Wotte in the running for a job in Egypt

[Saint Martini]

http://www.sportwereld.nl/voetbal/eredivisie/3286382/Wotte_en_Van_Stee_vechten_om_Ismaily.html

As it says in the title. He's one of the final two candidates.

[Matthew Le God]

Can anyone please translate any more of it?

[sotonjoe]

fingers crossed for him

[krissyboy31]

We we get any compensation? :)

[ottery st mary]

Good luck to him in the future....Always thought he tried his best...Just not good enough for The Mighty Saints.

[um pahars]

Sounds as though Van Stee is about as happy with Wotte as Poortvliet was when he left!!!!!

[trousers]

We we get any compensation? :)

His contract with us ends on 1st July (?correct?) so I make the compensation figure £1.87

[thorpie the sinner]

well, that was as clear as mud lol!!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Dutch coach Mark Wotte has agreed to a second spell in charge of last season’s Egyptian title contenders Ismaily.

Brazilian Ricardo decided to leave the club last month, despite a successful season with the Dervishes, allowing for the return of Wotte after he briefly led the team in 2006 before departing for family reasons.

"Wotte will arrive in Ismailia on Monday to finalize talks with the club," the club’s general manager Abdul-Rahman Anous told FilGoal.com.

Wotte was in charge of troubled English side Southampton last season, but could not prevent them from being relegated to League One, essentially the third tier of English football

[beatlesaint]

Dutch coach Mark Wotte has agreed to a second spell in charge of last season’s Egyptian title contenders Ismaily.

Brazilian Ricardo decided to leave the club last month, despite a successful season with the Dervishes, allowing for the return of Wotte after he briefly led the team in 2006 before departing for family reasons.

"Wotte will arrive in Ismailia on Monday to finalize talks with the club," the club’s general manager Abdul-Rahman Anous told FilGoal.com.

Wotte was in charge of troubled English side Southampton last season, but could not prevent them from being relegated to League One, essentially the third tier of English football

If correct one would assume that Pinnacle have thanked him for all his efforts and offered him the Academy job at best then !

[Glasgow_Saint]

If correct one would assume that Pinnacle have thanked him for all his efforts and offered him the Academy job at best then !

He was manager at Ismaily before so a return seems true.

Good luck to him if true.

[Paul Chuckle]

fair play to Wotte for not leaving us in the **** and sorting out preseason schedule and talking to players etc. He could have walked end of season.

I think he worked and tried hard and had we had him in charge all season who knows what might have happened.

Good luck Mark!

[Glasgow_Saint]

More........

Mark Wotte has reached an agreement with Ismaili to become their coach for a second stint, the club's general manager said on Thursday.

Reports suggested that negotiations between the Dutchman and Ismaili reached a dead end due to a disagreement over a clause in the contract.

Wotte demanded to get commissions on every player the club sell, a request that was not accepted by several board members.

But the matter has been resolved, Abdul-Rahman Anous said without giving more details.

"Wotte will arrive in Ismailia on Monday to finalize talks with the club," he told FilGoal.com.

The 48-year-old coached the Dervishes for a brief spell in 2006 before departing for family reasons.

He is set to take over at Ismaili from Brazilian coach Ricardo, who did not extend his one-year contract despite guiding the team to a second-place finish in the Egyptian Premier League.

[St Chalet]

Good luck Mark, thanks for acting professionally in difficult times.

[Colinjb]

Say what you want about him, but I genuinely believe he gave it 100% here, and I don't think that can be said about some of our more recent managers.

Best of luck to him.

[Saint Charlie]

Say what you want about him, but I genuinely believe he gave it 100% here, and I don't think that can be said about some of our more recent managers.

Best of luck to him.

Agreed

[St Paul]

Say what you want about him, but I genuinely believe he gave it 100% here,

.

So did Branfoot.

[paris]

I second that ...


Good luck Mark, thanks for acting professionally in difficult times.

[Mr Nice]

I doubt anyone at Staplewood will miss Wotte.

[NickG]

if this is true, and this has been in the offing for a while he has been very professional in the work he has done pver last few weeks supporting players etc.

Best of luck....

...calling Mr Tisdale!

[thorpie the sinner]

Thing is, Wotte was in the pink today asking where he stood! he is talking about coming back Monday and wanting to know if he will be carrying on and what to tell players etc!!

[Pilchards]

Another manager leaving?

Oh god Rupert Out!

[saint lard]

Thanks,goodbye.

[Weston Super Saint]

LOL.

Wouldn't it be ironic if we announced we knew nothing about our manager being appointed :rolleyes:

[SaintRobbie]

Poor Egypt.

[thorpie the sinner]

LOL.

Wouldn't it be ironic if we announced we knew nothing about our manager being appointed :rolleyes:

that mere fact has got to be worth 1 million euros in compensation lol!

[St Chalet]

The general rule of thumb for compensation is to buy out remainder of managers contract at the salary paid. Based on the belief he is on the same £60k as Portvliet then I make it about £2.5k compensation.

[Mowgli]

I doubt anyone at Staplewood will miss Wotte.

Way off the mark apparently.

[Weston Super Saint]

that mere fact has got to be worth 1 million euros in compensation lol!

And he should pay it himself ;)

[Window Cleaner]

that mere fact has got to be worth 1 million euros in compensation lol!


what for 17 days?

[NickG]

I doubt anyone at Staplewood will miss Wotte.

quite respected by several players I hear.

[stardustonmyfeet]

Way off the mark apparently.

I thought they all hated 'Mr Chocolate'?

