp Ho, so for that reason it was worth it. ;)

[dubai_phil]

Good point, I'd also noticed that the number and turn over of threads is pretty slow as well these days. Stuff hangs around longer than the old takeover threads.

Occassionally we get some new views popping up and then vanishing again. I can't believe it is only about the fiver though, may also be something in the fact that circumstances have conspired to give us some football we are enjoying and it's still too ealry to panic and argue about results, so we have this weird scenario where everyone basically agrees with what everyone else says all the time.

Give it a few more weeks and we can get back to being true Saints fans and moaning and the numbers will be back up, nobody watches News at Ten to hear GOOD or HAPPY things
:-)

[Deppo]

A lot of the traffic was caused by a few of the cheapskates who are still limited to 3 posts a day.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I would have paid £4.95, but draw the line at £5. Boj jas written to me to ask me to reconsider, but I have had to say "NO".

[70's Mike]

Good point, I'd also noticed that the number and turn over of threads is pretty slow as well these days. Stuff hangs around longer than the old takeover threads.

Occassionally we get some new views popping up and then vanishing again. I can't believe it is only about the fiver though, may also be something in the fact that circumstances have conspired to give us some football we are enjoying and it's still too ealry to panic and argue about results, so we have this weird scenario where everyone basically agrees with what everyone else says all the time.

Give it a few more weeks and we can get back to being true Saints fans and moaning and the numbers will be back up, nobody watches News at Ten to hear GOOD or HAPPY things
:-)

I hope your right but there is a general mood of apathy towards the football club in the city at the moment, guys at work who used to ask me about the games on Monday mornings no longer bother.

The club is at a balance point

[rocknrollman no2]

I hope your right but there is a general mood of apathy towards the football club in the city at the moment, guys at work who used to ask me about the games on Monday mornings no longer bother.

The club is at a balance point
This is a very good post.
There used to be five of us at work who were season ticket holders,now im the only one.
If the club doesnt start to improve,then i fear the level of support will drop further.

[Chorlton]

It got rid of Corp Ho, so for that reason it was worth it. ;)

I thought he was one of the better posters and IMO, he often won the arguments (though not the attendance ones). But then I have not paid my £5 through laziness and the fact I rarely post on this site anyway so what does it matter?

The impression I get from this site though, is that that some people seem to genuinely hate each other and take things far too seriously. Point in case, someone the other say posted a great piece and it was thought provoking and open for debate. Straight away someone picked him/her up on their spelling. As someone who remembers the birth of the football fazine it is so frustrating to see It really doesn't matter as long as it can be read.

Anyhoo, forgot what I was going to say so as you were

[Hatch]

it is sad that some users have been lost

To be fair, one corp ho is worth 30 other users

[Ash]

It was always going to happen, the quality of a forum is related to the size and diversity of the people using it and by cutting out a percentage (even if it is 30%) the quality will go downhill.
I preferred reading the musings of people such as Wilko, Mao Cap and Rory (notice how lame the music forum is when an active user cannot start new threads) and it is no coincidence that since Bungle has paid up he has become a lot more dour.
I was amazed really how many people just paid up five pounds and claimed "its only five pounds" I wish I had their personal details so I could sell them all sorts of crap for less than a fiver. What do you get for a fiver? The content side of the site still isn't up and running and despite Baj's claim that it will be the premier fan site on the internet I don't see how two people with little experience in media content can do it.
Bad times.

[saint_stevo]

It is disappointing.

[Ludwig]

I think I've averaged less than three posts per day since paying up. :(

[PES]

This is a very good post.
There used to be five of us at work who were season ticket holders,now im the only one.
If the club doesnt start to improve,then i fear the level of support will drop further.

Then your workmates are indicative of whats wrong with 'fans' at the moment. It's the same in Pompey, I guess more and more we have become customers and if the price is not right or the 'product' simply not good enough, people wont buy. Sad but true.

Pompey = Good Product but Over priced = High percentage of 'Fickle' fans.
Saints = Poor Product at reasonable price = High percentage of 'Fickle' fans.

'Fickle' applied in this context as being fans who pick and choose what games they will support their team at worked out mathematically!

ie.

Enjoyment of game - Price of Entry = Likelyhood of showing up.

These days you can buy a Shirt and stake your claim as a 'Supporter', hence 100,000 of the 200,000 Pompey fans wearing club colours to celebrate our FA Cup success, yet how many o them will regularly put their hands in their pockets to watch 'their' team, about 1/10th. :(

[rocknrollman no2]

You are of course right PES and to be fair i guess both clubs have always had fickle fans.
At the moment we have an unpopular chairmain,a team full of kids and a fixture list which is populated with loads of teams that some would say are unappealing.Add to that the credit crunch and you have a recipe for a half empty stadium.
Until prices start to come down,or we get promoted,which i think is a very long way off,i dont see things changing for the better.

[Ponty]

Moderating for an evening used to be a full-time job. Now hours pass without any posts in the off-topic fora. I've got a suprising amount of stuff done in the last month.

[Junction 9]

Moderating for an evening used to be a full-time job. Now hours pass without any posts in the off-topic fora. I've got a suprising amount of stuff done in the last month.

We should find somewhere else.

[saint lard]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/picture.php?pictureid=7&albumid=3&dl=1220788412&thumb=1 (http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/album.php?albumid=3&pictureid=7)

[saint lard]

Where did my picture i posted go?

[saint lard]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:lDb0J2oY-KDzqM:http://chitty.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/tumbleweed.jpg (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://chitty.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/tumbleweed.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chitty.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/culture-vulture/&h=808&w=1017&sz=208&hl=en&start=3&usg=__0LMCsAaTZwNgKitP6edihJH5Zvk=&tbnid=lDb0J2oY-KDzqM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtumbleweed%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3 DG)

[Weston Super Saint]

Frankly I think it is an absolute godsend that the likes of plastic/Wiltshire Saint don't comment their worhtless musings on every thread.

[Spudgun]

I think I've averaged less than three posts per day since paying up. :(

lol, I don't think I've posted more than three times SINCE paying up!

[Kadeem Hardison]

My opinions aren't worth £5.

[mynameisthehulk]

It is a bit dissapointing so far that as paid up subcribers there are not a few more options in terms of what you can post. It would be nice to be able to post polls for example, or to be able to upload an avatar which was bigger than 80x80. I do feel that the admins owe us a little more than we are getting at the moment.

[Evil Monkey]

It is a bit dissapointing so far that as paid up subcribers there are not a few more options in terms of what you can post. It would be nice to be able to post polls for example, or to be able to upload an avatar which was bigger than 80x80. I do feel that the admins owe us a little more than we are getting at the moment.

All of that is in the deluxe SW package.

[Golden Balls]

I dont come on here as much as I used to. There's just not as much here anymore

[TopGun]

I don't think I've ever seen a post on any forum saying "this is better than it used to be"!

[Mao Cap]

Tbh three posts a day probably does it for me at the moment.
Thanks to people at work taking the **** with their usage of the internets (going on it for bloody hours on end, except for a few minutes every hour or whatnot) everyone's been pretty much banned from using it.
When I'm not working I now have tons of grown-up homeownery stuff to do now, so I'm on the interweb a lot less. May pay the £5 when I'm less busy because I've always enjoyed messing about writing ******** on here, but not at the moment. Place does seem a bit slower, but not by a huge amount IMO.

[mynameisthehulk]

All of that is in the deluxe SW package.

How much is that one then? Will b-anter be updated so that users can be £10 scum?

[Calvin]

Three posts a day is enough for me. I don't need to pay 5 quid to post more on an internet forum as I don't have much time to and I don't work in an office.


Why do people just say the same thing.. Like Jawillwill saying "they are cheapskates who don't pay" You work for an IT company so paying five quid to post ****e on an internet forum is fair enough.
It's really ones choice if the person wants to pay a fiver. Some people don't agree with paying a fiver to post loads as they are busy people, or they just think it's just an internet forum.


:supz::supz:

[Essruu]

It is a bit dissapointing so far that as paid up subcribers there are not a few more options in terms of what you can post. It would be nice to be able to post polls for example, or to be able to upload an avatar which was bigger than 80x80. I do feel that the admins owe us a little more than we are getting at the moment.

I don't know what you Full Members are moaning about. You get loads for your money.

