Pardew vs WGS

[Legod Third Coming]

Saints 3 Ipswich 3
Fulham 2 Saints 1
Saints 1 Blackburn 2
Derby 1 Saints 0
Saints 1 Charlton 0
Everton 2 Saints 0
Leicester 0 Saints 4
Saints 2 Sunderland 0
United 6 Saints 1
Saints 0 Leeds 1

Strachan's first ten games in charge.

What do you see?

We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points.

Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th).

Does that help any of those reaching for the noose?

Looks to me a lot like our start this season...

Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me ;)

[St Will]

Uh oh, be careful!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Premiership vs L1. Money spent by AP is comparable to GS spending 30 million in the prem.

[alpine_saint]

You can prove anything with statistics, LgTC......

[Legod Third Coming]

Premiership vs L1. Money spent by AP is comparable to GS spending 30 million in the prem.

Not by the standards of the Premiership at the time. Strachan spent a club record 4m on Delap didn't he??

[Genk]

Proves that managers are allowed time and don't need sacking after a small number of games. Clubs that sack managers regularly will fail.

[St Will]

LGTC.....you'll never be able to prove the negative bastards wrong....no matter how right you are!!!

[Rory]

Not by the standards of the Premiership at the time. Strachan spent a club record 4m on Delap didn't he??

No, that was Stuart Gray.:rolleyes:

[Legod Third Coming]

When you actually look through results for that season apart from the odd highlight we were really poor.

We finished on 45 points (in 11th granted). We won 12 fecking games...

But by golly what a season in 2003... the year later.

[Legod Third Coming]

No, that was Stuart Gray.:rolleyes:

Seriously???

[St Will]

When you actually look through results for that season apart from the odd highlight we were really poor.

We finished on 45 points (in 11th granted). We won 12 fecking games...

But by golly what a season in 2003... the year later.

Exactly - I'm really excited about next season. I think we could really dominate.

[RedAndWhite91]

Proves that managers are allowed time and don't need sacking after a small number of games. Clubs that sack managers regularly will fail.

Clubs that sack managers regularly go from the Premiership to League One in the space of about 6 years.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Not by the standards of the Premiership at the time. Strachan spent a club record 4m on Delap didn't he??


before his 1st 10 games?

In WGS 1st 10 games we played United a strong leeds side, everton and Fulham.

In APs 1st 10 games we have played Brentford, stockport, carlisle and Yeovil!

[St Will]

before his 1st 10 games?

In WGS 1st 10 games we played United a strong leeds side, everton and Fulham.

In APs 1st 10 games we have played Brentford, stockport, carlisle and Yeovil!

Yes and with WGS we had premiership players. With AP we have league 1 players.

[Glasgow_Saint]

LGTC.....you'll never be able to prove the negative bastards wrong....no matter how right you are!!!

Do you honestly think he is right? are you for real?

[Legod Third Coming]

before his 1st 10 games?

In WGS 1st 10 games we played United a strong leeds side, everton and Fulham.

In APs 1st 10 games we have played Brentford, stockport, carlisle and Yeovil!

These teams are comparable by standard.

The point is, it was after one year that we started winning under Strachan and had a great season, not nine games. You understand that do you??

[Glasgow_Saint]

Yes and with WGS we had premiership players. With AP we have league 1 players.

L2 players if he carries on his 'magic'

[St Will]

Do you honestly think he is right? are you for real?

Are you for real that you think just cuz we've played Brentford, Stockport et al, that we should be doing better than Strachan's record?! WE'RE NOT A PREMIERSHIP TEAM ANYMORE.

[Glasgow_Saint]

These teams are comparable by standard.

The point is, it was after one year that we started winning under Strachan and had a great season, not nine games. You understand that do you??

didnt we finish top 12 in his 1st season?

[John B]

Clubs that sack managers regularly go from the Premiership to League One in the space of about 6 years.

Are you suggesting that we kept JP Gray or Wigley because I think they were the ones sacked

Hoddle Strachan Redknapp Burley left for Pastures new

Sturrock did not fancy the job and Pearson was too costly possibly

Mind you I agree that stability is a good thing but not that common theses days except at the top clubs

[St Will]

L2 players if he carries on his 'magic'

You've got Rangers and Celtic on your doorstep.....support them if you want a team that wins all the time!

[hectors house]

You can prove anything with statistics, LgTC......

Indeed you can - and tell that to those who keep saying "1 win in 10 is not good enough" without considering the bigger picture.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Are you for real that you think just cuz we've played Brentford, Stockport et al, that we should be doing better than Strachan's record?! WE'RE NOT A PREMIERSHIP TEAM ANYMORE.