[NickG]

what for 17 days?

think he has at least another year on his contract

[hypochondriac]

If true then the takeover seems more official. Surely he wouldn't agree anything until he is certain that the MLT lot are taking over?

[Saint Martini]

If correct one would assume that Pinnacle have thanked him for all his efforts and offered him the Academy job at best then !

There's also a quote from Wotte himself saying he won't move until he has clarity from the eventual new owners.

[Wade Garrett]

Good news if true.

A competent Southern League manager would have done a better job than Wotte and JP last season.

[St Marco]

This is probably the best news we have heard for awhile. Not because the guy was out of his depth, not because the guy got us relegated etc etc but because it means the club can now be 100% pulling in the same direction. If things go wrong in division 3 people would say the ghost of Lowe's errors past lives on in Wotte being manager etc.
But now the club can fully start a fresh. It was obvious he would not have been kept on, his record speaks for itself, a record that is very poor.
So goodluck Mark, hope it works out for you there. But you must take part of the blame for us being where we are and thats why im sure most people will be glad you have gone.

[Tac-tics]

Wotte did a good job wiith his eyes closed and his hands tied behind his back, I still think he gets more stick than deserved.

I wish him the best, St Marco gives a good shout re: lowes errors past lives.

One thing I am confussed about is it says they expect Wotte to be in Eygpt on Monday, he says he'll be at staplewood Monday.

[VectisSaint]

quite respected by several players I hear.
Well thats yet another reason to get shot of Wotte. Our under-achieving players who got us relegated respect him, says it all really.

[St Paul]

Wotte did a good job wiith his eyes closed and his hands tied behind his back, I still think he gets more stick than deserved.

.


If that was a good job, I'd hate to see a bad one.

[Fan The Flames]

I'm very glad if true, I don't rate the bloke or like him.

[saintbletch]

We we get any compensation? :)

I fully expect Wotte to buy himself out of his current contract. The Egyptian job marks a twice in a lifetime opportunity that he just can't turn down.

Thanks for trying Mark.

[bjk]

http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=22341

Good luck to him.

[scotty]

I'm trying hard to give a f**k, but Im not quite getting there.

[SaintRobbie]

I'm trying hard to give a f**k, but Im not quite getting there.

lol!

[SaintRichmond]

http://www.sportwereld.nl/voetbal/eredivisie/3286382/Wotte_en_Van_Stee_vechten_om_Ismaily.html

As it says in the title. He's one of the final two candidates.



Wotte ????? .... has the Toilet attendant outside of the Giza Pyramids retired ?????

.... Mind you, in the "Pink" he claims not to know what's going on ....... so he's just like one of us after all ......:D

[saints_is_the_south]

Picked up the pink in tesco earlier & he was qouted as saying he was becoming a bit fed up with the take over saga & that him, the coaching staff & players needed to know now where they stood ahead of pre-season so this news doesn't come as a surprise after reading that.

Have to say, i quite like him for the passion & genuine care he has for Saints & would appear he's been working hard this summer already, still i think a change of direction is needed & a clean sweep of the Lowe era so he should go.

[ottery st mary]

Wotte ????? .... has the Toilet attendant outside of the Giza Pyramids retired ?????

.... Mind you, in the "Pink" he claims not to know what's going on ....... so he's just like one of us after all ......:D


He has given some the impression he didn't know what was going on all season.....I blame JP and Rupes for not trying to enlighten him about this beautiful game.:D

[Wopper]

Excellent news.

[Belgiansaint]

Like him or not, his professionalism was unquestionable. He did not leave the sinking ship. Good luck to him.

[SaintRichmond]

He has given some the impression he didn't know what was going on all season.....I blame JP and Rupes for not trying to enlighten him about this beautiful game.:D

Unfortunately ( for us), Old Claret Face knew nothing about the "Beautiful Game " ......... so Edam & Gouda were on a loser right from the start

[SaintRichmond]

We we get any compensation? :)



Three Camels and a Yak ............... Wives fetch at least Twenty

[SaintRichmond]

quite respected by several players I hear.


True ..... mind you, the other 39 can't stand the sight of him.............:D

[SaintRichmond]

Wotte did a good job wiith his eyes closed and his hands tied behind his back, I still think he gets more stick than deserved.

I wish him the best, St Marco gives a good shout re: lowes errors past lives.

One thing I am confussed about is it says they expect Wotte to be in Eygpt on Monday, he says he'll be at staplewood Monday.




Just another Manic Monday ....................

[Saint Charlie]

Also means we need a new manager quick. Playerd are in on Monday and then properly next week, we need a manager asap.

[offix]

Wotte screws a fellow coach/manager?
Surely not?

Proving again what a complete moron and self involved w@nker he is. A fellow coach asks him for advice about working at one of Wotte's former clubs, and Wotte than picks up the phone and tries to steal that job away?
No wonder that Mr. Chocolate has no friends in the industry.

[gjphilsaint]

The slate would be suitably clean then wouldnt it?

[Saint Fan CaM]

Bye. Thats all.

[explorer saint]

Good luck to the guy think its the best all round, clean slate and all that

[Thedelldays]

i see it is the done thing to hate wotte on here and call him a ****.

no shocker really considering the type of fan we have...

[Mr Saints]

Wotte is a ****.

[Thedelldays]

ok

why is wotte a ****...?

a not very good manager maybe...but **** and all that goes with it..?

[Mole]

Thank **** for that.

[SaintRobbie]

ok

why is wotte a ****...?

a not very good manager maybe...but **** and all that goes with it..?

He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently.

Will that do?

[Thedelldays]

He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently.