Apart from there STILL not being a 'Premier Southampton fan site', or indeed any 'rubbish fan site' content (maybe it's 'COMING SOON' still), you get benefits like: -

1. being able to display an 80x80 picture under your name
2. being able to send private messages to other people, nerds and weirdos on the internet (most of whom you've probably never met and never will) and you are also able to receive messages from said people, nerds and weirdos
3. you get the words 'Full Member' displayed under your name and avatar to show your commitment to the funding of the Premier Southampton fan site (coming soon)
4. your birthday gets displayed in the 'Today's Birthdays' section at the bottom of the Forum main page. This facility has been withdrawn for Registered Users for some unknown reason - maybe because of abuse, maybe because it was felt that only Full Members deserve to have congratulatory messages posted because they've paid their £5 to the Directors
5. you can start new threads on topics including (but not limited to) What are your weekend plans (make it sound like you're really popular and great and have an action packed weekend ahead that everyone should be jealous of); Rate Your Weekend (repeat what you last put in the 'What are your plans for the weekend' thread and make it sound like you're really popular and great and had an action packed weekend that everyone should be jealous of even though it was really rubbish); What you are going to have for lunch; What you've just eaten for lunch; Happy Birthday to [insert name of Full Member whose name appears in the Today's Birthdays' section]; plus other scintillating thread titles that Full Members and Registered Users alike will struggle to use up three posts on. Don't forget, Registered Users can't start threads, the losers.

Plus, don't forget there's the Premier Southampton fan site anywhere on the internet (COMING SOON) (Possibly).

All in all, it's probably the best £5 I've never spent.

[Kev]

you can start new threads on topics .

As an unpaid Pleb on this forum, I also can't start new threads.

I have to say this disappointed me when I heard about the Mick Channon accident, several hours before a ' paid up member' eventually posted it on here.

etc.

[wadesmith]

I don't know what you Full Members are moaning about. You get loads for your money.

Apart from there STILL not being a 'Premier Southampton fan site', or indeed any 'rubbish fan site' content (maybe it's 'COMING SOON' still), you get benefits like: -

1. being able to display an 80x80 picture under your name
2. being able to send private messages to other people, nerds and weirdos on the internet (most of whom you've probably never met and never will) and you are also able to receive messages from said people, nerds and weirdos
3. you get the words 'Full Member' displayed under your name and avatar to show your commitment to the funding of the Premier Southampton fan site (coming soon)
4. your birthday gets displayed in the 'Today's Birthdays' section at the bottom of the Forum main page. This facility has been withdrawn for Registered Users for some unknown reason - maybe because of abuse, maybe because it was felt that only Full Members deserve to have congratulatory messages posted because they've paid their £5 to the Directors
5. you can start new threads on topics including (but not limited to) What are your weekend plans (make it sound like you're really popular and great and have an action packed weekend ahead that everyone should be jealous of); Rate Your Weekend (repeat what you last put in the 'What are your plans for the weekend' thread and make it sound like you're really popular and great and had an action packed weekend that everyone should be jealous of even though it was really rubbish); What you are going to have for lunch; What you've just eaten for lunch; Happy Birthday to [insert name of Full Member whose name appears in the Today's Birthdays' section]; plus other scintillating thread titles that Full Members and Registered Users alike will struggle to use up three posts on. Don't forget, Registered Users can't start threads, the losers.

Plus, don't forget there's the Premier Southampton fan site anywhere on the internet (COMING SOON) (Possibly).

All in all, it's probably the best £5 I've never spent.

This site has gone a bit crap. As a full-time lurker I used to come on here all the time as there used to be a staedy flow of threads. I mean look at the first page of the main board now..it covers 4 days! I think the £5.00 is irrelevant, I just think people (me included) can't be bothered to pay it. It's a real bummer cos I used to love this site. Now it's boring.

[spain saint]

I have been reading this site and all the previous sites before, for about 7 years and this is my first post since we changed to the new forum! I payed up right away although I have not posted anything. Now that was my choice because i felt that the people that run the site do so in their own time and have to use their own money to keep it going. If users don't want to pay that is their choice. The reason I don't post much is because firstly I had two businesses up until recently and didn't have much time and secondly I like to have a bit of banter and some good debate sometimes, but felt that to many people resorted to abusing each other instead of using their brains to create debate. I do have more time on my hands now so shall be adding my opinions more!

As for the amount of threads started and the amount of traffic on here, it is obviously less, but they are certainly of a higher quality!!!:)

[Ajv2809]

The irony is that the old server couldn't handle the amount on people using the sit.

Now that some have paid to have a server that can handle more people, the people who have stopped using it mean the old server would be satisfactory.

[StuRomseySaint]

The irony is that the old server couldn't handle the amount on people using the sit.

Now that some have paid to have a server that can handle more people, the people who have stopped using it mean the old server would be satisfactory.

I am in the process of setting up www.awaysupporters.co.uk , so I have spent hours registering on just about every clubs forum possible. I have only come across ONE site that has a subscription to post so far, and that is a generic football forum.

I had an email from a Leeds United fansite, asking for 40 members to all donate £10 each, as the servers cost £400 a year to run. Their site has a similar amount of members with a similar amount of posts/threads.

I do not understand how the hell they are supposedly having to pay £400 a month for a server. Especially as a certain Mr Baj has his own servers does he not? He offered me space on there for my site anyway.

I won't be paying anyone to post on a forum, I may well charge people to post on my new one once it's set up though.... seems like easy money. :cool:

The one positive thing about this £5 malarky is that as of yet, I have not found a post from a admin or mod asking for us to be thankful and grateful to them for doing such a wonderful job etc.... that was very tedious.

[Dicko]

Some of us are S4E veterans.

Nothing will ever match the constant lol moments on there

ssssssssshush here comes Keith

[Weston Super Saint]

To be fair 'full members' get more 'benefits' than the golden balls of the previous site....

[Weston Super Saint]

This site has gone a bit crap. As a full-time lurker I used to come on here all the time as there used to be a staedy flow of threads. I mean look at the first page of the main board now..it covers 4 days! I think the £5.00 is irrelevant, I just think people (me included) can't be bothered to pay it. It's a real bummer cos I used to love this site. Now it's boring.

And Master Bates started two of the freds on there :rolleyes:

[Master Bates]

And Master Bates started two of the freds on there :rolleyes:

Is that a bad thing?

[Dicko]

I think the site is moderated too much.

This is the internet for christ sake, even youtube doesn't have a swear filter.

The site would return to the good old days, if they didn't remove posts or threads so readily

[aids victim]

If I had money and wasn't a cheapskate then I would sign up.

I just do not really rely on this place as something to do, it was just somewhere to go if work was quiet.

Saying that, I don't see what the big fuss is about signing up or not signing up.

[CabbageFace]

Im trying to get a refund under the Trade Description Act 1995.

[Weston Super Saint]

Is that a bad thing?

Yes.

No bewbs allowed on teh main bored, so wasted freds :(

[Master Bates]

Yes.

No bewbs allowed on teh main bored, so wasted freds :(

Bump the Pinder thread :p

[mynameisthehulk]

It might be nice if one of the admins could respond to some of the points raised on this thread. They appear more interested in spending time deleting my posts. Now I understand my posts get a little cheeky every now and again, but considering I paid £5, and I am not breaking any rules I really dont see why its necessary. I also never got a response, even a "no" to my request on the avatar thread. So for £5 we now have a worse forum (not as many people) and are being over moderated, and getting poorer service. Good work so far, I could have had a pint and got myself half ounce of baccy and had enough left for a bag of crisps.

[Ponty]

It might be nice if one of the admins could respond to some of the points raised on this thread. They appear more interested in spending time deleting my posts. Now I understand my posts get a little cheeky every now and again, but considering I paid £5, and I am not breaking any rules I really dont see why its necessary. I also never got a response, even a "no" to my request on the avatar thread. So for £5 we now have a worse forum (not as many people) and are being over moderated, and getting poorer service. Good work so far, I could have had a pint and got myself half ounce of baccy and had enough left for a bag of crisps.

Respond to what exactly? Accusations that the forum has quietened down? I've already said that it has further up the page mate.

As for your avatar request, that's a genuine oversight but even so, you could have PMd any of us about it tbh. Anyone else who's asked for an avatar has had it placed with few problems (apart from sizing sometimes). The restriction on size is preferred by most of the users here who don't want to scroll through pages full of huge avatars to read the text. It's the same reason we don't have signatures. It's just clutter.

Poorer service? Thanks.

As for the benefits, Baj and Steve are intending to place Google ads on the site I'm told. As a full member these won't be visible to you. That, the use of avatars, the PM system and other forthcoming content should make it more value for money quite soon.

If you have any specific questions relating to the new forum and its format please direct them to Baj and/or Steve, who I'm sure will be happy to give you more details of their plans.

Cheers.

[CabbageFace]

Infract all the full members everytime you disagree with them, that should be a rule IMHO.

[TopGun]

Bloody moaning minnies!

[OldNick]

The new system was always going to take time to get up and running like it used to.When big news happens then I expect there will be a headlong rush to subscribe and get views aired.
Ido find it a shame there is less traffic but as others have said the loss of a Skate is worht every penny.
As for Essru's sarcastic assessment Im surprisded as I always sound and not a bitter type of person, unless I have misunderstood his post.

