Davies to Stoke <Confirmed on Echo>

[Glasgow_Saint]

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What a day! :(

We need investment FAST!

[alpine_saint]

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What a day! :(

We need investment FAST!

For once I agree.

This club wont make it to the end of the season otherwise.

[saint lard]

Simply....Oh,shi7e.

[Minty]

If true, (nothing concrete to go on yet) I would of course be absolutely gutted to lose him, but one player does not make a team. Either we sulk about it, or we deal with it and move on.

[SuperSAINT]

Jeeze, that does suck doesn't it? The thought of him & Killer at the back was one of my very few things I was confident about for this season!

[Dicko]

We are in absolute **** street

[Hacienda]

We are in absolute **** street

Very much so now we just sold our best player.

[Diplodocus]

Pulis confirmed he'd had a bid accepted for Davies,post-match.

BBC Radio Stoke said they "understood the bid was in the region of £1.3m"

[lordswoodsaints]

reported to be in his contract that if a prem club comes calling then he can move on,it is hard but you cant blame him.
nothing has been finalised and he is still 'in talks' but it looks likely he will go.

[Broke]

Mabye we should start giving our POTS award to our ****e players (e.g. Thomas), then we might shift them instead of our best. If we don't replace him we'll be fooked.

[JustMike]

****ed...****ed..fooked

and after what i just watched today we are shafted

[hypochondriac]

Silly thing to do. Sell almost every other player but not Davies and certainly not for 1.3 million.

[warsash saint]

I can just about accept that Davies is going BUT for for £1.3 million...thats just criminal :mad:

[the scud]

Shame a real shame, thought he would have a much bigger price tag something in the region of £4 million but for all we know their could be something in his contract which allows him to go to a Premier League club for £1.3 million or if we didn't get promoted last season.

[NickG]

On the radio JP confirmed that his agent is in talks with Stoke and said it was out of his hands as the player wants to leave and has asked to.

Presenter said he believed it was a clause in his contract.

Although want him to stay be wary after recent false posts of slagging club/board off until we know the facts please.

[adriansfc]

I don't think he's anywhere near the player people on him make him out to be, BUT, he will be missed and we'll need a replacement. I imagine JP will just use Raccine/Lancashire though.

Don't know why people are surprised. This is our situation. If there's a reasonable bid, people will leave. We're trying to get back to a vaguely sensible financial position. All we can do is get behind Jan and whoever we have on the pitch. The finances suck, but we're doing what we can to fix it, it's just a crappy situation. Probably the price of staying up so long, and of course, wasting so many resources in our first couple of CCC years, but there we go.

[Saint Martini]

He was one of our better defenders and its a shame he's gone but I agree with adriansfc that he's not as good as he's been made out to be. He's pretty much got legendary status because he was not as bad as the rest of the team last year. But in the end this sale was probably necessary as well, we needed some cash and with Rasiak, Saga and Viafara not bringing in any fees and Skacel still here we needed to sell someone else. I do hope that a replacement is brought in although maybe we should go for a fullback in stead.

[Saint_Jonny]

Not really enjoying being a Saints fan anymore. Grumph.

[Chez]

any positives I took from Svensson coming back have been removed by this news. I don't understand why we would put a claus in a contract allowing him to leave for 30% more han we signed him for. Gutted.

[Papa Shango]

Absolutely gutted. Davies is the one player we should have kept above everyone else. Perry and Svensson won't be able to play every game this season, so we'll struggle when they are out now. Lowe is taking us down again.

[Wade Garrett]

If true, (nothing concrete to go on yet) I would of course be absolutely gutted to lose him, but one player does not make a team. Either we sulk about it, or we deal with it and move on.

In other words, we just put up with any amount of ****e and just get on with it.

Forgive me if I don't agree with you.

[NickG]

what do you suggest -support skates -they have lots of money and don't need to sell as many?

[Dicko]

If true, (nothing concrete to go on yet) I would of course be absolutely gutted to lose him, but one player does not make a team. Either we sulk about it, or we deal with it and move on.

Do you ever say anything controversial or confrontational?

[Papa Shango]

what do you suggest -support skates -they have lots of money and don't need to sell as many?

So should we just blindly accept everything the club does and never question anything?

[Mr Saints]

£1.3 million? Daylight robbery.

[NickG]

no, its right to question or be upset but doesn't do any harm to balance with odd facts or realism about players wanting to play in top division or us being broke

[NickG]

£1.3 million? Daylight robbery.

never were going to get much more than we paid to premiesrship side

[Wade Garrett]

what do you suggest -support skates -they have lots of money and don't need to sell as many?

No, I don't suggest that. The club seems to be taking our support for granted - everyone has their breaking point and I have very real fears about the future of the club.

[NickG]

the club can take my support for granted, they are the only club I will support

[wadesmith]

I'm sorry but this is a joke,f things get any worse I gurantee I will be ripping up my mates season ticket.

[Wade Garrett]

the club can take my support for granted, they are the only club I will support


I wouldn't support another club either. What's your point?

[Chez]

never were going to get much more than we paid to premiesrship side

why the hell not? Cardiff signed Chopra from Newcastle here he failed to make the grade (or earn a shirt), he then shined in the CCC and went for over £6m.

OK so he's a striker so perhaps the value is slightly higher, but how about Higginbottom going to Sunderland for £3m?

[aintforever]

You have to worry about our future if we sell him for that little. We did OK today but our squad is wafer thin, cashing in on Davies will prove to be a big mistake IMO.

[wadesmith]

any positives I took from Svensson coming back have been removed by this news. I don't understand why we would put a claus in a contract allowing him to leave for 30% more han we signed him for. Gutted.


Mate we can't put a claus in the contract...claus is gone...you've got to live in the now dude.

[Causer]

what possible hope have we of staying up if we sell our best player

[Saint_clark]

Absolutely gutted. Davies is the one player we should have kept above everyone else. Perry and Svensson won't be able to play every game this season, so we'll struggle when they are out now. Lowe is taking us down again.

Completely agree.

[Minty]

Do you ever say anything controversial or confrontational?

That depends on whether you agree with my opinion or not, however I just don't see the point in all these emotional extremes that fly about claming our world will end just because one player might be sold. Jeez, get a grip. Life goes on.

[adriansfc]

Absolutely gutted. Davies is the one player we should have kept above everyone else. Perry and Svensson won't be able to play every game this season, so we'll struggle when they are out now. Lowe is taking us down again.

Are you ****ing serious?