Will that do?
oh..so it was his fault that lowe went with him..and not lowes fault at all..

fans did not help last year at times and some agreed with him

[SaintRobbie]

oh..so it was his fault that lowe went with him..and not lowes fault at all..

fans did not help last year at times and some agreed with him

Fans didnt help Lowe. And of course Lowe accepted his barking advice so it is Lowe's responsibility ultimately as Chairman.

Still - seems it has finally worked out for the better.

.... oh yeah and the other reason you have mentioned already... Wotte is a crap manager.

[Thedelldays]

Fans didnt help Lowe. And of course Lowe accepted his barking advice so it is Lowe's responsibility ultimately as Chairman.

Still - seems it has finally worked out for the better.

.... oh yeah and the other reason you have mentioned already... Wotte is a crap manager.
so was poortvliet yet is he a ******..?

[SaintRobbie]

so was poortvliet yet is he a ******..?

Yep. Nice but dim. Certainly helped screw us up quite fantastically last season along with his sidekick Wotte.

[Thedelldays]

Yep. Nice but dim. Certainly helped screw us up quite fantastically last season along with his sidekick Wotte.
tio be fair..they are bot crap but what did you really expect with a far weaker squad than the season before...y'know that season where it took god to save us with 8 mins to go (with results out of our hands)

[SaintRobbie]

tio be fair..they are bot crap but what did you really expect with a far weaker squad than the season before...y'know that season where it took god to save us with 8 mins to go (with results out of our hands)

True... but not much weaker, we had internationals sitting back in the training ground whilst we paid their wages whilst the kids and Dutch duo embarrassed us.

Anyway... Wotte's off and I have to say I believe that he will be the least missed manager since Branfoot by the fans.

[saintjay77]

He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently.

Will that do?

He relegated us? Really? You sure about that? Bugger all to do with the team that preformed so well the year before then? Or finances being so carp that most of the decent players we had left got loaned out or frozen out? Lowe has been trying to get his kids experiment up and running for years so I dont think it took much convincing from Wotte or anyone else. Ole saggy chops pointed that out years ago.

He rightly critasised a small section of the fans and that rubbed other fans backs up the wrong way.

Couldnt give a monkeys if he is friends or not with the rosey faced twwat.

Ultimatly we are where we are for many more reasons than just Wotte being in charge. I think he would have done better had all the situations been different but dont think he would ever be spectacular.

Good luck to the guy if he is off and thanks for trying. Hope the take over happens soon now and they get someone in ASAP.

[Thedelldays]

True... but not much weaker, we had internationals sitting back in the training ground whilst we paid their wages whilst the kids and Dutch duo embarrassed us.

Anyway... Wotte's off and I have to say I believe that he will be the least missed manager since Branfoot by the fans.
not much weaker...??
did our finances not dictate that we could not play rasiak etc..oh yes, we went into admin so it was all true in the end

are you taking the ****??

you hate wotte more than redknapp???

[NickG]

I have some respect for Wotte, none for the other one you mention

[Thedelldays]

I have some respect for Wotte, none for the other one you mention
fair enough

wotte tried his best and he/it was not good enough last year... to be fair, not many would have been good enough

but to suggest the squad he had last season was "not much weaker" than the year before and that he will be missed as much as branfoot is a joke and shows up the stupid feeling among saints fans we still have.

[St Marco]

He relegated us? Really? You sure about that? Bugger all to do with the team that preformed so well the year before then? Or finances being so carp that most of the decent players we had left got loaned out or frozen out? Lowe has been trying to get his kids experiment up and running for years so I dont think it took much convincing from Wotte or anyone else. Ole saggy chops pointed that out years ago.

He rightly critasised a small section of the fans and that rubbed other fans backs up the wrong way.

Couldnt give a monkeys if he is friends or not with the rosey faced twwat.

Ultimatly we are where we are for many more reasons than just Wotte being in charge. I think he would have done better had all the situations been different but dont think he would ever be spectacular.

Good luck to the guy if he is off and thanks for trying. Hope the take over happens soon now and they get someone in ASAP.

Sorry mate but i don't buy it. Wotte had a far easier time of it then say Jan did. Hell Wotte got a champions league striker and various other players that Jan did not have, Wotte had the luxuary of playing whoever he wanted to.
The harsh reality is he is a manager, his job is to get the team playing. That involves being able to motivate them and get them playing above themselves. When he took over only 1 player in my book improved and that was DMG, everyone else continued playing **** or got worse.
Team performances wise in my view we got worse. I think i saw all but one of the games with him in charge and most of the time i left thinking we were **** or we were very lucky. Size being a fine example of that.

He was employed with almost half a season in charge, having been here all season to get the team out of the mess we were in. He started that job 3 points away from safety, he left it 7 points from safety.
So while Jan and the players deserve a lot of the blame Wotte is to blame for more simply because as i said he had a free reign of the players and was able to bring in people on loan, all of which contribute to the wage bill. After a loss players were out and about on the town remember? Would previous managers have allowed that? Remember what Pearson said after the BWP and Dyer scandal?

So to place all the blame at Wotte's feet would be silly and untrue. But he is responsible for a large amount of it. He started his tenure by praising the board, specifically Lowe, telling us how great he was and how those who didn't want him there were "kids" and "Not real fans". How ironic that 6 months later that very man took the club into administartion and to its darkest period in its entire excistence hey? Maybe people had a case to be angry about all that?
So many things as you say are at fault for our plight, but he failed and should of walked the last day of the season.
Ironically didn't Jan say he was a **** or something? At least Jan has played in a world cup final, Wotte has done nothing.

