The money is not there..

[monkadill]

Quote "The Saints boss also revealed that he is also hopeful that trialist Graeme Murty may not be far away from joining the club on a full time basis."

What are we playing at - Murty is not the catch of the season yet there's promise he might join the team.

I am convinced we will not bring any one in who will influence the team- the season starts next weekend!

[chrisobee]

Is this not already covered on about a dozen threads already ? Why does it need so many threads all on similar themes. Does anyone have time to scroll through them all because I don't.

[monkadill]

Because we had hopes and they will be dashed

[Saintjersey]

Because we had hopes and they will be dashed

FFS stop being a moody c***, what hopes have been dashed? We now have a club, stop moaning.

[SNSUN]

no money? I need sauce, sores, saws or Tom Soares

[S-Clarke]

Jesus Christ. You don't buy a club for near on 15million and let it linger in league 1.

You want a return, you don't get that return in league 1 or being relegated to league 2.

Therefore you HAVE to invest into the team - FACT.

ML is clever and so is Cortese - the liebherr family haven't made their fortune by being idiots.

[monkadill]

Lets hope im wrong then..

[monkadill]

I have an idea............wait 8 days from the start of the season and then build a team when we are .oh -10 points. Am i the only one that can see this is bad planning.
Yes im happy we have a club and happy we have AP but that doesn't change the facts.

[S-Clarke]

I have an idea............wait 8 days from the start of the season and then build a team when we are .oh -10 points. Am i the only one that can see this is bad planning.
Yes im happy we have a club and happy we have AP but that doesn't change the facts.

Blame Pinnacle, not this lot.

[gonzo]

FFS, can we stop the whinging? They've said all along it's not about reckless spending, but steady and sensible progress.

It could well be that Alan Pardew hasn't seen any players that he feel will go for an acceptable price. He did say that he'd be scouring the free transfer market to begin with.

The other thing to factor in is that we're a third tier team starting ten points behind every other in the division. Therefore, to a number of players, we will not be seen as an attractive bet, regardless of club facilities etc.

I think patience is the key word for us here.

[Crab Lungs]

How long have they been here? How long has Pardew been here? Not to mention the fact that our pre-season was blighted by the ongoing takeover saga (no-one can be purchased in that time, in all honesty) and then we had a change of manager (change in manager means a change in possible targets, too - which means our shortlist has probably been completely revised)

There is money, I'm sure but it's not as simple as 'oi, fancy a game mate?' and the player is signed.

Also, just because we now have money doesn't mean that we can go out and grab any player we want. We've got to be methodical and clever, I suspect asking valuations have changed since other clubs we know we now have a billionaire in charge and regardless of his spending motives, all they see is pound signs. We'll do well not being held to ransom.

We're probably a few weeks behind everyone else in terms of acquiring personnel which means we may have missed out on some bargains, so Pardew is probably being astute with his identification of players and budget. We'll strengthen, I'm sure. Don't worry.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

[gonzo]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

Edited irrelevant comments. :)

[Danny]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

LOL

[NickG]

and the drama queen award for thread title based on nothing but to get attention goes to.....

[S-Clarke]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

lol. that's all there is to say to that

[hackedoff]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

It,s cracking posts like this that keeps me going through all this despair.

[monkadill]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

LOL - that is funny - i can take a joke!

[monkadill]

You know when you see a team saved by the bell by a rich business man and there is money splashed around and good players brought in and fresh hope... well id settle for a glimpse of that. At the moment i think every one is high on AP and the take over and cant see the woods for the trees!

[NickG]

Quote "The Saints boss also revealed that he is also hopeful that trialist Graeme Murty may not be far away from joining the club on a full time basis."
What are we playing at - Murty is not the catch of the season yet there's promise he might join the team.

I am convinced we will not bring any one in who will influence the team- the season starts next weekend!

you missed out the bit of the quote where he said "I'd like to think we can get a couple of players in this week"

Any reason - apart from it totally undermining your drama queen thread title?

[The boy done well]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

What an appalling and insulting post.

[monkadill]

Wake up and smell the coffee - the season starts next week!

[OnTheCross]

Because we had hopes and they will be dashed

I had hopes that the club would be saved from liquidation... oh, and it was.

[monkadill]

Come on guys - i am chuffed we have a team. Is no one else thinking " why haven't we started to build a team in preparation for the start of the season?"

[NickG]

Wake up and smell the coffee - the season starts next week!

and finishes in about 10 months

[monkadill]

and finishes in about 10 months

Guess your dizzy with the high of being saved and AP as the manager to not see the dilemma?