I know how retarded you usually are, but really?

I'll ask for the thousandth time, what the hell else are we supposed to do? Don't tell me - Keep best players, magically have more money, brilliant. Thank **** it's not you in charge.

[adriansfc]

Where exactly is this aspect of choice everyone seems to be suggesting?

He's going because we have no money, we'd risk administration to keep him, he wants to go, and supposedly it's written in his contract he can leave for a prem club. Yet still we get the ridiculous drivel about Saints "Deciding" to sell their best player. Evil Lowe deliberately trying to harm the club yeah? Grow up ffs.

[saint_ed]

Abolutely gutted. He and Surman were the two players we MUST have kept for this season. Sell all of the others to recover some funds.

He was in the stands at Stoke's game today. I expect it to be confirmed on monday. :( Suicidal move by Saints.

[Thedelldays]

Abolutely gutted. He and Surman were the two players we MUST have kept for this season. Sell all of the others to recover some funds.

He was in the stands at Stoke's game today. I expect it to be confirmed on monday. :( Suicidal move by Saints.
they have NO CHOICE

[saintkiptanui]

Not really enjoying being a Saints fan anymore. Grumph.I did today.

[Saint_clark]

I did today.

You've suddenly gone from being a miserable b*stard to enjoying it - what happened?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Below pasted from os,



Poortvliet was asked about rumours linking defender Andrew Davies with a move to Stoke and said: "I have heard the rumours but I am not sure exactly what is happening there.
"I have not chance to see him play yet so I don't know too much about him but I think he may have spoken to them but I am not sure



Does that not tell everyone what is going on here and who is calling shots on the playing side.

We all undertand we have to sell players but not to tell the head coach...
bit of joke really and for £1.3m..dear oh dear!!!

[stpedro]

Where exactly is this aspect of choice everyone seems to be suggesting?

He's going because we have no money, we'd risk administration to keep him, he wants to go, and supposedly it's written in his contract he can leave for a prem club. Yet still we get the ridiculous drivel about Saints "Deciding" to sell their best player. Evil Lowe deliberately trying to harm the club yeah? Grow up ffs.

Agree totally with this. It is hugely frustrating for the fans of course, but we don't exactly have many options. I would imagine that any player with ambition would have a look at the club in the state that it is in financially, reason whether it would be beneficial for his future to stay here, and then take the obvious option that is earning more money at a different club, in a higher league. How many of us wouldn't do that?
The other problem we have is that other clubs know that we have to sell and will therefore not bump the price up. Those thinking he would go for 4M are in cloud cuckoo land, he's not that good, 2M would have probably been as much as any club would offer and then only just before the transfer deadline.
And judging by the fact they got stuffed by Bolton who didn't know what the net was last season, we'll see Davies back in this division this time next year. And yes, we will be in it too.

[Wes Tender]

I'm seriously p*ssed off and had better wait until tomorrow morning before I say something out of anger rather than through clear thought.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

So who is it going to be next?

John?
Davis?
Scacel?
Thomas?
Euell???
Surman?

When they are all gone do we start selling the best youngsters

Spiderman
Gillett

[Wes Tender]

And yes, we will be in it too.

No we won't. We'll be in league one.

[Whitey Grandad]

So who is it going to be next?

John?
Davis?
Scacel?
Thomas?
Euell???
Surman?

When they are all gone do we start selling the best youngsters

Spiderman
Gillett

I heard a rumour, no more, that Euell was up at Sunderland training all week with a view to a move. Has anybody else heard anything?

[WATERSIDEIFASAINT]

Well you can understand why 8000+ fans including myself stayed at home today.Totally fed up with Saints.If Davies goes I will go very little this season unless some loans or new signings are brought in.Worryingly I'm falling out of love with Saints and the defeats are starting to hurt less.In one way if relegation led to a takeover then that may be the only hope for Saints.Lowe and Wilde aren't going to save us from relegation and the only long term hope is investment imo

Selling players like Davies will not get the fans back.At this stage I plan to go to St Marys less as I hate seeing Saints lose week in week out and although they will try with a wafer thin squad we will lose most games and certainly be relegated.Yes they are playing better this season but i fear we will regularly play pretty well but end up losing.

Football is a results only business the result is key and how will the kids morale cope if we lose the next 3/4 games

[Whitey Grandad]

Well you can understand why 8000+ fans including myself stayed at home today.Totally fed up with Saints.If Davies goes I will go very little this season unless some loans or new signings are brought in.Worryingly I'm falling out of love with Saints and the defeats are starting to hurt less.In one way if relegation led to a takeover then that may be the only hope for Saints.Lowe and Wilde aren't going to save us from relegation and the only long term hope is investment imo

Selling players like Davies will not get the fans back.At this stage I plan to go to St Marys less as I hate seeing Saints lose week in week out and although they will try with a wafer thin squad we will lose most games and certainly be relegated.Yes they are playing better this season but i fear we will regularly play pretty well but end up losing.

Football is a results only business the result is key and how will the kids morale cope if we lose the next 3/4 games

There speaks the voice of reason. Why is it that other clubs get relegated from the PL and everybody tips them for instant promotion beause of the 'parachute payments' whereas we fritter away ours on Woodward and dithering?

[Saint Charlie]

There speaks the voice of reason. Why is it that other clubs get relegated from the PL and everybody tips them for instant promotion beause of the 'parachute payments' whereas we fritter away ours on Woodward and dithering?

Can't we just move on now?

[St Marco]

If Lowe has sold him for £1.3m then i am in total disbelief. Sure he has been injured for a few months but he is worth a hell of a lot more then that, christ even Thomas cost more then Davies. Total shock if this happens.

[slickmick]

I don't think he's anywhere near the player people on him make him out to be, BUT, he will be missed and we'll need a replacement. I imagine JP will just use Raccine/Lancashire though.

Don't know why people are surprised. This is our situation. If there's a reasonable bid, people will leave. We're trying to get back to a vaguely sensible financial position. All we can do is get behind Jan and whoever we have on the pitch. The finances suck, but we're doing what we can to fix it, it's just a crappy situation. Probably the price of staying up so long, and of course, wasting so many resources in our first couple of CCC years, but there we go.


Dead right unfortunately.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

If Lowe has sold him for £1.3m then i am in total disbelief. Sure he has been injured for a few months but he is worth a hell of a lot more then that, christ even Thomas cost more. Total shock if this happens.