[stevegrant]

To answer a few points that have been raised:

Firstly, no disagreement that the forum has been quieter. Whether you term that a good or a bad thing is down to interpretation really. On one hand, there's less content overall, but on the other a lot of the complete and utter crap has also gone. On the main board, which in truth is the only part of the forum I really care about, the actual quality of the content has improved a lot, in my opinion. I certainly wouldn't say that more posts equals a better forum, which is what has been inferred above. The amount of posts has tailed off quite a bit in the last week or so, but that's always happened around international breaks.

The number of "active" users has dropped, as has been mentioned. However, I believe a large amount of that is due to the main board not requiring a login to view anymore, as was the case on the old server.

The avatar size restriction is purely from a "how does the forum look when people are viewing it" perspective. We initially allowed much bigger avatars, but found that they looked absolutely ridiculous and appeared to "dominate" the page so much that the actual content was often hard to pick out. We may look into allowing slightly bigger avatars again in the future, but they won't be an awful lot bigger for this reason. We may be able to get away with bigger avatars if I can redesign the skin layouts slightly so that all the user data appears down the left with the content to the right.

As for the main site, it's taking (a lot) longer than Baj and I were expecting, mainly due to time, unfortunately, and I apologise for the delay and for the upset it's clearly caused many people ;). I've done a fair amount on it in the past week on my daily commute while Baj has been on holiday, but outside of that, I don't really get much time to work on it. Difficult to put a timescale on a launch, but I'd be disappointed if it wasn't up and running within a couple of weeks.

[mynameisthehulk]

To answer a few points that have been raised:

Firstly, no disagreement that the forum has been quieter. Whether you term that a good or a bad thing is down to interpretation really. On one hand, there's less content overall, but on the other a lot of the complete and utter crap has also gone. On the main board, which in truth is the only part of the forum I really care about, the actual quality of the content has improved a lot, in my opinion. I certainly wouldn't say that more posts equals a better forum, which is what has been inferred above. The amount of posts has tailed off quite a bit in the last week or so, but that's always happened around international breaks.

The number of "active" users has dropped, as has been mentioned. However, I believe a large amount of that is due to the main board not requiring a login to view anymore, as was the case on the old server.

The avatar size restriction is purely from a "how does the forum look when people are viewing it" perspective. We initially allowed much bigger avatars, but found that they looked absolutely ridiculous and appeared to "dominate" the page so much that the actual content was often hard to pick out. We may look into allowing slightly bigger avatars again in the future, but they won't be an awful lot bigger for this reason. We may be able to get away with bigger avatars if I can redesign the skin layouts slightly so that all the user data appears down the left with the content to the right.

As for the main site, it's taking (a lot) longer than Baj and I were expecting, mainly due to time, unfortunately, and I apologise for the delay and for the upset it's clearly caused many people ;). I've done a fair amount on it in the past week on my daily commute while Baj has been on holiday, but outside of that, I don't really get much time to work on it. Difficult to put a timescale on a launch, but I'd be disappointed if it wasn't up and running within a couple of weeks.


Thanks for the slightly more considered reply than that of Ponty, which wound me up to the extent I couldnt respond without going off on one.

Another minor issue is the news on demand forum, there is no news on it. Is this something else that can be fixed? Otherwise its another example of paying for something that was free and getting less.

Its not a major issue, I paid my £5 because I thought the forum would be better, and I dont really mind less posts because you are right in saying the quality is better. But I was expecting a little more, and certainly not a little less. I would also expect just a tiny amount of "customer service" considering we are paying customers now. I felt that Ponty's response to my post was dismissive and sarcastic, and I dont appreciate paying for that.

[Thedelldays]

Thanks for the slightly more considered reply than that of Ponty, which wound me up to the extent I couldnt respond without going off on one.

Another minor issue is the news on demand forum, there is no news on it. Is this something else that can be fixed? Otherwise its another example of paying for something that was free and getting less.

Its not a major issue, I paid my £5 because I thought the forum would be better, and I dont really mind less posts because you are right in saying the quality is better. But I was expecting a little more, and certainly not a little less. I would also expect just a tiny amount of "customer service" considering we are paying customers now. I felt that Ponty's response to my post was dismissive and sarcastic, and I dont appreciate paying for that.

very good point....

[Ponty]

Well, it wasn't intended to be sarcastic. I made the very same points, and was genuinely apologetic for missing your post in the avatar thread. That said, it needs resizing first.

[Evil Monkey]

Thanks for the slightly more considered reply than that of Ponty, which wound me up to the extent I couldnt respond without going off on one.

Another minor issue is the news on demand forum, there is no news on it. Is this something else that can be fixed? Otherwise its another example of paying for something that was free and getting less.

Its not a major issue, I paid my £5 because I thought the forum would be better, and I dont really mind less posts because you are right in saying the quality is better. But I was expecting a little more, and certainly not a little less. I would also expect just a tiny amount of "customer service" considering we are paying customers now. I felt that Ponty's response to my post was dismissive and sarcastic, and I dont appreciate paying for that.

Is it worth asking for a refund? Perhaps you wouldnt get the entire £5 back, but due to the lack of promised extras, and frankly disgraceful service from admin such as Ponty, a £4.65 or so return would be a fair IMO. This would take into account the month of limitless posting you have enjoyed/endured.

[Ponty]

Is it worth asking for a refund? Perhaps you wouldnt get the entire £5 back, but due to the lack of promised extras, and frankly disgraceful service from admin such as Ponty, a £4.65 or so return would be a fair IMO. This would take into account the month of limitless posting you have enjoyed/endured.
Very good point....

[mynameisthehulk]

Is it worth asking for a refund? Perhaps you wouldnt get the entire £5 back, but due to the lack of promised extras, and frankly disgraceful service from admin such as Ponty, a £4.65 or so return would be a fair IMO. This would take into account the month of limitless posting you have enjoyed/endured.

I am not sure about a refund, but if I can get you to waste your 3 posts on me, at least I have achieved something :)

[mynameisthehulk]

Very good point....


You see, that is what I am talking about, you didnt apologise for missing the avatar post, you just admitted you did! There wasnt a sorry in sight, and immediately after you try and make amends, you get another dig in. You really are a ****ing **** sucker.

[Ponty]

You see, that is what I am talking about, you didnt apologise for missing the avatar post, you just admitted you did! There wasnt a sorry in sight, and immediately after you try and make amends, you get another dig in. You really are a ****ing **** sucker.

I didn't say "I apologised", I said I was being genuinely apologetic when I said, "As for your avatar request, that's a genuine oversight". It wasn't intentionally ignored.

As for getting a dig in, I was having a joke at Evil Monkey's post. I don't believe you thought he was being serious with the £4.65 thing?

As for calling me names, nice work, that really underlines your position as having the moral high ground.

[Evil Monkey]

Lol.

[hypochondriac]

I don't know what you Full Members are moaning about. You get loads for your money.

Apart from there STILL not being a 'Premier Southampton fan site', or indeed any 'rubbish fan site' content (maybe it's 'COMING SOON' still), you get benefits like: -

1. being able to display an 80x80 picture under your name
2. being able to send private messages to other people, nerds and weirdos on the internet (most of whom you've probably never met and never will) and you are also able to receive messages from said people, nerds and weirdos
3. you get the words 'Full Member' displayed under your name and avatar to show your commitment to the funding of the Premier Southampton fan site (coming soon)
4. your birthday gets displayed in the 'Today's Birthdays' section at the bottom of the Forum main page. This facility has been withdrawn for Registered Users for some unknown reason - maybe because of abuse, maybe because it was felt that only Full Members deserve to have congratulatory messages posted because they've paid their £5 to the Directors
5. you can start new threads on topics including (but not limited to) What are your weekend plans (make it sound like you're really popular and great and have an action packed weekend ahead that everyone should be jealous of); Rate Your Weekend (repeat what you last put in the 'What are your plans for the weekend' thread and make it sound like you're really popular and great and had an action packed weekend that everyone should be jealous of even though it was really rubbish); What you are going to have for lunch; What you've just eaten for lunch; Happy Birthday to [insert name of Full Member whose name appears in the Today's Birthdays' section]; plus other scintillating thread titles that Full Members and Registered Users alike will struggle to use up three posts on. Don't forget, Registered Users can't start threads, the losers.

Plus, don't forget there's the Premier Southampton fan site anywhere on the internet (COMING SOON) (Possibly).

All in all, it's probably the best £5 I've never spent.

On the upside, it means we only have to hear about apple at a maximum three times in any 24 hour period. Every cloud... :)

[Deano6]

mynameisthehulk, please be a bit nicer to Ponty as I believe you are upsetting him.