[NickG]

Guess your dizzy with the high of being saved and AP as the manager to not see the dilemma?

I am excited about the season and confident that Pardew will build a good side.

The owner has spent £16m to buy the club.

He has cleared the debt.

He has afforded a manager we couldn;t have done last year.

He has allowed us to turn down bits for younger players that we couldn't before.

He offered KD a contract on his first day.

He is affording Saga and Rasiak - we couldn't last season.

He offered John a competitive contract -we couldn't last year.

He has said that he realises year on year investment is needed to return the club.

Pardew has said new signings likely this week.

That's why I am positive.


You say "money is not there" as thread title based on what?

[SFC Forever]

We may be under prepared for Millwall. I still fancy we will do better than some gloom merchants on here. I would also like to see some transfers coming our way. However I bought my two season tickets because we still have a club. My kids are happy to be able to wear our colours and so am I. Would be a bit pointless without the club wouldn't it.

[St Lightjaw]

Therefore you HAVE to invest into the team - FACT.

ML is clever and so is Cortese - the liebherr family haven't made their fortune by being idiots.


The liebherr family are far from idiots .... agreed.

And they will want a return for the purchase.

However, they could get a nice return by just giving us an average league 1 wage budget, and creaming money off from a well supported clubs income from pay on the day gates and season ticket sales.

Spending £££ on trasfers is a gamble in football. We've established the liebherr family are not idiots ... so forget the big bucks and hope for some crafty frees and loans.

[Wes Tender]

Some on here are little kids moaning that Santa hasn't brought them any presents when we haven't even reached Xmas day yet.

[monkadill]

I am excited about the season and confident that Pardew will build a good side.

The owner has spent £16m to buy the club.

He has cleared the debt.

He has afforded a manager we couldn;t have done last year.

He has allowed us to turn down bits for younger players that we couldn't before.

He offered KD a contract on his first day.

He is affording Saga and Rasiak - we couldn't last season.

He offered John a competitive contract -we couldn't last year.

He has said that he realises year on year investment is needed to return the club.

Pardew has said new signings likely this week.

That's why I am positive.


You say "money is not there" as thread title based on what?

I agree with everything you say, yet it is what it is... a weak side with one new signing. I am chuffed we have kept AL and have signed a handy L/B. But you know we lost some good players prior to the take over (and i accept why) but now we need to strengthen. The Poles will be off so that leaves us with a blunt sword in attack.

Put it like this...if you had to prepare for a -10 start to a season and the last friendly was today, would you be happy with the team and why wouldn't you do somthing about it?

[NickG]

you missed out the bit of the quote where he said "I'd like to think we can get a couple of players in this week"

Any reason - apart from it totally undermining your drama queen thread title?

read the full article.

still didn't answer where you got your thread title from?

[Smirking_Saint]

FFS

[monkadill]

I'll put the kettle on..

[shurlock]

What many of these threads overlook is the fact that we've only appointed our chief scout today. Am sure Pards has got people in mind and we'll see a new face or two next week, but there's also an argument for not over-committing but waiting and seeing and taking advantage of the knowledge and resources that Murdoch will doubtless bring.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

We're doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pardew out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he's had long enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring back Lowe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring back Branfoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[skintsaint]

We will beat Millwall 3-0 anyway and then people will just moan about not scoring 4.

[greg_hill]

So because we have a player on trial who has not signed full time yet but probably will soon, this means our billionaire owner who tok over three weeks ago has no money?

non sequitur, anyone?

[Gingeletiss]

Guess your dizzy with the high of being saved and AP as the manager to not see the dilemma?

Why don't you collect up all your toys, put them back in your pram, and grow a pair............FFS, fickle doesn't go anyway near trying to describe some of you 'fans'...........

[Panda]

Top down planning is in progress at SMS. First a new owner; then a new executive team; then a new team manager; then a management support team; next, improve the team. Classic business 'top down' restructure.

We are still within the first month of ML taking over. He has to put right the wrongs of the past, create a new today, and then start on a long term process of building success.

Just because we have not signed every player agents have phoned us about does not mean we have no money. May be the ones offered have not been good enough! AP working top down too here. He has taken a week or two to find out what he has to work with, make some fundamental changes to the fitness levels, systems, etc., resolve some outstanding contract issues with current players, establish exactly what he has available to work with and then start to integrate a few new faces slowly and as required.

This is a 'long haul' job and if they take it in steps we will be all right, if we rush it we might just end up no better off than we used to be under GB with lots of money spent but in the wrong places.