[Thedelldays]

shocker...manager praising his boss...lol

also, who remembers arry having a pop at lowe about playing the kids on sky (ie, not praising his boss) and arry got roundly slated...

i guess if the face fits you can say what you like

as for jan playing in a world cup final...what the hell has that got to do with anything

mourinho did not even play football at a decent level...fergie hardly reached the dizzy heights

[the scud]

At long last he has gone! may mean Dean Gorre will follow him

[SFC Forever]

I still believe he should have gone when Jan went. He didn't and then put his foot in it with his speech against the supporters.
That said and even though he failed to turn it round and we got relegated. I feel he has shown some quality inthe way he continued after the season finished.

[Legod Third Coming]

Dutch coach Mark Wotte has agreed to a second spell in charge of last season’s Egyptian title contenders Ismaily.

Brazilian Ricardo decided to leave the club last month, despite a successful season with the Dervishes, allowing for the return of Wotte after he briefly led the team in 2006 before departing for family reasons.

"Wotte will arrive in Ismailia on Monday to finalize talks with the club," the club’s general manager Abdul-Rahman Anous told FilGoal.com.

Wotte was in charge of troubled English side Southampton last season, but did not prevent them from being relegated to League One, essentially the third tier of English football

It said could. It meant did. He could have prevented it, he didn't. That's the difference between fact and opinion.

[Saint Charlie]

Lets get Tisdale!!

[Legod Third Coming]

i see it is the done thing to hate wotte on here and call him a ****.

no shocker really considering the type of fan we have...

No shocker considering what a fecking pig's ear he made of the whole season. We won three games, on a roll, what does he do? Employs the tactics of the Italian army combined with the vision of Stevie Wonder. Good riddance.

[um pahars]

Like him or not, his professionalism was unquestionable. He did not leave the sinking ship. Good luck to him.

So maybe you could explain why he was talking to Ismailythree weeks ago.

Of course with everything being up in the air he has every right to sort his future out, but he was not going to go down with the ship he helped sink!!!!!!!!

[niceandfriendly]

He's been the one person over these dramatic past few months who has always been passionate about Saints and has given 100%. The man cares about this club which is more than can be said for almost every player or past manager we've had over the last few seasons. I'd still rather have another manager in, but would have liked to have seen him stay on as Academy director. Doesn't deserve this moronic abuse which he's been getting on here, but we should come to expect it from this board.

Good luck to him.

[niceandfriendly]

Of course with everything being up in the air he has every right to sort his future out, but he was not going to go down with the ship he helped sink!!!!!!!!

ummmm. Well I think you'll find he hasn't officially left yet, and he's often said he wants to stay at Saints if he is wanted. So your argument completely falls down.

[SarniaSaint]

Good luck to the guy think its the best all round, clean slate and all that

Just hope the clean slate means no more Askam, Richards, Crouch, Corbett, McMeneny, et al, etc..

[saintjay77]

Sorry mate but i don't buy it. Wotte had a far easier time of it then say Jan did. Hell Wotte got a champions league striker and various other players that Jan did not have, Wotte had the luxuary of playing whoever he wanted to. Wotte might have had a better bunch of players to choose frm than JP but that doesnt mean the team was much better. On one hand he had a better choice but on the other he probably knew it was going to sink us faster financially. He must have known why players were benched previously. so the off the field antics would have ballenced out the restrictions in one wa or another IMO. I think he did better than JP though as he didnt just stick with 1 failing system and tried to make things happen.
The harsh reality is he is a manager, his job is to get the team playing. That involves being able to motivate them and get them playing above themselves. When he took over only 1 player in my book improved and that was DMG, everyone else continued playing **** or got worse. agree with the 1st bit and even under the circumstance I think he could have done better. It was a rollor coaster ride for many of the players and it was pot luck if any were going to have a better game or not. I do wonder if he would have done better in this area had there not been the off the field pressures but not enough to want him to show us here.
Team performances wise in my view we got worse. I think i saw all but one of the games with him in charge and most of the time i left thinking we were **** or we were very lucky. Size being a fine example of that. was it any different for the past 2 seasons? I dont think so and think each manager could hae done better

He was employed with almost half a season in charge, having been here all season to get the team out of the mess we were in. He started that job 3 points away from safety, he left it 7 points from safety. FFS half the season he was in charge of the ******* acadamy! Historically thats like promoting some girl off the tills to run Sainsburys in Hedge End and having a go when it doesnt work out because she was at the company the whole year. well i know its not quite like that but come on. This seemless management thing is viewd as if he was the puppet master and JP just did everything he said. It was obvious once Wotte took over that there wasnt much about what JP did that he stuck with so apart from the guff the OS trotted out it ardly seemed too seemless. Also by your numbers there it seems we were actually 4 points worse off come the end of the season. How many points worse off were we with Pearson? Im not trying to compare them cause I think Pearson is the better manager but if Pearson took over and we were 3 points from safty and his results were taken into account would we have survived then? My point is the team under both managers under performed big style and it doesnt matter if there is a manager we love or a manager that we hate.
So while Jan and the players deserve a lot of the blame Wotte is to blame for more simply because as i said he had a free reign of the players and was able to bring in people on loan, all of which contribute to the wage bill. After a loss players were out and about on the town remember? Would previous managers have allowed that? Remember what Pearson said after the BWP and Dyer scandal? Dont see how Wotte shoud get more of the blame on that one but cant argue about players twaating about. Wotte was week on that one and for what ever reason he let them out I would have had them running up and down sand dunes for the performances they put in. Pearson brought in allot of players too and during that time we piissed away the OD. So the next bunch of loans we got in stepped down a class. I do think it was a case of loaning every man and his dog and hope that we unearth a gem. That strikes me more of desperation than a solid plan though which goes to show what state he club as a whole was in. People can ****** all they want about Wotte or Lowe but the whole club has been screwed for years. lets hope the take over happens and the new owners can fix wht has been broke.