If there's a clause in his contract to sell him to a Prem side then there's not much Lowe could do about it. If it's a panic sale just to raise money then, at £1.3m, we've undersold by a long way and those sanctioning the deal need to be shot.

If we didn't know it before, then we know now this is going to be a LONG and difficult season.

[Matthew Le God]

even Thomas cost more

no he didn't

[St Marco]

no he didn't

Yes he did.....

Thomas cost £1.2m and Davies joined on 3 month loan deal with a view to a £1m permanent fee. Seeing as he joined and the actual fee was classified as undisclosed that would generally mean less was paid because if they had a deal for £1m why would it increase all of a sudden?
So yes Thomas did cost more then Davies.

[derry]

Yes he did.....

Thomas cost £1.2m and Davies joined on 3 month loan deal with a view to a £1m permanent fee. Seeing as he joined and the actual fee was classified as undisclosed that would generally mean less was paid because if they had a deal for £1m why would it increase all of a sudden?
So yes Thomas did cost more then Davies.

This is correct.

[samoakley]

Well im pretty sure he would fail the medical so he would not be able to sign untill he is fully fit which wont be for another 2 or 3 weeks i thought.

Like other people my love for this club is fading how can you have favouite players when all they do is leave within a year if there decent lowe is ruining this club.

[saintkiptanui]

Well im pretty sure he would fail the medical so he would not be able to sign untill he is fully fit which wont be for another 2 or 3 weeks i thought.

Like other people my love for this club is fading how can you have favouite players when all they do is leave within a year if there decent lowe is ruining this club.My love for the club returned today.

[Papa Shango]

Are you ****ing serious?

I know how retarded you usually are, but really?

I'll ask for the thousandth time, what the hell else are we supposed to do? Don't tell me - Keep best players, magically have more money, brilliant. Thank **** it's not you in charge.

Didn't think it would take long for you to chip in. You are a sad pathetic lonely clueless moron. You seem to think your quite intelligent and people value your contributions, but you really haven't got a clue about anything. I know someone who's met you and he said you're a complete saddo in real life as well. Please kindly **** off and die. We've lost our (IMO) best player and our performance on the pitch could suffer as a result, which could leave us relegated. If we go down we'll most likely be in a much worse position financially than if we stay up and had kept Davies.

[Saint Charlie]

Stoke local paper:

STOKE boss Tony Pulis cushioned the blow of today's 3-1 loss at Bolton by revealing that Southampton's 23-year-old defender Andrew Davies could soon become the club's fourth signing of the summer.
Speaking after seeing his side succumb to three first-half goals in today's momentous Premier League opener, Pulis disclosed: "We are speaking to Southampton and we have agreed a deal with them.
"He's got good experience, but is also a young lad with good legs.
"You need that in the Premier League, but we will see because the deal is not finalised yet.
"We also need to get a bit more Premier League experience in and we have been working hard to do that."
Davies, who can play left-back or centre-half, was watching from the stands at The Reebok this afternoon as Stoke blew a decent start to the day by conceding three goals in the space of 13 first-half minutes.

[Jimmy Gabriel's Halo]

Player of the season practically given away.
Less than 19,000 for first home game against what is possibly one of the better sides in this division and probable odds on for a direct return to the Prem.
Last one out turn out the lights please.

[Mr Tickle]

That depends on whether you agree with my opinion or not, however I just don't see the point in all these emotional extremes that fly about claming our world will end just because one player might be sold. Jeez, get a grip. Life goes on.


Honestly Minty, ****ing hell when will you get off the f-ing fence???!!!
For fu cks sake, climb down from you pathetic middle ground and realise we are deeper in the sh it than you will ever think! Do you smoke drugs?

[Minty]

Honestly Minty, ****ing hell when will you get off the f-ing fence???!!!
For fu cks sake, climb down from you pathetic middle ground and realise we are deeper in the sh it than you will ever think! Do you smoke drugs?

Pathetic middle ground? lol... I call it how I see it... and the way I see it, losing Davies will be a big blow, but we've lost players who we thought were irreplaceable before and done fine. You're entitled to your opinion, leave me to have mine. How anyone can claim to know what is going to happen is beyond me, and for you to claim any different is ridiculous.

I wouldn't normally lower myself, but as you want me to come off the fence however, I'll say this:

F*ck off and take your patronising sh!t with you.

On a more general note, how f*cking pathetic are we all for getting into these slanging matches over football. I for one don't need it, and if it continues then I'll probably just f*ck off again and let the site degenerate into the **** we had before. Seriously, take a look at this thread and some of the self-righteous w@nkers on it and decide for yourself. Seemingly we're not happy unless we're b!tching at each other and it's so utterly pathetic.

[St_Tel49]

Well im pretty sure he would fail the medical so he would not be able to sign untill he is fully fit which wont be for another 2 or 3 weeks i thought.

Like other people my love for this club is fading how can you have favouite players when all they do is leave within a year if there decent lowe is ruining this club.
Do you seriously think that anything different would have happened had Crouch still been in charge. I don't think that a lot of people have fully grasped yet that it is the bank that is calling the shots.

[Gordon Mockles]

Absolutely unbelievable. I am livid.

So, Safri gone. Now they've sold the last remaining player of noticable talent (not wishing to insult the other players but these 2 were the difference to our squad imho, bar Killer). In the alleged Andy Davies sale, we have lost our best player and the board have gone against all they have stated - keeping young, hungry, talented players. He was the epitome of committment and hunger, the untruthful words the board mentioned "the club were so keen to keep and develop". We all know their words are meaningless. They should just not speak, then we'd know they're not lying.

I am astounded but not totally surprised. Lowe's Lowe and any player who is saleable will be sold. We knew that but feared this decision was too ludicrous for even Wilde and Lowe to sanction. I just fail to understand why when we have no back up and what help 500k is when we could get so much more for Davies. Svensson is risky (great to see him back today, must admit) and Perry good for back up. Thomas is so so. From a weak area of the squad (defence - today showed how frail we are at FULL BACK POSITIONS as I have continuously bemoaned but nothing is done to rectify the situation, the opposite), why weaken it more, not even considering our terrible injury record and our physio who seems to lay players off twice as long as many clubs.