Despite our new owner, our wonderful facilities and great fans (see some above posts and ask if this is the case?) playing catchup in League 1 is not going to be the first choice of many talented players, they will have better options. AP really has to make progress with what he has plus a couple of new older heads to then start to change the perspective of better quality players so that they can see coming here really is a good career move.

If you think this can all be done in three weeks then you need to wake up, forget the coffee (and other drugs), and take a long hard look at the reality! Otherwise I suggest you visit your GP and get some medication because one or two around here are showing clear signs of clinical depression and truly need help.

[Gingeletiss]

Panda...........top post. Await the doom mongers, they'll be awake by midday!!!!!!!!!!

[NickG]

I am excited about the season and confident that Pardew will build a good side.

The owner has spent £16m to buy the club.

He has cleared the debt.

He has afforded a manager we couldn;t have done last year.

He has allowed us to turn down bits for younger players that we couldn't before.

He offered KD a contract on his first day.

He is affording Saga and Rasiak - we couldn't last season.

He offered John a competitive contract -we couldn't last year.

He has said that he realises year on year investment is needed to return the club.

Pardew has said new signings likely this week.

That's why I am positive.


You say "money is not there" as thread title based on what?


I agree with everything you say, yet it is what it is... a weak side with one new signing. I am chuffed we have kept AL and have signed a handy L/B. But you know we lost some good players prior to the take over (and i accept why) but now we need to strengthen. The Poles will be off so that leaves us with a blunt sword in attack.

Put it like this...if you had to prepare for a -10 start to a season and the last friendly was today, would you be happy with the team and why wouldn't you do somthing about it?

so if you agree with all of that, why a thread called "the money is not there"?

I cannot believe the whinging on this forum at the moment

[chrisobee]

I cannot believe the whinging on this forum at the moment

Surely after 6,000 + posts you can ;)

[SaintRichmond]

I agree with everything you say, yet it is what it is... a weak side with one new signing. I am chuffed we have kept AL and have signed a handy L/B. But you know we lost some good players prior to the take over (and i accept why) but now we need to strengthen. The Poles will be off so that leaves us with a blunt sword in attack.

Put it like this...if you had to prepare for a -10 start to a season and the last friendly was today, would you be happy with the team and why wouldn't you do somthing about it?

The main worry for me, is the SAME worry as this time last season ....#

If Rasiak goes .....WE DO NOT HAVE A GOALSCORER ..... therefore, as last season, we will play some Pretty Pretty Football, then get stuffed when a Big Strong opposing CF bangs one in against us

Stern John has gone .... the Rasiak situation changes daily ..... We simply do not have the fire power Up Front

OTHER Div 1 Teams have recognised strike Forces .... at the moment we do not

IMHO, Pinnacle caused us to lose FIVE weeks, and for that, all associated with that "Con of the Century" should be shot ( Except MLT )

Leibherr/Cortese/Pardew are now suffering from those wasted weeks

[Delmary]

Quote "The Saints boss also revealed that he is also hopeful that trialist Graeme Murty may not be far away from joining the club on a full time basis."

What are we playing at - Murty is not the catch of the season yet there's promise he might join the team.

I am convinced we will not bring any one in who will influence the team- the season starts next weekend!It took 4-5 years to run this club into the ground and nearly out of existance. ML came in and saved the club only 3 weeks ago. ML and his team need to be given time to build up their experience of running a football club. FFS stop being such an ungrateful drama queen. SFC nearly died in July. Manchester City where taken over some time ago but it is only now that they are up and fully running signing players. Please let's all use a bit of common sense and just realise that this season is about building the foundations for next season.

[John B]

What an appalling and insulting post.

I thought it was a joke post was it not?

[John B]

so if you agree with all of that, why a thread called "the money is not there"?

I cannot believe the whinging on this forum at the moment

Perhaps those posters with limited intelligence should be denied acceess to this forum.

Then I suppose there would be nothing much to say

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Patience

[Delmary]

Quote "The Saints boss also revealed that he is also hopeful that trialist Graeme Murty may not be far away from joining the club on a full time basis."

What are we playing at - Murty is not the catch of the season yet there's promise he might join the team.

I am convinced we will not bring any one in who will influence the team- the season starts next weekend!Here's a quote for you:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/430449/Saints-alive-under-Alan-Pardew-Scroll-down-for-YOUR-League-One-team.html
"I have been impressed by the owners. They will get there with or without me - hopefully with, as I'm in for the long haul. One of the things in my favour as opposed to West Ham and Charlton, where I was on the other side of takeover, is that here I am the manager the new owners want."

PATIENCE FFS

[Verbal]

I hope someone's hidden the razor blades.

