Does anyone still hate Lowe?

[Guided Missile]

Interesting to read the comments about the Derby and Pompey haters amongst the fanbase and yet the word hate seems to be an acceptable description of the feeling of many about Lowe, a fellow Saints fan....

[Snowballs2]

No no no...Lowe is not a fan ! he is a person with money in the club from a reverse takeover.

[Mole]

A hockey loving West Ham fan whose only love of Saints is the money he can get out of it. Do i hate him with a passion? Too right i do.

[Mr X]

I still hate Lowe but it's time to move on, he will be here for the foreseeable future so we need to get used to it.

[chocco boxo]

hate is a strong word!....but yes I do but not as much as HR.

[buctootim]

The idea of people hating public figures they've never met amuses me.

[ottery st mary]

Just come from a supporters club meeting and this was put to the floor and I have the result of the vote if it helps you GM.
fOUR attended and asked If you Hate Mr Lowe.
Me......Heard of him, but don't care and not my cup of tea.
Wifey....Not heard of him, does not care and asked what position he played.
Daughter 1....Not heard of him and asked, when she could meet Andrew Surman again.Picture on wall etc having met him previously 15 years of age and all that.
Daughter 2...Not heard of him and asked, did he play when we saw Sheff. Utd.Much younger and still wondering if the Police are looking for us for running on pitch after that game.

To be fair that is in truth really only 3 out of four as supporters, but at a guess a fair cross section of the sort of response from most supporters.
Hope to see you at the game GM. By the way you were a half decent player in your younger days but was a long time ago.

[exit2]

The idea of people hating public figures they've never met amuses me.


I have met him on a few occasions and wouldnt say I hate him but I dont like him. I still havent forgiven him for talking about the fa cup final in 76 saying Peter Rodrigues scored the winning goal :)

[trousers]

I hate Tarmac

[slickmick]

No, hate is only a word I'd use in the same sentence of my ex-wife.

[scooby]

No no no...Lowe is not a fan ! he is a person with money in the club from a reverse takeover.

Reverse takeover? Is it still the 1990s? Jesus. When will you people learn to let go. I beg you to not let a class inferiority complex rule your life.

[trousers]

No, hate is only a word I'd use in the same sentence of my ex-wife.

As in: "My ex-wife hates Tarmac" ?

[trousers]

I beg you to not let a class inferiority complex rule your life.

Are class superiority complexes OK ? ;)

[Guided Missile]

By the way you were a half decent player in your younger days but was a long time ago.
47 goals in Senior 1, the season we won it and I turned 40....

Half-decent? I was f***ing magic....

[Hacienda]

I don't hate anybody, life is to short to hate people that you don't even know.

I do, however, hate his involvment with SFC but I also accept that that's not going to change in the near future.

[slickmick]

As in: "My ex-wife hates Tarmac" ?


Lost me there ???

[slickmick]

47 goals in Senior 1, the season we won it and I turned 40....

Half-decent? I was f***ing magic....


Senior 1 ?? Pub team player then.

[St Paul]

I dont hate Lowe as a person, however I hate the people he attracts to this Club. Like that idiot Scooby. I hate the way he divides the fanbase of a Club, that used to pride itself on being a "family" and united together.....

[Gingeletiss]

One word answer, to a five word question.............yes.

[bridge too far]

I hate Tarmac


I just ignore it.

If I ever met Mr Lowe I would disregard him and / or ignore him. I consider him to be inferior.

That would hurt him beyond belief.

I don't HATE anyone.

[Colinjb]

Hate? No. Miss-trusting and sceptical of him? Oh yes!

[Master Bates]

Pianos, I hate pianos.

I have no love or hate towards Lowe so I guess I marmite Lowe.

I hate Pompey with a passion and haven't said their full name in 3 years, even when it comes to the long road in Woolston, I call that Pompey Road.

I dislike Derby, Leeds & Cardiff.

[cambsaint]

As many others have said hate in this context is an immature expression, and I don't hate him.
I do however loathe his involvement with Saints, I blame him totally for relegation and ultimately for the mess we are currently in.
I loathe him for making me lose faith in Saints as long as he is involved, I don't want anything to do with anything he has a hand in.
I wait with increasing desperation for the day when he leaves St Marys never to return.
Cambsaint

[TopGun]

Reverse takeover? Is it still the 1990s? Jesus. When will you people learn to let go. I beg you to not let a class inferiority complex rule your life.

When will you let go of your McMenemy fixation?

[Channon's Sideburns]

Reverse takeover? Is it still the 1990s? Jesus. When will you people learn to let go. I beg you to not let a class inferiority complex rule your life.

It's not a class issue - he's just a ***t.

[Mr X]

Pianos, I hate pianos.

I have no love or hate towards Lowe so I guess I marmite Lowe.

I hate Pompey with a passion and haven't said their full name in 3 years, even when it comes to the long road in Woolston, I call that Pompey Road.

I dislike Derby, Leeds & Cardiff.

Congratulations on the best avatar ever :D

[Saintandy666]

I have no problem with him at all, never had. Quite happy he's in charge and I think he has an interesting set up this year(whether it will succeed or not is anyones guess, but under the circumstances, I think this was the best option to take). Some our best years for ages were while Lowe was in charge, and apart from the last bit of his reign he has a pretty good record financially, on the pitch and other areas of the club. He's the best we are going to get.

[Michelle]

Hate - no.

Dislike with a passion - damn right.

[thelamprey]

I destest Lowe as much as I detest the Skates, in fact more so as Lowe is attached to our body like a tumour

as for still the 90s blah blah

forget history, repeat history

[Mr X]

It's not a class issue - he's just a ***t.

Lowe definitely has a superiority complex though.

[TheSaint75]

Reverse takeover? Is it still the 1990s? Jesus. When will you people learn to let go. I beg you to not let a class inferiority complex rule your life.

