View Full Version : Saints Greatest XI - B-Team Right Side Striker Poll
St Landrew
13-01-2009, 01:45 AM
Quite a few serious nominations, and obviously, quite a few not so serious. For example, anyone who thinks Uwe Rosler was one of the top 4 strikers ever to have appeared for Saints in living memory needs their head examined. And I thought I was the one with the befuddled brain..!
Anyway, to continue. Where several people were mentioned, the first player was taken in account, unless instructed otherwise. There were several neear misses, but this week we have a top 7 of players with more than one nomination. They are:
James Beattie [2]
Phil Boyer [3]
Martin Chivers [2]
Ron Davies [5]
Kevin Keegan [6]
Steve Moran [4]
Marian Pahars [3]
They're a fantastic 7 players to choose from, some being great enough to slot into any team. Please remember that you are voting for one player only, and that the winning candidate cannot be nominated or voted for in the A-Team next week or thereafter. So really we're after the third/fourth best striker ever to appear for Saints in our time. So choose carefully. The poll runs until early Saturday morning.
Big Ron fan
13-01-2009, 07:09 AM
Please, no-one else vote for Ron Davies.
It will make a complete mockery of what has been a very interesting project if he is not in the 1st team.
I'm voting for Marians.
norwaysaint
13-01-2009, 08:10 AM
No more votes for Steve Moran please, he should be in the A team slot.
Thedelldays
13-01-2009, 08:41 AM
what the feck are we voting on now...
SNSUN
13-01-2009, 10:36 AM
assuming ron davies gets voted for in the a team, which by the way Landrew i think we should have done first, then i vote for keegan in this one.
Papa Shango
13-01-2009, 10:40 AM
Wouldn't it have just been easier to do one poll for the strikers with the top two going in the a team and the next two in the b team?
St Landrew
13-01-2009, 11:50 AM
Whether it would have been easier this way or that is of no consequence. You look at the title of the thread, read the instructions and vote. Or you do as TDD does and write a one liner exclaiming confusion. Or just don't vote if you don't want to. It's because I listened to posters differing opinions that we changed the procedure slightly. But of course, I should have known that what pleases one will antagonise another.
Ta.
Panda
13-01-2009, 12:17 PM
Whether it would have been easier this way or that is of no consequence. You look at the title of the thread, read the instructions and vote. Or you do as TDD does and write a one liner exclaiming confusion. Or just don't vote if you don't want to. It's because I listened to posters differing opinions that we changed the procedure slightly. But of course, I should have known that what pleases one will antagonise another.
Ta.
I can tell how you feel, I watch some of this and think 'oh dear, you do your best!'. I think you have done well to keep your patience and to get us this far in some degree of order and towards a sensible outcome. It is only a game after all but sometimes you wonder. I think some people really do think that this is the team we are going to be fielding once we have decided what it is!
Anyway, well done Landrew, as far as I am concerned.
Ponty
13-01-2009, 12:54 PM
What happened to the other nominees?
St Landrew
13-01-2009, 01:23 PM
What happened to the other nominees?
Just shut it, you. ;)
St Landrew
13-01-2009, 01:26 PM
I can tell how you feel, I watch some of this and think 'oh dear, you do your best!'. I think you have done well to keep your patience and to get us this far in some degree of order and towards a sensible outcome. It is only a game after all but sometimes you wonder. I think some people really do think that this is the team we are going to be fielding once we have decided what it is!
Anyway, well done Landrew, as far as I am concerned.
As you're a registered user I can't send you a PM thanks, so it'll have to be here. Ta, for your support and patience, Panda.
JohnnyFartPants
13-01-2009, 02:21 PM
Keegan had a good engine and was box to box and was good enough to lace anyones boots and could rise like a salmon and knew where the onion bag was and played with a smile and loved his mother and was a no nonsence dyed in the wool professional.
