Rasiak to Watford

[Master Bates]

Rasiak to join Watford in 24hrs, oo'er :(

[tiger]

Fairly inevitable I guess but for Watford to have more cash to splash than us you realise just how far we have fallen. If John goes (he has been told he can go if a club matches his wages) we will be very lightweight upfront.

[slickmick]

Loan or sell ? How much ?

[John B]

Fairly inevitable I guess but for Watford to have more cash to splash than us you realise just how far we have fallen. If John goes (he has been told he can go if a club matches his wages) we will be very lightweight upfront.

Watford sold a defender recently for £4million

[Ian the Red]

Rasiak not so much of a loss but John would be a great loss if Tiger is right

[labibs]

Watford have parachute payments as well and sold Henderson / let Ellington go out on loan, freeing up wages etc...

I expect Greg will go on loan initially, maybe up until Christmas? He should score a few and then we can get a fee for him. A shame, I still think he is a player who has a lot to offer in this league, but definitely makes financial sense.

[trousers]

Rasiak to join Watford in 24hrs, oo'er :(

Source? Ta

[Saint Martini]

I'm not so sure John is one of the main candidates for a transfer. He played in the cup and it looks like he's a main part of Jan's plans. With Saga and Rasiak gone (assuming MB is right) I think we've offloaded enough strikers and pretty much only Skacel and Euell are the ones we really want to get rid off.

[madruss]

I'm not so sure John is one of the main candidates for a transfer. He played in the cup and it looks like he's a main part of Jan's plans. With Saga and Rasiak gone (assuming MB is right) I think we've offloaded enough strikers and pretty much only Skacel and Euell are the ones we really want to get rid off.

Agreed. John's hold up play is far superior to Rasiak's and he will therefore be able to contibute a lot more to the team, given the new formation.

Anyone can see we can't afford both Rasiak and John, and if we can hold on to SJ we could do well this season

[dubai_phil]

I'm not so sure John is one of the main candidates for a transfer. He played in the cup and it looks like he's a main part of Jan's plans. With Saga and Rasiak gone (assuming MB is right) I think we've offloaded enough strikers and pretty much only Skacel and Euell are the ones we really want to get rid off.

But pretty sure that the maths is

At least ONE of Skacel, Euell & anyone else. So if we DON'T move those two out we start to have to find the money elsewhere.

We have to choose, think we should all be out there trying to sell JE & RS tbh

[Johnny Shearer]

If he goes on loan to Watford they wont buy at all. It'll be like the Bolton situation. They'll take him, use him and just give him back at a later date.

I suppose it will get his wages of our books.

Saints will have to keep hold of John though.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Noooooo

[Saint Martini]

If he goes on loan to Watford they wont buy at all. It'll be like the Bolton situation. They'll take him, use him and just give him back at a later date.

I suppose it will get his wages of our books.

Saints will have to keep hold of John though.

We got some cash for the Rasiak loan deal as well, so if that's what Watford are going to do fine with me. We would have him off our books, he'll play matches in the CCC so he'll be in the shop window and we get a bit off cash.

[Master Bates]

Source? Ta

Silly question indeed

[SaintDonkey]

This rumour was about yesterday as well - isn't the pupported 24 hours up yet?

[dubai_phil]

Silly question indeed

It was a bloke in a pub at lunchtime who'd just flown in from Cern in Switzerland wasn't it

:-)

[ottery st mary]

The Watford Manager said Striker signed by Friday.

[Saint Klaus I]

http://www.rivals.net/news/pgarticle.aspx?artid=13602_3981620&id=74

[Master Bates]

It was a bloke in a pub at lunchtime who'd just flown in from Cern in Switzerland wasn't it

:-)

Nah, BUT looks like someone has a link.

[Saint Martini]

The Watford Manager said Striker signed by Friday.

Friday? O'RLY?

[dubai_phil]

Nah, BUT looks like someone has a link.

ah ha
so you told him as it was rumoured on a thread on here and he posted it as you are an impeccable source and then you posted his posting of your posting

Wonder if he posted the first post of the post chain of posts
:-)
arrghhh

head explodes,

but tbh seems pretty sensible and likely

[DT]

He's a funny one, Rasiak. For someone who scores so many goals he sure looks like someone who can't. I suspect he's got a bit of an attitude, and he looks like he runs in treacle, half the time. And yet he always seems to pop up with important goals. Like the one he'll get for Watford against us. Still, if we can get good money, I say tata.

[Master Bates]

ah ha
so you told him as it was rumoured on a thread on here and he posted it as you are an impeccable source and then you posted his posting of your posting

Wonder if he posted the first post of the post chain of posts
:-)
arrghhh

head explodes,

but tbh seems pretty sensible and likely

No conspiracy here, unless Roswell pops up.

[egreog]

Good move for him and better move for Saints...........will give Watford some much needed pace up front!! lol

[RMoo2]

He is signing on loan for Watford. My brother works for them and is down here sorting it out. We will get a loan fee and of course they will cover his wages, option to buy when loan is finished.

[ottery st mary]

Friday? O'RLY?

Yes Siree the same day as our takeover, allegedly.

[trousers]

Good move for him and better move for Saints

Not if his overall season performances secure Watford a promotion spot at our expense.....that would cost us £60m....

[buctootim]

Not if his overall season performances secure Watford a promotion spot at our expense.....that would cost us £60m....

a) loan him out, see him score to keep us from promotion and lose £60m.
b) keep him, have to pay £750,000 in wages and go bankrupt.

[SaintDonkey]

Well if he does go to Watford on loan at we should be able to negotiate it so he can't play against us in October. Hopefully by then he'll have established himself as the focal point of Watford's signature 'hoof it up to the big man' style and they'll flounder without him handing us an easy victory.

Then by the time December comes Saints will be financially secure after sell outs at every match and Greg can come back, force his way back into the Saints side by February and score a hattrick against Watford at Vicarage Road :)

[AlfredKo]

Well if he does go to Watford on loan at we should be able to negotiate it so he can't play against us in October. Hopefully by then he'll have established himself as the focal point of Watford's signature 'hoof it up to the big man' style and they'll flounder without him handing us an easy victory.

Then by the time December comes Saints will be financially secure after sell outs at every match and Greg can come back, force his way back into the Saints side by February and score a hattrick against Watford at Vicarage Road :)

Plus Saganowski can come back from Denmark, if we keep a good shape in the first half of this season, I am sure the second half of the season will be fairly easy.

[trousers]

a) loan him out, see him score to keep us from promotion and lose £60m.
b) keep him, have to pay £750,000 in wages and go bankrupt.

Is the answer (a) ?

[buctootim]

Is the answer (a) ?

I'll let you know in May.

[ozzmeister]

How long is Rasiaks contract. If it is a six month loan then after that period (and Rasiak only has one year left) could Watford simply sign him on bosmans free?

[Rebel]

it's a bit of a surprise he's joining Watford really if its true as he not exactly going to fit their long ball 'hoof it' style

he may move about a bit - but he's slow doing it and he's not exactly dominant in the air either is he - or aggressive enough to lead their line

although immobile I would have thought John would have suited their style better (although I still expect him to end up at Stoke or Hull on loan once they realise they can't sign anyone else)

then again he's not great in the air either!

[Danny R]

Watford do like to use wingers like Tommy Smith who can deliver into the right areas for Grzg to be deadly.

[JustMike]

Rasiak not so much of a loss but John would be a great loss if Tiger is right

i disagree, Rasiak will score goals in this division as he has proven in the past.

[Danny R]

Watford do like to use wingers like Tommy Smith who can deliver into the right areas for Grzg to be deadly.

Also, if he is still 95-1 to be the Championship top scorer, it is well worth a tenner.

[ottery st mary]

I have heard that Watford are converting to TOTAL football, a Dutch method apparently.

[alpine_saint]

Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run.

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.

T**t.

[Stu Man Do]

He is signing on loan for Watford. My brother works for them and is down here sorting it out. We will get a loan fee and of course they will cover his wages, option to buy when loan is finished.

Does this mean he will be unable to play against us during his loan period?

[PokingFun]

Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run.

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.

T**t.

FFS Alpine calm down - Rasiak has not played for us properly for over 18 months..

[tommi]

Also, if he is still 95-1 to be the Championship top scorer, it is well worth a tenner.

My thoughts exactly - I just had £10 at 55/1....

[John B]

Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run.

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.

T**t.


I think that rant is slightly over the top.

Rasiak has hardly played for us in the last year and in the present financial climate it seems a good deal to me.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Rasiak leaving would probably be the least surprising development of the summer - we just can't afford him I'm sorry to say . With Saganowski and Rasiak gone (if true) it should go without saying that Stern John must now stay unless replaced by a proven CCC quality striker .
David McGoldrick has made a very promising start to the season but IMO we cannot prudently rely on him or BWP to score enough goals to keep us up this season .

[SB]

Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run.

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.

T**t.

The **** is you..

I've never knocked Rasiak, nobody can argue with his score ratio?

But his heart isn’t at the club, and his ££ is another issue which IS important..