He doesn't get paid to do this sort of thing you know.

[Kadeem Hardison]

Full members should be allowed avatars that are up to and including 85x85. It goes against all of their civil liberties having a meagre 80x80 avatar. Sometimes I have to move closer to the screen to see them. This is probably giving me radiation/the big C. It is negligent to suggest otherwise. This place is an outrage.

[mynameisthehulk]

Uh oh, here come the cool kids....:rolleyes:

[Wiltshire Saint]

I know a lot of people from this board. We are mates outside this forum and often meet up for a drink before football etc. The last time me and my mates met up wa about an hour ago and we all agreed that mynameisthehulk is well out of order and if anyone shoulf be apologising it should be him. We agreed that the way he has addressed Ponty is disgraceful and that he is a tit.

[Scudamore]

the cool kids left then...

[Kadeem Hardison]

Registered users shouldn't be allowed opinions. Especially ones like the one from Wiltshire Saint above. mynameisthehulk has paid £5 which means he is better than you and he should be allowed to say horrible things about you without being infracted. Also, only Full Members should be allowed to use the rolling eyes emoticon.

I will only pay the £5 when the above rules are in place (including 85x85 avatars). I also think that Wiltshire Saint's post is sarcastic and dismissive and I don't appreciate paying for that.

[mynameisthehulk]

Registered users shouldn't be allowed opinions. Especially ones like the one from Wiltshire Saint above. mynameisthehulk has paid £5 which means he is better than you and he should be allowed to say horrible things about you without being infracted. Also, only Full Members should be allowed to use the rolling eyes emoticon.

I will only pay the £5 when the above rules are in place (including 85x85 avatars). I also think that Wiltshire Saint's post is sarcastic and dismissive and I don't appreciate paying for that.

I agree

HTH

[Wiltshire Saint]

I will not be silenced by someone (like Tiggs) who has not paid their full £5. I offered Boj £4.95 for the privilege of posting here, but he said "NO". I said that I could not afford the full fee, but if I could I would not want to be addressed by people who had not paid. I think that Tiggs, Skiddymore and mynameishthe**** should be banned forthwith.

For me, for what it is worth, Ponty is the best admin/mod on this site. He mods in a way that allows all people to have their say and he always does his best to re-size pictures for avatars. Occasionally there is an oversight on his part, but he is, despite what people say, only human. I, for one, think he is special. I like his car talk. He once advised me on how to change gear in my car and for that I will be eternally grateful. I love him like a mother.

Everyone else is a bastard.

[Kadeem Hardison]

I hate you cool kids.

[Scudamore]

I love it that the three spamigos haven't paid up...

Has forced them to do a little soul searching...

What they found was tarnished goods...

[JB]

Spamigos :)

[OldNick]

This site has become more upmarket now the riff raff can't afford to join up.
We dont wish to be polluted by the oiks and will carry on with our own Gentlemens club and leave the outsiders to troll around for freebies.
Now be off with you.

[bridge too far]

This site has become more upmarket now the riff raff can't afford to join up.
We dont wish to be polluted by the oiks and will carry on with our own Gentlemens club and leave the outsiders to troll around for freebies.
Now be off with you.

Slip of the tongue there Nick, I think?

You meant 'Gentlepersons' club' I imagine?

:)

[OldNick]

Slip of the tongue there Nick, I think?

You meant 'Gentlepersons' club' I imagine?

:)No Im happy with my first words....although we do need people to serve the drinks, and so I might make allowances especially to exotic dancers

[Scudamore]

I would not want to be referred to as a 'gentleperson'

Conjures up images of Lennie from Of Mice and Men for me...

Hows about Goons and Gimps club? That's something i could be involved in...

[stevegrant]

Another minor issue is the news on demand forum, there is no news on it. Is this something else that can be fixed? Otherwise its another example of paying for something that was free and getting less.
Yes, that's a good point. We obviously failed to copy across the RSS feeds from the old forum. I'll try to get those sorted in the next couple of days.

[OldNick]

I would not want to be referred to as a 'gentleperson'

Conjures up images of Lennie from Of Mice and Men for me...

Hows about Goons and Gimps club? That's something i could be involved in...
Members Only Club has a good ring to it. The little urchins would be allowed to put their little snotty faces to the windows 3 times a day, although after a period of time we could shush them away from annoying the paid up patrons.Soon I would envisage that there would be a vote to allow new members in, a bit like the Masons. We may even develop a special handshake, probably on the lines of the Nescafe advert.

[Scudamore]

Yes, that's a good point. We obviously failed to copy across the RSS feeds from the old forum. I'll try to get those sorted in the next couple of days.

Has the posting youtube videos issue been sorted yet?

I noted you couldn't when it first reopened...

And after i'd noted it i added you and baj to "the list"

[CabbageFace]

Just ban "mynameisthehulk" he is clearly a moron.

[Hatch]

all seems exactly the same to me.

But give me an hour, I will have a look around, then come back on here and cry about it.

[bridge too far]

Members Only Club has a good ring to it. The little urchins would be allowed to put their little snotty faces to the windows 3 times a day, although after a period of time we could shush them away from annoying the paid up patrons.Soon I would envisage that there would be a vote to allow new members in, a bit like the Masons. We may even develop a special handshake, probably on the lines of the Nescafe advert.

As long as it doesn't involve the guys rolling up their trousers :shock:

[Dark Sotonic Mills]

As long as it doesn't involve the guys rolling up their trousers :shock:

What about the baring the breast bit, though? That could prove popular.

[TopGun]

Members Only Club has a good ring to it. The little urchins would be allowed to put their little snotty faces to the windows 3 times a day, although after a period of time we could shush them away from annoying the paid up patrons.Soon I would envisage that there would be a vote to allow new members in, a bit like the Masons. We may even develop a special handshake, probably on the lines of the Nescafe advert.

We could get to blackball people wanting to join.

[Scudamore]

We could get to blackball people wanting to join.

Keep your blackballs to yaself...

[Dicko]

Where's our betting forum?

It's clear that would create far more interest than most of the current categories

[stevegrant]

Where's our betting forum?

It's clear that would create far more interest than most of the current categories
We are working on something along those lines, but it will be tied in with the main site :)

[Calvin]

I have paid the five quid because I am annoyed. :lol:

[Saintandy666]

I have paid the five quid because I am annoyed. :lol:

People who pay a fiver are dicks. You just lost all your internet credz. ;)

[StuRomseySaint]

I have a forum now, I am going to shamelessly promote it using one of my 3 freebies.



I still need some mugs to help me with the ground guides as well as sending me pictures of them naked at football matches, if not then just pictures of stadiums will do.

[OldNick]

I have a forum now, I am going to shamelessly promote it using one of my 3 freebies.



I still need some mugs to help me with the ground guides as well as sending me pictures of them naked at football matches, if not then just pictures of stadiums will do.
what type of mugs, will a coffeee one do?

[StuRomseySaint]

what type of mugs, will a coffeee one do?

Well I thought, seeing as there are so many mugs on here willing to pay a fiver to start a thread, I might as well make use of them as well.

Also, I was wondering if the admins of TSW would allow me to contribute 50p to their fund to post one thread shamelessly promoting the site? I don't need all the benefits that £5 will give me.

Mod's , will you accept my offer of 50p for 1 thread?

Alternatively, I will pay you £20 for a Solus email to your userbase.

I would PM you my offer but I don't have PM's

[JustMike]

Well I thought, seeing as there are so many mugs on here willing to pay a fiver to start a thread, I might as well make use of them as well.

Also, I was wondering if the admins of TSW would allow me to contribute 50p to their fund to post one thread shamelessly promoting the site? I don't need all the benefits that £5 will give me.

Mod's , will you accept my offer of 50p for 1 thread?

Alternatively, I will pay you £20 for a Solus email to your userbase.

I would PM you my offer but I don't have PM's

lets see how long your site lasts before you end up being out of pocket and having to charge

[StuRomseySaint]

lets see how long your site lasts before you end up being out of pocket and having to charge

Yes let's.

There is a million and one things they could have done to generate revenue from the website without having to charge to post on this forum.

For example, MatchHotels.com run an affiliate scheme where they would earn 5% of any booking, Superbreak run one with 10% of any revenue.

All they have to do is promote it in the forums, encourage people to use the service and they would probably bring in more than they did through subscriptions, and nobody is out of pocket.

None of the revenue I will make will come from forum subscriptions, you can hold me to that one.

[JustMike]

Yes let's.

There is a million and one things they could have done to generate revenue from the website without having to charge to post on this forum.

For example, MatchHotels.com run an affiliate scheme where they would earn 5% of any booking, Superbreak run one with 10% of any revenue.