Ponty
13-01-2009, 06:00 PM
Keegan had a good engine and was box to box and was good enough to lace anyones boots and could rise like a salmon and knew where the onion bag was and played with a smile and loved his mother and was a no nonsence dyed in the wool professional.
So, who did you vote for?
Kadeem Hardison
13-01-2009, 06:18 PM
Please can no-one else vote for Marian Pahars. He should be in the A team.
Please can no-one else vote for Marian Pahars. He should be in the A team.
Sorry, Pahars was good but Davies was better.
norwaysaint
13-01-2009, 07:05 PM
Is it my imagination or is Ron Davies written in italics in the poll? Is this why so many short memoried want Keegan in instead? Is this a deliberate strategy of St Landrew's to stop us voting for a true saints legend?
Come on everybody! Vote for Ron, he's had it tough enough without becoming saints forgotten man!
paulwantsapint
13-01-2009, 07:27 PM
As this is B team my vote is B-eattie
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Come on everybody! Vote for Ron, he's had it tough enough without becoming saints forgotten man!
Thanks but I intend to vote for Ron Davies when we vote for the last player in the A Team not the B Team!
Wiltshire Saint
13-01-2009, 08:05 PM
Quite a few serious nominations, and obviously, quite a few not so serious. For example, anyone who thinks Uwe Rosler was one of the top 4 strikers ever to have appeared for Saints in living memory needs their head examined.
So you are telling us who is a serious contender and who isn't? Are we not allowed to think for ourselves?
Please, no-one else vote for Ron Davies.
You are entitled to your opinion and your vote, but you cannot force people to follow you.
No more votes for Steve Moran please, he should be in the A team slot.
You are entitled to your opinion and your vote, but you cannot force people to follow you.
assuming ron davies gets voted for in the a team, which by the way Landrew i think we should have done first, then i vote for keegan in this one.
Why would you assume that? Is it because you have been pressured into thinking that that's the way it should be?
Please can no-one else vote for Marian Pahars. He should be in the A team.
You are entitled to your opinion and your vote, but you cannot force people to follow you.
Is it my imagination or is Ron Davies written in italics in the poll? Is this why so many short memoried want Keegan in instead? Is this a deliberate strategy of St Landrew's to stop us voting for a true saints legend?
Come on everybody! Vote for Ron, he's had it tough enough without becoming saints forgotten man!
Just because someone has had a tough time of it is no reason to vote for them.
I'm not sure what's going on here. Is this a serious vote or not? People appear to be telling other people how to vote. This is the kind of thing that would happen in Zimbabwe. I will make my own mind up about who to vote for. My personal belief is that no one should vote for James Beattie because he should be in the first team. I would urge people to NOT vote for Beattie, but unlike others, I fully understand it is your individual decision and I will not try to bully people into doing something they don't want to.
St Landrew
13-01-2009, 09:12 PM
Is it my imagination or is Ron Davies written in italics in the poll? Is this why so many short memoried want Keegan in instead? Is this a deliberate strategy of St Landrew's to stop us voting for a true saints legend?
Come on everybody! Vote for Ron, he's had it tough enough without becoming saints forgotten man!
Let me guess..? You voted for Ron Davies..? ;)
You see, I voted for Kevin Keegan, and only he's in italics when I look at the results so far. It's a thing the Poll does to remind you who you voted if you go back much later to review the results. :D
Atticus Finch of Maycomb
13-01-2009, 09:49 PM
Ron Davies for me, please
jawillwill
13-01-2009, 09:56 PM
So are we picking the 2nd best player from the list? For me it should be Beattie followed by Ron, so I voted Ron.
St Landrew
13-01-2009, 10:17 PM
So are we picking the 2nd best player from the list? For me it should be Beattie followed by Ron, so I voted Ron.
You pick who you damn well please.
dubai_phil
13-01-2009, 10:26 PM
Is it my imagination or is Ron Davies written in italics in the poll? Is this why so many short memoried want Keegan in instead? Is this a deliberate strategy of St Landrew's to stop us voting for a true saints legend?