If he had passion and desirer to play for Southampton then maybe I'd agree with what you said, but until he shows that he'd like to stay, then selling him is the best option for both sides.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

The **** is you..

I've never knocked Rasiak, nobody can argue with his score ratio?

But his heart isn’t at the club, and his ££ is another issue which IS important..

If he had passion and desirer to play for Southampton then maybe I'd agree with what you said, but until he shows that he'd like to stay, then selling him is the best option for both sides.

Do you know him then? another poster making assumptions about a players desire to play for Saints or leave? he might love it at Saints and want to stay or might have been frozen out to balance the books and cut the wage bill.

If he does go i'd say good luck to him. I will never forget his late goal at Derby in the play off semi. Saints probably don't have another player on their books who could have scored that goal on the night.

[saintwarwick]

Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run.

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.

T**t.

So you understand this part, this is the reason we have to unload him. As for Mcgoaldrick being sold at xmas if he keeps his scoring going you really are talking sh1te again.

[saintwarwick]

Do you know him then? another poster making assumptions about a players desire to play for Saints or leave? he might love it at Saints and want to stay or might have been frozen out to balance the books and cut the wage bill.

If he does go i'd say good luck to him. I will never forget his late goal at Derby in the play off semi. Saints probably don't have another player on their books who could have scored that goal on the night.

Stern John.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Stern John.
Rasiak is a better finisher IMO.

[Ludwig]

I told you all this ages ago. :rolleyes:

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=6169&postcount=3

A week ago today, in fact.

[Ludwig]

Well if he does go to Watford on loan at we should be able to negotiate it so he can't play against us in October. Hopefully by then he'll have established himself as the focal point of Watford's signature 'hoof it up to the big man' style and they'll flounder without him handing us an easy victory.
:)

They're adapting their style and by all accounts played decent football (no hoofball really) and outplayed Palace last Saturday. They don't have decent enough players to pull it off though IMO, but Rasiak is a welcome addition to them.

[derry]

Well if he does go to Watford on loan at we should be able to negotiate it so he can't play against us in October. Hopefully by then he'll have established himself as the focal point of Watford's signature 'hoof it up to the big man' style and they'll flounder without him handing us an easy victory.

Then by the time December comes Saints will be financially secure after sell outs at every match and Greg can come back, force his way back into the Saints side by February and score a hattrick against Watford at Vicarage Road :)

We have to have it in the loan agreement to prevent him playing against us. ( Lucketti could have played v SUtd but didn't)

[Johnny Shearer]

We have to have it in the loan agreement to prevent him playing against us. ( Lucketti could have played v SUtd but didn't)

But this is Saints, so we wont!

[Master Bates]

I told you all this ages ago. :rolleyes:

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=6169&postcount=3

A week ago today, in fact.

Told us what?

By the way, did you know Rasiak's going on loan to Watford?

[alpine_saint]

So you understand this part, this is the reason we have to unload him. As for Mcgoaldrick being sold at xmas if he keeps his scoring going you really are talking sh1te again.

Two points :

What are you and your mate Lowe going to do when all the high-earners are gone and the club is still losing shiitloads per month, especially as attendances have dropped due to poor results ?

Regards to point 1, are you really trying to claim that any young player that has clubs sniffing around him will not be sold at the most opportune moment, and that if McGoldrick scores 10 more times between now and Xmas, this will not especially be the case for him ?

Do you know what I dont get ? The complete dishonesty with which certain posters argue a point on here, just to get up the nose of a fellow poster who they have taken a dislike to. In my opinion, anyone who does not receive news of our best players being sold with a wave of anger is no fan of SFC - SMS is just a "scene" for them where they must go each match in order to feel socially adequate and connected.

[Professor]

Rasiak to join Watford in 24hrs, oo'er :(
At last! What a relief that someone has taken one of the offers from the shop window.

Makes it more likely John will not be sold.

Need to put Rudi in the middle of the window now with a large 'BARGAIN' sign on him, or maybe a BOGOF offer with Euell.

[saintwarwick]

Rasiak is a better finisher IMO.

I think they are both very similar imo with John having the slightly better scoring ratio:

John 19 goals in 34 starts (+5 sub appearances)
Rasiak 33 goals in 68 starts (+16 sub appearances)

What we do need is to keep either, so if Rasiak joins Watford then John needs to stay.

[Hacienda]

Rasiak is a better finisher IMO.

He is, he just doesn't fit the style of play that SFC are aiming at.

[alpine_saint]

I think that rant is slightly over the top.

Rasiak has hardly played for us in the last year and in the present financial climate it seems a good deal to me.

FFS, when are some of the fans going to take the issue of the complete mismanagement of players out of the equation ?

We had enough talent to get promoted in 2006-2007 and if we had addressed the CB issue last summer properly, we could have got promoted last season as well.

We have well and truly ****ed it up against the wall thanks to Burley, Dodd, Gorman and crap board-room behaviour. Anyone who claims the likes of Rasiak and Saga have no further contribution to make to this club are talking complete ********.

[Hacienda]

In my opinion, anyone who does not receive news of our best players being sold with a wave of anger is no fan of SFC - SMS is just a "scene" for them where they must go each match in order to feel socially adequate and connected.

You really do trot out some serious pony.

[alpine_saint]

He is, he just doesn't fit the style of play that SFC are aiming at.

A style of play that will change 180degrees again in 3 months when Lowe realises his latest experiment has failed and changes the management.

[alpine_saint]

You really do trot out some serious pony.

No, I dont - how many times was it posted last season "dont care about the football anymore, I go to drink with me mates" or suchlike ?

[dubai_phil]

it's a bit of a surprise he's joining Watford really if its true as he not exactly going to fit their long ball 'hoof it' style

he may move about a bit - but he's slow doing it and he's not exactly dominant in the air either is he - or aggressive enough to lead their line

although immobile I would have thought John would have suited their style better (although I still expect him to end up at Stoke or Hull on loan once they realise they can't sign anyone else)

then again he's not great in the air either!

Oi! Stop it - someone from Watford may be reading this and the deal may not go through so we'll end up having to sell SJ & Davies instead.

:-)

[Hacienda]

No, I dont

Yes, you do.

You spout ******s as if it was gospel and anything decent you may post is lost in the remaining pony.

[SB]

No, I dont - how many times was it posted last season "dont care about the football anymore, I go to drink with me mates" or suchlike ?

Stu, Stu, and..Umm, Stu.

[alpine_saint]

Yes, you do.

You spout ******s as if it was gospel and anything decent you may post is lost in the remaining pony.

You dont have to read it.

[Hacienda]

A style of play that will change 180degrees again in 3 months when Lowe realises his latest experiment has failed and changes the management.


And if Lowe's gamble actually pays off?

But no, a tedious, boring troll like yourself couldn't bring yourself to actually think that it might work.

[Hacienda]

You dont have to read it.

Well as you pollute every thread will your ill informed ******s it's hard not to.

Hopefully you'll get banned quickly and then it's job done.

[dubai_phil]

FFS, when are some of the fans going to take the issue of the complete mismanagement of players out of the equation ?

We had enough talent to get promoted in 2006-2007 and if we had addressed the CB issue last summer properly, we could have got promoted last season as well.

We have well and truly ****ed it up against the wall thanks to Burley, Dodd, Gorman and crap board-room behaviour. Anyone who claims the likes of Rasiak and Saga have no further contribution to make to this club are talking complete ********.

Actually you are right. The problem is when your house is on fire you don't have much say about where the water comes from to put it out.

I'm totally with you on the I want to keep them all line and I also have said it is a hell of a gamble that we are taking. I also like you worry IF we'll earn enough to stay afloat until January and I also worry that we may have to release more cash in January.

But right now, if I had to choose, then it is SJ over GR, AS over RS & Ad over JE. And if we are putting the fire out with our only hope then what does it really matter. If the fire isn't put out we don't need our only hope. If we do put it out then maybe we'll find new hope.

Whatever, the minute Crouch didn't cut costs we were storing up trouble and the minute the Ex Execs allowed themselves to be walked over on the purchases last season we were in trouble and the minute Lowe walked in and didn't take us to the next level we were in trouble.

So trouble's our middle name.

ho hum

[Ludwig]

Well as you pollute every thread will your ill informed ******s it's hard not to.

Hopefully you'll get banned quickly and then it's job done.

Is it just me that finds this post hilarious?

[Hacienda]

Is it just me that finds this post hilarious?

Run along little boy.

[trousers]

No, I dont - how many times was it posted last season "dont care about the football anymore, I go to drink with me mates" or suchlike ?

I'm not sure about the exact figures (although I've got the accurate records stored away somewhere, obviously) but I recall that being posted far less than the number of times that people felt the need to post about yet another apathetic Rasiak performance.

True story.:)

[ExSt Peter Saint]

FFS why does every thread have to degenerate like this. Everyone knows Rasiak is going. He would have played more of a part in games so far if JP thought he was worth integrating into the team. He's a goal-hanging lazy striker who doesn't suit our style. I think he's too much of a luxury, but if John had gone, I would be livid that we sold both. I think we have some good young players, but am not too optimistic we will finish high up the table. Therefore, selling or loaning Rasiak is highly unlikely to cost us promotion. I don't know his feelings, but if he was really desperate to play, he wouldn't have gone to Bolton last season.