You really don't get it do you? It's not a class thing, although it may not help but his lack of ambition and total disregard for the paying loyal fans of SFC.

Shame you paid ur fiver!! Back on the ignore list for haven't got a scooby

[Snowballs2]

Reverse takeover? Is it still the 1990s? Jesus. When will you people learn to let go. I beg you to not let a class inferiority complex rule your life.

I am superior to Lowe in every way as a human being...its not difficult...you will probably realise that I am also a super confident individual that would bow to nobody. Hows your Portsmouth team going to do this season scooby

[Mole]

Guided Misile, you obviously put this thread up a) Because you like the attention and b) Because you plan to follow up your fishing by deriding those who don't share your opinion.

Do you still hate turncoat Wilde (i think he claims to be a fellow Saints fan)?

[SaintDonkey]

Never hated him, met him once before Norwich away in the relegation season and he was perfectly friendly and approachable despite the fact that I'd pigeon holed him as he was walking from his car towards the ground. Always thought he came across as a bit of a **** in the media and like many here I was glad when he was forced out although I can't blame him for relegation. Also like many I'm glad he's back, we've seen the alternative and it's not pretty.

[Master Bates]

Comparing Lowe to a tumour is so uncoth.

Compare him to the back end of Karen Matthews.

[ottery st mary]

Comparing Lowe to a tumour is so uncoth.

Compare him to the back end of Karen Matthews.

My daughters caught me looking at your avatar and made certain noises about my good wife when she gets home ie telling their mother. For the moment I have convinced them that you are a very highly intelligent poster and that someone planted the avatar on you. I don't know how long they will stay convinced as they have asked to look at some of your previous posts.

PS A brilliant avatar by the way EXCELLENT.

[Ponty]

Ambivalence is the word I'd best use.

[mprobert]

Master Bates - you must feel a right tit

[eurosaint]

Having met him a couple of times I found him to be condescending, supercillious and ****y !
A pretty cold and unapproachable character who seemed to 'hold court' rather than involve himself in group discussion !
This is purely a personal view based on (fleeting) experience and I accept that sometimes first impressions can be deceptive !

[eurosaint]

Ambivalence is the word I'd best use.

But only if you spell it correctly !
:)

[Master Bates]

I have convinced them that you are a very highly intelligent poster


Oh so true :)


Master Bates - you must feel a right tit

http://i33.tinypic.com/2z8pzkp.gif

[tiger]

Having met him a couple of times I found him to be condescending, supercillious and ****y !
A pretty cold and unapproachable character who seemed to 'hold court' rather than involve himself in group discussion !
This is purely a personal view based on (fleeting) experience and I accept that sometimes first impressions can be deceptive !

Having also "come accross Mr Lowe" on a couple of occasions I think you are spot on with your analysis and until he goes Saints will never quite be the same for me.

[Ponty]

But only if you spell it correctly !
:)

Huh?

[Fowllyd]

Huh?

Does that count as abuse of your mighty admin powers? :)

[Ponty]

Does that count as abuse of your mighty admin powers? :)
Shhhhh, I think I'm getting away with it ;)

[St Landrew]

Hate..? No, never have. The man has made mistakes, otherwise Saints wouldn't find themselves in their present position. They'ed still be adding to their continuous run in the Top league. Although I don't like to add to the blame culture, I live in it, and so someone has to take the can for dropping out of the Premiership. Clearly, that's Rupert's baby. Time to think of the future though.

[Bourno]

Yes

[Master Bates]

Having also "come across Mr Lowe" on a couple of occasions I think you are spot on with your analysis and until he goes Saints will never quite be the same for me.

Did you clean up both times? What was his reaction?

Must have been priceless!

[costasaint]

Yes, I have always hated the ***** and always will!

[saint-matt]

nothing against him any more to be honest!

[Wes Tender]

Hate is the wrong word. Despise would be more accurate. And that goes for the Quisling Wilde too.

[Kadeem Hardison]

He smells nice. You can't hate someone who smells nice.

[IN MY DAY]

Interesting thread, i'm totally indifferent to R.L. but if any of the haters can put the past on the back burner for the moment. Do any of the haters believe with the situation we are in at present and quiet determined approach R.L. is taking, that he is doing the good job for this club.

[VectisSaint]

Reverse takeover? Is it still the 1990s? Jesus. When will you people learn to let go. I beg you to not let a class inferiority complex rule your life.
Why is it that the only people who ever mention the class thing are the Lowe Luvvies, or Lowe's offspring as in you Scooby. I don't think anyone else ever mentions the class thing. What class is Lowe anyway, he is certainly not "upper class" if such thing still exists outside of the royal family circles? He is new money middle class I guess. But who gives a **** what class he is. Fact is he is an obnoxious, pompous idiot who is a failure when it comes to the financial side of runnig a football club, and who makes many bad decisions that have contributed to where we are now (he also makes some good decisions to be fair).

I do hate Lowe for what he has done to this Club in the past, and to respond to Buctootim, who says I have not met him? In any case why do you have to meet someone to know you dislike them, I never met Attila the Hun, but I know he was quite an unpleasant chap, likewise Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Mugabe and Margaret Thatcher. I clearly don't put these people in the same league as Lowe and don't equate what they did with what a second rate plc chairman does, but I do loathe the fact that he is still connected with this Club. But then again my dislike of Wilde is much stronger even than that of Lowe. And I don't like Crouch much either. I do however have a healthy respect for Andrew Cowen, and I am beginning to warm to Jan Poortvliet.

[Kadeem Hardison]

Apparently he took away free milk for the players at half time.

[manji]

I think the trials and tribulations of Southampton FC are far too complicated for a certain type of fan so it is easy to use Lowe as a scapegoat.
Unfortunately that has degenerated into almost a form of hysteria to the extent that some fans now wish the club to do badly to re-inforce thier prejudices against Lowe.
Very bizzare.