[OnTheCross]

Perhaps those posters with limited intelligence should be denied access to this forum.

Why, that's the most ridiculous [The remainder of this message has failed the fan intelligence test and has been deleted from the server]

[kpturner]

Words cannot describe the IMMENSE irritation I feel when I see thread titles and OPs like this. There is some argument for publicising peoples ages so we can cut some slack to those too young to know better.

We were on the brink of oblivion, then saved with very little time to prepare. What on earth do people expect at this moment in time!!

[Saint_Jonny]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

best post ive read for ages :) very funny. Patience is a vertue many of you lot dont have by the looks of it!

[eurosaint]

Some on here are little kids moaning that Santa hasn't brought them any presents when we haven't even reached Xmas day yet.

I have the feeling that many of these moaners are genuinely quite young !
Surely anybody who who has any experience of business and life in general would not react like this ?? This is not meant as an ageist remark but I honestly feel that the immaturity shown by some posters is alarming !

[fareham saint phil]

Jesus Christ. You don't buy a club for near on 15million and let it linger in league 1.

You want a return, you don't get that return in league 1 or being relegated to league 2.

Therefore you HAVE to invest into the team - FACT.

ML is clever and so is Cortese - the liebherr family haven't made their fortune by being idiots.

Sensible answer and one that should be remembered couldn't have put it better myself, well maybe without the jesus christ bit in fear of the grim reaper that occupies this forum sooooo much these days

[Clifford Nelson]

Perhaps those posters with limited intelligence should be denied acceess to this forum.

Then I suppose there would be nothing much to say

It's a psychological conditioning of a large group of fans to meet any piece of news or event with catastrophic expectations. That's what years of dashed hopes do to people. If we're not one of those we just have to be patient and respond with a pat on the back and a "there there".

[John Smith]

Getting things done right the first time, is much more important than getting things done quickly. Although this may be difficult for some of our younger supporters, I think some of the older ones appreciate that we need to do things this way. We need to stop the rot! We need to stabilize and build a base to work from. For me, this year, survival is THE most important thing. We have a very limited squad of players and injuries and suspensions could really impact any aspirations. I want a secure L1 performance. I want stability. I want to look forward to next season.

IF, and that's a big IF, we get anywhere near the playoffs this season, that will probably be as good as it can get. My worry would be winning those play offs and getting promoted, because this year, we a re barely ready for L1, we'd be nowhere near the step up to CCC in one year.

To finish on a positive, maybe, just maybe, Rasiak will end up top scorer by a mile in this league. Our wingers 'are' good enough for this league and want to prove something. Our CM's get the passing going and tackles in and dominate the game. Our CB's stay fit and are commanding, oh, and we have the best keeper in the league. Maybe! Just maybe...

[Windmill Arm 2]

Quote "The Saints boss also revealed that he is also hopeful that trialist Graeme Murty may not be far away from joining the club on a full time basis."

What are we playing at - Murty is not the catch of the season yet there's promise he might join the team.

I am convinced we will not bring any one in who will influence the team- the season starts next weekend!

Hang yourself quietly please.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Wes Tender http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/redbar/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=401700#post401700)
Some on here are little kids moaning that Santa hasn't brought them any presents when we haven't even reached Xmas day yet.

I have the feeling that many of these moaners are genuinely quite young !
Surely anybody who who has any experience of business and life in general would not react like this ?? This is not meant as an ageist remark but I honestly feel that the immaturity shown by some posters is alarming !


This has always been the practical method to take. I just find it laughable with the conversions to this stance now Lowe has gone.

[Glasgow_Saint]

This thread is called 'The money is not there.. ' I have scanned all posts but can see why its named that? Have I missed something? Has AP said something about avalible funds?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Blame Pinnacle

While I accept the Pinnacle delay cost us a few weeks preparation, I can't agree that this can be leaned on as an excuse ALL season.

- Pre season training didn't started till June 22nd and Wotte spent time preparing our current stock.
- Takeover was then completed 8th July (2 weeks "lost")
- ML and team then waited 10 days to appoint AP (???) (3.5 weeks "lost")
- AP has been here since 17th July ample time (imo) to have identified and purchased two or three players without "panic buying" (is Harding guaranteed to be sh*t because he signed him after 2 days?)
- MK Dons appointed Paul Ince a week before we appointed AP, he has managed to sign 8 players!! MK Dons are now one of the favorites to go up (even our fans are tipping them on the 'who will win L1' thread)

Pinnacle cost us a few weeks preparation - yes. We therefore needed to act fast to make up for the lost time, this hasn't been done and thats why we may now struggle.