Thanks for that! Nobody is slating AP in comparison to GS - that is dumb!

[alpine_saint]

You've got Rangers and Celtic on your doorstep.....support them if you want a team that wins all the time!

Why dont you give it a rest ?

[Glasgow_Saint]

You've got Rangers and Celtic on your doorstep.....support them if you want a team that wins all the time!

golden

[St Will]

Are you for real that you think just cuz we've played Brentford, Stockport et al, that we should be doing better than Strachan's record?! WE'RE NOT A PREMIERSHIP TEAM ANYMORE.

Thanks for that! Nobody is slating AP in comparison to GS - that is dumb!

Well you are, because you're saying that LTGC's statistics aren't valid

[alpine_saint]

Indeed you can - and tell that to those who keep saying "1 win in 10 is not good enough" without considering the bigger picture.

And which picture is that then ?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Why dont you give it a rest ?

The guy is on a wind up - doesnt normally get much attention so is now enjoying his 5 minutes in the spot light.

[St Will]

Why dont you give it a rest ?

Who asked you?

You can go support Rapid Vienna for all I care too - Saints are better off without ya, you contribute nothing to the football club or to this forum.

[Glasgow_Saint]

........

[Legod Third Coming]

didnt we finish top 12 in his 1st season?

We finished 11th. The previous season 15th.

Sadly I can't tell you where we were after 10 games under WGS.

I can tell you he achieved 45 points. The previous season we had 44.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Good post, anyone who believes that sacking Alan Pardew is the answer is ******* insane, If it is your view that Pards should be sacked, you must have been asleep for the past 10 or so years HELLO? WAKEY WAKEY!! IT - DOES - NOT - HELP - THE -SITUATION. This club has been through the wringer, and now the to55ers from the old regime have all moved on, we should learn from their ineptitude, and allow the new regime to manage us the right way, taking as much time as is necessary. What does 5 year plan mean to you fookwits?? To me it means exactly that, FIVE YEARS. Alan Pardew will get it right, but it wont be easy for him with the 'I want it now for nothing' culture.

FFS

Rant over.

[Legod Third Coming]

Are you suggesting that we kept JP Gray or Wigley because I think they were the ones sacked

Hoddle Strachan Redknapp Burley left for Pastures new

Sturrock did not fancy the job and Pearson was too costly possibly

Mind you I agree that stability is a good thing but not that common theses days except at the top clubs

Stability is common where the manager succeeds.

The challenge is to allow the manager the time to determine whether he will or will not succeed.

I think if you anlyse this League, you will find that the top three managers are all in their second season. Parkinson has been at Charlton for what 2/3 season including as assistant to Pardew. Grayson's first games in charge of Leeds helped them miss promotion last season....

[St Will]

Good post, anyone who believes that sacking Alan Pardew is the answer is ******* insane, If it is your view that Pards should be sacked, you must have been asleep for the past 10 or so years HELLO? WAKEY WAKEY!! IT - DOES - NOT - HELP - THE -SITUATION. This club has been through the wringer, and now the to55ers from the old regime have all moved on, we should learn from their ineptitude, and allow the new regime to manage us the right way, taking as much time as is necessary. What does 5 year plan mean to you fookwits?? To me it means exactly that, FIVE YEARS. Alan Pardew will get it right, but it wont be easy for him with the 'I want it now for nothing' culture.

FFS

Rant over.

Wahayy!! Love it. You're going to receive the backlash, but you're absolutely right.

[John B]

Good post, anyone who believes that sacking Alan Pardew is the answer is ******* insane, If it is your view that Pards should be sacked, you must have been asleep for the past 10 or so years HELLO? WAKEY WAKEY!! IT - DOES - NOT - HELP - THE -SITUATION. This club has been through the wringer, and now the to55ers from the old regime have all moved on, we should learn from their ineptitude, and allow the new regime to manage us the right way, taking as much time as is necessary. What does 5 year plan mean to you fookwits?? To me it means exactly that, FIVE YEARS. Alan Pardew will get it right, but it wont be easy for him with the 'I want it now for nothing' culture.

FFS

Rant over.

So why was Pardew sacked at Charlton I wonder

Possibly was not that good

[St Will]

So why was Pardew sacked at Charlton I wonder

Possibly was not that good

Did them a lot of good didn't it....they got relegated.