[Guided Missile]

What are you and your mate Lowe going to do when all the high-earners are gone and the club is still losing shiitloads per month, especially as attendances have dropped due to poor results ?
Buy tickets to home games and avail ourselves of the excellent catering facilities at St. Marys, while you're doing the dishes and worrying about your neighbour's extensive cellar, to be exact...

[saintwarwick]

Two points :

1) What are you and your mate Lowe going to do when all the high-earners are gone and the club is still losing shiitloads per month, especially as attendances have dropped due to poor results ?

2) Regards to point 1, are you really trying to claim that any young player that has clubs sniffing around him will not be sold at the most opportune moment, and that if McGoldrick scores 10 more times between now and Xmas, this will not especially be the case for him ?

3) Do you know what I dont get ? The complete dishonesty with which certain posters argue a point on here, just to get up the nose of a fellow poster who they have taken a dislike to.

4) In my opinion, anyone who does not receive news of our best players being sold with a wave of anger is no fan of SFC - SMS is just a "scene" for them where they must go each match in order to feel socially adequate and connected.

1) Lowe is not my mate but I do understand the financial constraints of our club. Perhaps you should understand that the bank are probably calling the shots and not blame Lowe for everything that is happening when in fact we have been told to cut costs, ie shutting corners of the statium, no free bus tickets, offload high earners.

2) If we do have to sell it will be because of point one as above, ie finances. However I cannot see that happening until the seasons end at the earliest and only if he turns out to be a goal scoring machine.

3) Do you know what I don't get? The complete dishonesty of certain posters who argue a point on here blaming Lowe on everything that is happening at the club without looking at the full picture and without looking at the fact that other things may be the reason we have to carry things we don't like, ie offload high earners to reduce costs.

4) Like any fan I don't like our players leaving, certainly the valued ones but we have always been a selling club and this will not change as long as we keep finding the talent. The ONLY time this will change is when the talent dries up or we find a sugar daddy that allows us to buy any player in the world. I will treat the 'no fan of SFC' as a blinkered remark from one very (always) angry fellow fan.

[saintwarwick]

buying tickets to home games and availing ourselves of the excellent catering facilities at st. Marys, while you're doing the dishes and worrying about your neighbour's extensive cellar, to be exact...

lmfao.

[Minsk]

At last! What a relief that someone has taken one of the offers from the shop window.

Makes it more likely John will not be sold.

Need to put Rudi in the middle of the window now with a large 'BARGAIN' sign on him, or maybe a BOGOF offer with Euell.

Personally I hate to see any decent Saints player leave the club, but I am not going to get upset about the departure of Rasiak. We all knew it was going to happen so the only real surprise is that it has taken this long. I just hope he can score the goals (for Watford) to assist our cause, no matter which end of the table we end up at.

As others have said, we now definitely have to keep Stern John and hope that DMG doesn't loose his scoring boots.

As for the others in the shop window, I would not be disappointed if Thomas, Euell or even BWP were also to leave but I am keeping everything crossed that Rudi and Kelvin will still be at SMS come September 1st. I am pretty sure that Jan would like them to stay as well (and also think this to be true of Euell and BWP, if truth be told).

As Jan clearly stated at the fan's forum, he has bveen told not to use certain players until after the transfer window closes, but if they are still here after that time he can integrate them into the team as and when he sees fit/they are needed. I certainly feel that having Rudi in our team could be the difference between a top half finish or struggling near the bottom again.

[alpine_saint]

On what is this utterly misguided assumption that "Rasiak going means Stern is staying" based ?

[buctootim]

Personally I hate to see any decent Saints player leave the club, but I am not going to get upset about the departure of Rasiak. We all knew it was going to happen so the only real surprise is that it has taken this long. I just hope he can score the goals (for Watford) to assist our cause, no matter which end of the table we end up at.

As others have said, we now definitely have to keep Stern John and hope that DMG doesn't loose his scoring boots.

As for the others in the shop window, I would not be disappointed if Thomas, Euell or even BWP were also to leave but I am keeping everything crossed that Rudi and Kelvin will still be at SMS come September 1st. I am pretty sure that Jan would like them to stay as well (and also think this to be true of Euell and BWP, if truth be told).

As Jan clearly stated at the fan's forum, he has been told not to use certain players until after the transfer window closes, but if they are still here after that time he can integrate them into the team as and when he sees fit/they are needed. I certainly feel that having Rudi in our team could be the difference between a top half finish or struggling near the bottom again.

Agree with part of that. We must keep John and Davis. Quite happy to see Skacel go TBH and would also let Euell go, though I cant see anyone matching his wages.

[saintwarwick]

On what is this utterly misguided assumption that "Rasiak going means Stern is staying" based ?

Who said Stern is staying?

[RMoo2]

Done deal will be anounced tomorrow. He can't play against us.

[NickG]

Who said Stern is staying?

who says he is going?

[buctootim]

who says he is going?

Exactly. Rasiak, Skacel, and Saga werent used and they have gone. John played on Tuesday and may start against Birmingham. The implication is that he will stay since we have offloaded Saga and Rasiak. No-one seriously thinks we could play a whole season with just McGoldrick and Lallana.

[Third Division South Days]

Even when the selling transfer window closes end of the month can't loan deals carry on until the end of september?

[alpine_saint]

No-one seriously thinks we could play a whole season with just McGoldrick and Lallana.

You reckon ?

[aintforever]

Lose Rasiak and John and our chances of staying up go from small to zero.

And despite what the wanna-be accountants on here say, it makes zero financial sense to condem the team to relegation, no matter how many 1000's you save on wages. Finishing bottom with nicely balanced books is way worse financially than finishing 4th bottom in debt.

[alpine_saint]

Lose Rasiak and John and our chances of staying up go from small to zero.

And despite what the wanna-be accountants on here say, it makes zero financial sense to condem the team to relegation, no matter how many 1000's you save on wages. Finishing bottom with nicely balanced books is way worse financially than finishing 4th bottom in debt.

Well said.

[Andy Durman]

Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run.

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.

T**t.

Alpine your post just shows how little you really know about football. Rasiak does not fit the style and system of football will have chosen to play, Accept it and move on.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine your post just shows how little you really know about football. Rasiak does not fit the style and system of football will have chosen to play, Accept it and move on.

Seeing as the style and system will be out of the window - once it either becomes apparent its not competitive in this division or that we dont have the players to do it well enough, and we will need to revert back to something else but wont have the players to do that either - I am afraid I cannot "accept it and move on"

[Saint Charlie]

FFS, the quality of this forum has dropped significantly since Alpine came back.

(Not saying its directly your fault but its certainly true and its ****ing me off)

[alpine_saint]

FFS, the quality of this forum has dropped significantly since Alpine came back.

(Not syaing its directly your fault but its certainly true and its ****ing me off)

Why has it dropped ?

Should the forum be full of a succession of posts saying "Come on you Reds" ?

I dont understand the outrage and aggression with which critical posts are responded to - do you ?

[Saint Charlie]

Why has it dropped ?

Should the forum be full of a succession of posts saying "Come on you Reds" ?

I dont understand the outrage and aggression with which critical posts are responded to - do you ?

Maybe it should, fan is short for fanatic afterall. Certainly better than an endless stream of negative drivel. Constructive points are fine but sometimes people just argue points to people they know will disagree and its so antagonistic and meanwhile the proper worthwhile debate gets pushed aside.

If Saints, the Manager, Chairman and other fans are so clueless then ask yourself what you have in common with them and why you bother supporting them.

[RoswellSaint]

FFS, the quality of this forum has dropped significantly since Alpine came back.

(Not saying its directly your fault but its certainly true and its ****ing me off)

Actually seems to have got better - had got slightly boring, people were even clamouring for the return of Tommac, LLS or the like.

Its good to have someone challenge the accepted wisdom, so to speak. I don't agree with all Alpine says, sometimes, maybe, he goes over the top but what's wrong with that?

We are taking a huge gamble this season, maybe it will work, maybe it won't, getting the balance right is very, very difficult. There are promising signs but it could all go horribly wrong. Unfortunately we have to offload a number of the high earners, some deserve to go more than others. I refrain from commenting on individuals because I haven't been fortunate to see any of them play.

From what people say, Rasiak seems no great loss. To get rid of Rasiak and John would seem foolhardy, so lets hope it doesn't happen and we can keep the losses (financial) under control.

[alpine_saint]

Maybe it should, fan is short for fanatic afterall. Certainly better than an endless stream of negative drivel. Constructive points are fine but sometimes people just argue points to people they know will disagree and its so antagonistic and meanwhile the proper worthwhile debate gets pushed aside.

If Saints, the Manager, Chairman and other fans are so clueless then ask yourself what you have in common with them and why you bother supporting them.

How revealing.

I support Southampton Football Club because I like football and I come from Southampton. It's not exactly rocket science. As for the rest of your rant, if you dont understand that I and others have grave concerns about the direction of the club on what is clearly the very last throw of the dice, then I cant help you, sorry.