Come on everybody! Vote for Ron, he's had it tough enough without becoming saints forgotten man!
lol in the IT Industry we have had a long standing mantra called RTFM*.
Seems many on here don't do that and then go off on a rant about democracy.
I agree we SHOULD have had the A team vote first, but then any voter now on here should understand 1) Who THEY want for the Left sided striker in the A Team and 2) Vote tactically so that their chosen A Team player does NOT get in to the B Team...
So yeah - more complicated than it should have been but that's why everyone loves democracy!
*(Read the flippin manual for non-IT types)
Atticus Finch of Maycomb
13-01-2009, 10:36 PM
lol in the IT Industry we have had a long standing mantra called RTFM*.
Seems many on here don't do that and then go off on a rant about democracy.
I agree we SHOULD have had the A team vote first, but then any voter now on here should understand 1) Who THEY want for the Left sided striker in the A Team and 2) Vote tactically so that their chosen A Team player does NOT get in to the B Team...
So yeah - more complicated than it should have been but that's why everyone loves democracy!
*(Read the flippin manual for non-IT types)
and what does RTFM stand for?
dubai_phil
13-01-2009, 10:39 PM
and what does RTFM stand for?
I see what you did there.....:yawinkle:
Deano6
13-01-2009, 11:18 PM
Got to be Ron Davies from that list.
Can I urge everyone else NOT to vote for PHIL BOYER. While I agree he is the best candidate on the list - a true servant of the club and a real legend in every sense of the word - he deserves to be in the A team, so Big Ron comes in second.
Got to be Ron Davies from that list.
Can I urge everyone else NOT to vote for PHIL BOYER. While I agree he is the best candidate on the list - a true servant of the club and a real legend in every sense of the word - he deserves to be in the A team, so Big Ron comes in second.
Now I am confused! Davies scored 97 goals and Boyer got 49 - why does PB deserve to be in the A team ands not RD?
SarniaSaint
13-01-2009, 11:39 PM
If Ron Davies ends up in the B team this poll is seriously flawed.
Cancel this vote now StLandrew.
Deano6
13-01-2009, 11:47 PM
Now I am confused! Davies scored 97 goals and Boyer got 49 - why does PB deserve to be in the A team ands not RD?
Erm, I think 49 goals in 138 apps speaks for itself. Add to that the fact he was the catalyst to our great 1977/8 season where he top scored with 17 goals (many of which made by his own endevours as I recall) which got us promoted to the top flight, not to mention kept us there, and you've really highlighted the reason we were where we were for so long in the 1980s and 1990s. No contest for me.
If Ron Davies ends up in the B team this poll is seriously flawed.
Cancel this vote now StLandrew.
And who the hell are you, sir, to have your opinion as the cut-and-dried final vote-caster in this poll?!?!
Erm, I think 49 goals in 138 apps speaks for itself. Add to that the fact he was the catalyst to our great 1977/8 season where he top scored with 17 goals (many of which made by his own endevours as I recall) which got us promoted to the top flight, not to mention kept us there, and you've really highlighted the reason we were where we were for so long in the 1980s and 1990s. No contest for me.
Phil Boyer was a fine player and, I agree, he did marvels for us - we played some of our best football ever when he was making runs up front.
However, Ron Davies was up there with the best centre forwards in the world.
norwaysaint
14-01-2009, 09:58 AM
However, Ron Davies was up there with the best centre forwards in the world.
Agreed, come on everybody, vote for Ron!
Agreed, come on everybody, vote for Ron!
Not yet!
AndyNorthernSaints
14-01-2009, 04:30 PM
Whether it would have been easier this way or that is of no consequence. You look at the title of the thread, read the instructions and vote. Or you do as TDD does and write a one liner exclaiming confusion. Or just don't vote if you don't want to. It's because I listened to posters differing opinions that we changed the procedure slightly. But of course, I should have known that what pleases one will antagonise another.