[alpine_saint]

Good post, anyone who believes that sacking Alan Pardew is the answer is ******* insane, If it is your view that Pards should be sacked, you must have been asleep for the past 10 or so years HELLO? WAKEY WAKEY!! IT - DOES - NOT - HELP - THE -SITUATION. This club has been through the wringer, and now the to55ers from the old regime have all moved on, we should learn from their ineptitude, and allow the new regime to manage us the right way, taking as much time as is necessary. What does 5 year plan mean to you fookwits?? To me it means exactly that, FIVE YEARS. Alan Pardew will get it right, but it wont be easy for him with the 'I want it now for nothing' culture.

FFS

Rant over.

You tell me how the results from the last 10 matches fit the "plan". I am disappointed in you, WA2. After the way we stood side-by-side a couple of years back, its a pity you have resorted to abusing those challenging the "progress" we are making.

Was it really only all about Lowe for you ? :(

[John B]

Did them a lot of good didn't it....they got relegated.

Yes but where are they today after finishing below us last season.

[hectors house]

You can prove anything with statistics, LgTC......


And which picture is that then ?

I'm sure you know. Administration, new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, lost some of our best players from last year (and that from a team that was not very good to start with) and a short pre-season.

[St Will]

Yes but where are they today after finishing below us last season.

And how many of their best players did they manage to keep? Did they go into admin and start on minus 10? Nope, I don't think so. Selective memory to try to prove yourself right.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Did them a lot of good didn't it....they got relegated.

Funny how you've changed so much in a few months - I recall many posts criticizing JP while he was manager and many more criticizing McGoaldrick while he was a player............

You're a wind up!

[alpine_saint]

I'm sure you know. Administration, new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, lost some of our best players from last year (and that from a team that was not very good to start with) and a short pre-season.

Yes, and all of those things have only ever happened to SFC, havent they ???

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[St Will]

You tell me how the results from the last 10 matches fit the "plan". I am disappointed in you, WA2. After the way we stood side-by-side a couple of years back, its a pity you have resorted to abusing those challenging the "progress" we are making.

Was it really only all about Lowe for you ? :(

You're being left behind. Whereas some people have realised we're turning the corner and are starting to be more confident, you're still playing Mr Negative.....what are you going to do?!

[chrisobee]

didnt we finish top 12 in his 1st season?

Blimey, did he last the whole season, staggering.http://www.smileys.me.uk/smileys/Roll_eye/rolleye0007.gif (http://www.smileys.me.uk/)

[alpine_saint]

You're being left behind. Whereas some people have realised we're turning the corner and are starting to be more confident, you're still playing Mr Negative.....what are you going to do?!

I am going to continue to call it as I see it.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I'm sure you know. Administration, new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, lost some of our best players from last year (and that from a team that was not very good to start with) and a short pre-season.

all happened to Leeds a few years back - didnt they then win 12 games from 13?

[St Will]

Funny how you've changed so much in a few months - I recall many posts criticizing JP while he was manager and many more criticizing McGoaldrick while he was a player............

You're a wind up!

Of course....JP didn't have a clue, and McGoldrick was awful! Pardew is new to the club and is a hell of a lot more qualified for the job!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Of course....JP didn't have a clue, and McGoldrick was awful! Pardew is new to the club and is a hell of a lot more qualified for the job!

Thanks for clearing that up - in summary we can critisise but only when you think its ok?

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Wahayy!! Love it. You're going to receive the backlash, but you're absolutely right.

You cannot build a team in ten games - we were pretty much starting from scratch - we are playing quite well and just need a bit more cutting edge - it will come given time....

only one thing, if it is a five year plan why has AP signed a three year contract??? can't work that one out?

[Legod Third Coming]

You cannot build a team in ten games - we were pretty much starting from scratch - we are playing quite well and just need a bit more cutting edge - it will come given time....

only one thing, if it is a five year plan why has AP signed a three year contract??? can't work that one out?

Because they know Mourinho is needed to win the Premiership.

Simples. ;)

[St Will]

I am going to continue to call it as I see it.

Delightful Mr Glass-Half-Empty-Where's-The Nearest-Cliff-Or-Sharpest-Knife-Or-Strongest-Rope....can't wait to read how you "see" our games all the way down there in Austria

[John B]

And how many of their best players did they manage to keep? Did they go into admin and start on minus 10? Nope, I don't think so. Selective memory to try to prove yourself right.

Well if you are happy with one win out of ten and are not worried about the future under Pardew that is OK by me.


But other people are concerned that despite money being spent on the squad to improve it results are not at all good.

Usually it is very difficult to address poor results which proved the case with Pardew at Charlton so there is always the possibility he will fail.


However there is the possibility that things will improve but nothing is certain so lets hope we start winning soon .