[RoswellSaint]

No conspiracy here, unless Roswell pops up.

I popped up but see no conspiracy, so back to work for me.:D

[madruss]

Actually seems to have got better - had got slightly boring, people were even clamouring for the return of Tommac, LLS or the like.

Its good to have someone challenge the accepted wisdom, so to speak. I don't agree with all Alpine says, sometimes, maybe, he goes over the top but what's wrong with that?

We are taking a huge gamble this season, maybe it will work, maybe it won't, getting the balance right is very, very difficult. There are promising signs but it could all go horribly wrong. Unfortunately we have to offload a number of the high earners, some deserve to go more than others. I refrain from commenting on individuals because I haven't been fortunate to see any of them play.

From what people say, Rasiak seems no great loss. To get rid of Rasiak and John would seem foolhardy, so lets hope it doesn't happen and we can keep the losses (financial) under control.

Totally agree, I think this forum works best when steeped in debate (providing it doesn't deteriorate into name-calling!)

Say what you want about Alpine, but he does at least inspire such debating. And besides, a forum full of optimists would be just as bad as one full of pessimists.

[Saint Charlie]

How revealing.

I support Southampton Football Club because I like football and I come from Southampton. It's not exactly rocket science. As for the rest of your rant, if you dont understand that I and others have grave concerns about the direction of the club on what is clearly the very last throw of the dice, then I cant help you, sorry.


Ok. I have concerns too, as do all Saints fans. But I would rather hope that things get better and support the team at SMS than assume the worst will happen.

[Saint Martini]

Why has it dropped ?

Should the forum be full of a succession of posts saying "Come on you Reds" ?

I dont understand the outrage and aggression with which critical posts are responded to - do you ?


Funny how someone can get so wound up about a player that hasn't played for us in a year and in pre-season friendlies showed he is useless in this system. Besides that John is not gone and with him playing against Exeter I'd say he's here to stay unless we can get good money for him. I find it funny that you seem to think you're the only one that knows John is important to the team, maybe Poortvliet and the other coaches might have seen his qualities as well? So far he's not been sold and it seems that he is part of the team.

Besides that, can you stop stating like everything is a fact? How would you know if this style of play is unsuitable for the CCC? How do you know that it will fail because we don't have the players for it? You're relying on a pre-season, one away match against Cardiff and one against Exeter for your "proof" and you weren't even at these matches. At least give the guy a chance and stop shouting that everyone will be sold, as said at the fans forum several players were transferlisted but that doesn't mean all of them have to be sold. I'm sure someone is watching the balance of the team. Now my advice, chill out for the next few weeks untill the transferwindow closes and we had a few matches under our belts this season and maybe there's something to be said about the system being suitable of unsuitable for the CCC and the players not being good enough.

[derry]

Actually seems to have got better - had got slightly boring, people were even clamouring for the return of Tommac, LLS or the like.

Its good to have someone challenge the accepted wisdom, so to speak. I don't agree with all Alpine says, sometimes, maybe, he goes over the top but what's wrong with that?

We are taking a huge gamble this season, maybe it will work, maybe it won't, getting the balance right is very, very difficult. There are promising signs but it could all go horribly wrong. Unfortunately we have to offload a number of the high earners, some deserve to go more than others. I refrain from commenting on individuals because I haven't been fortunate to see any of them play.

From what people say, Rasiak seems no great loss. To get rid of Rasiak and John would seem foolhardy, so lets hope it doesn't happen and we can keep the losses (financial) under control.

I'd say that the huge gamble was taken the season before last and made even worse last season.

This season is a result of the overspending, money we didn't have underwritten last year by £21m in player sales and still losing £5m.

We now have to play affordable football. Luckily for us we have a group of pretty talented, fit, eager young players to come in and have a go. I think they will do pretty well, with the help of the players left from last year that can fit in. For me pretty well is finish just below halfway.

[St_Tel49]

Rasiak not so much of a loss but John would be a great loss if Tiger is right
I fail to see how someone capable of 20 goals a season is "not much of a loss". However, given the economics, I understand the need to sell. It could come back to bite us though.

[St_Tel49]

No, I dont - how many times was it posted last season "dont care about the football anymore, I go to drink with me mates" or suchlike ?
I don't know - I didn't read all your posts!!

[Ash]

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.
Surely even the most deluded of people can see that the continued existence of the football club should take priority over our striking options.
You simply have to be taking the ****, either that, and I'm not saying this in a name calling way, or you are genuinely one of the thickest individuals around.

[modern matron]

Surely even the most deluded of people can see that the continued existence of the football club should take priority over our striking options.
You simply have to be taking the ****, either that, and I'm not saying this in a name calling way, or you are genuinely one of the thickest individuals around.

Look perhaps we should actually sell every player and have no wage bill, not be in debt, and play games with a team made up of members of this forum!

I cannot believe the ridiculous complacency shown on this site. We will have no experienced players except Killer and Perry but you lot all think there's no problem with this! Rasiak is a proven scorer in this league and we are giving him to Watford? Why? This is barmy.....unless you want to guarantee a long struggle for survival...does anyone really believe McGoldrick will score 20 goals this season?

Oh yeah what price Killer being sold if he proves he's made a full recovery?

[sadoldgit]

Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run.

F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance.

T**t.

Congratulations Alpine, you have finally made it into the Guinness Book of Records as the most depressive,negative,ignorant man on the planet.

Who let this bloke back on the forum? Are his rants worth 5p, let alone £5???

Feel free to provide evidence that Lowe is not interested in the team. And while you are at it, some evidence that George Burley is a "drunken f*ckwit".

Your pathetic rants are wearing a bit thin. If you are so bothered about what is happening at St Marys why have you moved so far away? Don't the Austrians have things you can vent your enormous amount of pent up anger on?

Attitudes are changing but you my friend are a Dodo and thankfully a dying breed.
Michael Wilde showed you up as the the knee jerk reactionary you really are. Even when it was obvious that Lowe was on holiday in Canada you kept harping on about how poor it was that he hadn't made the trip to Exeter. You show your self up in every post you make.

You are an embarrassment to SFC and the best thing you ever did was to b*gger off to Austria.

Thank God that the true Saints fans are seeing he light and posting more and more on this forum.

You and your ilk are a dying breed here and than goodness for that.

[modern matron]

Congratulations Alpine, you have finally made it into the Guinness Book of Records as the most depressive,negative,ignorant man on the planet.

Who let this bloke back on the forum? Are his rants worth 5p, let alone £5???

Feel free to provide evidence that Lowe is not interested in the team. And while you are at it, some evidence that George Burley is a "drunken f*ckwit".

Your pathetic rants are wearing a bit thin. If you are so bothered about what is happening at St Marys why have you moved so far away? Don't the Austrians have things you can vent your enormous amount of pent up anger on?

Attitudes are changing but you my friend are a Dodo and thankfully a dying breed.
Michael Wilde showed you up as the the knee jerk reactionary you really are. Even when it was obvious that Lowe was on holiday in Canada you kept harping on about how poor it was that he hadn't made the trip to Exeter. You show your self up in every post you make.

You are an embarrassment to SFC and the best thing you ever did was to b*gger off to Austria.

Thank God that the true Saints fans are seeing he light and posting more and more on this forum.

You and your ilk are a dying breed here and than goodness for that.

Sorry your handle sums you up.

Oh yeah seeing what light? Goes a bit like a wing and a prayer I think. Beating Exeter means very little. Raziak is a top striker in this league, and we will give him to a rival - bloody stupid in my view!!! This team and soon squad of kids coached by Batman and Robin looks to be up **** creek without a paddle,,,,,,

[dubai_phil]

Congratulations Alpine, you have finally made it into the Guinness Book of Records as the most depressive,negative,ignorant man on the planet.

Who let this bloke back on the forum? Are his rants worth 5p, let alone £5???

Feel free to provide evidence that Lowe is not interested in the team. And while you are at it, some evidence that George Burley is a "drunken f*ckwit".

Your pathetic rants are wearing a bit thin. If you are so bothered about what is happening at St Marys why have you moved so far away? Don't the Austrians have things you can vent your enormous amount of pent up anger on?

Attitudes are changing but you my friend are a Dodo and thankfully a dying breed.
Michael Wilde showed you up as the the knee jerk reactionary you really are. Even when it was obvious that Lowe was on holiday in Canada you kept harping on about how poor it was that he hadn't made the trip to Exeter. You show your self up in every post you make.

You are an embarrassment to SFC and the best thing you ever did was to b*gger off to Austria.

Thank God that the true Saints fans are seeing he light and posting more and more on this forum.

You and your ilk are a dying breed here and than goodness for that.

lol but unfortunately I was the one who saw Burley at 11:14pm being only just capable of walking across the lobby of the De Vere. Alps is RIGHT to be worried, but he is wrong to be negative at the moment, we don't have much choice and we can probably only afford to keep one of SJ & GR. Maybe he was wrong not to see the writing on the wall when GR & Saga went on loan last season. We don't like it but have little choice, it' a p*sser but as a mate once said.