Ridiculous decision to sell and terrible timing. Cynical but astute (I feel) with the timing. Season tickets sold, season starts, (they've known he was going for ages, hence no appearances. Let us not forget, he only fractured a cheeky bone, not muscular injury), no friendlies for Davies, Davies SOLD. Unreal!! Massive risk on Svensson and a ludicrous gamble. Least they learnt from Delgado, esq. (Don't gamble on injury risk players)

I am very concerened how the OS states Poortvliet didn't know about it which, again, brings up that worrying thought - who is meddling with affairs and transfers and WHY does the head coach NOT KNOW player transfer movements?! (esp. of his best players) If all is true. I suspect it is. Is Jan that laid back a yes man to not be concerned?! Has Lowe got some incriminating photos of Jan?! I don't understand how the management have this hold over Poortvliet or why he is happy to accept this treatment. I would be fuming and the fact that he is not (in the press anyway) reacting worries me greatly.

The attendance wasn't great today and the camel's back has probably been broken several times with our shambolic club management but this will certainly add to the St Mary's gloom and discontent which (sorry to say) will inevtiably envelop our sorry club. What a joke!

We could have got 4-5 million (more in the future as he's only 23) for Andrew as he's a quality defender, strong, committed, strong in the air and a leader (something we have lacked for too long) in defence and they are hard to come by, especially in the Championhip. I do hope the management realise the damage to the club this move has caused and the huge implications and expected aftermath. They obviously don't give a sh*t about the general fans, that much is clear. 1.5 Million for our best player is a scandal. I thought money was a problem so why are we selling the family silver for the first derisory offer that comes along!?!

SHOCKING!! My pre-season optimism lasted until....today. I enjoyed some of our passing and movement today. Was a joy on occasions and we missed some good chances. Although, I disagree with Jan in that I thought we passed better first half, not second. Also, second half we showed our lack of experience, tiredness and didn't seem to have a centre forward (or no-one in position) or any attacking prowess which seemed crazy seeing as we were losing. We have strikers yet none on the bench. CRAZY! That final third thing again. We passed flank to flank, had huge holes in the middle of the park and lost it more often second half and seemed to get terrorised in the full back positions (esp. against Surman who may have been figured out now - not a defender, slow and not a natural ball winner). Not being smug but expected really, when you consider we desperately NEEDED FULL BACKS, are critically short in defence and have now, apparently, sold our best defender (bar Svensson which wasn't planned anyway). We need more experience and battling, ball winners who aren't out-muscled. We will improve but we don't have time to gamble, but we knew this already. I was pleased with the passing and movement in stages but we did confirm my reservations today, we are too young and inexperienced and frequently out-muscled and pushed off the ball.

We need a takeover as this management team will finish our club off. Shambolic decision to sell Davies and the final 2 fingers to the fans imho.

Very, VERY disappointed!

[St Marco]

I think what a few people are missing here is that it isn't just losing a player it is losing a massive chunk of our already thin defence. Svensson cant play every game and when we get those weeks were there are 3 games he could maybe only play one. It is likely he will get injured at somepoint then we are left with just Perry. This season we were always going to struggle for goals but if we start shipping loads of goals too then we really will be up against it. If this happens and is for the numbers quoted i would assume things must be really bad and that nothing has actually changed financial wise sine Wilde and Lowe returned.

[corky morris]

Very disapointed indeed about this one.
Just imagine if we had not bought those share's back when Lowe was last in charge we may have bought a proper centre half to replace Killer or allowed David Moyes to appoint his own asistant?
Cut our cloth - what rubbish - Lowe got us into this mess & he is only interested in defending what little shares he has acquired as chairman.
One thing is for sure. I will be studying our accounts with great vigour when they are available. How much is Lowe & Cowen taking out?

[stknowle]

Regardless of possible release clauses etc this really is depressing. Oh wait a minute, If the sale is enforced by such a clause and we wouldn't have sold if the clause didn't exist then we'll no doubt be spending all the money on a replacement(s), so its not that bad after all. :-({|=

[NickG]

I agree with the disappointment and a lot of your points but


Absolutely unbelievable. I am livid.

So, Safri gone. Now they've sold the last remaining player of noticable talent (not wishing to insult the other players but these 2 were the difference to our squad imho, bar Killer). In the alleged Andy Davies sale, we have lost our best player and the board have gone against all they have stated - keeping young, hungry, talented players. He was the epitome of committment and hunger, the untruthful words the board mentioned "the club were so keen to keep and develop". We all know their words are meaningless. They should just not speak, then we'd know they're not lying.

I am astounded but not totally surprised. Lowe's Lowe and any player who is saleable will be sold. We knew that but feared this decision was too ludicrous for even Wilde and Lowe to sanction. I just fail to understand why when we have no back up and what help 500k is when we could get so much more for Davies. Svensson is risky (great to see him back today, must admit) and Perry good for back up. Thomas is so so. From a weak area of the squad (defence - today showed how frail we are at FULL BACK POSITIONS as I have continuously bemoaned but nothing is done to rectify the situation, the opposite), why weaken it more, not even considering our terrible injury record and our physio who seems to lay players off twice as long as many clubs.

Ridiculous decision to sell and terrible timing. this is the busiest time for transfers for all clubsCynical but astute (I feel) with the timing. Season tickets sold, season starts, (they've known he was going for ages, hence no appearances. Let us not forget, he only fractured a cheeky bone, not muscular injury), no friendlies for Davies, Davies SOLD. Unreal!! Massive risk on Svensson and a ludicrous gamble. Least they learnt from Delgado, esq. (Don't gamble on injury risk players)

I am very concerened how the OS states Poortvliet didn't know about it which, again, brings up that worrying thought - who is meddling with affairs and transfers and WHY does the head coach NOT KNOW player transfer movements?! (esp. of his best players) If all is true. I suspect it is. Is Jan that laid back a yes man to not be concerned?! Has Lowe got some incriminating photos of Jan?! I don't understand how the management have this hold over Poortvliet or why he is happy to accept this treatment. I would be fuming and the fact that he is not (in the press anyway) reacting worries me greatly.

The attendance wasn't great today and the camel's back has probably been broken several times with our shambolic club management but this will certainly add to the St Mary's gloom and discontent which (sorry to say) will inevtiably envelop our sorry club. What a joke!

We could have got 4-5 million why did we get him for £1m only a handful of games ago from a premiesrship team? We are a cash strpped CCC team -don't think we were likely to get more(more in the future as he's only 23) for Andrew as he's a quality defender, strong, committed, strong in the air and a leader (something we have lacked for too long) in defence and they are hard to come by, especially in the Championhip. I do hope the management realise the damage to the club this move has caused and the huge implications and expected aftermath. They obviously don't give a sh*t about the general fans, that much is clear. 1.5 Million for our best player is a scandal. I thought money was a problem so why are we selling the family silver for the first derisory offer that comes along!?!