With regard to minus 10 Leeds if I remember were in administration on -15 but managed to win lots of games and got to the playoffs

[Glasgow_Saint]

I doubt if St Willey goes to any games

[alpine_saint]

Delightful Mr Glass-Half-Empty-Where's-The Nearest-Cliff-Or-Sharpest-Knife-Or-Strongest-Rope....can't wait to read how you "see" our games all the way down there in Austria

Oh, for heavens sake.............

[St Will]

Well if you are happy with one win out of ten and are not worried about the future under Pardew that is OK by me.


But other people are concerned that despite money being spent on the squad to improve it results are not at all good.

Usually it is very difficult to address poor results which proved the case with Pardew at Charlton so there is always the possibility he will fail.


However there is the possibility that things will improve but nothing is certain so lets hope we start winning soon .


With regard to minus 10 Leeds if I remember were in administration on -15 but managed to win lots of games and got to the playoffs

I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe.

[cynicalsaint]

yes, and all of those things have only ever happened to sfc, havent they ???

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

very gat avatar!

[cynicalsaint]

Oh, for heavens sake.............

muppet. if you had been anywhere near SMS you'd know that we are turning the corner....

[Windmill Arm 2]

You tell me how the results from the last 10 matches fit the "plan". I am disappointed in you, WA2. After the way we stood side-by-side a couple of years back, its a pity you have resorted to abusing those challenging the "progress" we are making.

Was it really only all about Lowe for you ? :(

LOL!!! I dont want to fall out with you darling, those Burley memories I hold close to my heart, oh how we danced the night away when whiskey george finally got the bullett :smt049 But seriously Alps, how is sacking the manager going to help, a new manager would unsettle us further, players would leave, staff would leave, and we would be a laughing stock again. Stability is VITAL, you cant expect to get to your destination if you keep going back to the beginning and starting again. A lot of it was Lowe yes, but most of it was the brainless tactical decisions, Jermaine Wright, and the 'alleged' drunken coaching sessions. Dont let us fall out over this my sweet xx ;)

[St Will]

muppet. if you had been anywhere near SMS you'd know that we are turning the corner....

And that's from CYNICALsaint!!!
:D

[Glasgow_Saint]

I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe.

Can you let us all know when its ok to critisise? ta.

p.s do you ever go to games?

[St Will]

I doubt if St Willey goes to any games

I've been to every single home game, and I'm going again on Saturday. More games than you, that's for sure.

[St Will]

Can you let us all know when its ok to critisise? ta.

p.s do you ever go to games?

Every single home game....how many have you been to this season?

Edit: and Huddersfield away.

[Glasgow_Saint]

LOL!!! I dont want to fall out with you darling, those Burley memories I hold close to my heart, oh how we danced the night away when whiskey george finally got the bullett

Yep we have excelled since Burley left....oh :smt103

[Glasgow_Saint]

Every single home game....how many have you been to this season?

How do you manage this - thought you were a pro golfer? surely pro golfers play golf on a saturday?

[alpine_saint]

I've been to every single home game, and I'm going again on Saturday. More games than you, that's for sure.

That's all its about for you, isnt it ? Bragging rights...

[St Will]

How do you manage this - thought you were a pro golfer? surely pro golfers play golf on a saturday?

My tournaments are generally Monday/Tuesday, or Wednesday/Thursday/Friday, depending on which tour I'm playing on.

HTH

[Glasgow_Saint]

My tournaments are generally Monday/Tuesday, or Wednesday/Thursday/Friday, depending on which tour I'm playing on.

HTH

sure they are

[St Will]

That's all its about for you, isnt it ? Bragging rights...

You are cuckoo!!! At what point do I ever brag about how many games I go to? I was asked if I go to games, so I answered the question. You really are a prat.

[alpine_saint]

You are cuckoo!!! At what point do I ever brag about how many games I go to? I was asked if I go to games, so I answered the question. You really are a prat.

Exhibit A, M'Lud..


More games than you, that's for sure.

[St Will]

sure they are

Lol that's right I'm lying. Ok, whatever you want to believe. I was at East Sussex National this Monday, in a 1 day event. Last week I was at Mentmore playing a 2 day event. The week before, Caversham Heath, the week before that, Studley Wood. All 2 day events on a Monday and Tuesday.

I just made all that up though didn't I!

[St Will]

Exhibit A, M'Lud..

I wasn't bragging, I was answering the question!!! Are you sane?!