All they have to do is promote it in the forums, encourage people to use the service and they would probably bring in more than they did through subscriptions, and nobody is out of pocket.

None of the revenue I will make will come from forum subscriptions, you can hold me to that one.

instead you get a site that is covered in ads. No thanks, id rather pay £5 a year. And im assuming that you would only get money through these schemes if your users clicked on the ad and signed up to whatever offer it was?

[Bud Fox]

instead you get a site that is covered in ads. No thanks, id rather pay £5 a year. And im assuming that you would only get money through these schemes if your users clicked on the ad and signed up to whatever offer it was?

Indeed thats how affiliates work, and a typical response rate is about 0.01% so only about 1 in every 10,000 people who see an ad, click through and then you can only expect around 1 in ten to make a booking, so that makes a booking for every 100,000 views, with an average booking fee of £100, so that makes every 100,000 views paying £10!

Not always the most efficient way of making money!

*All these figures are for a national hotel chain.

[JustMike]

Indeed thats how affiliates work, and a typical response rate is about 0.01% so only about 1 in every 10,000 people who see an ad, click through and then you can only expect around 1 in ten to make a booking, so that makes a booking for every 100,000 views, with an average booking fee of £100, so that makes every 100,000 views paying £10!

Not always the most efficient way of making money!

*All these figures are for a national hotel chain.

makes more sence to pay a fiver then ;-)

[master]

This forum is probably the laughing stock of the internet. Charge users? I do not know of any other forum that charges unless you register to sell items (www.passionford.com) to name one.

Personally I use other clubs forums and post as often as I like FOR FREE.
arsenal-land.co.uk great forum.

[master]

this forum is probably the laughing stock of the internet. Charge users? I do not know of any other forum that charges unless you register to sell items (www.passionford.com) to name one.

Personally i use other clubs forums and post as often as i like for free.
Arsenal-land.co.uk great forum.

ffs you can't even edit posts!!!!!

How crap is this site now?
It has gone to the scrap yard.

[Baj]

This forum is probably the laughing stock of the internet. Charge users? I do not know of any other forum that charges unless you register to sell items (www.passionford.com) to name one.

Personally I use other clubs forums and post as often as I like FOR FREE.
arsenal-land.co.uk great forum.
Yeah, completely advert free.... oh....

[JustMike]

This forum is probably the laughing stock of the internet. Charge users? I do not know of any other forum that charges unless you register to sell items (www.passionford.com (http://www.passionford.com)) to name one.

Personally I use other clubs forums and post as often as I like FOR FREE.
arsenal-land.co.uk great forum.


no good if your a saints fan then is it :confused:

if you dont like it, door and dont let it hit you spring to mind

[StuRomseySaint]

Indeed thats how affiliates work, and a typical response rate is about 0.01% so only about 1 in every 10,000 people who see an ad, click through and then you can only expect around 1 in ten to make a booking, so that makes a booking for every 100,000 views, with an average booking fee of £100, so that makes every 100,000 views paying £10!

Not always the most efficient way of making money!

*All these figures are for a national hotel chain.

That, is complete ********.

Them figures would be true if you were advertising a Hog Roast on a Jew Site, but not for targeted marketing.

For example, the majority of visitors to Saintsweb will book a hotel for an away football match at least once a year, by encouraging people to book through them, instead of donating, I would say that the conversion would be much higher then 0.01% , wouldn't you?

Also, there are other affiliate banners they could use, for example, Brown Bag Clothing, football fashion being a massive part of football culture, there will already be a large amount of people who use that site already, all people have to do is go through Saintsweb and Saintsweb pick up 10% of any sale.

I bought a jumper on there a couple of weeks ago, £140 - if Saintsweb had an affiliate account, then they could have had £14 of my money without having the cheek to try and charge me £5 to post on the forum.

Whilst I have been getting data for my own sites, I have registered or viewed just about every forum on the internet related to English football, I have only come across one other with a charge like this.

* All these figures are based on the experience I have in online marketing and advertising, which ironicly, is my job.

( so to answer Steves question on the other thread, I am fully aware of DPA online, which is why my email to users of loyalsaints was a 'request for help' as opposed to direct marketing, and as I own both, there is no breach of DPA with regards to the details, as they have not been passed to any third party, and lastly, awaysupporters is directly related to loyalsaints and of interest - Sorry to **** on your bonfire Stevo, you can't know everything eh? )

[Saint George]

Well its a matter of principle for me .....I got banned outright from Kieths forum for nothing more than disagreeing with him about Lowe and then had a mod from here (Exit2) trying to silence me with infractions for asking awkward questions about the 'Saints Trust'.....So there aint a hope in hell in me ever paying a fiver or even a 'dime', for the privilege of 'partial free speech'

[Baj]

Another "i was given infractions for asking awkward questions". No, you were given infractions because you broke the forum rules. If we didnt want you here we would have banned you don't you think? I note you don't have any infractions on Saintsweb so it can't have been recent.

It really beggars belief that people still think we have an "agenda"

[Baj]

That, is complete ********.

Them figures would be true if you were advertising a Hog Roast on a Jew Site, but not for targeted marketing.

For example, the majority of visitors to Saintsweb will book a hotel for an away football match at least once a year, by encouraging people to book through them, instead of donating, I would say that the conversion would be much higher then 0.01% , wouldn't you?

Also, there are other affiliate banners they could use, for example, Brown Bag Clothing, football fashion being a massive part of football culture, there will already be a large amount of people who use that site already, all people have to do is go through Saintsweb and Saintsweb pick up 10% of any sale.

I bought a jumper on there a couple of weeks ago, £140 - if Saintsweb had an affiliate account, then they could have had £14 of my money without having the cheek to try and charge me £5 to post on the forum.

Whilst I have been getting data for my own sites, I have registered or viewed just about every forum on the internet related to English football, I have only come across one other with a charge like this.

* All these figures are based on the experience I have in online marketing and advertising, which ironicly, is my job.

( so to answer Steves question on the other thread, I am fully aware of DPA online, which is why my email to users of loyalsaints was a 'request for help' as opposed to direct marketing, and as I own both, there is no breach of DPA with regards to the details, as they have not been passed to any third party, and lastly, awaysupporters is directly related to loyalsaints and of interest - Sorry to **** on your bonfire Stevo, you can't know everything eh? )
And stu, for someone that's so into online marketing, can you explain why spamming an old email list is a good thing? Lets not forget, it was after a long conversation with me on the phone I explained how you could turn your basic idea into a money making website and what angle to take, I seem to also remember that your domain name was my idea as well... but don't thank me, you need all the help you can get.

[stevegrant]

( so to answer Steves question on the other thread, I am fully aware of DPA online, which is why my email to users of loyalsaints was a 'request for help' as opposed to direct marketing, and as I own both, there is no breach of DPA with regards to the details, as they have not been passed to any third party, and lastly, awaysupporters is directly related to loyalsaints and of interest - Sorry to **** on your bonfire Stevo, you can't know everything eh? )
I'd suggest you check it again then.

I'm pretty sure that, when I signed up for the loyalsaints forum god knows how many years ago, it didn't mention anything about being sent e-mails "asking for help" (let's face it, you and I both know it's advertising, albeit subtly worded) to further a commercial venture that wasn't even close to being in your thoughts when you launched that site/forum.

As an example, it's like Rupert Murdoch using all of his contact details from Sky Digital customers to advertise The Times and then turning around and saying "well they're linked because they're part of the same group of companies". News International simply wouldn't get away with it, simply because BSkyB and whatever limited company The Times officially comes under (Times Publishing or something like that, I think), are different entities. Whether there's a link in ownership is irrelevant. Customers aren't necessarily aware of that link (and almost certainly don't care), and I'm sure they'd get pretty ****ed off if they got e-mails from Sky advertising a completely different product.

[notnowcato]

Best read I've had in a long time. Marvellous stuff.

[Baj]

Best read I've had in a long time. Marvellous stuff.
Still love your username :)

[Weston Super Saint]

It really beggars belief that people still think we have an "agenda"

Are you saying it's not that organised ;)

[Hacienda]

Well its a matter of principle for me .....I got banned outright from Kieths forum for nothing more than disagreeing with him about Lowe and then had a mod from here (Exit2) trying to silence me with infractions for asking awkward questions about the 'Saints Trust'.....So there aint a hope in hell in me ever paying a fiver or even a 'dime', for the privilege of 'partial free speech'

I'm sure we are all gutted by that.

[Hacienda]

That, is complete ********.

Them figures would be true if you were advertising a Hog Roast on a Jew Site, but not for targeted marketing.

For example, the majority of visitors to Saintsweb will book a hotel for an away football match at least once a year, by encouraging people to book through them, instead of donating, I would say that the conversion would be much higher then 0.01% , wouldn't you?