So to place all the blame at Wotte's feet would be silly and untrue. But he is responsible for a large amount of it. He started his tenure by praising the board, specifically Lowe, telling us how great he was and how those who didn't want him there were "kids" and "Not real fans". How ironic that 6 months later that very man took the club into administartion and to its darkest period in its entire excistence hey? Maybe people had a case to be angry about all that? What manager new in a job doesnt praise the board that employed them? They would be a fool not too wouldnt they? I never heard him say how great Lowe was but maybe that was one of th cryptic messages that you read. You know the ones that say one thing but everyone says they mean something else? He didnt pick on those that didnt want Lowe here as that would have rounded up 99% of the fan base. He singled out the ones that were talking about not coming into the stadium to support the team of wich was a small group of people. He actually praised the "real fans" that came to games and gave support even when the team was arse and didnt deserve supporting. That very man you say? Mr Barcleys for putting us in admin? Wilde for never having the investment? Crouch for over spending? Lowe for too much to put in a short sentance?
So many things as you say are at fault for our plight, but he failed and should of walked the last day of the season.
Ironically didn't Jan say he was a **** or something? At least Jan has played in a world cup final, Wotte has done nothing.I wouldnt have complained if he had walked at the end of the season TBH. WGS just left Celtic cause he came 2nd so anyone getting relegated would expect the manager to walk. With so much about the saints uncertain though I think its fair to give the guy some credit for sticking about and making sure there is something to pass over to who ever the next guy is. Would Fry have sorted out Pre-season had Wotte walked? Dean Gorre maybe? How bout the fitness coach? Maybe Lowe could have come back and had a crack at it? ;)

I dont think Wotte did well but I get piissed off with the mud that gets slung at him when our club has been sinking for years. Its like this club is a pantoime and the only way some people are happy is if they have there villan to point the finger at.

There is so much BS in there that I cant be bothered to argue with you. I doubt we will ever agree on much to do with past events so lets just hope that the future brings more we can all smile about and maybe even agree on a bit more.

Edit: changed my mind and my answers in bold above.

[derry]

Wotte was a smart ass coach who thought that he and his system was the most important ingredient. He failed completely as a manager as he got nowhere near the best out of the players.

He didn't do simple, which was to assess the players and play the formation that brought the best out of their combined abilities.

The players didn't like or understand how to play the diamond and the lack of width blunted our sttack and left our defensive flanks wide open.

The final verdict was relegation brought about by the combined arrogance of three people, Lowe, Portvliet and Wotte who knew better than the rest of football in this country.

Good riddance to all of them.

[SaintRichmond]

He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently.

Will that do?



WRONG ........... Prior to the strat of the season, it was LOWE who had decided

A) To ditch Pearson, because HE hadn't appointed him
B) Announce to the world, that the Team would be basically the Academy Team
C) Sell or loan out, any and all experienced Goalscorers
D) Bring in Poortvliet and Wotte
E) Adopt a Dutch Total Football concept

In those circumstances, it would have taken a REALLY experienced Manager to have kept us in the CCC

He may have relegated us, but IMHO, the seeds had been sown by Lowe's completely ridiculous decisions, which, above all else, demonstrated all too well, his TOTAL lack of Football understanding



Simples ..........:cool:

[Give it to Ron]

Commission ...hahhahaha

http://beta.filgoal.com/english/News.aspx?NewsID=56568

[Matthew Le God]

I hope Rupert didn't give him a commission clause in his contract. :D

[SW11_Saint]

All the best to you Mark, have everything crossed for you that you get this job.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Commission ...hahhahaha

http://beta.filgoal.com/english/News.aspx?NewsID=56568
Just about sums Wotte up, had that been Harry Redknapp wanting these terms, this board would be in melt down.

Still it gives us an insight as to why Lowe got on with him.

[SaintRobbie]

you hate wotte more than redknapp???

I dont hate anyone. Redknapp failed, Wotte failed. Both relegated us. Both are on a par for various reasons.

In terms of ability which one would I have as manager right now if the hypthetical choice presented itself? Redknapp for so so so many reasons.

[SaintRobbie]

WRONG ........... Prior to the strat of the season, it was LOWE who had decided

A) To ditch Pearson, because HE hadn't appointed him
B) Announce to the world, that the Team would be basically the Academy Team
C) Sell or loan out, any and all experienced Goalscorers
D) Bring in Poortvliet and Wotte
E) Adopt a Dutch Total Football concept

In those circumstances, it would have taken a REALLY experienced Manager to have kept us in the CCC

He may have relegated us, but IMHO, the seeds had been sown by Lowe's completely ridiculous decisions, which, above all else, demonstrated all too well, his TOTAL lack of Football understanding



Simples ..........:cool:

Agreed - but certainly not wrong. Wotte convinced Lowe it could be done way before all this - in fact just before Burley's appointment. Wotte planted the seeds for this a long time ago in Rupert's mind.

[SaintRobbie]

He relegated us? Really? You sure about that? Bugger all to do with the team that preformed so well the year before then? Or finances being so carp that most of the decent players we had left got loaned out or frozen out? Lowe has been trying to get his kids experiment up and running for years so I dont think it took much convincing from Wotte or anyone else. Ole saggy chops pointed that out years ago.

He rightly critasised a small section of the fans and that rubbed other fans backs up the wrong way.

Couldnt give a monkeys if he is friends or not with the rosey faced twwat.