[cynicalsaint]

And that's from CYNICALsaint!!!
:D

yep

he's addressed the back four issue

the midfield - hammond is better than this divsion, just needs to find the balance (and based on brizzle thats not a million miles away). front two needs work.

this is a five year (not five minute) plan.

call for pardew's head if you want but who is going to step in and make a real difference?

too much f******* mtv instant gratification mentalitity. if you cant see that things are improving then quite frankly, **** off and support Man U because 99 percent of thr clund in the UK are in the same position

[alpine_saint]

I wasn't bragging, I was answering the question!!! Are you sane?!

Bizarre........

[RedAndWhite91]

Are you suggesting that we kept JP Gray or Wigley because I think they were the ones sacked

Hoddle Strachan Redknapp Burley left for Pastures new

Sturrock did not fancy the job and Pearson was too costly possibly

Mind you I agree that stability is a good thing but not that common theses days except at the top clubs

Sacking Pearson was the wrong choice in my opinion, but yes, stability is a good thing.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Lol that's right I'm lying. Ok, whatever you want to believe. I was at East Sussex National this Monday, in a 1 day event. Last week I was at Mentmore playing a 2 day event. The week before, Caversham Heath, the week before that, Studley Wood. All 2 day events on a Monday and Tuesday.

I just made all that up though didn't I!

How do u manage to post on here on the days you play in tournos? probably do it between shots? or get your caddy to do it?

[St Will]

yep

he's addressed the back four issue

the midfield - hammond is better than this divsion, just needs to find the balance (and based on brizzle thats not a million miles away). Front two needs work.

This is a five year (not five minute) plan.

Call for pardew's head if you want but who is going to step in and make a real difference?

Too much f******* mtv instant gratification mentalitity. If you cant see that things are improving then quite frankly, **** off and support man u because 99 percent of thr clund in the uk are in the same position

praise the lord!!

[St Will]

How do u manage to post on here on the days you play in tournos? probably do it between shots? or get your caddy to do it?

Hotel wi-fi, iPhone/Laptop.....it's amazing down here in England how technology has moved on.....come down sometime and have a look at what Scotland will look like in 20 years time!!

[alpine_saint]

Sacking Pearson was the wrong choice in my opinion, but yes, stability is a good thing.

Stability is not necessarily a good thing. Stability is a means to an end, not the objective itself.

Stability under Stuart Gray would have meant earlier relegation

Further stability under Glenn Hoddle could have taken us to the top 3 in England.

[alpine_saint]

Hotel wi-fi, iPhone/Laptop.....it's amazing down here in England how technology has moved on.....come down sometime and have a look at what Scotland will look like in 20 years time!!

Mods, are you going to do something about this bigot ?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Hotel wi-fi, iPhone/Laptop.....it's amazing down here in England how technology has moved on.....come down sometime and have a look at what Scotland will look like in 20 years time!!

A "pro golfer" that thinks Scotland is 20 years behind england :rolleyes:

[St Will]

Mods, are you going to do something about this bigot ?

Bigot? lol I take it all back, you're actually very amusing - a very dry sense of humour!!

[St Will]

A "pro golfer" that thinks Scotland is 20 years behind the england :rolleyes:

I don't play on the Tartan Tour. (That's not a racist comment by the way, the Scottish National Tour is called the Tartan Tour).

My tournaments are in England and in America sometimes. And next year, France, Spain, Italy and dare I say it......Austria!!! Ahhhh!!!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe.

" 10 games before we start slaughtering teams"?

"it will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe"?


OMG you are now officially the leader of the happy clappies.

[John B]

I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe.

It has already taken four years and we are now in the worst league position since I have been supporting the Saints in almost fifty years.


Blind faith is not in my makeup - your last phrase could have been spoken by a religous zealot

[alpine_saint]

hehehe

[St Will]

It has already taken four years and we are now in the worst league position since I have been supporting the Saints in almost fifty years.


Blind faith is not in my makeup - your last phrase could have been spoken by a religous zealot

LOL I'm about the most non-religious person on this planet. Don't get me started on that one!!

It's been 2 months since the new regime took over. Who care about the last 4 years or 50 years. It's a brand new start. Brand new.

[alpine_saint]

LOL I'm about the most non-religious person on this planet. Don't get me started on that one!!

It's been 2 months since the new regime took over. Who care about the last 4 years or 50 years. It's a brand new start. Brand new.

Carrying on with the same sort of results as before.

[John B]

Stability is not necessarily a good thing. Stability is a means to an end, not the objective itself.

Stability under Stuart Gray would have meant earlier relegation

Further stability under Glenn Hoddle could have taken us to the top 3 in England.


I dont think Stuart Gray was capable of stability never understood why he was appointed as results were poor in the games he was in charge after Hoddle left.