Ta.
I agree a thankless task. Problem with it is that some people can't actually read and understand simple instructions.
I voted for Moran and will vote for Ron for first team later.
Atticus Finch of Maycomb
14-01-2009, 06:38 PM
I see what you did there.....:yawinkle:
what does it stand for, though?
Wiltshire Saint
14-01-2009, 06:50 PM
Not yet!
I don't want to appear rude or anything but you seem to be wanting to influence everyone on this thread. Surely the point of a poll is that people are allowed to express THEIR point of view....not the one that you approve of. Now you may want everyone to vote for Ron Davies, but some people may not want to. Why don't you just be happy if people vote for who they want, having given some thought to the candidates? If Ron happens to get the most votes in this poll then sobeit, but it should not be because you have taken it upon yourself to canvass for him.
Thanks.
saint francis
14-01-2009, 07:01 PM
As usual, I'll do as I'm told.
saintwarwick
14-01-2009, 08:40 PM
Whether it would have been easier this way or that is of no consequence. You look at the title of the thread, read the instructions and vote. Or you do as TDD does and write a one liner exclaiming confusion. Or just don't vote if you don't want to. It's because I listened to posters differing opinions that we changed the procedure slightly. But of course, I should have known that what pleases one will antagonise another.
Ta.
Seems a few have found this task too difficult :D Keep up the good work, I've enjoyed this topic right through although I have missed out on a couple of votes through no fault of yours. Keeping my Ron vote for the A-team.
I don't want to appear rude or anything but you seem to be wanting to influence everyone on this thread. Surely the point of a poll is that people are allowed to express THEIR point of view....not the one that you approve of. Now you may want everyone to vote for Ron Davies, but some people may not want to. Why don't you just be happy if people vote for who they want, having given some thought to the candidates? If Ron happens to get the most votes in this poll then sobeit, but it should not be because you have taken it upon yourself to canvass for him.
Thanks.
Yes, i do understand how a poll works - thanks for explaining it to me, though.
However, if you read the preceding replies - Norwaysaint is urging people to vote for Ron Davies to be in the B Team even though he thinks he is the best thing since Stanley Matthews. My 'not yet' was simple guidance to him.
Deppo
14-01-2009, 10:49 PM
Yes, i do understand how a poll works - thanks for explaining it to me, though.
However, if you read the preceding replies - Norwaysaint is urging people to vote for Ron Davies to be in the B Team even though he thinks he is the best thing since Stanley Matthews. My 'not yet' was simple guidance to him.
But Stanley Matthews needs to be in the A Team, therefore Ron Davies goes in the B Team...
But Stanley Matthews needs to be in the A Team, therefore Ron Davies goes in the B Team...
Fair enough - I can't argue with that!
St Landrew
15-01-2009, 12:24 AM
But Stanley Matthews needs to be in the A Team, therefore Ron Davies goes in the B Team...
Getting your stripes mixed up Deppo.
Atticus Finch of Maycomb
15-01-2009, 07:09 AM
Look, I cannot for the life of me understand the people on here - and there's a few of you - saying that Ron Davies shouldn't be in this poll.
Ron was immense for us during his time here, and deserves his place in the poll. If you cannot see/understand that (rpb!!!!!!!!!!) then how can you call youself a saints fan??
This place has gone loopy :rolleyes:
St Landrew
15-01-2009, 09:29 AM
Look, I cannot for the life of me understand the people on here - and there's a few of you - saying that Ron Davies shouldn't be in this poll.
Ron was immense for us during his time here, and deserves his place in the poll. If you cannot see/understand that (rpb!!!!!!!!!!) then how can you call youself a saints fan??
This place has gone loopy :rolleyes:
Then a quick explanation for you, just in case you're not on your usual wind up. And for others who still might not get it.