SHOCKING!! My pre-season optimism lasted until....today. I enjoyed some of our passing and movement today. Was a joy on occasions and we missed some good chances. Although, I disagree with Jan in that I thought we passed better first half, not second. Also, second half we showed our lack of experience, tiredness and didn't seem to have a centre forward (or no-one in position) or any attacking prowess which seemed crazy seeing as we were losing. We have strikers yet none on the bench. CRAZY! That final third thing again. We passed flank to flank, had huge holes in the middle of the park and lost it more often second half and seemed to get terrorised in the full back positions (esp. against Surman who may have been figured out now - not a defender, slow and not a natural ball winner). Not being smug but expected really, when you consider we desperately NEEDED FULL BACKS, are critically short in defence and have now, apparently, sold our best defender (bar Svensson which wasn't planned anyway). We need more experience and battling, ball winners who aren't out-muscled. We will improve but we don't have time to gamble, but we knew this already. I was pleased with the passing and movement in stages but we did confirm my reservations today, we are too young and inexperienced and frequently out-muscled and pushed off the ball.

We need a takeover as this management team will finish our club off. Shambolic decision to sell Davies and the final 2 fingers to the fans imho.

Very, VERY disappointed!

[sidthesquid]

I'm gutted but what choice is there? We couldn't give Euell or Thomas away in a raffle, Skacel would rather sit in the stands and count his money than take a pay cut to play elsewhere, we couldn't actually persuade anyone to buy Rasiak or Saganowski and now it looks like Surman is on his way, too. I think the sheer scale of our up-sh1t-creekedness is finally becoming apparent and the more I think about those maniacs last year (Crouch & Burley) blowing our future on that bunch of overpaid over-30s who are worse than valueless and we are still lumbered with, the angrier I become. But I am a true supporter & I will keep going to support them come what may, not sit at home dreaming of some 'investment' that may save us whilst failing the club you supposedely support when their need is greatest.

[washsaint]

If there is a clause in his contract stating we have to let him talk to Prem clubs then what can anyone do about it? Except blame the muppets who negotiated that clause in the first place!

This will be a big blow but hopefully we can get 1 or 2 other players in on the back of it. An experienced striker who can play on his own up front and an experienced CB and we should be fine.

[red robbo]

i spoke to davies' brother a couple of weeks ago in town and he told me that rupes was trying to flog andrew off even though he is happy here! well done rupes its gonna be a long hard season

[Faz]

i spoke to davies' brother a couple of weeks ago in town and he told me that rupes was trying to flog andrew off even though he is happy here! well done rupes its gonna be a long hard season

Perhaps we simply can't afford him, or the next installment on his transfer fee?

[Toadhall Saint]

I'm hoping this is part of a bigger plan - eg getting some other cheaper option as cover. But I doubt it. Not only do we look short up front - we now look very short in the defensive dept. It looks to me that we won't outscore or out defend the opposition this season and that does not bode well.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Fruckin joke if we sell IMO one of our best players.

I can bear shifting (or trying to shift) the likes of Gregorz, Saga, Euell, Skacel et al but when it comes to 'young players' who fit the bill of what JP is trying to build, it beggers belief.

We cannot rely on Thomas, Svenson and Perry as our CB's this year. While solid, there is no pace and injury problems will cause major issues.

2 games, 2 hurtful defeats, 1 player pretty much gone (Davies) another rumoured to be going (Surman).

Frucking sheet

[FMPR]

Davies has a sell on clause as well so its not even full £!.3m

[Long Shot]

Below pasted from os,



Poortvliet was asked about rumours linking defender Andrew Davies with a move to Stoke and said: "I have heard the rumours but I am not sure exactly what is happening there.
"I have not chance to see him play yet so I don't know too much about him but I think he may have spoken to them but I am not sure



Does that not tell everyone what is going on here and who is calling shots on the playing side.

We all undertand we have to sell players but not to tell the head coach...
bit of joke really and for £1.3m..dear oh dear!!!


What concerns me is I doubt Rupert Lowe knows that much about AD's playing abilities, having hardly seen him play. Could it be that it appears his fee is not realistic? As JP is not calling the shots here we could have a case of Rupert Lowe dropping a clanger. If we need to sell so be it but's lets get a proper fee.

[benjii]

No, no, no.

Rupert Lowe is amazing at player negotiations.

It says so here:

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/index.php?page_id=8873

[Yate Saint]

Such a shame to see him go. But if he doesnt want to play for us then its probably better he goes. I thought he was a bit injury prone anyway. On the bright side of things, he played 25 odd games for us. That is nothing really and even then he didnt play in our last few games, in which we managed to survive on.

[trousers]

I'm hoping this is part of a bigger plan

Bigger plan = avoid administration

[Faz]

What concerns me is I doubt Rupert Lowe knows that much about AD's playing abilities, having hardly seen him play. Could it be that it appears his fee is not realistic? As JP is not calling the shots here we could have a case of Rupert Lowe dropping a clanger. If we need to sell so be it but's lets get a proper fee.

It would seem we are getting more than we paid for him, despite his poor injury record.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It would seem we are getting more than we paid for him, despite his poor injury record.

How do you assess what a player is worth ? it all just a matter of market forces and footballing opinion at the end of the day . In my opinion Andrew Davies is a much better footballer than our previous player of the season ( Chris Baird ) - and we got over £3m for him .

[benjii]

He's one third as good as Rory Delap was when we bought him.

[ottery st mary]

If there is a clause in his contract stating we have to let him talk to Prem clubs then what can anyone do about it? Except blame the muppets who negotiated that clause in the first place!

This will be a big blow but hopefully we can get 1 or 2 other players in on the back of it. An experienced striker who can play on his own up front and an experienced CB and we should be fine.

He said there was a clause, you?

[ottery st mary]

Davies has a sell on clause as well so its not even full £!.3m

Fact or what another poster said?

[saintrich]

If Glenn Loovens is worth £2.5m, then Andrew Davies is worth equally as much...

[Le Goddard]

ok...why dont our share holders stump up 1.5 mill and just keep davies. Theyve hardly put a penny into our club. I cant start thread - if someone could do the honours.

[benjii]

ok...why dont our share holders stump up 1.5 mill and just keep davies. Theyve hardly put a penny into our club. I cant start thread - if someone could do the honours.