But lets face it there are not many consistently good managers anyway

Apart from Bruce Moyes and possibly Allardyce away from the top teams

[Saint in Paradise]

Further stability under Glenn Hoddle could have taken us to the top 3 in England.


Oh noes, now you will set that Dalek chap off :D:D

[John B]

Carrying on with the same sort of results as before.

We had a new start with Mr Wilde and that nearly worked out until the money ran out

Results were a lot better even with Burley in charge

[alpine_saint]

Oh noes, now you will set that Dalek chap off :D:D

Do you disagree though ?

We were f**king unbeatable at that time.

[Dig Dig]

To all those that want change now, who are you suggesting should come in? And what if whoever came in didn't pick up a win within 6 games say..........would you be calling for their head again!!!???

To change the manager now with only a handful of games with hisplayers would be ridiculous and we would be a laughing stock. What manager would come near us knowing that they have a handful of games to get results?

[sotonjoe]

It doesn't prove anything.

Our start under WGS was cack.

Our start under Pardew has been cack.

Under WGS, our form improved and we were ok in the end.

With Pardew, our form will need to improve if we are to be ok in the end.

It's not rocket science is it?

[trousers]

Saints 3 Ipswich 3
Fulham 2 Saints 1
Saints 1 Blackburn 2
Derby 1 Saints 0
Saints 1 Charlton 0
Everton 2 Saints 0
Leicester 0 Saints 4
Saints 2 Sunderland 0
United 6 Saints 1
Saints 0 Leeds 1

Strachan's first ten games in charge.

What do you see?

We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points.

Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th).

Does that help any of those reaching for the noose?

Looks to me a lot like our start this season...

Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me ;)

http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/770500/770770_f123_625x1000.jpg

[sotonjoe]

:confused:

[alpine_saint]

To all those that want change now, who are you suggesting should come in? And what if whoever came in didn't pick up a win within 6 games say..........would you be calling for their head again!!!???

To change the manager now with only a handful of games with hisplayers would be ridiculous and we would be a laughing stock. What manager would come near us knowing that they have a handful of games to get results?

You can count the number of people who want change now on the fingers of one hand. I am not one of them, but I am worried. However, the number with doubt about whether this set up is going to work and may want change at some unspecified point in the future is slowly increasing.

[david in sweden]

Saints 3 Ipswich 3
Fulham 2 Saints 1
Saints 1 Blackburn 2
Derby 1 Saints 0
Saints 1 Charlton 0
Everton 2 Saints 0
Leicester 0 Saints 4
Saints 2 Sunderland 0
United 6 Saints 1
Saints 0 Leeds 1

Strachan's first ten games in charge.
What do you see? We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points.
Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th).

Does that help any of those reaching for the noose?
Looks to me a lot like our start this season...
Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me ;)


Good post LTC,
As a statistics nerd myself, I agree with your point.
At least we can see that starting over isn't always easy.

I don't have my In that Number to hand, but i bet Lawrie Mc Menemy's first ten weren't much better and we got relegated his first season in charge.

[david in sweden]

No, that was Stuart Gray.:rolleyes:

(Delap)...(SG)... who also bought Anders Svensson at the same time.

Gray got the sack soon after and successive managers played them both " out of their natural positions ",
and they forever felt the anger of fans disappointed at their performances. (!) .and both did infinitely better after they left. :(

[Lord Duckhunter]

Roy Keane has just made the worst start at Ipswich for 40 odd years. The Manager those 40 years ago was in his first season at the Club, his name?

Bobby Robson.

[Andyb1]

Saints 3 Ipswich 3
Fulham 2 Saints 1
Saints 1 Blackburn 2
Derby 1 Saints 0
Saints 1 Charlton 0
Everton 2 Saints 0
Leicester 0 Saints 4
Saints 2 Sunderland 0
United 6 Saints 1
Saints 0 Leeds 1

Strachan's first ten games in charge.

What do you see?

We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points.

Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th).

Does that help any of those reaching for the noose?

Looks to me a lot like our start this season...

Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me ;)

I remember going to see that Derby game, it was horrid. That was the one where Jones was hanging on his bar when as the ball just dropped in.

[Legod Third Coming]

(Delap)...(SG)... who also bought Anders Svensson at the same time.

Gray got the sack soon after and successive managers played them both " out of their natural positions ",
and they forever felt the anger of fans disappointed at their performances. (!) .and both did infinitely better after they left. :(

And there my friend the nail is hit firmly on the head.

If a manager inherits players that he does not really 'want' he ends up ruining them and the team by perennially playing them out of position.

The reality of our situation was a rag-bag of players acquired through different managers with different agendas and tactics, over a ludicrously short period.