[kpturner]

This thread is called 'The money is not there.. ' I have scanned all posts but can see why its named that? Have I missed something? Has AP said something about avalible funds?

I think that the op expected ap to have spent a small fortune in the transfer market already despite having only been here 5 minutes. The fact that he hasn't must mean that there is no money!!

[Block 5]

Oooh a new fracture.

Everybody line up...... happy clappers on the left...... cynical whingers on the right please.

Bring back the luvvies!

:rolleyes:

[Thedelldays]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.


proper LOL

[Saint Fan CaM]

Oooh a new fracture.

Everybody line up...... happy clappers on the left...... cynical whingers on the right please.

Bring back the luvvies!

:rolleyes:


Err, what about the Ambitious Realists? Thats the party I fall into, as I suspect many others do. There's really no need to be derogatory when trying to argue a point. The big problem for many on here is they cannot debate properly without jumping onto their keyboards in some fit of rage and have a juvenile slanging match. Keep cool - it's only a fans forum. LOL.

PS: For happy clappers, I suggest another tag - the Blind Optimists! LOL

[InvictaSaint]

Top down planning is in progress at SMS. First a new owner; then a new executive team; then a new team manager; then a management support team; next, improve the team. Classic business 'top down' restructure.

We are still within the first month of ML taking over. He has to put right the wrongs of the past, create a new today, and then start on a long term process of building success.

Just because we have not signed every player agents have phoned us about does not mean we have no money. May be the ones offered have not been good enough! AP working top down too here. He has taken a week or two to find out what he has to work with, make some fundamental changes to the fitness levels, systems, etc., resolve some outstanding contract issues with current players, establish exactly what he has available to work with and then start to integrate a few new faces slowly and as required.

This is a 'long haul' job and if they take it in steps we will be all right, if we rush it we might just end up no better off than we used to be under GB with lots of money spent but in the wrong places.

Despite our new owner, our wonderful facilities and great fans (see some above posts and ask if this is the case?) playing catchup in League 1 is not going to be the first choice of many talented players, they will have better options. AP really has to make progress with what he has plus a couple of new older heads to then start to change the perspective of better quality players so that they can see coming here really is a good career move.

If you think this can all be done in three weeks then you need to wake up, forget the coffee (and other drugs), and take a long hard look at the reality! Otherwise I suggest you visit your GP and get some medication because one or two around here are showing clear signs of clinical depression and truly need help.

Possibly the most sensible, rational, intelligent, head-screwed-on-properly post of recent weeks and most certainly the most reasonable explanation of the current situation. Oh for a few more Pandas and fewer drama queens. Nobody minds a good debate - quite the opposite! - but some of the ill-informed hysteria on here at the moment is mind-boggling. We have gone from almost having no club to having a club with a successful owner and a brighter future. Incredible that anybody can find something to complain about in that respect.

[InvictaSaint]

Oooh a new fracture.

Everybody line up...... happy clappers on the left...... cynical whingers on the right please.

Bring back the luvvies!

:rolleyes:

Can we call it a schism? I feel we need some old school religious factions on the forum :-)

[grammy]

Seems like Liebherr Pardew & co have taken the club as far as they can! Time to move on I reckon. Where's Marc Jackson & Peter Reid when you need em
FFS stop moaning!

[S-Clarke]

Top down planning is in progress at SMS. First a new owner; then a new executive team; then a new team manager; then a management support team; next, improve the team. Classic business 'top down' restructure.

We are still within the first month of ML taking over. He has to put right the wrongs of the past, create a new today, and then start on a long term process of building success.

Just because we have not signed every player agents have phoned us about does not mean we have no money. May be the ones offered have not been good enough! AP working top down too here. He has taken a week or two to find out what he has to work with, make some fundamental changes to the fitness levels, systems, etc., resolve some outstanding contract issues with current players, establish exactly what he has available to work with and then start to integrate a few new faces slowly and as required.

This is a 'long haul' job and if they take it in steps we will be all right, if we rush it we might just end up no better off than we used to be under GB with lots of money spent but in the wrong places.

Despite our new owner, our wonderful facilities and great fans (see some above posts and ask if this is the case?) playing catchup in League 1 is not going to be the first choice of many talented players, they will have better options. AP really has to make progress with what he has plus a couple of new older heads to then start to change the perspective of better quality players so that they can see coming here really is a good career move.

If you think this can all be done in three weeks then you need to wake up, forget the coffee (and other drugs), and take a long hard look at the reality! Otherwise I suggest you visit your GP and get some medication because one or two around here are showing clear signs of clinical depression and truly need help.