We have 2 teams. The A-Team, and the B-Team. The A-Team players are the apex of Saints. They are the very best Saints players that people can remember. The B-Team [backup] is for those players who were a gnat's wotsit behind the very best, in terms of quality.
However, what this means is, that in many people's eyes, players like Ron Davies are considered so good that they shouldn't be in the B-Team, and so some posters are advising others not to vote for him this time. Therefore, I've no doubt, that if Kevin Keegan, or someone else wins this B-Team slot, Ron will run away with next week's A-Team's left side striker vote.
Now that couldn't be simpler.
derry
15-01-2009, 09:32 AM
Look, I cannot for the life of me understand the people on here - and there's a few of you - saying that Ron Davies shouldn't be in this poll.
Ron was immense for us during his time here, and deserves his place in the poll. If you cannot see/understand that (rpb!!!!!!!!!!) then how can you call youself a saints fan??
This place has gone loopy :rolleyes:
If Ron is voted in here as the second best right sided striker, he won't be where he should be, as the best LSS in the A team he would be barred. Get it now?
I can guarantee he has enough support to be in that poll provided he doesn't win this one.
Keegan needs more votes to make this happen.
derry
15-01-2009, 09:38 AM
Agreed, come on everybody, vote for Ron!
Which will bar him from the poll to be the best left sided striker in the A team, which in my view he will walk.
All you will succeed in doing, is to make sure he doesn't get in the A team.
norwaysaint
15-01-2009, 09:43 AM
players like Ron Davies are considered so good that they should be in the B-Team,
Now that couldn't be simpler.
This is the point I'm trying to make, but too many are voting for Keegan (good, but not in the same class as Big Ron). Any more of this and Ron will be pushed out for a player who was only with us for a couple of seasons.
Get behind Ron, people! Vote now before it's too late.
St Landrew
15-01-2009, 09:46 AM
This is the point I'm trying to make, but too many are voting for Keegan (good, but not in the same class as Big Ron). Any more of this and Ron will be pushed out for a player who was only with us for a couple of seasons.
Get behind Ron, people! Vote now before it's too late.
Sorry, my whole post was undermined by my writing should, instead of shouldn't. Please read it again.
Ron was immense for us during his time here, and deserves his place in the poll. If you cannot see/understand that (rpb!!!!!!!!!!) then how can you call youself a saints fan??
This place has gone loopy :rolleyes:
I give up!
Ponty
15-01-2009, 12:30 PM
Then a quick explanation for you, just in case you're not on your usual wind up. And for others who still might not get it.
We have 2 teams. The A-Team, and the B-Team. The A-Team players are the apex of Saints. They are the very best Saints players that people can remember. The B-Team [backup] is for those players who were a gnat's wotsit behind the very best, in terms of quality.
However, what this means is, that in many people's eyes, players like Ron Davies are considered so good that they shouldn't be in the B-Team, and so some posters are advising others not to vote for him this time. Therefore, I've no doubt, that if Kevin Keegan, or someone else wins this B-Team slot, Ron will run away with next week's A-Team's left side striker vote.
TBH mate, I can't remember Ron Davies so he probably shouldn't make the A team or the B team as most people here are younger than me.
Deano6
15-01-2009, 02:41 PM
TBH mate, I can't remember Ron Davies so he probably shouldn't make the A team or the B team as most people here are younger than me.
Tbf, you can't remember the name of a left-back who played for us just a few seasons ago!
I've read all the arguments on this thread so far, and I've changed my opinion. I don't think Phil Boyer should get in ahead of Ron Davies any more - rpb makes a good point - so can I change my vote to Big Ron please? If this isn't possible could we redo this whole poll/thread so that I can resubmit my vote. May also be a good way of removing some of the idiots who have posted so far!
derry
15-01-2009, 04:06 PM
This is the point I'm trying to make, but too many are voting for Keegan (good, but not in the same class as Big Ron). Any more of this and Ron will be pushed out for a player who was only with us for a couple of seasons.