No manager gets to buy an entire squad (well Hughes and Mourinho apart) but it is little surprise that those given most time - the Curbishleys at Charlton, the Allerdyces at Bolton, etc do tend to outperform in the long run those who have little time (or at least those with little time on limited rather than unlimited budgets).

It stands to reason doesn't it? It provides the opportunity to manage players into and out of the side and to replace them either through the ranks or through loans and purchases.

What we need like a hole in the head is to create yet another bloated crew of players who aren't selected to any system, tactics or style - just selected by different managers firing into the wilderness...

[Legod Third Coming]

Roy Keane has just made the worst start at Ipswich for 40 odd years. The Manager those 40 years ago was in his first season at the Club, his name?

Bobby Robson.

Which is probably why 606 was fully of tractor boys actually supporting their manager.

Managers are not idiots, they know they are under pressure and that every defeat simply excacerbates the pressure.

What they need - what every new entrant in every job needs anywhere - is the support of those around them and the tools to do the job effectively.

It's not rocket science is it.

[John B]

Which is probably why 606 was fully of tractor boys actually supporting their manager.

Managers are not idiots, they know they are under pressure and that every defeat simply excacerbates the pressure.

What they need - what every new entrant in every job needs anywhere - is the support of those around them and the tools to do the job effectively.

It's not rocket science is it.


Sometimes it is right to sack managers Gray Wigley JP


Sometimes it is not only time will tell


I wont be surprised if we win on Saturday


You are right It's not rocket science

[Legod Third Coming]

Sometimes it is right to sack managers Gray Wigley JP


Sometimes it is not only time will tell


I wont be surprised if we win on Saturday


You are right It's not rocket science

I agree John, but none of the managers you mention should ever have been appointed.

I'll tell you something for nothing John. I bet Phill Brown will be the next manager to be fired - I give it a couple of weeks. The pattern is so predictable...

Good managers don't become bad overnight, they really don't!

And I wonder how much better some of those managers' Directors/Chairmen would be if they simply redoubled their resolve rather than reaching for the revolver!

[slickmick]

These teams are comparable by standard.

The point is, it was after one year that we started winning under Strachan and had a great season, not nine games. You understand that do you??


No they are not. Against teams like Man Utd , Leeds ect they had on paper superior players to us.
This year, on paper we have one of the better teams for this league.

Are you telling me that Swindon and Bristol Rovers have better players than us ?

Saying that, I don't want Pardew sacked, but he no longer has any excuses. Its time he started delivering or else we without doubt will be fighting relegation on the last day again.

[Rasiak-9-]

This threads a bit like saying I'm a better footballer than Wayne Rooney if I score more goals in a season for my amateur club than he does in the Premiership.

[a1ex2001]

This threads a bit like saying I'm a better footballer than Wayne Rooney if I score more goals in a season for my amateur club than he does in the Premiership.

Exactly it's all about the size of fish and the size of pond, in the prem we were always a small fish in a massive pond but now in league one we are the giant fish, as loads have poeple have pointed out we are no longer a prem side but our financial muscle power and fan base make us one of th big boys of this league we should be putting away some of these lesser sides and we are not something is very wrong.

[John B]

I agree John, but none of the managers you mention should ever have been appointed.

I'll tell you something for nothing John. I bet Phill Brown will be the next manager to be fired - I give it a couple of weeks. The pattern is so predictable...

Good managers don't become bad overnight, they really don't!

And I wonder how much better some of those managers' Directors/Chairmen would be if they simply redoubled their resolve rather than reaching for the revolver!

I must admit I dont think there are that many good managers

Of course there are some but they are managers sometimes good sometimes bad .


I am not sure about Brown I dont expect many Hull supporters thought they would still be in the Premiership this season.


But yes somebody will it helped Nottm Forest last season when Davies came in

[Legod Third Coming]

I must admit I dont think there are that many good managers

Of course there are some but they are managers sometimes good sometimes bad .


I am not sure about Brown I dont expect many Hull supporters thought they would still be in the Premiership this season.


But yes somebody will it helped Nottm Forest last season when Davies came in

I actually agree with you 100% on this. My problem is that, as yet, we have no idea whether Pardew is a good manager and painful as it may be, we simply have to allow him the opportunity to show us whether he is good or bad.

And that cannot be 9 games in anyone's book!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

I don’t think anybody is seriously asking for AP to be sacked today - more just venting our frustrations and expressing our disappointment at the points return thus far.

I have seen posts from people saying “give him till xams” and with a similar return (points per game) then yes his tenure should be considered (less than a point a game will see us relegated without the additional handicap of the minus 10.) that’s the reality.