Also, there are other affiliate banners they could use, for example, Brown Bag Clothing, football fashion being a massive part of football culture, there will already be a large amount of people who use that site already, all people have to do is go through Saintsweb and Saintsweb pick up 10% of any sale.

I bought a jumper on there a couple of weeks ago, £140 - if Saintsweb had an affiliate account, then they could have had £14 of my money without having the cheek to try and charge me £5 to post on the forum.

Whilst I have been getting data for my own sites, I have registered or viewed just about every forum on the internet related to English football, I have only come across one other with a charge like this.

* All these figures are based on the experience I have in online marketing and advertising, which ironicly, is my job.

( so to answer Steves question on the other thread, I am fully aware of DPA online, which is why my email to users of loyalsaints was a 'request for help' as opposed to direct marketing, and as I own both, there is no breach of DPA with regards to the details, as they have not been passed to any third party, and lastly, awaysupporters is directly related to loyalsaints and of interest - Sorry to **** on your bonfire Stevo, you can't know everything eh? )

For the record, only a total mug pays the prices on Brown Bag.

Way, way cheaper to be found online by savvy "Casual" shoppers.

http://www.thecasualsdirectory.com/

Of course, really savvy folk go to Italy to get it. :cool:

[StuRomseySaint]

And stu, for someone that's so into online marketing, can you explain why spamming an old email list is a good thing? Lets not forget, it was after a long conversation with me on the phone I explained how you could turn your basic idea into a money making website and what angle to take, I seem to also remember that your domain name was my idea as well... but don't thank me, you need all the help you can get.

lol, actually the only piece of advice you gave me that I took into account was to starting on a football related site first rather that the full sporting site, I used that advice due to time contraints. The world does not revolve around you Boj, and you do not know everything and cannot try and claim credit for everything!

And for Steve, like it or not, it is not 'spam' , dress it up any way you like. In the eyes of the law, it is not 'spam' , it is not direct marketing, and information has not been given to any third party.

What is spam is your friends at the Saints Trust sending me emails when I have never supplied them to their site, how did they get them Stevo? They didn't even bother to put them into the BCC folder, instead sent them in CC so everyones email was there for everyone to see! Even semi-famous peoples email addresses, I am sure they would not have appreciated that.

Now the question is, where did Saints Trust get my email address from? The only Saints related site that has that email address is this site, or it's previous aliases as I have long since stopped using it.

And on the subject of DPA, have you checked that you could transfer the data of an old forum, run by different people ( although including yourself ) to a new forum, with a new domain name, that is now a registered business?

Where is my 'soft opt-out' ?

Did you email me asking my permission for my personal information to be transferred onto a new forum owned by a profit-making business? It could be said that by using the people on the old database, you are fixing figures to show an unrealistic figure of users to aid sales ( where have we seen that before Stevo? )

I am sure you realise that my information is now in the hands of a 3rd party, in the eyes of the law.

Maybe you should practice what you preach Stevo and Boj?

[Baj]

Seen now THAT is a nice little affiliate microsite. Minimal upkeep! Yours?

[Baj]

Ok stu, obviously what our conversation actually was, and what you are willing to admit in the face of everyone on this forum are too completely seperate things. Perhaps if you had continued with my advice you wouldn't be begging for users on this forum.

And in relation to the move to the new domain, the old website held a full explanation of what happened during the switch over along with a guide for everyone to read the new terms and conditions of the site. The users who carried on with the forum accepted the new terms, those that don't accept dont use the account. Since we haven't spammed the user database, and since we publish no personal details on our website of our users, other than what they themselves have already put into the public domain, we are perfectly in the right and in the clear in what we did... but you continue to think otherwise stu... it makes us smile.

[CabbageFace]

You lot really want to stop taking things so seriously.

[Weston Super Saint]

You lot really want to stop taking things so seriously.

But it's the innernetz, it's supposed to be serious isn't it?

[StuRomseySaint]

Ok stu, obviously what our conversation actually was, and what you are willing to admit in the face of everyone on this forum are too completely seperate things. Perhaps if you had continued with my advice you wouldn't be begging for users on this forum.

And in relation to the move to the new domain, the old website held a full explanation of what happened during the switch over along with a guide for everyone to read the new terms and conditions of the site. The users who carried on with the forum accepted the new terms, those that don't accept dont use the account. Since we haven't spammed the user database, and since we publish no personal details on our website of our users, other than what they themselves have already put into the public domain, we are perfectly in the right and in the clear in what we did... but you continue to think otherwise stu... it makes us smile.

See the thing is Boj.

1) You contradict yourself, firstly you are saying that I did follow your advice and it was all your idea, then almost in the same breath you are saying that I should have followed your advice I wouldn't need to email people. Which one is it Boj?

Sending out requests to people to get involved in a fans site is hardly begging is it? Mind you, I know SaintsWeb wouldn't do such a thing would they?.... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2451&highlight=articles .... oh.

2) You have passed my details on to a 3rd party ( ie: from TSF to SaintsWeb ) , show me where on the TSF T's and C's that I and others agreed to that. Now obviously I shan't be making a complaint to the DPO, as I use the services, but it's food for thought eh?

3) You show how unprofessional you are,the fact you are bringing up private discussions at business level ( they were at business level seeing payment was discussed ) , not to mention twisting them, I personally wouldn't do business with someone who discusses their business dealings on an internet forum, I am sure many others would agree.

[View From The Top]

I am sure many others would agree.

I think the majority would agree that you're a p r i c k.

[spain saint]

FAO StuRomseySaint
For someone that won't pay to use this site and doesn't seem to like it or many people on it, you do spend a lot of time using it, If the length of your posts are anything to go by!

Thankyou for your most valuable time.

xx

[Wiltshire Saint]

I am sure that any site set up by Stu would be a worthwhile and valuable contribution to the internet and society. Well done Stu!

[Baj]

See the thing is Boj.

1) You contradict yourself, firstly you are saying that I did follow your advice and it was all your idea, then almost in the same breath you are saying that I should have followed your advice I wouldn't need to email people. Which one is it Boj?

Sending out requests to people to get involved in a fans site is hardly begging is it? Mind you, I know SaintsWeb wouldn't do such a thing would they?.... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2451&highlight=articles .... oh.

2) You have passed my details on to a 3rd party ( ie: from TSF to SaintsWeb ) , show me where on the TSF T's and C's that I and others agreed to that. Now obviously I shan't be making a complaint to the DPO, as I use the services, but it's food for thought eh?

3) You show how unprofessional you are,the fact you are bringing up private discussions at business level ( they were at business level seeing payment was discussed ) , not to mention twisting them, I personally wouldn't do business with someone who discusses their business dealings on an internet forum, I am sure many others would agree.

1) I didnt say it was all my idea. I said I told you how to turn it into a money spinner, advice you didnt follow. Oh, and I hardly think promoting our own website ON our own website is hardly comparable to spamming 3rd party websites now, is it?

2) Not really. Since the details are held privatley and not used, only the accounts accepting the new terms and conditions are in use on this website. Dress it up anyway you want, no laws have been broken.

3) Actually we didnt discuss money at all. Money was only discussed when you asked about hosting much MUCH later. As for discussing business on here, meh. It's hardly discussing business when it was entirely apparent that all you wanted was a professionals advice and you had no intention of actually using me. My 4 regular clients from this forum don't complain, that's because they get a thoroughly professional service from me.

[Sundance Beast]

Another "i was given infractions for asking awkward questions". No, you were given infractions because you broke the forum rules. If we didnt want you here we would have banned you don't you think? I note you don't have any infractions on Saintsweb so it can't have been recent.

It really beggars belief that people still think we have an "agenda"

So Baj you deny telling me in an email after I was banned from TSf that you owned the forum and you could chose who could post on your site? Paraphrasing (as I did not keep the original mail, pity as I would love to post it on here) that I was deluded to think the forum was a democracy and that bottom line you owned the forum and you had the final say who posted on it and who didn't.

It appears I was not alone. Personally, I wouldn't trust you with the contents of my dustbin so unlikely to trust you with my financial details. Baj you are more deluded than the stay aways who appear to be some of your best customers. Good luck.

[Kadeem Hardison]

Does anyone know where I can buy a jumper for £150?

[Sundance Beast]

See the thing is Boj.

1) You contradict yourself, firstly you are saying that I did follow your advice and it was all your idea, then almost in the same breath you are saying that I should have followed your advice I wouldn't need to email people. Which one is it Boj?

Sending out requests to people to get involved in a fans site is hardly begging is it? Mind you, I know SaintsWeb wouldn't do such a thing would they?.... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2451&highlight=articles .... oh.

2) You have passed my details on to a 3rd party ( ie: from TSF to SaintsWeb ) , show me where on the TSF T's and C's that I and others agreed to that. Now obviously I shan't be making a complaint to the DPO, as I use the services, but it's food for thought eh?