Life is a s*it sandwich. How good it is depends on how thick the bread is.

And that's it after too many Bullfrogs no more sense from here either

[Ash]

Look perhaps we should actually sell every player and have no wage bill, not be in debt, and play games with a team made up of members of this forum!

I cannot believe the ridiculous complacency shown on this site. We will have no experienced players except Killer and Perry but you lot all think there's no problem with this! Rasiak is a proven scorer in this league and we are giving him to Watford? Why? This is barmy.....unless you want to guarantee a long struggle for survival...does anyone really believe McGoldrick will score 20 goals this season?

Oh yeah what price Killer being sold if he proves he's made a full recovery?
I can see you have a well debated and balanced opinion on the subject, nobody is suggesting that we stick people from the forum in the squad but believe it or not there is a middle ground between forum members and Polish internationals on in excess of 10k a week.
We have no money and are in debt to several parties, the bank in particular is owed a great deal of money. Rasiak is on an awful lot of money a week which we cannot afford. It is not complacency (at least not on my part), I do not think we can sell Rasiak and still walk this league. Surely you are the complacent one, thinking we can continue to live in the red with no consequences.
Believe it or not Rupert Lowe doesn't want to guarantee a long struggle for survival. The best we can hope for is the kids turning out to be world beaters but if we end up getting relegated then so be it, I would rather be relegated and still be in existence.
Oh, and I hope McGoldrick scores a **** load and is sold for a **** load. We can stick Jamie White in afterward and repeat the process.

[RoswellSaint]

lol but unfortunately I was the one who saw Burley at 11:14pm being only just capable of walking across the lobby of the De Vere. Alps is RIGHT to be worried, but he is wrong to be negative at the moment, we don't have much choice and we can probably only afford to keep one of SJ & GR. Maybe he was wrong not to see the writing on the wall when GR & Saga went on loan last season. We don't like it but have little choice, it' a p*sser but as a mate once said.

Life is a s*it sandwich. How good it is depends on how thick the bread is.

And that's it after too many Bullfrogs no more sense from here either

Not your usual eloquent self, but a good summary, hope the head doesn't hurt too much in the morning. ;)

[Bailey]

Not surprised if this story is true.

We needed to get Rasiak off the wage bill but it's just a shame he's going to a team in the same division.

You just know he's going to start banging the goals in for Watford!

Still, if Rasiak has left then at least it means John is likely to be staying. I think he fits into our new system much better than GR does.

[66East]

Sorry your handle sums you up.

Oh yeah seeing what light? Goes a bit like a wing and a prayer I think. Beating Exeter means very little. Raziak is a top striker in this league, and we will give him to a rival - bloody stupid in my view!!! This team and soon squad of kids coached by Batman and Robin looks to be up **** creek without a paddle,,,,,,


It's not giving him to a rival is it though. It's more about getting him off the wage bill, or didn't you know that we were in the **** for money. If he plays well for them and they buy him off us, then great. But if he plays as well as he did for Bolton last season, then we won't get a lot for him will we.

[Saint Martini]

Look perhaps we should actually sell every player and have no wage bill, not be in debt, and play games with a team made up of members of this forum!

I cannot believe the ridiculous complacency shown on this site. We will have no experienced players except Killer and Perry but you lot all think there's no problem with this! Rasiak is a proven scorer in this league and we are giving him to Watford? Why? This is barmy.....unless you want to guarantee a long struggle for survival...does anyone really believe McGoldrick will score 20 goals this season?

Oh yeah what price Killer being sold if he proves he's made a full recovery?

I think you've left out Davies, Thomas, Davis, Wotton, and John. Besides that Surman, Holmes and BWP aren't exactly inexperienced. I know some of them might still leave (most likely in my opinion Thomas and perhaps Davis and John if a good price is paid) but there is still experience in the team.

Besides that we're not going to give Rasiak to Watford are we? We'll get some money for him and they pay his wages, I'd say that money can be well spend by keeping John at the club. And to answer you question concerning DMG, no I don't think so but in this formation the other attackers should chip in as well with some goals and I can see him getting 15 or so. The main point is, the team without Rasiak is just as capable of staying up as with Rasiak. He was never going to fit in anyway.

[Window Cleaner]

Is this Rasiak to Watford thing actually happening or is it just the result of speculation and assumption? Never know on Fridays do you.

[saintwarwick]

Is this Rasiak to Watford thing actually happening or is it just the result of speculation and assumption? Never know on Fridays do you.

Get back to window cleaning and leave those that are ITK to post what is really happeniing on Friday's. ;)

[alpine_saint]

Look perhaps we should actually sell every player and have no wage bill, not be in debt, and play games with a team made up of members of this forum!

I cannot believe the ridiculous complacency shown on this site. We will have no experienced players except Killer and Perry but you lot all think there's no problem with this! Rasiak is a proven scorer in this league and we are giving him to Watford? Why? This is barmy.....unless you want to guarantee a long struggle for survival...does anyone really believe McGoldrick will score 20 goals this season?

Oh yeah what price Killer being sold if he proves he's made a full recovery?

Amen....

[Master Bates]

Probably been posted but still

http://www.watford.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=120271

[alpine_saint]

Congratulations Alpine, you have finally made it into the Guinness Book of Records as the most depressive,negative,ignorant man on the planet.

Who let this bloke back on the forum? Are his rants worth 5p, let alone £5???

Feel free to provide evidence that Lowe is not interested in the team. And while you are at it, some evidence that George Burley is a "drunken f*ckwit".

Your pathetic rants are wearing a bit thin. If you are so bothered about what is happening at St Marys why have you moved so far away? Don't the Austrians have things you can vent your enormous amount of pent up anger on?

Attitudes are changing but you my friend are a Dodo and thankfully a dying breed.
Michael Wilde showed you up as the the knee jerk reactionary you really are. Even when it was obvious that Lowe was on holiday in Canada you kept harping on about how poor it was that he hadn't made the trip to Exeter. You show your self up in every post you make.

You are an embarrassment to SFC and the best thing you ever did was to b*gger off to Austria.

Thank God that the true Saints fans are seeing he light and posting more and more on this forum.

You and your ilk are a dying breed here and than goodness for that.

Let's see if me and "my ilk" are a dying breed in 6 weeks time, eh ?

Wonder if you might get a pm from a nice mod over this post ?????????

[Hacienda]

Let's see if me and "my ilk" are a dying breed in 6 weeks time, eh ?

I'm sure you'll be cracking one off to very opposition goal so you get the chance to say "told you so" to people you've never met, on an internet messageboard.

[alpine_saint]

I'm sure you'll be cracking one off to very opposition goal so you get the chance to say "told you so" to people you've never met, on an internet messageboard.

Seeing as that would involve the team I have supported all my life losing and sliding nearer the abyss, I doubt it.

However, I am sure the opposite applies to the likes of you if we win...

[dubai_phil]

Not your usual eloquent self, but a good summary, hope the head doesn't hurt too much in the morning. ;)

It does.

Thanks for the concern though:-)

[Weston Saint]

Probably been posted but still

http://www.watford.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=120271

Good player with real quality, only problem i can forsee, is injury, always getting injured and out for long periods, hope that is not the case this time
ANDY710


I think Rasiak would be a big player for us as he has that knack of upsetting centre halves and find the net (how very Hendo) but my main concern is will we be tempted to hit it long as he's good in the air?
DrWatford

It is not injuries that have kept him out of the team!

Good in the air. He cannot jump and is ****e in the air. Upsetting Centre halfs. He has no strength and will not challenge anyone.

Rasiaks only real attribute is that he can get into a space and score if the defence is weak. Failed in the Premier ever time he played as they do not alow such space.

That is my opinion having watched him regularly.

I would be more worried if they were after Stern John.

[Hacienda]

Seeing as that would involve the team I have supported all my life losing and sliding nearer the abyss, I doubt it.

However, I am sure the opposite applies to the likes of you if we win...

If we win playing good football it's a bonus. If we lose playing good football then I can live with it.

I've also come to accept that despite my fears and my dislike for Lowe our cloth has to be cut accordingly.

You should try it instead of your usual vomit inducing BS.

[Master Bates]

It does.

Thanks for the concern though:-)

Let me blow your mind.

[Window Cleaner]

Let me blow your mind.

One handed tit juggling is certainly a good start.

[Master Bates]

One handed tit juggling is certainly a good start.

See PM for what Dubai got.

I think dubai phil may have now had a coronary :D

[itchen]

lol but unfortunately I was the one who saw Burley at 11:14pm being only just capable of walking across the lobby of the De Vere. Alps is RIGHT to be worried, but he is wrong to be negative at the moment, we don't have much choice and we can probably only afford to keep one of SJ & GR. Maybe he was wrong not to see the writing on the wall when GR & Saga went on loan last season. We don't like it but have little choice, it' a p*sser but as a mate once said.

Life is a s*it sandwich. How good it is depends on how thick the bread is.