Ultimatly we are where we are for many more reasons than just Wotte being in charge. I think he would have done better had all the situations been different but dont think he would ever be spectacular.

Good luck to the guy if he is off and thanks for trying. Hope the take over happens soon now and they get someone in ASAP.

Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact.

Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change.

Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while.

Let us all not forget that.

Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that.

[Fan The Flames]

Just about sums Wotte up, had that been Harry Redknapp wanting these terms, this board would be in melt down.

Still it gives us an insight as to why Lowe got on with him.

It probably gives an insight into what our future would have been under Lowe and Wotte.

[Fan The Flames]

Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact.

Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change.

Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while.

Let us all not forget that.

Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that.

Spot on.

[gordonToo]

Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact.

Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change.

Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while.

Let us all not forget that.

Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that.

McMenemy also relegated us and then went on to manage the team through one of its most successful periods. I have to say your continual persecution of Wotte makes you appear a very sad individual indeed.

[SaintRichmond]

Agreed - but certainly not wrong. Wotte convinced Lowe it could be done way before all this - in fact just before Burley's appointment. Wotte planted the seeds for this a long time ago in Rupert's mind.



Without splitting hairs, I would contend that Lowe NEVER did anything that HE Himself was convinced was the right thing to do ......

It was common knowledge that Jason Dodd for example thought Lowe's idea of going down the Youth Only route was sheer madness, and with only one conceivable outcome ..... which regrettably for Saints fans, proved all too correct

Wotte/Poortvliet would have had no chance with their supposed Total Football concept, had it not been already in Lowe's mind .......... all Lowe looked at was that it was CHEAP to do .......... One Dutch duo for less than Pearson, plus relatively small wages for the Youth players, as opposed to our Mega Bucks earners, who were either sold or loaned

Lowe's decisions had NOTHING to do with Football, just 1000% Business:cool:

[SaintRichmond]

McMenemy also relegated us and then went on to manage the team through one of its most successful periods. I have to say your continual persecution of Wotte makes you appear a very sad individual indeed.



Really ???? Sorry you feel that way ........I'm sad as well .... I'm sad at the way Lowe virtually destroyed OUR CLUB

Persecution ??? ...... He deserves every word as far as I am concerned ....

As a matter of fact my friend, to quote your words ..... I am "very sad" that some people still cannot see what he has done to Saints

[saintjay77]

Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact.

Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change.

Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while.

Let us all not forget that.

Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that.

Yet Redcrap has been a success elsewhere both before and after. I really do wish he was found out to be as crap as we know he has been but thats not been the case. Someone else pointed out that Lawrie relegated us once upon a time too. Again I am not trying to big up Wotte as something special but I dont see how he can be blamed for all the problems which obviously have effected us for years.

I actually agree with some of what SaiNt ...... has to say in that the decissions and policys of the club have brought it to its knees rather than the skill or lack of skill of the man in charge of the team.

[gordonToo]

Really ???? Sorry you feel that way ........I'm sad as well .... I'm sad at the way Lowe virtually destroyed OUR CLUB

Persecution ??? ...... He deserves every word as far as I am concerned ....

As a matter of fact my friend, to quote your words ..... I am "very sad" that some people still cannot see what he has done to Saints

The message was actually addressed to the poster known as SaintRobbie. Are you the same person by any chance?

[saintjay77]

Without splitting hairs, I would contend that Lowe NEVER did anything that HE Himself was convinced was the right thing to do ......

It was common knowledge that Jason Dodd for example thought Lowe's idea of going down the Youth Only route was sheer madness, and with only one conceivable outcome ..... which regrettably for Saints fans, proved all too correct

Wotte/Poortvliet would have had no chance with their supposed Total Football concept, had it not been already in Lowe's mind .......... all Lowe looked at was that it was CHEAP to do .......... One Dutch duo for less than Pearson, plus relatively small wages for the Youth players, as opposed to our Mega Bucks earners, who were either sold or loaned

Lowe's decisions had NOTHING to do with Football, just 1000% Business:cool:

Although I agree with some of that as I said in my responce to Saintrobbie the point about business doesnt really sit right.

Years of underspending ended with us being relegated yet a couple of years of overspending got us to adminitstration. I think the ideal would have been somewhere in the middle but the main players all did what they thought was best and we are where we are.

[ottery st mary]

Thank God this will all be water under the bridge soon...Lowe, Wilde JP and Wotte all yesterdays men....Forum poster opinion and peeps call it persecution..How sad is that..

The supporters of this very poor crew should wake up and realise just how much damage Lowe and his motley crew thrust upon this football club....Very sad in deed.

Wotte will look after himself...We owe him zilch...and lest we forget how Lowe and Wotte treated JP You have not heard the last of that....Oh! forgot...gagging orders.

[eelpie]

I actually agree with some of what SaiNt ...... has to say in that the decissions and policys of the club have brought it to its knees rather than the skill or lack of skill of the man in charge of the team.


My feelings are that although Redcrap and Wotte failed to save us from relegation in probably unfortunate circumstances, the worst failure was Burley's because he had an enormous amount of money at his disposal and full support of the various Boards up until our Play-Off year. He wasted resources on and off the field, and didn't have a clue what he was doing with probably the biggest squad we have ever had. And his profligacy ultimately bankrupted us.
Then when Jones and Bale were sold he just lost interest. Thank you, Burley.

[gordonToo]

Thank God this will all be water under the bridge soon...Lowe, Wilde JP and Wotte all yesterdays men....Forum poster opinion and peeps call it persecution..How sad is that..

The supporters of this very poor crew should wake up and realise just how much damage Lowe and his motley crew thrust upon this football club....Very sad in deed.