Was thinking of starting one, questioning where Wilde's £2million investment went, or whether Lowe and Cowen might want to return their portion of the £563,000 termination payments last time round.

I decided it would probably degenerate into a pointless slagging match though so I will hold off for now!

[alpine_saint]

If there is a clause in his contract stating we have to let him talk to Prem clubs then what can anyone do about it? Except blame the muppets who negotiated that clause in the first place!

This will be a big blow but hopefully we can get 1 or 2 other players in on the back of it. An experienced striker who can play on his own up front and an experienced CB and we should be fine.

If we get only the mooted £1.3m, you can forget any prospect of getting players on the back of it.

[farawaysaint]

This is a horrendous feck up!!!! I'm tired of being objective and accepting the current financial climate. I hate this carp.

[team-saint]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10457

[John B]

There is an interesting article on the OS Site


As described above.


Nothing is as straight forward as we think.


I think the decision to buy Davies and pay him large wages may have been wrong

[NickG]

more a case of career going no-where, couple of dozen decent games in CCC gives opportunity to move on and get premiership football.

People need to remember how few games he played for us, and some were not that impressed after the first two.

I think him and Svensson would have been the best pairing in this division and particularly as young player very sad but where we are

[ALWAYS_SFC]

more a case of career going no-where, couple of dozen decent games in CCC gives opportunity to move on and get premiership football.

People need to remember how few games he played for us, and some were not that impressed after the first two.

I think him and Svensson would have been the best pairing in this division and particularly as young player very sad but where we are

Really?

I can`t remember a bad word said against him.

[ottery st mary]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10457

The club wanted rid and any clarification now is to save face. The coach did not know and has had the rug pulled from under his feet by the team Manager
who hopefully told the Football Chairman or not . I was starting to hope that JP was building the team he wanted and Davies was going to be a very useful addition almost like a massive signing to lift the team.
All we get with every sale is WE HAVE TO. ORLY.

[John B]

The club wanted rid and any clarification now is to save face. The coach did not know and has had the rug pulled from under his feet by the team Manager
who hopefully told the Football Chairman or not . I was starting to hope that JP was building the team he wanted and Davies was going to be a very useful addition almost like a massive signing to lift the team.
All we get with every sale is WE HAVE TO. ORLY.

Why can you not accept what Jan says at face value seems a very likely explanation to me.

Agents would always want their clients to move

He has never seen Davies Play

[NickG]

Really?

I can`t remember a bad word said against him.

don't get me wrong not for a moment slagging him off, think he will be a top player -think first two games he came on as sub and first full game some weren't convinced.

but remember it was what 20 games?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

The club wanted rid and any clarification now is to save face. The coach did not know and has had the rug pulled from under his feet by the team Manager
who hopefully told the Football Chairman or not . I was starting to hope that JP was building the team he wanted and Davies was going to be a very useful addition almost like a massive signing to lift the team.
All we get with every sale is WE HAVE TO. ORLY.

I asked the football chairman about Davies before the game and at first he
said "i don`t know anything about it" and i said "Rupert has just told my friend over there"

I then said "i thought you were the football chairman?"

He was a little embaressed and could not get away fast enough.

As he was leaving i said "who`s next then?"

He said "i can`t comment on transfers"...then scuttled off

If he can`t comment on transfers,who can?

If this does not show Lowe is running everything..lock, stock and barrel
then i don`t know what does.

Mr Wilde you are just being used.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

don't get me wrong not for a moment slagging him off, think he will be a top player -think first two games he came on as sub and first full game some weren't convinced.

but remember it was what 20 games?

The guy is quality...

A player with youth,skill and bags of commitment,just the atributes we all craved for and someone i thought would fit into the so called "new" set up.

Now it seems we are going to sell him on the cheap..:mad:

Players like him put bums on seats.

[NickG]

we would never get much more than we paid for him

1) bought from premiership

2) played 20 odd games in CCC -well enough to be player of seasom

3) going from desperate for cash CCC to premiership club

His value would not have risen much (

[St Marco]

don't get me wrong not for a moment slagging him off, think he will be a top player -think first two games he came on as sub and first full game some weren't convinced.

but remember it was what 20 games?

I get what your saying Nickh but i think we have to be honest here rather then try and run damage control as such. He came here on loan 1st and went straight into the side which he was motm. He then played really well helping to stop our defensive rot we were in. We then took up the option to sign him when we had no money. He went on to be 1 of only 2 players to really do well last season winning the player of the year award (other being John).
I see nothing in his personality that would make me think he is the type of player who would demand a move or anything like that, on the contrary he has made many comments about wanting to play here for a longtime and even looked dead cert to be club captain.
Obviously when it happens the OS will put the usual "we couldn't stand in his way of playing Premiership football" like we have seen so many times. Which translated probably means "£1.5m or about £1m depending on sell on clause was too good to turn down!".

So where you say 20 games that doesn't make much sense to me because in those 20 games he was majority of the time our best player....

[ottery st mary]

Why can you not accept what Jan says at face value seems a very likely explanation to me.

Agents would always want their clients to move

He has never seen Davies Play

His first quote or the very muddled clarification? Don't worry, I am a true fan and have no axe to grind with any of these Directors.
I was disappointed when Pearson went, when Woggy went and no doubt more disappointment TO COME from my daughter when Surman goes. I will even get over it when Davies goes but please do not try to tell me that our coach knows what is going on around him as I believe he was totally in the dark which is very worrying.
No argument with any of my fellow posters just my opinion about the state of our club.

My opinion and all that. I still live in hope.

[John B]

His first quote or the very muddled clarification? Don't worry, I am a true fan and have no axe to grind with any of these Directors.
I was disappointed when Pearson went, when Woggy went and no doubt more disappointment TO COME from my daughter when Surman goes. I will even get over it when Davies goes but please do not try to tell me that our coach knows what is going on around him as I believe he was totally in the dark which is very worrying.
No argument with any of my fellow posters just my opinion about the state of our club.

My opinion and all that. I still live in hope.

I disagree with your opinion because you have no idea what is going on on at SFC and his complete conjecture.

However you may be right but all logic tells me you are wrong.


Organisations I would have thought consult with people in them all the time I just want SFC to stablise and become relatively successful.

Like you I am not very happy about the situation but hope for the best at least Pompey lost 4 0

[Whitey Grandad]

He has never seen Davies Play

Then is he the right man for the job?

[John B]

Then is he the right man for the job?