[Hacienda]

I think the trials and tribulations of Southampton FC are far too complicated for a certain type of fan so it is easy to use Lowe as a scapegoat.
Unfortunately that has degenerated into almost a form of hysteria to the extent that some fans now wish the club to do badly to re-inforce thier prejudices against Lowe.
Very bizzare.

And that post isn't a form of hysteria I suppose?

[Snopper]

Hate - no.

Dislike with a passion - damn right.

Michelle has summed it up perfectly.

[NickG]

personally think its a bit pathetic to hate someone you have not met just because his policy on managers and signings is different to you.

Not warmed to him and in different is as far as I would go.

[Roger]

I dont hate anyone but I dont like him at all and will not go to st mary's if he is in charge. I will go every game when he has gone though

[saint lard]

Hate - no.

Dislike with a passion - damn right.

My sentiments also.

[NickG]

why cut off your nose etc?

I would never let who is in a boardroom effect whether I go to a game of not.

I pay to see the players not the directors box

[70's Mike]

why cut off your nose etc?

I would never let who is in a boardroom effect whether I go to a game of not.

I pay to see the players not the directors box

My feelings exactly , so why do i keep coming up with the vision of RL in his training gear.

The man likes to be the center of attention , and because of that even when he does the correct thing, he ruins it with his comments

[puff the magic dragon]

I think the trials and tribulations of Southampton FC are far too complicated for a certain type of fan so it is easy to use Lowe as a scapegoat.
Unfortunately that has degenerated into almost a form of hysteria to the extent that some fans now wish the club to do badly to re-inforce thier prejudices against Lowe.
Very bizzare.

Does this mean you've now forgiven Mike Wilde then *****y?

[NickG]

if that training gear plan spreads and he is in starting 11 then I will understand those staying away because of him rather than just thinking its either excuse or sulking!

[70's Mike]

if that training gear plan spreads and he is in starting 11 then I will understand those staying away because of him rather than just thinking its either excuse or sulking!


I would never stay away BUT i do understand people who do, those of us over 40 never even knew who the directors were and Ted, Lawrie would not have stood for interference

[manji]

Does this mean you've now forgiven Mike Wilde then *****y?
For now.Club first.Personal vendettas second.

[NickG]

I would never stay away BUT i do understand people who do, those of us over 40 never even knew who the directors were and Ted, Lawrie would not have stood for interference

Like you say we never (yes over 40!) knew the boardroom, Lowe is certainly partly to blame for the publicity they now get but its not just a Saints thing.

I would never stay away, and despite trying, just cannot understand anyone who does. Possibly someone like Crouch who has had personal dealings etc -but someone on the terraces? its silly

[miserableoldgit]

I hate Tarmac
Yeah! Me too! What was it with his short-sleeved shirt and tie combo?? Eh??

[Isla Wight]

Hate? - No.......................but I would prefer that he was not chairman of the PLC or had anything to do with the club whatsoever. The day that he leaves the club will be a happy one for me.

[tiger]

Did you clean up both times? What was his reaction?

Must have been priceless!

Perish the thought master Bates - methinks you'd better put those lad's mags to one side.

[tiger]

Interesting thread, i'm totally indifferent to R.L. but if any of the haters can put the past on the back burner for the moment. Do any of the haters believe with the situation we are in at present and quiet determined approach R.L. is taking, that he is doing the good job for this club.

Quiet? Determined? I see no proof of either.

He is quieter than he was before true but then again thats not hard.
Determined to protect his investment - Yes.
Don't be fooled by him, he is slightly barking after all.

[Amesbury Saint]

dont hate him but Lord Lowe = failure

[alpine_saint]

Hate is too strong a word.

I dislike his personality, I think he's been a disaster for the club, and the sooner that his destiny and that of SFC are separated once-and-for-all, the better.

[sadoldgit]

If things go well for the club this season would you still feel the same?

Did you "hate" him at Cardiff at the Cup Final?

At the end of the day the bloke is just someone who runs a football club. I can understand people not liking him but hating someone you have never met is a bit strange.

[sadoldgit]

dont hate him but Lord Lowe = failure


We actually stayed in the Prem for many more years than perhaps we should. We also made the cup final. Failure?

[Redondo Saint]

My feelings exactly , so why do i keep coming up with the vision of RL in his training gear.

The man likes to be the center of attention , and because of that even when he does the correct thing, he ruins it with his comments

I think we can also remember his picture with the squad each season - I don't think any other team in the premier or elsewhere included the chairman in team pics!

However, moving forward we have to hope that RL has learnt from some of these errors....time will tell.

[alpine_saint]

I think we can also remember his picture with the squad each season - I don't think any other team in the premier or elsewhere included the chairman in team pics!

However, moving forward we have to hope that RL has learnt from some of these errors....time will tell.

Is he in this year's team pic ?

[Hacienda]

If things go well for the club this season would you still feel the same?

Yes. I'll still dislike him and want him gone.


Did you "hate" him at Cardiff at the Cup Final?

I've never hated him but I still disliked him and wanted him gone.

[eurosaint]

Shhhhh, I think I'm getting away with it ;)
:)
You corrected that you cheeky b#gger just to make me look a prat !
Clear abuse of power !!
:)

[mattyd]

Hate is the wrong word, I don't hate him but want a man the shareholders would have sacked for his incompetence removed from the club he takes a huge wage which it can't afford from! Who else gets reappointed after a record of incompetence

[saintwarwick]

Hate is too strong a word.

I dislike his personality, I think he's been a disaster for the club, and the sooner that his destiny and that of SFC are separated once-and-for-all, the better.

Disaster? Nine of his ten years in the premiership, an FA cup final appearance, european football, SMS, you call that disaster.