Brilliant post, 10/10. No one can argue with anything you have put there.

We should make it a sticky and force all the '''the world is ending!!111'' posters to read it over and over again until it actually sinks in.

[Calvin]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.

:lol: damn..

[RedArmy]

If the money wasn't there then surely we'd be bringing in a couple of loanee's?

I think the problem is attracting the players we want, to a league 1 side.

[mattyd]

Jesus Christ. You don't buy a club for near on 15million and let it linger in league 1.

You want a return, you don't get that return in league 1 or being relegated to league 2.

Therefore you HAVE to invest into the team - FACT.

ML is clever and so is Cortese - the liebherr family haven't made their fortune by being idiots.

There is money. Two football league ex managers in the backroom staff with a big name manager. A "generous" offer made to a two bit striker. People need to grow up. We need the right players and not as team of Burley like panic buyes.

[Saintjersey]

Guess your dizzy with the high of being saved and AP as the manager to not see the dilemma?

We are dizzy with being saved from existence have you forgotten that already?

There is no dilemna as have been taken over and still exist, if you want to support a team that splashes money out on exciting players go and support Man City. Otherwise stop f***ing moaning and be happy that we are about to play our first league game next week.

[Winchester_Saint]

We are dizzy with being saved from existence have you forgotten that already?

There is no dilemna as have been taken over and still exist, if you want to support a team that splashes money out on exciting players go and support Man City. Otherwise stop f***ing moaning and be happy that we are about to play our first league game next week.

Can't argue with that. I think people quickly forget that Saints could be dead. Personally I'd rather AP took a bit more time to make sure he got the right players in. Some people on here would rather see the headline 'Saints spend £5million on total flop' just so that they can say oh yes that's proof we have lots of money! If there are decent frees out there, which there are, then they will take priority. Once all the decent freebies are gone then the next stage is to look at contracted players. There's no point in spending lots of cash when there are dozens of freebies up for grabs.

[funkymojo44]

Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Thedelldays]

I'm with this Monkadoo fella. Why do our collective hopes always end up dashed? Why do our dreams always end up in the gutter with the rest of the sh*t? Sometimes after a few too many beers and tamazepam I end up with sick down my trousers and large periods of blackness but I still find this more reassuring than the constant hurt that being a Saints fan brings.

Why?

Why does it have to be like this? I feel lost. Lost in this cruel, cruel world. There are days, rare days, when I wake up and move to the dry side of the bedsit, free from the mould and stench of week old semen, and I sit and look out the window. In those rare moments I feel alive. Alive and happy. And then I remember the minus 10 points. And then I remember that we haven't signed any quality internationals. Where is this money? where are the signings? When I remember this I open the window and I shout. I shout at the people and one time I threw my own sh*t out into the street. Where is the f*cking money Markus? Where is it you freaking tight fisted c*nt?

This season will be hell. It will be dark and it will be hell. I don't see anything good happening. Maybe, one game, when we're losing 4 or 5 nil, the whistle will be blown early so at least the suffering won't be as long. That's about as good as we can hope for.


What an appalling and insulting post.

aaaah, come on..it was funny

[bpsaint]

The weight of expectation around our team from our fans this season is seriously gonna cause a lot of negativity on here. Too many people think that just because we're owned by a billionaire that we have some divine right to be spunking millions on players ala Abramovich just to secure success. We've got the whole of August to sign the right players,which still leaves more than enough time to get a squad with some kind of hope of making the playoffs. Wait until the end of the season before you all start slitting your wrists,just be ****ing happy that we 1. Have a football club and 2. are completely debt free.

[Verbal]

The weight of expectation around our team from our fans this season is seriously gonna cause a lot of negativity on here. Too many people think that just because we're owned by a billionaire that we have some divine right to be spunking millions on players ala Abramovich just to secure success. We've got the whole of August to sign the right players,which still leaves more than enough time to get a squad with some kind of hope of making the playoffs. Wait until the end of the season before you all start slitting your wrists,just be ****ing happy that we 1. Have a football club and 2. are completely debt free.

Or to paraphrase in the words of Arnie, there are way too many girly men on here.

[SO16_Saint]

aaaah, come on..it was funny

and HOW!

[SNSUN]

Or to paraphrase in the words of Arnie, there are way too many girly men on here.

I swear to God these are Moobs and not implants... ahem...

[Glasgow_Saint]

and HOW!

SOHB

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[Third Division South Days]

QPR were taken over sometime ago, apparently by the wealthiest owners of any club, but they are only being considered now as good enough to be promotion contenders. They have invested sensibly and we maybe SFC is being managed the same way.