And that's it after too many Bullfrogs no more sense from here either

I don't think being drunk at 11:14pm is necessarily a sign of a serious drinking problem. I doubt if there many adults on this forum who have not been in that position - particularly in a hotel where all you've got to do is get in a lift to go to bed.

I don't know if the rumour about Rasiak is true but I can see we have little choice but to get either John or Rasiak off our wage bill. As Rasiak hasn't played for us for ages and I prefer John's play anyway, this looks a good deal as long as we insert a clause that he can't play against us.

[alpine_saint]

I don't know if the rumour about Rasiak is true but I can see we have little choice but to get either John or Rasiak off our wage bill.

You know what ? I could have lived with that.

But we got rid of Saga too..

[Saint Martini]

You know what ? I could have lived with that.

But we got rid of Saga too..

SO you wanted to have three players for one position? That's going result in unhappy players and bad team morale.

[Window Cleaner]

You know what ? I could have lived with that.

But we got rid of Saga too..


Saga is out on loan until december as far a I know, think he played in the Champions League qualifiers last Wednesday, his team won 2-0 I believe.
Maybe he's doing what HE wanted and not what really suited us.I certainly don't know and I doubt that any of you do.

[alpine_saint]

SO you wanted to have three players for one position? That's going result in unhappy players and bad team morale.

Our players are going to be 100% fit all season ?

Substitutions have been banned, along with tactical selections ?

[Hacienda]

But we got rid of Saga too..

Again you assume that we won't recall him if needed.

[bmthred]

McGoldrick, John and BWP are enough to cover one forward position

[Saint Martini]

Our players are going to be 100% fit all season ?

Substitutions have been banned, along with tactical selections ?

No, but assuming John or DMG will play 30+ games then there's at most 16 left for the other striker. Besides that we still have BWP or Paterson to play the striker role if needed and if one of the strikers is injured long term you either recall one of Saga and Rasiak (which might not be possible due to loanfees) or you get an emergency loan in. The luxury of having 3 players for one position is not one we have.

[alpine_saint]

Again you assume that we won't recall him if needed.

Correct. It's never going to happen.

[Window Cleaner]

Our players are going to be 100% fit all season ?

Substitutions have been banned, along with tactical selections ?nn

Given our last season's managers' ineptitude with both substitutions and tactics it would certainly have been a boon for us if they'd have been banned last season.I quite liked football with just one substitute, evened things up quite a bit.Can you imagine how Man U and Chelsea would get on with just 12 man
match squads, there'd certainly be a lot more top players (on reduced pay)
to go round.

[alpine_saint]

No, but assuming John or DMG will play 30+ games then there's at most 16 left for the other striker. Besides that we still have BWP or Paterson to play the striker role if needed and if one of the strikers is injured long term you either recall one of Saga and Rasiak (which might not be possible due to loanfees) or you get an emergency loan in. The luxury of having 3 players for one position is not one we have.

Well, so far I am not a fan of 32% football, so you'll hopefully forgive me for thinking we need two fit strikers.

And if we really want to get rid of wage drains, BWP is the PERFECT candidate...

[Hacienda]

Correct. It's never going to happen.

And you know this because???

No this is a simple yes or no answer. Can SFC recall Saga from this loan at any stage?

Yes or no is all that's required.

[Saint Martini]

Well, so far I am not a fan of 32% football, so you'll hopefully forgive me for thinking we need two fit strikers.

And if we really want to get rid of wage drains, BWP is the PERFECT candidate...

I agree, we have those in John and DMG...

Did you not read what I just wrote?

[stevegrant]

And if we really want to get rid of wage drains, BWP is the PERFECT candidate...
Given McGoldrick's recent run of first-team goals, I'd now be inclined to agree with you on that one.

Previously, DM hadn't shown that he could score goals at this level, so he couldn't be relied upon as the "pacey" option up front. Wright-Phillips has had that role pretty much since he arrived at the club and managed to keep a place at least in the 16 if not in the starting 11 on the basis that he was the only option for an injection of pace up front. It's entirely possible that we now have a better option in McGoldrick. It is also, however, entirely possible that this is a never-to-be-repeated purple patch for him... ;)

[Window Cleaner]

No, but assuming John or DMG will play 30+ games then there's at most 16 left for the other striker. Besides that we still have BWP or Paterson to play the striker role if needed and if one of the strikers is injured long term you either recall one of Saga and Rasiak (which might not be possible due to loanfees) or you get an emergency loan in. The luxury of having 3 players for one position is not one we have.


But I ask again, what certainty have you that Rasiak is actually going to
leave? Nothing seems to be happening, we need to offload high earners, everybody knows that and I can't see anybody actually paying money for them now when it 15 days time they might get them on loan with us chipping in a wee bit on the salary make-up.Remember Dan Petrescu, Spurs actually gave us money to take him off their hands, true we did rip them off for Deano as well.

[alpine_saint]

I agree, we have those in John and DMG...

Did you not read what I just wrote?

Did you not read what I just wrote ? I said two fit strikers.

You are assuming John and McGoldrick will stay fit (or not be suspended, etc.) all season. Ridiculous.

[stevegrant]

And you know this because???

No this is a simple yes or no answer. Can SFC recall Saga from this loan at any stage?

Yes or no is all that's required.
I would suspect not. International loans tend to be a bit more "fixed-term" than domestic ones, whether that's down to UEFA or just the done thing I'm not too sure.

[stevegrant]

Remember Dan Petrescu, Spurs actually gave us money to take him off their hands, true we did rip them off for Deano as well.
Dan Petrescu came from Bradford City...

[alpine_saint]

And you know this because???

No this is a simple yes or no answer. Can SFC recall Saga from this loan at any stage?

Yes or no is all that's required.

No. And they will not because they'd have to hand money back as well.

What dont you understand ?

[Window Cleaner]

Dan Petrescu came from Bradford City...

Right, bad memory again, they did give us money though?

[Saint Martini]

Did you not read what I just wrote ? I said two fit strikers.

You are assuming John and McGoldrick will stay fit (or not be suspended, etc.) all season. Ridiculous.

Like I said, get a shortterm loan if one of them is injured and we always have Paterson. At the moment we also have BWP, although I do agree that he would be a good candidate for a transfer.

[OldNick]

No. And they will not because they'd have to hand money back as well.

What dont you understand ?IF Saga is so good he will soon score so many goals in Denmark that there will be a host of clubs lining up to buy him from us.We will then bank the fee and might get a striker on loan....or he will score the odd goal and he will return to see out his contract.
Now which PLan do you think it will be Plan A or Plan B?

[OldNick]

Like I said, get a shortterm loan if one of them is injured and we always have Paterson. At the moment we also have BWP, although I do agree that he would be a good candidate for a transfer.BWP fits in wioth the system better than the other 2

[alpine_saint]

BWP fits in wioth the system better than the other 2

OK, so your strategy is f**k the quality, feel the width.

I suppose you think it right that succession of England managers wasted MLT ???

[stevegrant]

Right, bad memory again, they did give us money though?
Don't think SFC saw any financial benefit other than perhaps Bradford continuing to pay a portion of his salary.

[PokingFun]

On what is this utterly misguided assumption that "Rasiak going means Stern is staying" based ?

Probably on the basis that SJ has been in Jan's pre-season squad regularly whereas Rasiak has not really been anywhere near it.

[ottery st mary]

BWP fits in wioth the system better than the other 2

In my opinion, White,Thomson,Mighty Mac,Patterson,Dyer, Lallana,Holmes and of course John fit the system required by the coaching staff. Bradley may well be off as he will not be getting a place sometime soon.
There is even suggestion that McGlaggon and Gobern will soon move into contention in the coming season. To be fair the high wages that Bradley recieves do not help his cause but then he has never really qualified as a first team striker and for those two reasons I would suggest we try to sell on.

[Master Bates]

It's a loan, story just comin on OS

[Master Bates]

892. News - Archive - Rasiak out on loan
http://saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10446
Grzegorz Rasiak is joining Watford on loan until the end of...

http://i36.tinypic.com/v5eirb.jpg

[alpine_saint]

It's a loan, story just comin on OS

Superb. He's gone, and we have no money to show for it....:mad:

[Big Bad Bob]

It's a loan, story just comin on OS

Wow, have you got a hot line to the OS now......

[Big Bad Bob]

892. News - Archive - Rasiak out on loan
http://saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10446
Grzegorz Rasiak is joining Watford on loan until the end of...

http://i36.tinypic.com/v5eirb.jpg

Seriously, you must have a time travelling Web Browser....

[Master Bates]

Wow, have you got a hot line to the OS now......

Look at the pic that you can't see, I tried doing it in imageshack but got to 3mins and still wasn't working.

[PokingFun]

Superb. He's gone, and we have no money to show for it....:mad:

There will likely be a loan fee involved to us and he will be off the wage bill.

[Saint Martini]

Yep, I found it as well with the search. No story up yet, if you click the link you get an error message.

[Um Bongo]

Good work.

[stevegrant]

Superb. He's gone, and we have no money to show for it....:mad:
Apart from a loan fee and a wage bill £20k a week lighter...