[alpine_saint]

Disaster? Nine of his ten years in the premiership, an FA cup final appearance, european football, SMS, you call that disaster.

Do Leeds fans regard Peter Ridsdale as a disaster ?

[aintforever]

Disaster? Nine of his ten years in the premiership, an FA cup final appearance, european football, SMS, you call that disaster.

We fluked our way to a cup final with a run of easy fixtures, just like Millwall did, got ****ed, qualified for Europe through the back door and got dumped out in the first round.

As for the prem years, Lowe inherited an established Prem club and left us an established Championship club.

[CB Fry]

Do Leeds fans regard Peter Ridsdale as a disaster ?


Yes they do. But there's a million miles between what Ridsdale did to Leeds and what Lowe "did" to Saints. A million, billion miles.

The morons in the fanbase do like to get all over excited pretending that Lowe "destroyed" "wrecked" "ripped the soul out of" the club and all the rest of it, and get nice jolly stiffys making out we have suffered more than any set of fans in the history of sport and are some super club who have fallen further than anyone could possibly ever comprehend, but it's just utter, utter b o llocks.

But guess what - middle sized, medium city club gets relegated from the top division.

Big, stonking, wow.

Just us and about 25 other clubs of similar size in the past thirty years then. Almost all of which have suffered more than us in the same timescale.

We are not the only club ever to be relegated.

Get over it you old woman.

:rolleyes:

[alpine_saint]

As for the prem years, Lowe inherited an established Prem club and left us an established Championship club.

LOL. Cutting, and to the point.

[alpine_saint]

Yes they do. But there's a million miles between what Ridsdale did to Leeds and what Lowe "did" to Saints. A million, billion miles.

The morons in the fanbase do like to get all over excited pretending that Lowe "destroyed" "wrecked" "ripped the soul out of" the club and all the rest of it, and get nice jolly stiffys making out we have suffered more than any set of fans in the history of sport and are some super club who have fallen further than anyone could possibly ever comprehend, but it's just utter, utter b o llocks.

But guess what - middle sized, medium city club gets relegated from the top division.

Big, stonking, wow.

Just us and about 25 other clubs of similar size in the past thirty years then. Almost all of which have suffered more than us in the same timescale.

We are not the only club ever to be relegated.

Get over it you old woman.

:rolleyes:

So you consider 10 management teams in as many years as conducive to maintaining a position in an increasingly competeitive league ? How many of these other teams you cite had to put up with as much executive incompetence ?

[buctootim]

So you consider 10 management teams in as many years as conducive to maintaining a position in an increasingly competeitive league ? How many of these other teams you cite had to put up with as much executive incompetence ?

What difference does it make? The end result is the same. Coventry, Leicester, WBA, Sunderland, Leeds, Charlton, Notts Forest, Birmingham. All the teams we used to battle against in the prem also got relegated. Only those clubs with a sugar daddy and or massive support have gained.

The idea that bad things happening to you is all someones fault belongs in the playground.

[alpine_saint]

What difference does it make? The end result is the same. Coventry, Leicester, WBA, Sunderland, Leeds, Charlton, Notts Forest, Birmingham. All the teams we used to battle against in the prem are down here with us. Only those clubs with a sugar daddy and or massive support have gained.

It makes all the difference !! CB is saying that it is par-for-the-course, and its nothing special that it happened to us. I am saying that's nonsense, it wouldnt have happened without Lowe's helping hand.

[buctootim]

It makes all the difference !! CB is saying that it is par-for-the-course, and its nothing special that it happened to us. I am saying that's nonsense, it wouldnt have happened without Lowe's helping hand.

So how come pretty much all comparable sized teams also got relegated? By your reckoning we should be the only ones who suffered because we alone had such a terrible, terrible man in charge.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

So you consider 10 management teams in as many years as conducive to maintaining a position in an increasingly competeitive league ? How many of these other teams you cite had to put up with as much executive incompetence ?

Now, that is a good statement/question.

[saintwarwick]

We fluked our way to a cup final with a run of easy fixtures, just like Millwall did, got ****ed, qualified for Europe through the back door and got dumped out in the first round.

As for the prem years, Lowe inherited an established Prem club and left us an established Championship club.

There's no such thing as a fluke in the FA cup and no fixture is easy especially a lower league team. As for the premier years, are we the only team to have got relegated? You really need to cheer up as well you miserable person.

[alpine_saint]

So how come pretty much all comparable sized teams also got relegated? By your reckoning we should be the only ones who suffered because we alone had such a terrible, terrible man in charge.

No, my point (as you well know, I suspect), is that we suffered unnecessarily. I have never said we have suffered worse, or that we had some divine right not to be put in that position.

[saintwarwick]

It makes all the difference !! CB is saying that it is par-for-the-course, and its nothing special that it happened to us. I am saying that's nonsense, it wouldnt have happened without Lowe's helping hand.

I suppose Lowe was at fault when we got relegated in 1974.

[alpine_saint]

I suppose Lowe was at fault when we got relegated in 1974.

Erm, I seem to recall he wasnt Chairman and CEO at that time.

Your comments seem to be getting more odd by the day...

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I suppose Lowe was at fault when we got relegated in 1974.

Maybe but i don`t think he had a clue who we were until he made his
money via the reverse takeover.

[Charlie Wayman]

Short memories seem to afflict soccer supporters in South Hampshire. Is this the same Rupert Lowe who once declared to fans that our opinions were of not the slightest interest to him? Or was that a different Rupert Lowe? Is this the same Rupert Lowe who declared that Saints didn't need fans like Richard Chorley, who - hate him or love him - surely would die for the cause of Saints before most of us and long before Rupert Lowe would even dare put his head above the parapet?

It's not a question of hate. Of course one cannot hate a person you have not met. It's a question of despair, I despair of Rupert Lowe and his maniacal quest for control of Saints, and his policies that exclude any of the values that this club and we fans once held dear.