[Thedelldays]

QPR were taken over sometime ago, apparently by the wealthiest owners of any club, but they are only being considered now as good enough to be promotion contenders. They have invested sensibly and we maybe SFC is being managed the same way.

what do you mean by sensibly?

[Saint Fan CaM]

What a bunch of over-protective, sway with the wind, happy-clapper, flower-waving, give up and hope, pansy smelling, underambitious, women we have on here. Well, if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[Glasgow_Saint]

What a bunch of over-protective, sway with the wind, happy-clapper, flower-waving, give up and hope, pansy smelling, underambitious, women we have on here. Well, if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Don't cross to the dark side. Too many of our fans have become accustomed to 2nd best and only time can repair that.

Think positive, demand the best (always) and keep demanding 100%

[Glasgow_Saint]

QPR were taken over sometime ago, apparently by the wealthiest owners of any club, but they are only being considered now as good enough to be promotion contenders. They have invested sensibly and we maybe SFC is being managed the same way.

What rubbish! QPR have rich owners but they have spent very little, as a result they have done nothing and are now starting the season with there 3rd manager in 14 months - expectation is high, this has not yet been matched by the (I want to own a boutique) club owners.

They wont go up this season unless they spend a lot of money soon - much like us!

[Flyer]

what do you mean by sensibly?

We got several multi million pound deals, did up the stadium and boxes, invested in the structure of the club instead of going out and spending £10m on 2nd rate players.

We were bottom when taken over, then finished 11 last season, now were looking at the playoffs.

Chucking a load of money wont work, getting things right behind the scenes then investing in the team will.

[Glasgow_Saint]

We got several multi million pound deals, did up the stadium and boxes, invested in the structure of the club instead of going out and spending £10m on 2nd rate players.

We were bottom when taken over, then finished 11 last season, now were looking at the playoffs.

Chucking a load of money wont work, getting things right behind the scenes then investing in the team will.

Don't forget the £10k chandeliers in Reception ;)

[madsent]

QPR were taken over sometime ago, apparently by the wealthiest owners of any club, but they are only being considered now as good enough to be promotion contenders. They have invested sensibly and we maybe SFC is being managed the same way.

I don't think they've invested wisely at all. They've made several poor managerial appointments and I haven't seen any evidence that their owners are particularly concerned how the club does. They appear to have bought a club in trendy West London for no other reason that it's a nice place to meet on a Saturday afternoon when there isn't a grand prix on. Apart from an initial burst of spending, they've basically run it as a going concern and they've absolutely fleeced the QPR fans, most of whom have stumpwed up £525 or £599 (the early-bird prices) for their season tickets to watch middle-of-the-table second tier football with a manager who has proven less than impressive at a team that has spent much more money than QPR.

I really cannot see them challenging with the two north-east teams and West Brom the most likely to challenge for automatic promotion. Cardiff and Preston will be strong again and I can see Forest and Derby being much better than last year.

[eurosaint]

I don't think they've invested wisely at all. They've made several poor managerial appointments and I haven't seen any evidence that their owners are particularly concerned how the club does. They appear to have bought a club in trendy West London for no other reason that it's a nice place to meet on a Saturday afternoon when there isn't a grand prix on. Apart from an initial burst of spending, they've basically run it as a going concern and they've absolutely fleeced the QPR fans, most of whom have stumpwed up £525 or £599 (the early-bird prices) for their season tickets to watch middle-of-the-table second tier football with a manager who has proven less than impressive at a team that has spent much more money than QPR.

I really cannot see them challenging with the two north-east teams and West Brom the most likely to challenge for automatic promotion. Cardiff and Preston will be strong again and I can see Forest and Derby being much better than last year.

A good summarry of the QPR situation IMO but I wouldn't want to follow that route !
If we are more like Reading (when Madjeski first took over) that would be a far better example for us !
A solid management team (Pardew, then Coppel) sensible buying (Doyle, Hunt etc..) great football, runaway CCC champions and into the PL, that'll do for me except I don't fancy the relegation that followed 2 years later !!

[Thedelldays]

Then again. We. Could go down the wigan route and buy our way to the prem. Either way, as long as we get there

[egreog]

To many impatient individuals around...........thank god they are not running my business............give the management TIME!!

[Red&White]

Pandas post is spot on ! well put mate ( ess ? ).
Everybody is entitled to their opinion but come on peeps stop being so dramatic about it all. FACT we still have a club to support !.
Let`s get on and enjoy the season it`s going to be an interesting one, Rome wasn`t built in a day !
COYR

[yorkiesaint]

This is all well and good but it is all too easy to brand inactivity as 'sensible building for the long term'. Inactivity, coupled with AP's bemoaning of the lack of scouting, has to lead you to believe that we have few identified targets.