Wotte will look after himself...We owe him zilch...and lest we forget how Lowe and Wotte treated JP You have not heard the last of that....Oh! forgot...gagging orders.

I thought it was Crouch that had demanded JP be sacked?

[ottery st mary]

I thought it was Crouch that had demanded JP be sacked?

You could be right....Doubt that he wanted Wotte though after the first failure....The point is that the whole Ruprt scheme was a failure from the start and it will be good to have a fresh start..hopefully...Nothing personal against Wotte...Good luck to him in Egypt or wherever...Very much doubt he cared for JP after his departure. He failed like the rest.

[SaintRobbie]

McMenemy also relegated us and then went on to manage the team through one of its most successful periods. I have to say your continual persecution of Wotte makes you appear a very sad individual indeed.

I am not persecuting Wotte, simply pointing out that the bloke has been part of the disaster that has been Saints under Lowe, a significant part of the disaster. I agree with other posters though, the blame is firmly upon Lowe for the vast majority of the mismanagement of this Club.

So as far as I am concerned along with the remaining 80% (given the polling on here a few weeks ago) Wotte can go and I and others will lose no sleep whatsoever.

Sooner the better - fresh manager needed for a refreshingly new era.

[Foxstone]

I wish him well !

I think in another time and with better circumstances he would have been a decent coach.

He gave a damn and was not in the same crap class as idiot George !

[rallyboy]

well he Mustapha a good reason for going.





I'll get my coat, and his.

[SaintRobbie]

I wish him well !

I think in another time and with better circumstances he would have been a decent coach.

He gave a damn and was not in the same crap class as idiot George !

What the same George who generated the highest win rate of any Saints manager in recent history and was a penalty away from a play off final that we may have actually gone on to win to return us to the Premier League? hic...

We're several years away from that sort of opportunity now due to the relegation to League 1 that Mr Wotte contributed to regardless of the circumstances.

I wish him god speed! :)

[SaintRobbie]

Thank God this will all be water under the bridge soon...Lowe, Wilde JP and Wotte all yesterdays men....Forum poster opinion and peeps call it persecution..How sad is that..

The supporters of this very poor crew should wake up and realise just how much damage Lowe and his motley crew thrust upon this football club....Very sad in deed.

Wotte will look after himself...We owe him zilch...and lest we forget how Lowe and Wotte treated JP You have not heard the last of that....Oh! forgot...gagging orders.

What is the score on the confidentiality clauses now that the plc is dead? Can ex managers and players now speak out without fear of prosecution from Lowe and his cronies? Afterall, JP was quite scathing not long after he left about Wotte et al.

[thorpie the sinner]

So is Wotte at Staplewood or in Egypt?? Anyone know!!

[saintjay77]

So is Wotte at Staplewood or in Egypt?? Anyone know!!

Good point. cant be in both so if anyone can find out then we might have a better idea on whats going to happen post takeover if it happens

[Foxstone]

What the same George who generated the highest win rate of any Saints manager in recent history and was a penalty away from a play off final that we may have actually gone on to win to return us to the Premier League? hic...

We're several years away from that sort of opportunity now due to the relegation to League 1 that Mr Wotte contributed to regardless of the circumstances.

I wish him god speed! :)

Ah, the time when we could ( or rather he could) **** money up the wall eh! ;)

With all the riches at his disposal at the time, he still failed to get us promoted by poor purchases and a criminal neglect of our defence ( which proved our achilles heel and a chief reason why we were'nt promoted).
Our best players that season were Jones, Baird and Bale who were already at the club when Georgie arrived !

Once he missed that opportunity and cash had to be reined in, he lost the plot/interest/whatever and we sank further into the mire...

He was the worst since Branfoot IMO.

[SaintRobbie]

Ah, the time when we could ( or rather he could) **** money up the wall eh! ;)

With all the riches at his disposal at the time, he still failed to get us promoted by poor purchases and a criminal neglect of our defence ( which proved our achilles heel and a chief reason why we were'nt promoted).
Our best players that season were Jones, Baird and Bale who were already at the club when Georgie arrived !

Once he missed that opportunity and cash had to be reined in, he lost the plot/interest/whatever and we sank further into the mire...

He was the worst since Branfoot IMO.

I agree he wasnt the best but no way the worst since Branfoot! In terms of achievements, Wotte has the honour of being the worst simply by relegating us to League 1.

As Mr Lowe says... 'Its a results based business' :)

[70's Mike]

So is Wotte at Staplewood or in Egypt?? Anyone know!!

Camels spotted in Marchwood yesterday

[gordonToo]

[QUOTE=SaintRobbie;329251Wotte has the honour of being the worst simply by relegating us to League 1. [/QUOTE]

Don't be ridiculous. The game was all but up when Wotte took over and administration delivered the coup de grace. If you want a bogey man other than Lowe look in JP's direction. Now there's your candidate for worst ever manager.

[70's Mike]

don't be ridiculous. The game was all but up when wotte took over and administration delivered the coup de grace. If you want a bogey man other than lowe look in jp's direction. Now there's your candidate for worst ever manager.

worst or most gullible

[gordonToo]

worst or most gullible

Probably both!! Totally out of his depth.

[VectisSaint]

Reading between the lines here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8101113.stm
sounds like Wotte is fairly clear he is not going to be manager next season if Pinnacle complete the deal on Friday as planned.

[ottery st mary]

What is the score on the confidentiality clauses now that the plc is dead? Can ex managers and players now speak out without fear of prosecution from Lowe and his cronies? Afterall, JP was quite scathing not long after he left about Wotte et al.