[saintwarwick]

Erm, I seem to recall he wasnt Chairman and CEO at that time.

Your comments seem to be getting more odd by the day...

It was a bit of sarcasm, obviously missed on your part.

[buctootim]

No, my point (as you well know, I suspect), is that we suffered unnecessarily. I have never said we have suffered worse, or that we had some divine right not to be put in that position.

My point, as I suspect you also know, is that your assertion that it was Lowe's unique mismanagement that did for us only holds true if comparable teams had a different outcome. They didnt, they got relegated as well. Ergo something much bigger and wider than the 'Lowe effect' affected us - ie the rise of the rich mans plaything club.

The long and the short of it is that no-one chose us to be the beneficiary vehicle for them to flaunt ostentatiously just how rich and powerful they were. If they had we would be in Pompey's position. Having Lowe in charge had zero effect - except arguably staying up for one or two more years than we would otherwise have done.

[Redondo Saint]

No, my point (as you well know, I suspect), is that we suffered unnecessarily. I have never said we have suffered worse, or that we had some divine right not to be put in that position.

Come off it, if we had one manager in 10 yrs there would always be the chance of relegation.
RL made mistakes in managers no doubt, but relegation was not down to him alone.

If we had less managerial upheaval this would have helped our chances to avoid the drop, no better than that in my opinion.

Anyway, let's all move on shall we?

[alpine_saint]

My point, as I suspect you also know, is that your assertion that it was Lowe's unique mismanagement that did for us only holds true if comparable teams had a different outcome. They didnt, they got relegated as well. Ergo something much bigger and wider than the 'Lowe effect' affected us - ie the rise of the rich mans plaything club.



I've read this thru a few times now, and on reflection see what you are driving at, but cannot agree.

I could list a number of events that lead to our downfall, but I am sure you know them as well as I.

Maybe other clubs chairmen made their own brand of f**k-ups too, and the supporters of those clubs think they are tossers too? Personally, I dont care either way - I support Saints.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Just as a slight side issue as we are talking about Lowe`s managerial
errors on a couple of posts.

How long will it be if the dutchmen mess up before Mr Hockaday
(is that his name) steps up to the plate in Gray/Wigley style?

[alpine_saint]

Just as a slight side issue as we are talking about Lowe`s managerial
errors on a couple of posts.

How long will it be if the dutchmen mess up before Mr Hockaday
(is that his name) steps up to the plate in Gray/Wigley style?

Ouch. That's a goodie...

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Ouch. That's a goodie...

I await the flack!!

[buctootim]

I've read this thru a few times now, and on reflection see what you are driving at, but cannot agree.

I could list a number of events that lead to our downfall, but I am sure you know them as well as I.

Maybe other clubs chairmen made their own brand of f**k-ups too, and the supporters of those clubs think they are tossers too? Personally, I dont care either way - I support Saints.

The same has happened in all kinds of sport in many countries. The days of the gallant little teams competing at the top level through their own resources has gone unfortunately. Money dictates league tables in most sports - from Formula 1 to American Football and beyond.

[CB Fry]

So you consider 10 management teams in as many years as conducive to maintaining a position in an increasingly competeitive league ? How many of these other teams you cite had to put up with as much executive incompetence ?


How about all of them? From Coventry to Bradford, from Sheffield Wednesday to Leicester, from QPR, Crystal Palace, Sheffield United to Derby County, Forest and Ipswich. Sheffield Wednesday were saddled with "executive incompetence" that saw 92 football fans lose their lives, but hey, Lowe spent money on a South American striker, so that's loads worse :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's only small minded fools that think Saints are the centre of the universe that think we are somehow special because we got relegated. Once.

Well, we're not.

[Redondo Saint]

you can also include Sunderland.

It is only since a new consortium came in 2 yrs ago that they have been in the ascendancy.

[Redondo Saint]

Why is it that the only people who ever mention the class thing are the Lowe Luvvies, or Lowe's offspring as in you Scooby. I don't think anyone else ever mentions the class thing. What class is Lowe anyway, he is certainly not "upper class" if such thing still exists outside of the royal family circles? He is new money middle class I guess. But who gives a **** what class he is. Fact is he is an obnoxious, pompous idiot who is a failure when it comes to the financial side of runnig a football club, and who makes many bad decisions that have contributed to where we are now (he also makes some good decisions to be fair).

I do hate Lowe for what he has done to this Club in the past, and to respond to Buctootim, who says I have not met him? In any case why do you have to meet someone to know you dislike them, I never met Attila the Hun, but I know he was quite an unpleasant chap, likewise Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Mugabe and Margaret Thatcher. I clearly don't put these people in the same league as Lowe and don't equate what they did with what a second rate plc chairman does, but I do loathe the fact that he is still connected with this Club. But then again my dislike of Wilde is much stronger even than that of Lowe. And I don't like Crouch much either. I do however have a healthy respect for Andrew Cowen, and I am beginning to warm to Jan Poortvliet.

You have completely fallen in to the trap that Scooby has set!
However you clearly wrong to suggest only pro Lowe mention the 'class' thing.

I also think you have major issues and a complete lack of historical knowledge if you consider Margaret Thatcher in the same light as Hitler, Hussein and Mugabe.

Maybe you should support a club based on your love of the Chairman?
Shame Tony Blair doesn't have more time eh? ;)

[alpine_saint]

How about all of them? From Coventry to Bradford, from Sheffield Wednesday to Leicester, from QPR, Crystal Palace, Sheffield United to Derby County, Forest and Ipswich. Sheffield Wednesday were saddled with "executive incompetence" that saw 92 football fans lose their lives, but hey, Lowe spent money on a South American striker, so that's loads worse :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's only small minded fools that think Saints are the centre of the universe that think we are somehow special because we got relegated. Once.

Well, we're not.