I know that AP was given a minimum points return/target start of the season – I imagine this minimum is 15 points for every 10 games (a win every other game) this minimum return would see us finishing 15th or 16th (based on last 2 seasons leagues and our -10) and should be plausible. So far AP has 9 points from 10 games so needs 21 points from the next 10 games just to meet the ‘minimum’ target.

[John B]

I actually agree with you 100% on this. My problem is that, as yet, we have no idea whether Pardew is a good manager and painful as it may be, we simply have to allow him the opportunity to show us whether he is good or bad.

And that cannot be 9 games in anyone's book!!

I agree with you about Pardew but before I elabrate I would suggest that it would have been a good idea for some one from the club to have said at the beginning of the season it is unlikely that we will be promoted this season because of the points deduction and having to be rebuild ready for next season

I felt the expectations of many on here were way too high an although there is a plan to get to the Premiership in five years there have been no milestones published to guage whether the plan is working.

With regard to Pardew you are right no one knows whether he will succeed but in the short term as long as we beat the teams like Wycombe Leyton Orient etc there is no reason to change managers as it will take time for his team to gel.


However if we are struggling to beat better teams by the end of March that is a different situation.

If we are in a reasonable position then and playing well we should then be with the acquisition of a few quality Championship calibre players be ready to mount a promotion bid next season.

[Toadhall Saint]

all happened to Leeds a few years back - didnt they then win 12 games from 13?

Yep GS they did. Now tell me what league are they in?

[adriansfc]

Saints 3 Ipswich 3
Fulham 2 Saints 1
Saints 1 Blackburn 2
Derby 1 Saints 0
Saints 1 Charlton 0
Everton 2 Saints 0
Leicester 0 Saints 4
Saints 2 Sunderland 0
United 6 Saints 1
Saints 0 Leeds 1

Strachan's first ten games in charge.

What do you see?

We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points.

Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th).

Does that help any of those reaching for the noose?

Looks to me a lot like our start this season...

Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me ;)

I remember Strachan managing us in the Premiership though.

A handful of premiership wins is worth dozens in league 1. I'd have thought we had slightly higher expectations in league 1 than we did in the premiership. But let's not allow another meaningly comparison to slip through our hands.

Pardew hasn't had enough time, that's clear. But that would remain true if Strachan had won all his first 10 games, or lost them all. So why the hell compare?

[SaintRobbie]

Saints 3 Ipswich 3
Fulham 2 Saints 1
Saints 1 Blackburn 2
Derby 1 Saints 0
Saints 1 Charlton 0
Everton 2 Saints 0
Leicester 0 Saints 4
Saints 2 Sunderland 0
United 6 Saints 1
Saints 0 Leeds 1

Strachan's first ten games in charge.

What do you see?

We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points.

Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th).

Does that help any of those reaching for the noose?

Looks to me a lot like our start this season...

Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me ;)

Golden Post nomination.

well said LG3C.

[I remember Paul Rideout!]

I agree with you about Pardew but before I elabrate I would suggest that it would have been a good idea for some one from the club to have said at the beginning of the season it is unlikely that we will be promoted this season because of the points deduction and having to be rebuild ready for next season

I felt the expectations of many on here were way too high an although there is a plan to get to the Premiership in five years there have been no milestones published to guage whether the plan is working.

With regard to Pardew you are right no one knows whether he will succeed but in the short term as long as we beat the teams like Wycombe Leyton Orient etc there is no reason to change managers as it will take time for his team to gel.


However if we are struggling to beat better teams by the end of March that is a different situation.

If we are in a reasonable position then and playing well we should then be with the acquisition of a few quality Championship calibre players be ready to mount a promotion bid next season.

Be serious!
If the club had said this at the beginning of the season or when they took over people would have been up in arms! Also what message does it send the players saying they we would settle for surviving? That sort of attitude breeds complacency, and Pardew has already stated that some of the players came in thinking they were God's gift (or words to that effect) after the win.
Maybe (only maybe mind :o) this will be a good kick up the a*se for the players and make them realise (yet again) they have to fight for points in this division.

I'm sure that Pardew deep down, doesn't consider promotion this season a realistic target but there's no way he should state this either publicly to us and especially not the players. Push them for all they can give and if we fall short then fine but is you aim for sh*te you'll not end up smelling good (apologies for English but not sure best way of putting that)

[I remember Paul Rideout!]

Forgot to say and not sure if posted elsewhere but this made me chuckle:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/portsmouth/article6856798.ece

(would post on a new thread but too cheap to become a member :D)