3) You show how unprofessional you are,the fact you are bringing up private discussions at business level ( they were at business level seeing payment was discussed ) , not to mention twisting them, I personally wouldn't do business with someone who discusses their business dealings on an internet forum, I am sure many others would agree.


Most definitely. Baj you are in danger of coming across as somewhat smug and big headed but it appears the danger has passed and it simply has been confirmed. You alledgedly appear to twist the facts to suit yourself so you are clearly deluded and IMO not to be trusted. Your desperate attempts to defend yourself against Stu suggests he hit more than a sensitive nerve.

[Kadeem Hardison]

Ooh. Get her.

[Hacienda]

I'm sure Baj is gutted that he's upset the mongs.

[stevegrant]

So Baj you deny telling me in an email after I was banned from TSf that you owned the forum and you could chose who could post on your site? Paraphrasing (as I did not keep the original mail, pity as I would love to post it on here) that I was deluded to think the forum was a democracy and that bottom line you owned the forum and you had the final say who posted on it and who didn't.
Er, since when has the forum ever been a "democracy"? Have you (or anyone else) ever been asked to vote on who runs the forum or how it's run?

A handful of us run the forum, and we do so as we see fit. That has never changed, even back in the old Saints Forever days. If we decide we don't want somebody posting on the forum, that's our prerogative. As it is, we try to be as fair and even-handed as possible, but, quite simply, you are very very wrong if you have got it into your head that this forum is a democracy.

Put it another way, I wouldn't expect to have a say in how you ran your own website, so why should you expect to have a say in how we run ours?

[Saint In Exile]

Sorry, I can't be bothered to read this whole thread...

Can someone let me know who's currently ahead in this points scoring contest??

[Sundance Beast]

Er, since when has the forum ever been a "democracy"? Have you (or anyone else) ever been asked to vote on who runs the forum or how it's run?

A handful of us run the forum, and we do so as we see fit. That has never changed, even back in the old Saints Forever days. If we decide we don't want somebody posting on the forum, that's our prerogative. As it is, we try to be as fair and even-handed as possible, but, quite simply, you are very very wrong if you have got it into your head that this forum is a democracy.

Put it another way, I wouldn't expect to have a say in how you ran your own website, so why should you expect to have a say in how we run ours?

It appears I am very wrong but at the same time very right not to contribute my £5 to an entity that can withdraw the service I have paid for simply because they don't particularly like my views. Seems you are running a bit of a closed shop by not opening the forum to all. Hardly entrepreneurial and unlikely to have advertisers knocking clamouring at your doors to get in on the action.

Truble is SG if I ran a website operating as a customer service or shop or some other organisation that provides a customer service then I would welcome all my customer views. When I complained about the level of service I received in a Hilton Hotel recently they didn't respond with its our business and we do as we see fit to maximise our time/revenue ratio. They wrote and thanked me for my comments and advised they would look into the issues raised in the hope they could welcome me again at one of their hotels. Thereby, I feel satisfied that at least they acknowledged the complaint and that it may be worthwhile me using them again as it was a small but annoying issue in an otherwise very pleasant stay.

Unfortunately, your stance is actually killing off the effectiveness and entertainment value of this forum and only cloned citizens need apply. Fit in or ship out so perhaps you don't have any experience in the service sector?

A democracy is in my book about tolerating minority views clearly we are in the realms of the Third Reich with regards to your little niche on the web. Quite how you get to write a piece in the programme I have no idea and IMO one decision the club has got seriously wrong as any article benefits from some balance. StuRS should clearly be given the role as he seems a bit more open to debate and critiscism than yourself.

[Hacienda]

It appears I am very wrong but at the same time very right not to contribute my £5 to an entity that can withdraw the service I have paid for simply because they don't particularly like my views. Seems you are running a bit of a closed shop by not opening the forum to all. Hardly entrepreneurial and unlikely to have advertisers knocking clamouring at your doors to get in on the action.

Truble is SG if I ran a website operating as a customer service or shop or some other organisation that provides a customer service then I would welcome all my customer views. When I complained about the level of service I received in a Hilton Hotel recently they didn't respond with its our business and we do as we see fit to maximise our time/revenue ratio. They wrote and thanked me for my comments and advised they would look into the issues raised in the hope they could welcome me again at one of their hotels. Thereby, I feel satisfied that at least they acknowledged the complaint and that it may be worthwhile me using them again as it was a small but annoying issue in an otherwise very pleasant stay.

Unfortunately, your stance is actually killing off the effectiveness and entertainment value of this forum and only cloned citizens need apply. Fit in or ship out so perhaps you don't have any experience in the service sector?

A democracy is in my book about tolerating minority views clearly we are in the realms of the Third Reich with regards to your little niche on the web. Quite how you get to write a piece in the programme I have no idea and IMO one decision the club has got seriously wrong as any article benefits from some balance. StuRS should clearly be given the role as he seems a bit more open to debate and critiscism than yourself.

I'm sure that, again, we are gutted that you can only post 3 lots of utter ******s per day.

[Baj]

So Baj you deny telling me in an email after I was banned from TSf that you owned the forum and you could chose who could post on your site? Paraphrasing (as I did not keep the original mail, pity as I would love to post it on here) that I was deluded to think the forum was a democracy and that bottom line you owned the forum and you had the final say who posted on it and who didn't.

It appears I was not alone. Personally, I wouldn't trust you with the contents of my dustbin so unlikely to trust you with my financial details. Baj you are more deluded than the stay aways who appear to be some of your best customers. Good luck.

Lol this is priceless. Not only is that a complete fabrication (handy that you've lost the email huh, how many people "lose emails" these days?) Im fairly certain I've never even emailed you.

When people suggest something about me that's a matter of interpretation, then perhaps I get a little wound up, when people make up complete ********, i just laugh.. good one SB

[Baj]

Tell you what Sundance, if you want to see democracy in action, how about we run vote on whether we should ban you or not?

[stevegrant]

It appears I am very wrong but at the same time very right not to contribute my £5 to an entity that can withdraw the service I have paid for simply because they don't particularly like my views.
How many times do you need it banging into your skull that, for as long as I have been an admin on here, not a single person has ever been banned because of their views. Rules have been put in place in an attempt to keep discussion civil. We don't expect everyone to agree on every issue that's discussed, that would be boring and would defy the point of a forum like this, but we do expect people to at least show a modicum of respect for other posters, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. That is why you were banned under one of your previous guises on the old forum, because you were abusive and rude towards anyone who disagreed with your point of view.


Truble is SG if I ran a website operating as a customer service or shop or some other organisation that provides a customer service then I would welcome all my customer views. When I complained about the level of service I received in a Hilton Hotel recently they didn't respond with its our business and we do as we see fit to maximise our time/revenue ratio. They wrote and thanked me for my comments and advised they would look into the issues raised in the hope they could welcome me again at one of their hotels. Thereby, I feel satisfied that at least they acknowledged the complaint and that it may be worthwhile me using them again as it was a small but annoying issue in an otherwise very pleasant stay.
I don't remember ever saying that I won't listen to peoples' views. I'm always willing to listen to opinions about the forum and how it's run, but it's entirely up to me whether I then act on them.

Do you honestly think Hilton Hotels, an international corporation, are going to change their policy off the back of your single complaint? You know as well as I do (or at least you should do) that they've probably got a set of pre-defined "thank you for your comments" letters which they drop the customer name and hotel name into a space and hope that settles the matter. If it was a really bad ****-up, someone might get a bollocking and they might include a voucher as well for goodwill, because it doesn't cost them anything.


Unfortunately, your stance is actually killing off the effectiveness and entertainment value of this forum and only cloned citizens need apply.
Do you seriously believe that?? The diversity of opinions on the main board is still as wide as ever. The overall number of posters is down since we moved to the paid subscriptions, but in my opinion, the actual quality of posts has risen significantly. People are much more careful when there's money at stake (even if it is only a fiver), which I believe has led to many more "considered" replies than before when people would bash the keyboard in response to someone's comments and then all hell would break loose.


A democracy is in my book about tolerating minority views
As I've said before, this forum is NOT a democracy. How we run the forum is entirely up to us. We're happy to listen to peoples' opinions, but it's still entirely up to us whether we alter the way we run things. There are plenty of "minority" views available to view on the forum, they don't tend to hide, and like every other view, they are tolerated by pretty much everyone on the forum.

[Roman]

Tell you what Sundance, if you want to see democracy in action, how about we run vote on whether we should ban you or not?

I'd vote No, fwiw. For the most part, Sundance causes the kind of 'truble' [sic] that can easily be ignored. (Or not: the poor chap is so unrelentingly humourless during his often incoherent rants that he's just too tempting a target.)