My god, what is this drivel ? Those fans lost their lives because of West Yorkshire Police, not because of SWFC.

I used to consider you an eloquent, if somewhat disagreeable poster. Not any more.

[Professor]

I dont hate anyone but I dont like him at all and will not go to st mary's if he is in charge. I will go every game when he has gone though
Not a Saints fan then, so why bother with the Forum....

[Professor]

I think the trials and tribulations of Southampton FC are far too complicated for a certain type of fan so it is easy to use Lowe as a scapegoat.
Unfortunately that has degenerated into almost a form of hysteria to the extent that some fans now wish the club to do badly to re-inforce thier prejudices against Lowe.
Very bizzare.
Bizarre is a fair way to describe the anti-Lowe phenonomen. It is worthy of academic research if any research funding became available. The need for easy answers is very common but some other aspects appear to touch on the darker side of human nature. Some people express their 'dislike' in general terms, others look for a justifiable reason, and some 'invent' reasons, but without evidencial support. It does look like a psychiatrical condition, perhaps with an element of 'mob' mentatilty but it will fade for many people if the team do well as the need for a scapegoat will be less demanding.

[Wes Tender]

Bizarre is a fair way to describe the anti-Lowe phenonomen. It is worthy of academic research if any research funding became available. The need for easy answers is very common but some other aspects appear to touch on the darker side of human nature. Some people express their 'dislike' in general terms, others look for a justifiable reason, and some 'invent' reasons, but without evidencial support. It does look like a psychiatrical condition, perhaps with an element of 'mob' mentatilty but it will fade for many people if the team do well as the need for a scapegoat will be less demanding.

What a load of tosh. Worthy of academic research? Are you trying to make us believe that you are an academic and perhaps it is something you are capable of doing if you had the money by way of a grant? One thing is certain, if you were a professor, then I'd have to worry about the state of education in this country, as often your thought processes are full of holes.

If you knew anything about psychiatry, you'd know that the behaviour patterns expressed by the fans of this club are entirely normal and commensurate with those of most other clubs in our position and in most sports where there are tribal elements and in any event, there has been plenty of academic research into these phenomena already and I doubt that you or anybody else could bring up any fresh data peculiar to our position here.

The only thing that you've said that is reasonable is that the dislike felt towards Lowe and indeed Wilde, will fade following a string of good results. That does not mean that people will change to liking them, but they will attract less hostile reaction as long as there is a discernible improvement in our fortunes.

[corsacar saint]

I dislike the man with a passion. Not one ounce of humility in his body. The man is pompous, arrogant and aloof.

[buctootim]

I dislike the man with a passion. Not one ounce of humility in his body. The man is pompous, arrogant and aloof. IMO of course, not that I've ever met him. But I have read the Echo and know we got relegated coz Lowe fluffed the penalty or something, so I must be right about what hes like. Stands to reason.
...

[Victor]

You have completely fallen in to the trap that Scooby has set!
However you clearly wrong to suggest only pro Lowe mention the 'class' thing.

I also think you have major issues and a complete lack of historical knowledge if you consider Margaret Thatcher in the same light as Hitler, Hussein and Mugabe.

Maybe you should support a club based on your love of the Chairman?
Shame Tony Blair doesn't have more time eh? ;)

You have misread the post, are being illogical or just blindly abusive, or something, but VectisSaint did not actually say he viewed his named villains in the same light - he merely pointed out that he did not need to meet any of them to know he disliked them.

You have the problem.

[CHILLIN]

Despite scooby being on his knees wherever Lowe goes, I dont hate Lowe so much anymore. I honestly think he is doing the best for the club when it is in a very bad situation. He has taken a risk with the youth policy but I can agree that it is a risk worth taking. I dont think we could save or make money with Crouch and Co at the helm. If dreams came true, the whole lot would be out and Richard Branson would be investing +£50 million tomorrow. Reality bites and all fans can do is support the effort made by club.

COYR

[offix]

Bizarre is a fair way to describe the anti-Lowe phenonomen. It is worthy of academic research if any research funding became available. The need for easy answers is very common but some other aspects appear to touch on the darker side of human nature. Some people express their 'dislike' in general terms, others look for a justifiable reason, and some 'invent' reasons, but without evidencial support. It does look like a psychiatrical condition, perhaps with an element of 'mob' mentatilty but it will fade for many people if the team do well as the need for a scapegoat will be less demanding.

I bought you a T-shirt:
http://a675.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/l_27b457162704e591cc57590853058dfa.jpg

[Redondo Saint]

You have misread the post, are being illogical or just blindly abusive, or something, but VectisSaint did not actually say he viewed his named villains in the same light - he merely pointed out that he did not need to meet any of them to know he disliked them.

You have the problem.

Nope, have not misread the post, been illogical or blindly abusive.

"I never met Attila the Hun, but I know he was quite an unpleasant chap, likewise Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Mugabe and Margaret Thatcher. I clearly don't put these people in the same league as Lowe and don't equate what they did with what a second rate plc chairman does"

As an Englishman I take offence to including MT in the same sentence as the others, even if used to illustrate someone's point. MT had those that were for her and against her, but she was never an unelected dictator.

[horanator]

The idea of people hating public figures they've never met amuses me.

Over analysis of throw away, over exaggerated phrases amuses me.

[Redondo Saint]

sometimes there are consequences in making throw away lines.

[ottery st mary]

I think Maggie could have played better than some of our powder puffs of recent years.
I also think the use of the handbag could be a useful addition to some of our players armoury.. oops didn't mean to mention those sort of things.no offence meant.

[CB Fry]

How about all of them? From Coventry to Bradford, from Sheffield Wednesday to Leicester, from QPR, Crystal Palace, Sheffield United to Derby County, Forest and Ipswich. Sheffield Wednesday were saddled with "executive incompetence" that saw 92 football fans lose their lives, but hey, Lowe spent money on a South American striker, so that's loads worse :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's only small minded fools that think Saints are the centre of the universe that think we are somehow special because we got relegated. Once.