Get behind Ron, people! Vote now before it's too late.
FFS IT'S THE BLOODY B TEAM YOU ARE VOTING RON DAVIES INTO. WAKE UP.
IT'S NEXT WEEK , THEN VOTE FOR HIM IN THE A TEAM
EVERY VOTE FOR RON THIS WEEK IS VOTING HIM OUT OF THE A TEAM
So you want him as second best. Vote next week for him in the A team not here for the B team.
He is the best striker we ever had, and if he is voted in to the B team this week as you seem to want, he can't be in the A team being voted for next week.
You just don't get it do you, unless you want Keegan in the A team not Davies.
buctootim
15-01-2009, 05:23 PM
Surely the poll for the A team should have come first. How can you vote for a B team when you dont know who is in the A team?
Surely the poll for the A team should have come first. How can you vote for a B team when you dont know who is in the A team?
Very true but it's been fun doing it this way round - it turns it into an intelligence test.
buctootim
15-01-2009, 05:27 PM
Very true but it's been fun doing it this way round - it turns it into an intelligence test.
Clairvoyance test more like.
CB Fry
15-01-2009, 05:33 PM
This is all a bit odd.
Why on earth are you running a vote for the B team first, including all the best players we've had who, should they win, then have the indignity of being lumped in the B team?
Either do A team first, and sort out the best players, or as someone else suggested, do one poll, with the winner into the A team and the loser into the B team?
St Landrew can protest as much as he likes about how simple it is to understand, but this is just bonkers. Running a poll on "who in your opinion is the second best right sided striker" is bizarre and it's no surprise you've confused everyone.
Whoever wins/loses is going to cause debate because when you run the A team poll you'll be deluged with requests saying "why on earth can't I vote for Keegan/Davies"
The excluded Keegan/Davies would deserve to be on the A list more than, say, Marian Pahars who then qualifies for the A vote by coming last in the B vote. Brilliant.
Vote for your number one, and then give the number two the B slot or re run the poll on a "best of the rest" basis.
I know it's only a bit of fun but it's gone a bit weird for me.
derry
15-01-2009, 05:41 PM
This is all a bit odd.
Why on earth are you running a vote for the B team first, including all the best players we've had who, should they win, then have the indignity of being lumped in the B team?
Either do A team first, and sort out the best players, or as someone else suggested, do one poll, with the winner into the A team and the loser into the B team?
St Landrew can protest as much as he likes about how simple it is to understand, but this is just bonkers. Running a poll on "who in your opinion is the second best right sided striker" is bizarre and it's no surprise you've confused everyone.
Whoever wins/loses is going to cause debate because when you run the A team poll you'll be deluged with requests saying "why on earth can't I vote for Keegan/Davies"
The excluded Keegan/Davies would deserve to be on the A list more than, say, Marian Pahars who then qualifies for the A vote by coming last in the B vote. Brilliant.
Vote for your number one, and then give the number two the B slot or re run the poll on a "best of the rest" basis.
I know it's only a bit of fun but it's gone a bit weird for me.
This thread/vote should be rerun after the second A team striker is chosen.
St Landrew
15-01-2009, 06:04 PM
Well I'll tell you why I ran the B-Team selection first. For 2 reasons:
1] All through the team selection procedure, however we've done it, we've always resolved both A and B teams positions before moving on to the next place.
2] If I had resolved the A team's placings before the B team, the amount of interest would have died, because everyone wants to vote for who is the best. But lots don't care who come second.
So tough titty. ;)
derry
15-01-2009, 06:17 PM
Well I'll tell you why I ran the B-Team selection first. For 2 reasons:
1] All through the team selection procedure, however we've done it, we've always resolved both A and B teams positions before moving on to the next place.
2] If I had resolved the A team's placings before the B team, the amount of interest would have died, because everyone wants to vote for who is the best. But lots don't care who come second.