Well if Davies has been injured since March how could he see him play

[ottery st mary]

I disagree with your opinion because you have no idea what is going on on at SFC and his complete conjecture.

However you may be right but all logic tells me you are wrong.


Organisations I would have thought consult with people in them all the time I just want SFC to stablise and become relatively successful.

Like you I am not very happy about the situation but hope for the best at least Pompey lost 4 0

As a fan of Southampton I have never been right yet, as The Chairman has told me on a regular basis but then again I do not think he has always been right and he has proved that may times but I suppose that is his perogative.
Thats my logic and only my humble opinion
My other logic is that the Football Chairman should be running the Football side but does not always seem to be on the loop. I am sure Mr Wilde will tell us differently but I did think JP would have a fair crack of the whip but now appears to have his hands tied behind his back.
Bearing this all in mind I might have it totally wrong as they do not allow me in the loop as I am outside the organisation except when they invite me in on match days. Anyway I leave you in peace as I know its not your fault and we both obviously enjoyed Pompei coming second best.

[John B]

As a fan of Southampton I have never been right yet, as The Chairman has told me on a regular basis but then again I do not think he has always been right and he has proved that may times but I suppose that is his perogative.
Thats my logic and only my humble opinion
My other logic is that the Football Chairman should be running the Football side but does not always seem to be on the loop. I am sure Mr Wilde will tell us differently but I did think JP would have a fair crack of the whip but now appears to have his hands tied behind his back.
Bearing this all in mind I might have it totally wrong as they do not allow me in the loop as I am outside the organisation except when they invite me in on match days. Anyway I leave you in peace as I know its not your fault and we both obviously enjoyed Pompei coming second best.

Yes I know I just feel I am tapping away here waiting for something good to happen and nothing really good has happened to SFC since December 2003 when we were fourth in the Premiership.

[alpine_saint]

Well if Davies has been injured since March how could he see him play

DVDs and VCRs banned in Holland ?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Yes I know I just feel I am tapping away here waiting for something good to happen and nothing really good has happened to SFC since December 2003 when we were fourth in the Premiership.

You are right..

Mr lowe had the chance to move us forward with some investment
in the team,but we stood still and everyone else overtook us.

That was the trigger factor in our decline.

[Saint Martini]

DVDs and VCRs banned in Holland ?

Watching someone play is much more helpfull then watching DVD's en VCR's which I'm sure Poortvliet did already. The problem with videofootage is that it isn't focussed at one player so you don't get the total picture of how he played.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Glad to see Lowe has the same high aspirations for this club that he always has done!

Why sell what is possibly our best player? Yes his wages are high, but so are Skacel's, get shot of him rather than Davies Lowe you plank!

[John B]

You are right..

Mr lowe had the chance to move us forward with some investment
in the team,but we stood still and everyone else overtook us.

That was the trigger factor in our decline.

I am sorry but I really need convincing that there was money available to move us forward.

Unfortunately nobody wants Skacel which is not a surpise really

[Thedelldays]

Glad to see Lowe has the same high aspirations for this club that he always has done!

Why sell what is possibly our best player? Yes his wages are high, but so are Skacel's, get shot of him rather than Davies Lowe you plank!
i think the idea of selling someone is that there has to be a buyer the other end...I may be wrong though

[Saint Martini]

Glad to see Lowe has the same high aspirations for this club that he always has done!

Why sell what is possibly our best player? Yes his wages are high, but so are Skacel's, get shot of him rather than Davies Lowe you plank!

Because he wants to leave and because he is one of the high earners. Besides, we're trying to get rid of Skacel, there's just no takers.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Because he wants to leave and because he is one of the high earners. Besides, we're trying to get rid of Skacel, there's just no takers.

Did he tell you personally.

[ottery st mary]

Watching someone play is much more helpfull then watching DVD's en VCR's which I'm sure Poortvliet did already. The problem with videofootage is that it isn't focussed at one player so you don't get the total picture of how he played.

But then again some of the alleged ITKs said that JP had been over watching games before Mr Lowe and Mr Wilde returned. Now I believe he has seen him play more than a few times. That is my honest opinion and if you want me to prove I will need a little time. Just thought it was a strange statement to make particularly as JP would have known Davies was coming back to the squad and would have been an added bonus. Then again he might not have watched any of our games...I wonder.

[Whitey Grandad]

Well if Davies has been injured since March how could he see him play

Don't we have videos of the matches?

[John B]

But then again some of the alleged ITKs said that JP had been over watching games before Mr Lowe and Mr Wilde returned. Now I believe he has seen him play more than a few times. That is my honest opinion and if you want me to prove I will need a little time. Just thought it was a strange statement to make particularly as JP would have known Davies was coming back to the squad and would have been an added bonus. Then again he might not have watched any of our games...I wonder.

So you are now saying JP is not telling the truth.

JP was a full time manager in Holland last year so his trips to Southampton would have been limited

[John B]

Don't we have videos of the matches?

I think we are clutching at straws if Jan says he has not seen Andrew Davies play I would have thought he had not seen him play

[NickG]

we are bottom of CCC, player gets move to premiership, lets not over analyse!

[Saint Martini]

So you are now saying JP is not telling the truth.

JP was a full time manager in Holland last year so his trips to Southampton would have been limited

Dutch second tier matches are mostly played on Fridays, therefore him going to Southampton on Saturdays is not unthinkable.

[Wildgoose]

I think the Bank, and what it dictates, may well have a bigger part to play in this than we realise.....

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

i think the idea of selling someone is that there has to be a buyer the other end...I may be wrong though

Oh you are funny TDD. We should not be selling this guy, regardless of our situation. Lowe should just offer Skacel, Euell etc a mutual termination of their contracts if there are no buyers. This would save us money in the long term.

[Saint Martini]

Did he tell you personally.



His agent has been keen for him to complete a deal away from the Club and if players and agents feel that way then it doesn't help the rest of the team.

I'll take JP's word for it, so far he hasn't said one word of bull**** in the press.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10457

[ottery st mary]

So you are now saying JP is not telling the truth.

JP was a full time manager in Holland last year so his trips to Southampton would have been limited
No but is he sure?

You might be right as the ITKs who defended his appointment by Mr Lowe and kept telling us on this , sorry previous forums, that they had seen him at games? at airport? or have they been mis-leading me. That was the impression they were giving to show that they, The Dutch duo, knew our team and could make team decisions early on. I would never call anyone a liar but thought it was strange. But if that is what he truly says and he has NEVER seen Davies play even for other teams or even when he has watched U19 U21 etc. or that maybe that was Mark Wotte, but then again he might not take his fellow coachs advice .
Confused of the terraces.