Well, we're not.


My god, what is this drivel ? Those fans lost their lives because of West Yorkshire Police, not because of SWFC.

I used to consider you an eloquent, if somewhat disagreeable poster. Not any more.


So its drivel to suggest the horribly contentious idea that other football clubs in the UK have suffered at the hands of shocking mismanagement by their executives? Is it really?

It's drivel to suggest that maybe, just maybe, the fans of every other football club in the UK aren't cheering the decisions of their chairmen and chief executives from the rooftops?

Is that drivel, or is the ****e you spout about how how hard done by we are and how we have suffered at the hands of britains most evillest man, like, ever, day in day out drivel? I f uc k ing wonder....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

As for Hillsborough. Try reading up on it before you accuse me of drivel. There are plenty of things the club could and should have done long before the disaster, and things the club are to blame for. Go and tell me about the ground's safety certificate and how up to date it was. Tell me about the crush barriers. Tell me about the registered capacities, and what those capacities should have been. Tell me about the barriers, exits and safety routes in place. Tell me if that is the responsibility of the Police or the responsibility of the executive of the club. Do you know about any of that? Do you f uc k.

Get over yourself and go and learn something before you start accusing me of drivel.

Anyone who reads your broken record on here has a pretty good grasp of what drivel is.

[scooby]

I dont hate anyone but I dont like him at all and will not go to st mary's if he is in charge. I will go every game when he has gone though

You are not a fan and are not welcome at the ground.

[Hacienda]

I am not a fan.

I've corrected it for you.

[kipstryker]

You are not a fan and are not welcome at the ground.

Why?

[Windmill Arm 2]

Interesting to read the comments about the Derby and Pompey haters amongst the fanbase and yet the word hate seems to be an acceptable description of the feeling of many about Lowe, a fellow Saints fan....

Done to death.

[Windmill Arm 2]

The idea of people hating public figures they've never met amuses me.

Yeah, I'm Sure Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein were wonderfull people.

[Wes Tender]

You are not a fan and are not welcome at the ground.

I've met Roger and he is a fan, Scabby. And as he will go to some away matches, I suspect that will mean that he goes to more Saints matches than you, making him a better fan than you by your twisted logic.

[Professor]

You are not a fan and are not welcome at the ground.
I often agree with much of what you say, and people who stay away from a club's matches because of who holds the shares or is on the board are far short of being real supporters, but its not up to any of us to tell anyone else that they are not welcome at the ground. On the contrary, SFC needs as many people in the ground as possible, regardless of where they stand on the Lowe issue, as long as they don't create a negative atmosphere by verbal abuse.

[Hacienda]

I often agree with much of what you say, and people who stay away from a club's matches because of who holds the shares or is on the board are far short of being real supporters, but its not up to any of us to tell anyone else that they are not welcome at the ground. On the contrary, SFC needs as many people in the ground as possible, regardless of where they stand on the Lowe issue, as long as they don't create a negative atmosphere by verbal abuse.

Have you been to a game yet this season?

[Guided Missile]

Yeah, I'm Sure Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein were wonderfull people.
So......you're suggesting that the reason you hate Lowe, despite never meeting him, is justified by the fact that you hate Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein, despite never meeting them.

It thus follows that you equate Lowe with Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein.

You need help or you will never thrive in normal society...

[Professor]

Have you been to a game yet this season?Pre-season West Ham. Why? Whats the relevance? Or are you offering to pay for me on Saturday?

[Guided Missile]

Pre-season West Ham. Why? Whats the relevance? Or are you offering to pay for me on Saturday?
I'd not enter into a "better fan than you" competition with Hacienda, if I was you, Prof. He goes to all Saints away games and no home games, despite being a Villa fan.

[wightman35]

I read somehere the comment, "Hatred does more damage to the hater than it does to the hated." Any Brum fan looking in to this thread must be laughing at the thought their team will have an easy win against a team with a very divided "fanbase" so the atmosphere is not going to be hostile to them. The Brum official site quotes a confident McLeash as saying he expects a win on Saturday. Our emotions and efforts ought to be on doing our best to help the players and manager give the Blues a rude awakening and a blue feeling on their way back North!

[Hacienda]

Pre-season West Ham. Why? Whats the relevance? Or are you offering to pay for me on Saturday?

Well some of the "lesser" fans that you refer to, who won't go to SMS this season with Lowe at the helm, have already been to 1 league game and 1 fizzy pop game (not me I hasten to add) as well as a number of the pre-season games.

I'd suggest your "not real supporters" are actually better supporters to you if you're going to judge them on whether they attend games or not.

Views on Lowe and methods of support may vary but I believe that underneath, we are all SFC fans.

[Hacienda]

drivel

New messageboard, new season, same tedious, small minded GM.

[Windmill Arm 2]

So......you're suggesting that the reason you hate Lowe, despite never meeting him, is justified by the fact that you hate Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein, despite never meeting them.

It thus follows that you equate Lowe with Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein.

You need help or you will never thrive in normal society...

Where does it say I HATE LOWE?

[saintwarwick]

Yeah, I'm Sure Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein were wonderfull people.

If you are putting Lowe in the same bracket as these evil people then your tanky brain must be working overtime.

[rocknrollman no2]

I dont hate Lowe,because ive never met him.
But i hate what he stands for at Saints......failure and selling what ever talent we have left at the first oportunity,rather than trying to get us back into the Premiership.

[Guided Missile]

Where does it say I HATE LOWE?



The idea of people hating public figures they've never met amuses me.Yeah, I'm Sure Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein were wonderfull people
Read the above carefully, wipe the dribble from your chin and then read it again.
I was taking a wild guess that you were trying to justify hating people you have never met and this thread was about hating Lowe.
Then again, it was probably a random set of keystrokes, as you were trying to access the "Re-integration into society for ex-squaddies" self-help website....