[eurosaint]

This is all well and good but it is all too easy to brand inactivity as 'sensible building for the long term'. Inactivity, coupled with AP's bemoaning of the lack of scouting, has to lead you to believe that we have few identified targets.

I'm sure we have targets and am sure that we'll make signings !
Just let's wait for the flak that flies as threads emerge as to why they are the wrong signings !
I'll put money on the first critical post being within 5 mins of the announcement !

[SNSUN]

Don't cross to the dark side. Too many of our fans have become accustomed to 2nd best and only time can repair that.

Think positive, demand the best (always) and keep demanding 100%

I genuinely think this is one of the biggest problems of some of the negativity of the fans on here. For far too long Southampton FC has been under a cloud, near-successive relegations and poor performances have done nothing to raise a Saints fan's spirit. We've become a bunch of complainers, of bitter, ripped off fans who have paid through the nose to watch tripe. And I applaud those who have. Without them the club would've been gone long ago.

Now however we have a new dawn. It's almost the end of Southampton FC as we knew it, and in its place we have a bright outlook, a well run club with a good young manager and financially stable, but with the same Saints spirit, will to be better, and to top it off we still have Premiership facilities and a decent academy.

The team will come. Sure, it's not perfect, and there is still some question over the more saleable assets of the team, but now is the time to be positive. Support from the fans is key, not because I or anyone else says so, but because we should support the inanimate object in our lives that we love the most. (Except those of you with mansions and sports cars etc!) How relieved were we to find out we'd found a buyer, someone to save the club and prevent us from spending our Saturday's in B&Q because of a lack of excuse to give the missus/partner.

I understand the gloom, but patience is the key. Rome wasn't built in the day, the wars weren't won in a week and even Matt Le Tissier took 16 years to hone his craft. Our time will come, unity is the key.

UTS!



(Rush of blood to the head...)

[Dark Munster]

The liebherr family are far from idiots .... agreed.

And they will want a return for the purchase.

However, they could get a nice return by just giving us an average league 1 wage budget, and creaming money off from a well supported clubs income from pay on the day gates and season ticket sales.

Spending £££ on trasfers is a gamble in football. We've established the liebherr family are not idiots ... so forget the big bucks and hope for some crafty frees and loans.

Even if this were true (which I very much doubt), it doesn't make sense. ML is worth over 2 billion, is in his sixties, and could make more money from finding loose coins behind his sofas than from Saints. The only logical reason for owning Saints is not to make money, but to get the satisfaction of making his club a success.

[St Lightjaw]

Rome wasn't built in a day.


Took about 30 mins from what I saw of the Colosseum when I last visited Italy. It is falling to bits, and not fit to host a football match imho.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by St Lightjaw http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/redbar/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=401699#post401699)
The liebherr family are far from idiots .... agreed.

And they will want a return for the purchase.

However, they could get a nice return by just giving us an average league 1 wage budget, and creaming money off from a well supported clubs income from pay on the day gates and season ticket sales.

Spending £££ on trasfers is a gamble in football. We've established the liebherr family are not idiots ... so forget the big bucks and hope for some crafty frees and loans.

Even if this were true (which I very much doubt), it doesn't make sense. ML is worth over 2 billion, is in his sixties, and could make more money from finding loose coins behind his sofas than from Saints. The only logical reason for owning Saints is not to make money, but to get the satisfaction of making his club a success.

:) You failed to factor in that the master plan revolves around creaming off the income from League 1 against a very low wage bill. How long that's going to take to overcome the capital is unsure, but I just hope one of the grand children buy into it. Could be completely bluggered by promotion?

It's just totally laughable when you hear comments that Saints are a good investment. Does anyone seriously believe that any financial advisor would recommend investing in Saints, it does not come close to Premium bonds. The team will not go anywhere without investment, so I am sure we will get something soon to help us on our way. Liebherrs previous approch in business has been structured and measured, something I expect to be repeated with Saints. I can't see him going out and trying to buy promotion in one hit, but more in it for the long term rather than the short.

What we are seeing with Pardew at Saints, looks similar to Pardew and Reading previously, as the model to be followed. Even with what looked like frugal and canny investment by Madejski over the years, this still left him out of pocket. Madejski realised he never had enough funds to maintain the club at Premier level and tried to find another buyer. Something he could not do even with the club at it's highest in the Premier. And that is without trying to make a profit on the exercise!