We've probably made back at least half Rasiak's £2m transfer fee in loan fees now, given that Bolton stupidly paid about £700k last season!

[Appy]

This means he can't play against us right?

[Big Bad Bob]

Look at the pic that you can't see, I tried doing it in imageshack but got to 3mins and still wasn't working.

Oh right, it's in the Search just not on the main board yet!! bizarre

[stevegrant]

This means he can't play against us right?
I believe so, yes.

[Master Bates]

Oh right, it's in the Search just not on the main board yet!! bizarre

Correct :D

[O_RLY]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=6314

[madruss]

Superb. He's gone, and we have no money to show for it....:mad:

If the loan's until December and, say, Rasiak is on 12k per week, that's a wage saving of over £200,000

If it's until the end of the season, the wage saving is almost £450,000, plus whatever loan fee we'll get

[Big Bad Bob]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=6314

Good to have Pahars back from injury, shame Oakley isn't fit though!!!

:smt063

[NickG]

full story -til end of week -he available for us on Saturday

[hugh]

Relax, the Watford story is jumping the gun a bit I think.
Look at the first post here (http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.forum.posts.php?id_t=64629#6)

[Master Bates]

Relax, the Watford story is jumping the gun a bit I think.
Look at the first post here (http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.forum.posts.php?id_t=64629#6)

Same site that said we'd be taken over by now, I believe the OS story which isn't up yet.

[RMoo2]

The deal is done, my brother works for Watford and was in Winchester yesterday with Rasiak sorting it out. He will probably be on the bench for them on Saturday and is training with them today.

[saint1977]

Apart from a loan fee and a wage bill £20k a week lighter...

We've probably made back at least half Rasiak's £2m transfer fee in loan fees now, given that Bolton stupidly paid about £700k last season!

Megson is a mug to pay £700k for someone that is a CCC loanee and that he didn't even play. Football really is walking towards a very large cliff face when you see madness like that!

[trousers]

Same site that said we'd be taken over by now, I believe the OS story which isn't up yet.

Indeed. The OS wouldn't have prepared an article and put it on the 'pending release' pile unless it was happening. They do this a lot with breaking stories....

edit: unless of course they've partially 'leaked' the article to rattle Norwich's cage one more time....? Nah...that would be far too sneaky.... ;)

[VectisSaint]

Megson is a mug to pay £700k for someone that is a CCC loanee and that he didn't even play. Football really is walking towards a very large cliff face when you see madness like that!
Thank goodness for mugs :) Saved us about £1m last season, nice piece of business by Mr Crouch as it turned out...

[Matthew Le God]

Indeed. The OS wouldn't have prepared an article and put it on the 'pending release' pile unless it was happening. They do this a lot with breaking stories....

Its been breaking for a long time now. Maybe Norwich really have come in at the last minute and asked for a delay.

[trousers]

Its been breaking for a long time now. Maybe Norwich really have come in at the last minute and asked for a delay.

Great minds thinking alike again....I edited my post as you were quoting me....


Indeed. The OS wouldn't have prepared an article and put it on the 'pending release' pile unless it was happening. They do this a lot with breaking stories....

edit: unless of course they've partially 'leaked' the article to rattle Norwich's cage one more time....? Nah...that would be far too sneaky.... ;)

[saint1977]

Its been breaking for a long time now. Maybe Norwich really have come in at the last minute and asked for a delay.

Come on Delia, let's be having you!

[Long Shot]

Megson is a mug to pay £700k for someone that is a CCC loanee and that he didn't even play. Football really is walking towards a very large cliff face when you see madness like that!


I think I read that the loan fee was only payable if Bolton stayed up, which they did, so I suppose it was 700 grand well spent.

[saintrich]

I think I read that the loan fee was only payable if Bolton stayed up, which they did, so I suppose it was 700 grand well spent.



He hardly made a contribution to them staying up tbh.

[John Boy Saint]

Makes you laugh, so many people getting in a tizzy over a Striker who has quite frankly done bugger all for us over the past season at least, yes he scored the goal that kept us in with a sniff of the play off finals, but even that season he frustrated most posters on here with his lack of endeavour.

The best game that Rasiak had for us last season was against Norwich, when many around me in the stands commented that following that performance at full time he will probably get a hand on the shoulder in the tunnel and asked to wee in a bottle, the very next day he was at the Reebok on loan: just shows why we do not need players with that kind of attitude who up their game to get a move then just pull on their slippers and light a pipe and relax when it is acquired.

I would far rather have some nippers and a seasoned pro who looks like he could be your Grandad who visibly put in some effort playing for the team than someone who does not give me value for money.

[Bailey]

Its been breaking for a long time now. Maybe Norwich really have come in at the last minute and asked for a delay.

Quite possible IMO, especially considering Ipswich have been given permission to talk to Ameobi of Newcastle, a rumoured target for Norwich. If they miss out on him, then Rasiak could be their next choice. This also ties in with the post from The Ugly Inside too. The plot thickens . . .

[nbsaint79]

Looks like the OFS put the story up that he's off on loan then pulled it for some reason.

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[nbsaint79]

Ignore that - just seen it at the top.

[Long Shot]

He hardly made a contribution to them staying up tbh.

Agreed but I suppose he was a useful back up option.

[trousers]

Looks like the OFS put the story up that he's off on loan then pulled it for some reason.

I don't think it's been pulled as such....it just goes through a pre-release stage (i.e. it's indexed but not published)....they'll just be waiting for the powers that be to give the nod to press the 'publish' button....unless Norwich sneak up on the rails of course....

[Coca Cola Saint]

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/localsport/3597206.Rasiak_signs_on_loan/

[Master Bates]

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/localsport/3597206.Rasiak_signs_on_loan/

Cheerski

[Matthew Le God]

That article from the Watford Observer was published 4 hours ago. With no confirmation still from either club it seems possible there was a late approach from Norwich which prevented the loan going through.

[Big Bad Bob]

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/localsport/3597206.Rasiak_signs_on_loan/

I do love the fact that it starts off as a fait acompli and then goes on to say



The likely move for Rasiak will be embraced by Tommy Smith who teamed up with the Pole to devastating effect at Derby County. In the 2004/05 season Smith and Rasiak scored 22 goals between them in the 34 matches they appeared in together.

The proposed arrival of Rasiak, however, means the deal to sign free agent Ulises De la Cruz is on the back-burner.

[VectisSaint]

This means he can't play against us right?
No, Prem League only rule. Remember Lucketti could have played against Sheff Utd last season, he chose not to, but there was no rule to prevent it...
Still, should be a good thing having Ras playing against us, just need to tie the legs together of one of our defenders and they should be able to outrun him :)

[trousers]

Grzegorz Rasiak is joining Watford on loan until the end of the season.
With finances limited and a new emphasis on youth, Saints have allowed the 29-year-old Polish international to move to Vicarage Road.
Rasiak scored eight goals in 26 appearances for Saints last season before being loaned to Bolton in January.
He helped keep the Trotters in the Barclays Premier League, earning Saints a sizeable bonus payment. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif
However he just missed out on a place in Poland's Euro 2008 squad and now has been loaned to Watford who have an option to buy the hitman who has a total of 33 goals from 68 starts with 16 appearances as substitute.
http://saintsfc.co.uk/?page_id=10446

[Master Bates]

http://saintsfc.co.uk/?page_id=10446

Don't believe you.

[trousers]

Don't believe you.

You're not alone

[Master Bates]

You're not alone

See, I knew aliens existed.

ps. I got one :D

[Big Bad Bob]

http://saintsfc.co.uk/?page_id=10446


Don't believe you.

I keep refreshing the page to see if it'll do a magical disappearing act.....not that I personally want it to...

[Greenridge]

Confirmed on the OS.

[the scud]

on OS now

[Master Bates]

It's on the OS now

http://saintsfc.co.uk/?page_id=10446

[Master Bates]

Now on the Watford OS ;)

[SaintDonkey]

No surprise he's gone, a great shame that it's to one of our rivals.

[jimmysaint7]

i think this is a really shocking transfer. i really think we lack firepower now

[Johnny Shearer]

No surprise he's gone, a great shame that it's to one of our rivals.

Not being a funny but Watford will be looking for top half wheareas we'll be looking at safety. Just being a pragmatist.

If Rasiak can score a few winners against teams at the bottom end of the table then that would be good for us surely?!

[ozzmeister]

Interestingly it is not on BBC yet. OS say they also have an option to buy - how long has Rasiak's contract got left to run?

[alpine_saint]

A truly black day in the clubs recent history.

What a long way we have fallen in the last three years...

[Master Bates]

Interestingly it is not on BBC yet. OS say they also have an option to buy - how long has Rasiak's contract got left to run?

2 yrs?

[Johnny Shearer]

A truly black day in the clubs recent history.

What a long way we have fallen in the last three years...

Why is it such a black day?

[Andy Durman]

What we lacked last season was speed and fitness. Rasiak does not fit the criteria.

Now all we need to do is get rid of Euell and Thomas

[SaintDonkey]

i think this is a really shocking transfer. i really think we lack firepower now

that's a bit of an exageration.