So tough titty. ;)
However when picking two cenre backs we voted for the two best on the same poll, that would have been preferable for the two strikers. It would have saved all this.
VectisSaint
15-01-2009, 08:17 PM
Well I'll tell you why I ran the B-Team selection first. For 2 reasons:
1] All through the team selection procedure, however we've done it, we've always resolved both A and B teams positions before moving on to the next place.
2] If I had resolved the A team's placings before the B team, the amount of interest would have died, because everyone wants to vote for who is the best. But lots don't care who come second.
So tough titty. ;)
I bet you won't do this again will you :)
Some people never satisfied. Can we have a poll for the C team? How many subs will there be, I think I would like Keegan to come off the bench for the A team, should I vote for him in the B team, or will that mean we will be stuck with Brett Ormerod instead :cool:
Kadeem Hardison
15-01-2009, 09:48 PM
I'm not sure what people's agendas are on here, but all this talk of not voting for Ron smacks as some sort of cabalist movement. I wouldn't be surprised if people are secretly PMing each other to team up and not vote for Ron.
Perhaps St Landrew could enforce some sort of Big Brother house style ban on discussing nominations? Do you have access to the PM system so you can stop people colluding against Ron?
Fowllyd
15-01-2009, 10:06 PM
I'm not sure what people's agendas are on here, but all this talk of not voting for Ron smacks as some sort of cabalist movement. I wouldn't be surprised if people are secretly PMing each other to team up and not vote for Ron.
Perhaps St Landrew could enforce some sort of Big Brother house style ban on discussing nominations? Do you have access to the PM system so you can stop people colluding against Ron?
I think you'll find that people are in fact colluding for Ron, because they want him to be in the A team where he belongs, not the B team which this vote is for.
CB Fry
15-01-2009, 10:20 PM
If I had resolved the A team's placings before the B team, the amount of interest would have died, because everyone wants to vote for who is the best. But lots don't care who come second.
I think this is the problem. No-one cares about a bloody B team of the greatest players of all time.
Asking people to decide who they think is not quite the greatest player of all time is ridiculous. An A-Team vote-off featuring Moran and Pahars but not Keegan and/or Davies will look very silly indeed.
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Atticus Finch of Maycomb
15-01-2009, 10:26 PM
Then a quick explanation for you, just in case you're not on your usual wind up. And for others who still might not get it.
We have 2 teams. The A-Team, and the B-Team. The A-Team players are the apex of Saints. They are the very best Saints players that people can remember. The B-Team [backup] is for those players who were a gnat's wotsit behind the very best, in terms of quality.
However, what this means is, that in many people's eyes, players like Ron Davies are considered so good that they shouldn't be in the B-Team, and so some posters are advising others not to vote for him this time. Therefore, I've no doubt, that if Kevin Keegan, or someone else wins this B-Team slot, Ron will run away with next week's A-Team's left side striker vote.
Now that couldn't be simpler.
surely, surely if Ron is good enough for the A Team, then he is clearly good enough for the B Team.
Ron got my vote, i make no secret of that. You are right though, i am readily willing to admit, Ron might be better on the left, with Keegan on his right. Maybe with that in mind I would have voted differently. But either way - its an immense partnership.
The Tango Man
15-01-2009, 11:14 PM
what the feck are we voting on now...
We are voting what to vote for...
SarniaSaint
15-01-2009, 11:28 PM
When the **** does this vote end ???
I want to change my vote from Chivers to Keegan can you do that StLandrew ???
NickG
15-01-2009, 11:32 PM
so at the moment the best two strikers look like being Moran and Pahars with a second rate pairing of Keegan and Ron Davies???
Think we are doing this one wrong!
St Landrew
16-01-2009, 12:19 AM
Right that's it folks. I've run out of patience with you all. Go **** yourselves, 'cause I ain't doing it anymore.
Ta.
Now that's exactly what I want to write, right at this very, precise, moment.