Knowing Rupert he would take himself to court if he put himself down....You know what I mean:rolleyes:


Most players/Managers get on with their lives after a while and think he is not worth it.....He is still talked about in most boot rooms and some think he will make it big in football one day.....I can see their point and think he could do a good job in the Tyro league...Only joking Rupert. You have got to start somewhere....Maybe JP and Wotte will start at Under 9 age group with you.:D

Mind you JP will never trust them again.

[um pahars]

Now there's your candidate for worst ever manager.

Poortvliet surely has to be our worst manager ever (or at least in living memory).

Whilst he was certainly more personable than Branfoot and came across better, I'm afraid I would even have to rate Branfoot above Poortvliet as Jan was just so out of his depth!!!!

[saintjay77]

Poortvliet surely has to be our worst manager ever (or at least in living memory).

Whilst he was certainly more personable than Branfoot and came across better, I'm afraid I would even have to rate Branfoot above Poortvliet as Jan was just so out of his depth!!!!

I think JP comes accross as one of those managers that you would like to do well but never looked like getting close. The initial games looked promissing but he only had one trick and was soon found out. Not what anyone would expect of a manager in any of the top 4 leagues in the UK really.

[SaintRobbie]

Yes JP was bad but he was playing to a youth policy that was instigated by Lowe and guess who else... WOTTE!

All roads seen to somehow return to the good friends Mr Lowe and Mr Wotte. JP was pump but the youth policy restriction imposed on him from above was just stupid.

What's reassuring is we all acknowledge Lowe's contribution. I just think people need to look holistically at Wotte's contribution and not just his performance as manager (which was pretty crap to be honest despite getting the restrictions of youth lifted).

[um pahars]

Yes JP was bad but he was playing to a youth policy that was instigated by Lowe and guess who else... WOTTE!

All roads seen to somehow return to the good friends Mr Lowe and Mr Wotte. JP was pump but the youth policy restriction imposed on him from above was just stupid.

What's reassuring is we all acknowledge Lowe's contribution. I just think people need to look holistically at Wotte's contribution and not just his performance as manager (which was pretty crap to be honest despite getting the restrictions of youth lifted).

I totally agree that both Lowe and Wotte must also take their share of the blame.

Lowe should never have appointed Poortvliet and should never have been involved in the footballing side. That was the fundamental mistake, appointing someone beyond their capability (he obviously didn't learn from his previous errors).

And Wotte of course was a key player in the revolutionary Coaching Set Up in those early days, and whilst it was suggested Poortvliet had the final say you can rest assured that Wotte was right in the mix as well (along with Kim van Der Waals of course;)).

I don't want to do a Wotte and hang Poortvliet out to dry, as the major problem lay with Lowe, but he really was awful!!!!!

[saintjay77]

Yes JP was bad but he was playing to a youth policy that was instigated by Lowe and guess who else... WOTTE!

All roads seen to somehow return to the good friends Mr Lowe and Mr Wotte. JP was pump but the youth policy restriction imposed on him from above was just stupid.

What's reassuring is we all acknowledge Lowe's contribution. I just think people need to look holistically at Wotte's contribution and not just his performance as manager (which was pretty crap to be honest despite getting the restrictions of youth lifted).

??? what are you on about? Lowe has had the youth policy idea for bloody years but couldnt get a manager to sign up to it. Dont see how you can pin it on Wotte who wasnt even mentioned as a possible manager for us till Redcrap left and Redcrap himself fliped Lowe the bird on playing the kids.

feck knows what plannet you live on but I guess you must have loads of fun there. lol

[Give it to Ron]

And Wotte of course was a key player in the revolutionary Coaching Set Up in those early days, and whilst it was suggested Poortvliet had the final say you can rest assured that Wotte was right in the mix as well (along with Kim van Der Waals of course;)).

I don't want to do a Wotte and hang Poortvliet out to dry, as the major problem lay with Lowe, but he really was awful!!!!!

I lay the blame totally at the numpty that insisted on playing one up front and trying to kid everyone we were playing three!
The continuance of solely McG who is never a target man for 25 games was for me one of the main reasons we failed so abysmally.
There were some shocking substitutions like bringing on Gillet v Sheff Weds when they were just hoofing it long....Gillet did his best but at 5ft didly squat he got beaten regularly and didn't surprise me when they equalised.

[Give it to Ron]

Apparently Wotte was supposed to collect his things last Thursday but there was a hold up .

Here is a translation from the post on the Egyptian clubs best fans site....http://www.elismaily.com/main/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4042

On Thursday as he was currently in England, he collected his belongings from the club Southampton in preparation for the return of the new Thursday Asmaeilih On the other hand, the Council will hold a meeting tomorrow may be the most important during the current period will be the discussion of all matters relating to the Fouta Balholndy Mark and the young director of the new candidate is Fathi Fawzi Gamal friend, or perhaps working with each other bilateral and new deals will be discussed, and so decided to postpone the extension of the technical start of the run to Saturday

[saintjay77]

Apparently Wotte was supposed to collect his things last Thursday but there was a hold up .

Here is a translation from the post on the Egyptian clubs best fans site....http://www.elismaily.com/main/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4042

On Thursday as he was currently in England, he collected his belongings from the club Southampton in preparation for the return of the new Thursday Asmaeilih On the other hand, the Council will hold a meeting tomorrow may be the most important during the current period will be the discussion of all matters relating to the Fouta Balholndy Mark and the young director of the new candidate is Fathi Fawzi Gamal friend, or perhaps working with each other bilateral and new deals will be discussed, and so decided to postpone the extension of the technical start of the run to Saturday

Clear as mud that init lol

[Master Bates]

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