We've lost:
Saga 3 goals last season
Rasiak 8 goals last season.

We've still got:
John 20 goals last season
BWP 8 goals last season
McGoldrick 3 goals in 2 games this season

Not to mention Lallana, Paterson and White.

[Bailey]

I can't understand why some are making such a fuss over this transfer.

Rasiak hasn't been properly involved at Saints for quite a while now, so it's not as if we're losing our key player.

[Chris Larkin]

No, Prem League only rule. Remember Lucketti could have played against Sheff Utd last season, he chose not to, but there was no rule to prevent it...
Not necessarily - the rules doesn't actively prevent players from playing against their parent clubs, but there's nothing to stop us from insisting to Watford that a clause preventing it is included in the deal here. I suppose we'll find out whether this has happened before the first game against them.

This seems to be a sensible deal for both clubs, good luck to Gregorz at Watford.

[Johnny Shearer]

I can't understand why some are making such a fuss over this transfer.

Rasiak hasn't been properly involved at Saints for quite a while now, so it's not as if we're losing our key player.

Completely agree with you. Some people have made out as if Rasiak is our best player and we're doomed without him. AS long as we keep SJ, I'll be happy.

[jimmysaint7]

that's a bit of an exageration.

We've lost:
Saga 3 goals last season
Rasiak 8 goals last season.

We've still got:
John 20 goals last season
BWP 8 goals last season
McGoldrick 3 goals in 2 games this season

Not to mention Lallana, Paterson and White.

what about the season before that? paterson and white are not ready for the first team

[alpine_saint]

what about the season before that? paterson and white are not ready for the first team

Aye. Some serious cherry-picking of facts is going on around this story.

[trousers]

Confirmed on the OS now:

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=7240

[Johnny Shearer]

what about the season before that? paterson and white are not ready for the first team

I have to say that was a slightly different Saints team to the one we had last season. A lot more attack minded and playing some good stuff together in the games that the line up was kept the same.

[jimmysaint7]

I have to say that was a slightly different Saints team to the one we had last season. A lot more attack minded and playing some good stuff together in the games that the line up was kept the same.

thatss agood point you make. i just feel that even in the system we have now rasiak will score goals. he is a natural goalscorer

[Matthew Le God]

I've heard from my sources the future fee is £1.3m

[Bailey]

I've heard from my sources the future fee is £1.3m

That would make sense if the combined loan fees we've received from Bolton and Watford is around the 700K mark, meaning we would have recouped the initial transfer fee we payed Tottenham to sign him. Not to mention the 'sizeable bonus payment' we received for Rasiak's part in keeping Bolton up! All in all, providing Watford do take up their option to sign him, we've got a pretty good deal in my opinion. AND he's off the wage bill too.

[SaintDonkey]

what about the season before that? paterson and white are not ready for the first team

Season before that we didn't have John so not really that good a comparason.

[VectisSaint]

Not necessarily - the rules doesn't actively prevent players from playing against their parent clubs, but there's nothing to stop us from insisting to Watford that a clause preventing it is included in the deal here. I suppose we'll find out whether this has happened before the first game against them.

This seems to be a sensible deal for both clubs, good luck to Gregorz at Watford.
Thats what I said wasn't it? The original post was that there was a rule to prevent loanees playing against their own club. Well there isn't, thats a popular misconception because it applies only in the Prem. What clubs put in loan contracts is a different matter, though it would be highly unlikely that Saints would seek to add a clause of this type. Seiously if I was Saints I would put a clause in that says he has to play against us, gives us more chance, if our defenders can't keep Rasiak in their pocket then they shouldn't be playing pro football. Wurzel Gummidge should be able to effectively mark him :)

[Johnny Shearer]

thatss agood point you make. i just feel that even in the system we have now rasiak will score goals. he is a natural goalscorer

I guess thats the point. JP seemed determined to go with DMG most of the time in pre-season. I just hope he learns a few things off SJ in terms of holding up play etc bringing others into the game.

[Torres]

A truly black day in the clubs recent history.

What a long way we have fallen in the last three years...

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/mason_ftw/SlitWrists.png

[Chris Larkin]

Thats what I said wasn't it? The original post was that there was a rule to prevent loanees playing against their own club. Well there isn't, thats a popular misconception because it applies only in the Prem. What clubs put in loan contracts is a different matter, though it would be highly unlikely that Saints would seek to add a clause of this type. Seiously if I was Saints I would put a clause in that says he has to play against us, gives us more chance, if our defenders can't keep Rasiak in their pocket then they shouldn't be playing pro football. Wurzel Gummidge should be able to effectively mark him :)
Fair enough!

[JustMike]

this does show how far we have fallen. The sooner we get investment the better. A bad, sorry state of affairs when we are forced to loan a goal scorer in this division to one of our rivals.

[IN MY DAY]

i'm not fussed he's gone but why a loan? Why cant we sell the guy and get a fee rather than dragging his Saints career for another year. I cant believe the guy has the motivation to perform at this level and fear much the same as the Bolton saga, that his reputation is greater than the player himself.

[dubai_phil]

Sorry guys, baloney.

The old TSF was FULL of posts about Lazy Rasiak, uninterested Rasiak. Not fit to wear the shirt Rasiak.


I LIKED him, he was the opposite of SJ when I saw him - GR was about little flicks and layoffs, most never worked as nobody around him seemed to be playing on the same wavelength.

But the tone of some on here it's almost as if we'd just lost Le Tiss in his prime..

The fans on here weren't 100% behind him in virtually ANY of the seasons he played so to say the sky is falling isn't right.

It is bad news, but too many IF ONLY's. He didnt play well with SJ, him and Saga never hit it off for us and right now we can't afford to keep players based on a HOPE that our coaches can turn them around for this season.

He is a good CCC player, but when we sold Kenwyn and got SJ we had the problem. KJ & GR were good together SJ & GR were the same type of player. The balance of the strike force was wrong.

Oh and BTW, this money issue is not just Saints....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/2559990/Credit-crunch-makes-Premier-League-clubs-feel-the-squeeze---Football.html

[trousers]

It's now been confirmed on the OS

[Chez]

we had to lose Rasiak or John for financial reasons so its good news from that point of view.

He will be out of contract come the summer so that means we won't be getting a transfer fee for him now. I hope the loan fee to Watford is significant.

[derry]

we had to lose Rasiak or John for financial reasons so its good news from that point of view.

He will be out of contract come the summer so that means we won't be getting a transfer fee for him now. I hope the loan fee to Watford is significant.

I think he has two years left.

[AlfredKo]

Our finance suituation is ****!!!!! Can you believe we loan one of our top scorer to our rivals?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I see no confirmation as to whether he will be able to play against us or not in the Saints v Watford game next October .

[musesaint]

A f*cking disaster

[voteforpedro]

Happy to see him off the wage bill. I never really rated him and couldn't stand watching him play as he was always the laziest player on the pitch and I don't think he was in Portvliets plans for this season.

[saintkiptanui]

A truly black day in the clubs recent history.

What a long way we have fallen in the last three years...you sad f*cker

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[egreog]

Glad he's gone........wonder if he will get a game at Watford!!??

[saintkiptanui]

he runs like a girl, we need him off the books, we have stern, no problem. This place is full of uptight people, calm down.

[modern matron]

A f*cking disaster

Now Andrew Davies for 1.5m...............depressed big time

[saintkiptanui]

Now Andrew Davies for 1.5m...............depressed big timecalm down matron you big girls blouse, we are southampton the pride of the south, don't forget it.

[alpine_saint]

he runs like a girl, we need him off the books, we have stern, no problem. This place is full of uptight people, calm down.

Yeah, cos there's no way he will be sold, is there ?

[saintkiptanui]

Yeah, cos there's no way he will be sold, is there ?
maybe he will be, what would you rather?? keep rasiak, stern and davies or still have a club to moan about???

[alpine_saint]

maybe he will be, what would you rather?? keep rasiak, stern and davies or still have a club to moan about???

I reckon that the exodus appears to be gathering such a pace, that administration may happen before the end of the season anyway.

This is beginning to look like panic activity.

Maybe its simply too f**king late - have you thought of that ?

[The Worm]

not bothered at all

[saintkiptanui]

I reckon that the exodus appears to be gathering such a pace, that administration may happen before the end of the season anyway.

This is beginning to look like panic activity.

Maybe its simply too f**king late - have you thought of that ?no I haven't but thats because my glass is quarter full whislt yours has the spit and dregs left.

[alpine_saint]

no I haven't but thats because my glass is quarter full whislt yours has the spit and dregs left.

Maybe you'd better consider that possibility then......

[rugbysaints]

gutted is just the start for me... BWP and a few others should have gone,not a man if played right can get us 20 goals-as his record when allowed to play proves.

Shocking, and to a rival in our league.this will come back to haunt us.

[kenneth_kenobi]

At least being a loan, he can not play against us!

[Saints67]

At least being a loan, he can not play against us!

Hmmm as stated before I believe Lucketti could have turned out against his team. I just hope Rasiak doesn't though or has picked up 'an injury' by then.