Seems to me that this is latest little missive is what passes for an attempt to manipulate the way the forum is run - but it's a spectacular misfire, with all it's vague accusations and odd perorations about the wonders of Hilton (had to be a big-myself-up, posh hotel chain, didn't it!).

I get the impression he desperately wants to be Alastair Campbell - but instead he comes off as a poor man's Victor Meldrew.

His post is a sort of masterclass for the terminally cantankerous.

Very funny. More please.

[Weston Super Saint]

I'd vote No, fwiw. For the most part, Sundance causes the kind of 'truble' [sic] that can easily be ignored. (Or not: the poor chap is so unrelentingly humourless during his often incoherent rants that he's just too tempting a target.)

Seems to me that this is latest little missive is what passes for an attempt to manipulate the way the forum is run - but it's a spectacular misfire, with all it's vague accusations and odd perorations about the wonders of Hilton (had to be a big-myself-up, posh hotel chain, didn't it!).

I get the impression he desperately wants to be Alastair Campbell - but instead he comes off as a poor man's Victor Meldrew.

His post is a sort of masterclass for the terminally cantankerous.

Very funny. More please.

I would vote 'no' also.

I think it's far more amusing having Sumdunce Breast as a 'registered user' with only 3 posts a day.

I have visions of him shouting abuse at his computer once he's finished his third post of the day, having just read an opinion he doesn't agree with, and can't respond with his usual 'someone's wrong on the innernetz' stance :rolleyes:

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I agree. We should remove the £5 thing, and I can then post 30-40 times a day.

[Roman]

I would vote 'no' also.

I think it's far more amusing having Sumdunce Breast as a 'registered user' with only 3 posts a day.

I have visions of him shouting abuse at his computer once he's finished his third post of the day, having just read an opinion he doesn't agree with, and can't respond with his usual 'someone's wrong on the innernetz' stance :rolleyes:

Unfortunately I was in a public place when I read: 'It appears I am very right but at the same time very wrong...' (Giggling to oneself tends to cause worried stares.) But that really must qualify for an award of some kind.

If he can't agree even with himself, what hope has the poor thing got?

But just to prove how detached he is from any kind of understanding of the norms of debate, we get the Nazi comparison. And he's being serious!

I'm sorry, Sundance, but you should take a good look at yourself, because that's not only tasteless; it's by definition very, very ignorant. You really think whatever the Mods are doing that so clearly offends you is on a par with the gassing six million Jews?!

And by the way, I know you can't (!) pay your £5 for whatever reason and so can't send PMs, so why not try emails to wage this private war - or do you not have an email account either?

[JustMike]

That, is complete ********.

Them figures would be true if you were advertising a Hog Roast on a Jew Site, but not for targeted marketing.

For example, the majority of visitors to Saintsweb will book a hotel for an away football match at least once a year, by encouraging people to book through them, instead of donating, I would say that the conversion would be much higher then 0.01% , wouldn't you?

Also, there are other affiliate banners they could use, for example, Brown Bag Clothing, football fashion being a massive part of football culture, there will already be a large amount of people who use that site already, all people have to do is go through Saintsweb and Saintsweb pick up 10% of any sale.

I bought a jumper on there a couple of weeks ago, £140 - if Saintsweb had an affiliate account, then they could have had £14 of my money without having the cheek to try and charge me £5 to post on the forum.

Whilst I have been getting data for my own sites, I have registered or viewed just about every forum on the internet related to English football, I have only come across one other with a charge like this.

* All these figures are based on the experience I have in online marketing and advertising, which ironicly, is my job.

( so to answer Steves question on the other thread, I am fully aware of DPA online, which is why my email to users of loyalsaints was a 'request for help' as opposed to direct marketing, and as I own both, there is no breach of DPA with regards to the details, as they have not been passed to any third party, and lastly, awaysupporters is directly related to loyalsaints and of interest - Sorry to **** on your bonfire Stevo, you can't know everything eh? )

you will not get enough click throughs on your ads. how many people do you need to sign up and then click these ads to break even? Its not just the clicking of the ad, these people actually have to sign up / buy whatever the ad is advertising dont they?

[StuRomseySaint]

you will not get enough click throughs on your ads. how many people do you need to sign up and then click these ads to break even? Its not just the clicking of the ad, these people actually have to sign up / buy whatever the ad is advertising dont they?

Yes they do, like I said before though, it depends what you are advertising, people will come on AwaySupporters looking for information on a football ground, to plan their trip, a large number of people will need hotels, which they can book on the site, a large number of people will be interested in designer clothing, which they can find links on the site, most football fans like a punt, there are some decent bookie incentives.

There is marketing, and then there is targeted marketing, the site is not even close to be finished, and the traffic is coming through, for you info, I have already covered the MASSIVE expense of £17 from last month in commision.... from one booking. contrary to what people tell you, it really is not that expensive to host a website... even when at it's peak, it will not even be close to the cost they are trying to say here.

SEO-wise, piece of ****, I am a complete novice, the site is only patched together at the moment, with only the Arsenal page close to being complete. Most of the relevent keywords on Google already are putting it near the top.

[Baj]

Best of luck Stu, you're right, SEO is dead easy, piece of **** as you say, running a server costs virtually nothing, even under heavy server load and massive bandwidth, and with your vast experience in affiliate marketing I'm sure you'll be a millionaire by xmas.

Go get em tiger!

[benjii]

Baj, you'll be laughing on the other side of your face when Stew-pot sells Stubook to Murdoch for a gazillion cans of stella and a pair of Adidas Gazelles.

[Hacienda]

Baj, you'll be laughing on the other side of your face when Stew-pot sells Stubook to Murdoch for a gazillion cans of stella and a pair of Adidas Gazelles.

What colour Gazelles?

[benjii]

http://eukicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/09-22-adi-blu1.jpg

[JustMike]

Yes they do, like I said before though, it depends what you are advertising, people will come on AwaySupporters looking for information on a football ground, to plan their trip, a large number of people will need hotels, which they can book on the site, a large number of people will be interested in designer clothing, which they can find links on the site, most football fans like a punt, there are some decent bookie incentives.

There is marketing, and then there is targeted marketing, the site is not even close to be finished, and the traffic is coming through, for you info, I have already covered the MASSIVE expense of £17 from last month in commision.... from one booking. contrary to what people tell you, it really is not that expensive to host a website... even when at it's peak, it will not even be close to the cost they are trying to say here.

SEO-wise, piece of ****, I am a complete novice, the site is only patched together at the moment, with only the Arsenal page close to being complete. Most of the relevent keywords on Google already are putting it near the top.

im a web designer and know a thing or two about hosting, seo etc too. I really do wish you luck in your venture.

On a side note, id still rather pay £5 for this per year than have adverts all over it. Personal preference.

[StuRomseySaint]

Best of luck Stu, you're right, SEO is dead easy, piece of **** as you say, running a server costs virtually nothing, even under heavy server load and massive bandwidth, and with your vast experience in affiliate marketing I'm sure you'll be a millionaire by xmas.

Go get em tiger!

And you Baj, are just about the most arrogant tosser that I have ever had the fortune not to meet.

When I use my arrogance on here, much of it is tongue in cheek, however with you, I get the impression that you really do think the sun shines out of your arse and that nobody knows as much as you.

Let's not forget the fact that you, as the director of your company, discuss your private business conversations on an internet messageboard.

Don't give it the **** that no payment was discussed, it was in the first instance, either by way of payment or commision on earnings.

Let's also not forget that I actually had an agreement from you about 2 months ago, once again in a professional capacity with payment, for you to host a website, for which I heard no more. The fact I am more than confident that I can get every page in the top 3, I am glad I went at it alone.

I think you should get your own ship in order before commenting on others, if your customer service skills remain like you show on this forum and with business enquiries, then you won't be able to get out of rented accommodation anytime soon. :lol:

[StuRomseySaint]

im a web designer and know a thing or two about hosting, seo etc too. I really do wish you luck in your venture.

On a side note, id still rather pay £5 for this per year than have adverts all over it. Personal preference.

Thanks. It's only a mess about thing really, if it works then cool, if it doesn't then I will pay a web designer to sort it out properly.

Luckily I am not relying on His Bojesty for any advice or help. One perk of my 9-5 being that I work in the same room as people responsible for development/seo of a site with over 120 million page impressions every month.

But as I said, just a bit of a ' let's see what happens ' jobby really.

[Saint In Exile]

I'd proof read your content before publishing if I were you Stu...

Or have Bolton Wanderers moved to London??

[Baj]

God bless you Stu, you're the sweetness this forum needs to the nasty Baj.

[tpbury]

'kin ell.

SRS and Baj to join wealth and take over SFC!! Rupert Lowe employed as shoe shiner!