[saintwarwick]

I dont hate Lowe,because ive never met him.
But i hate what he stands for at Saints......failure and selling what ever talent we have left at the first oportunity,rather than trying to get us back into the Premiership.

And what if he has been told to cut costs by the bank which means we have to sell/loan out our high earners? I'm sure if Crouch was still in charge the exact same would be happening.

[saintwarwick]

Read the above carefully, wipe the dribble from your chin and then read it again.
I was taking a wild guess that you were trying to justify hating people you have never met and this thread was about hating Lowe.
Then again, it was probably a random set of keystrokes, as you were trying to access the "Re-integration into society for ex-squaddies" self-help website....

Excuse me I'm an ex squaddie.

[Professor]

I dont hate Lowe,because ive never met him.
But i hate what he stands for at Saints......failure and selling what ever talent we have left at the first oportunity,rather than trying to get us back into the Premiership.
What is the evidence of the club voluntarily selling young talent?
Walcott was sold reluctantly because he could have walked out and gone to Tribunal which would have set a lower fee. Bale was sold after Lowe was no longer on the Board. Fact is no club can hold on to players who can see big money elsewhere and who decide they want to move on.

[Guided Missile]

Excuse me I'm an ex squaddie.
....and you seem to have re-integrated very successfully...

[rocknrollman no2]

I think its a bit rich that Lowe is telling us that costs have to be cut and hes the only man who can do it,when hes one of the main reasons we are in this mess.
What Lowe should have done was to try to cut our cloth accordingly in our first relegated season,but instead we had SCW and we let a lot of our players go for next to nothing,eventhough some of the same players were later sold on for decent money.
Lowe only came back here for his own reasons,nothing to do with Saints.

[Mole1]

I often agree with much of what you say, and people who stay away from a club's matches because of who holds the shares or is on the board are far short of being real supporters, but its not up to any of us to tell anyone else that they are not welcome at the ground. On the contrary, SFC needs as many people in the ground as possible, regardless of where they stand on the Lowe issue, as long as they don't create a negative atmosphere by verbal abuse.

I'd hardly call booing Lowe a negative attitude.

[cambsaint]

Scooby:
I cannot accept that the hundreds or probably thousands of fans who consider Lowe's mis-management of the club that undoubtedly led to our relegation as execrable, incompetent and laughable, and as a result are antipathetic towards him are so because we are all working class; this is clearly an asinine statement.

Professor:
Your quasi-erudite and specious argument that the strong emotions that Lowe has engendered in many fans is bizarre doesn't bear serious analysis.

While I am perfectly prepared to believe that several fans may dislike him because of his class and money, most if not all Chairman have greater resources than Lowe and many are liked.

The Cobbolds at Ipswich were not dissimilar to Lowe in background but well liked by Ipswich supporters, the old Saints board pre-Lowe were certainly not working class but not disliked, the majority of the Arsenal board are strictly old school tie and aren't disliked.

Perhaps the fact that he clearly has no empathy with football at all and viewed it as a way to get rich quick and become a minor celebrity has more to do with their feelings.

However the fact is that after relegation due to Lowe's football mis-management and the financial recklessness under Wilde, and the laisser-faire policy of Crouch the club is now in very severe financial difficulties. The most amazing fact is that a majority of the shareholders actually have confidence in the ability of the two men most responsible for the club's present position to rescue them from financial meltdown.

No the logical reason for the antipathy that Lowe has created is due partly to his gross incompetence post 2004 leading to relegation and his courting of the publicity that his brief period of success under Strachan gave him.

It probably doesn't help either that he turns up to football matches in garb more suited to a point to point or polo meeting and manages to provide a cartoon-like charicature of a 'Pythonesque' upper class twit.

Cambsaint

[sadoldgit]

I dont hate Lowe,because ive never met him.
But i hate what he stands for at Saints......failure and selling what ever talent we have left at the first oportunity,rather than trying to get us back into the Premiership.


Not really entirely true is it?

[tiger]

I read with interest on another thread written by a fan who met JP at Exeter that even Poortvliet is worried Lowe will sell some of our youngsters behind his back. Doesn't sound like a healthy relationship to me.

[Wes Tender]

Quote:Originally Posted by buctootim

The idea of people hating public figures they've never met amuses me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Windmill Arm 2

Yeah, I'm Sure Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, Charlie Manson, and the late Saddam Hussein were wonderfull people
Originally Posted by Windmill Arm 2


:Where does it say I HATE LOWE?
Quote Misguided Missile:

Read the above carefully, wipe the dribble from your chin and then read it again.
I was taking a wild guess that you were trying to justify hating people you have never met and this thread was about hating Lowe.
Then again, it was probably a random set of keystrokes, as you were trying to access the "Re-integration into society for ex-squaddies" self-help website....

Yes, exactly; a wild guess. Definitely a misguided missile and far wide of the mark, having no substance enabling any reasonably intelligent person to make the leap of reasoning that you did. You must be slipping. A bad case of two and two making five in your mind.

[broncoboy]

I have met Rupert Lowe and I hate him ( well strongly dislike on the basis that he is an arrogant **** who never admits he is wrong and who only seeks what is good for him rather then the club)

[Windmill Arm 2]

Read the above carefully, wipe the dribble from your chin and then read it again.
I was taking a wild guess that you were trying to justify hating people you have never met and this thread was about hating Lowe.
Then again, it was probably a random set of keystrokes, as you were trying to access the "Re-integration into society for ex-squaddies" self-help website....

GM you really are an arse. I pity you.

[Snowballs2]

I have had the missfortune to meet Lowe a number of times and yes I still hate the guy.

[Joesaint]

No not me. Don't know him personally.