[Wade Garrett]

I'll take JP's word for it, so far he hasn't said one word of bull**** in the press.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10457

Personally, I can see through back-tracking and PR bullsh*t. Especially after what he said yesterday.

Face facts, he is just a yes man for Lowe.

[Saint Martini]

Personally, I can see through back-tracking and PR bullsh*t. Especially after what he said yesterday.

Face facts, he is just a yes man for Lowe.

I can't really see the contradiction between what he said yesterday and the statement today. The fact that his statements yesterday caused some confusion made SFC release this statement. I don't see that much bull****, yesterday Poortvliet had been busy with a match and since he himself does not deal with the transfers I don't find it strange that he wasn't exactly sure where the negotiations were at that point in time. He had a match to coach. The reason for this statement to be released was just to clarify that this deal is not being done behind Jans back (something I don't really believe anyway, he knew we were on a very very tight budget so can hardly be surprised so why would you keep it a secret).

To summarize:
1. We and Davies are in negotiations with Stoke but its not a done deal
2. He wants to leave so if its not Stoke then it will probably be someone else he ends up with.
3. Jan was aware of the interest and negotiations but was not exactly sure how the negotiations were going. Something that was sort of clear yesterday as well although they have removed that part of the statement from the Birmingham match report.

[fish fingers]

Oh you are funny TDD. We should not be selling this guy, regardless of our situation. Lowe should just offer Skacel, Euell etc a mutual termination of their contracts if there are no buyers. This would save us money in the long term.

What if they don't accept? And how exactly would it save us money in the long-term, they would want money to cover the salaries they would earn with us.

If Davies wants to go the the premiership then fair play, it's called ambition and lets face it we won't be there for a long time.

[alpine_saint]

we are bottom of CCC, player gets move to premiership, lets not over analyse!

Yeah, heaven forbid....:rolleyes:

[ottery st mary]

we are bottom of CCC, player gets move to premiership, lets not over analyse!

But thats what we are best at, please don't spoil our fun.

[saintwarwick]

Glad to see Lowe has the same high aspirations for this club that he always has done!

Why sell what is possibly our best player? Yes his wages are high, but so are Skacel's, get shot of him rather than Davies Lowe you plank!

We nearly did but the deal fell down with SFC not to blame.

[StubbSaint]

I'll take JP's word for it, so far he hasn't said one word of bull**** in the press.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10457
dutch jokers

[DarrenLeTiss]

What I don't understand is what was Leon Crouch doing as chairman in allowing the wages and fee be paid for Davies in the first place, when it was clear that the club were in financial difficulties. The Same can be said about Euell, if the club had a more prudent approach in the last couple of years, then perhaps we would not be in this mess now.

[NickG]

But thats what we are best at, please don't spoil our fun.

fair enough! ;) so how much exactly is he on??

[saintwarwick]

dutch jokers

Please elaborate, thanks.

[Saint Martini]

Please elaborate, thanks.

DOn't bother reading the elaboration. Its StubbSaint, he won't have a good things to say about Poortvliet if we win promotion. It still is funny though that he refers to them as jokers since there's only one in charge of the first team and only one making a statement on OS. Perhaps he can't count.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Yet more confirmation of this Davies to Stoke rumour :

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/08/17/Premier-League-Pulis-on-Davies/?facets/great-britain-locale/sport-space/football/

[Saint_clark]

I'll take JP's word for it, so far he hasn't said one word of bull**** in the press.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10457

Is it just me or did that not actually clarify very much?

[Charlie Wayman]

If we sell Andrew Davies, it'll be proof positive that Saints are being run by lunatics

[Dicko]

If we sell Andrew Davies, it'll be proof positive that Saints are being run by lunatics

Actually, I think they are called bankers...... (or something like that)

[bayernoatcake]

Is he any good at right back this lad?

[miserableoldgit]

Actually, I think they are called bankers...... (or something like that)
A wunch of....?

[miserableoldgit]

What I don't understand is what was Leon Crouch doing as chairman in allowing the wages and fee be paid for Davies in the first place, when it was clear that the club were in financial difficulties. The Same can be said about Euell, if the club had a more prudent approach in the last couple of years, then perhaps we would not be in this mess now.
Apparently Crouch and "one other" paid the fee themselves to get AD here.

[bayernoatcake]

Also do You think he will cut in the Premier League? Cheers.

[Diplodocus]

Probably in the middle of the defence. Always hard to judge though,Players who look ok at this level sometimes just can't make the jump up.

Haven't got a clue at full-back. Never seen the guy play there.Don't really understand why you'd buy a player like Davies to play at right-back.

[ART]

Selling Davies for 1.5 million and getting Alan Bennett in on a Free from Reading isn't a bad bit of business. You know it makes cents!

[saint_ed]

Selling Davies for 1.5 million and getting Alan Bennett in on a Free from Reading isn't a bad bit of business. You know it makes cents!

Sorry but I have missed where it says we are getting Bennett on a free?

[Legod Second Coming]

If we sell Andrew Davies, it'll be proof positive that Saints are being run by lunatics

You need more proof????

[benjii]

When your own OS crows about becoming a feeder club you know you are in trouble:

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/index.php?page_id=8875

[Delilahs]

Hate to rub it in, but on Delilahs forum it has been posted that Davies was in attendance at our game with Bolton yesterday, if this is the case, then talks are obviously at an advanced stage.

If he is half as good as the last Southampton reject we had, Then he'll do us, and Tony Pulis proud.

Ricci has never played so many games injury free. ;)

[Saint Billy]

Oh you are funny TDD. We should not be selling this guy, regardless of our situation. Lowe should just offer Skacel, Euell etc a mutual termination of their contracts if there are no buyers. This would save us money in the long term.

Or how accept reduced wages and you'll get in the side. Play really well for the next season and put yourself in the shop window to be sold at the end of it.

[saint_ed]

Hate to rub it in, but on Delilahs forum it has been posted that Davies was in attendance at our game with Bolton yesterday, if this is the case, then talks are obviously at an advanced stage.

If he is half as good as the last Southampton reject we had, Then he'll do us, and Tony Pulis proud.

Ricci has never played so many games injury free. ;)

He is twice the professional of Fuller. Oh and by the way, you will get less points then Derby did in the Premiership last season....best of luck ;)