Deppo
16-01-2009, 01:07 PM
I hope you lot are happy now.
Hatch
16-01-2009, 02:11 PM
Right that's it folks. I've run out of patience with you all. Go **** yourselves, 'cause I ain't doing it anymore.
Ta.
Now that's exactly what I want to write, right at this very, precise, moment.
I'll still be your friend
saint francis
16-01-2009, 02:37 PM
Don't let them get to you Landrew. I for one think you're the second greatest Moderator on here and would have you in my B-team anyday.
Deppo
16-01-2009, 02:45 PM
Well said, saint francis. St Landrew, you may be old, but you're ok.
jawillwill
16-01-2009, 04:19 PM
Right that's it folks. I've run out of patience with you all. Go **** yourselves, 'cause I ain't doing it anymore.
Ta.
Now that's exactly what I want to write, right at this very, precise, moment.
No. Keep it up StL. If people can't read simple rules it's their loss. For the good of the forum and your reputation, stick to your guns and don't let them get to you!
norwaysaint
16-01-2009, 05:31 PM
I am also a big St Landrew fan, ignore the haters and stick to your guns. I've been enjoying the polls and think it's been fine this way.
derry
16-01-2009, 05:38 PM
surely, surely if Ron is good enough for the A Team, then he is clearly good enough for the B Team.
Ron got my vote, i make no secret of that. You are right though, i am readily willing to admit, Ron might be better on the left, with Keegan on his right. Maybe with that in mind I would have voted differently. But either way - its an immense partnership.
Ron was the best and is probably a shoe in for the A team next week.
If you vote him into the B team this week he cannot be nominated for the A team next week,
It's not, "is he good enough to be second best", Its "he is too good to be in this team".
NickG
16-01-2009, 05:53 PM
Right that's it folks. I've run out of patience with you all. Go **** yourselves, 'cause I ain't doing it anymore.
Ta.
Now that's exactly what I want to write, right at this very, precise, moment.
good idea, well run and interesting -just think this one should have been reviewed and voted for A team first - currently BT will get into the best ever saints forward line up -ahead of Keegan and Davies etc
I'm confused. So if i vote for Ron for the B team he can't get in the A team?
derry
16-01-2009, 06:56 PM
I'm confused. So if i vote for Ron for the B team he can't get in the A team?
Correct, if he wins the poll on here now.
If you want him as the A team left striker next week you don't vote for him here.
I voted Keegan here, and provided Davies doesn't win this one, I will vote for him in the A team next week.
If you want him as the A team left striker next week you don't vote for him here.
How about moving him into midfield?
derry
16-01-2009, 07:06 PM
How about moving him into midfield?
Once a player is selected in a position in the B team he is excluded from ALL other positions in BOTH teams. If he wins here that's it. He is finished/excluded.
Once a player is selected in a position in the B team he is excluded from ALL other positions in BOTH teams. If he wins here that's it. He is finished/excluded.
The structure of the polls is obviously flawed then. Instead of doing two separate polls it should have been just one poll with the following options:
James Beattie A Phil Boyer B
James Beattie A Martin Chivers B
James Beattie A Kevin Keegan B
James Beattie A Steve Moran B
James Beattie A Marian Pahars B
James Beattie A Ron Davies B
Phil Boyer A James Beattie B
Phil Boyer A Martin Chivers B
Phil Boyer A Kevin Keegan B
Phil Boyer A Stev Moran B
Phil Boyer A Marian Pahars B
Phil Boyer A Ron Davies B
etc etc.
derry
16-01-2009, 07:22 PM
Simply done, as was done with the centre backs, one poll, vote for your two best strikers in the nominated 4 4 2 formation.
They're a fantastic 7 players to choose from, some being great enough to slot into any team. Please remember that you are voting for one player only, and that the winning candidate cannot be nominated or voted for in the A-Team next week or thereafter. So really we're after the third/fourth best striker ever to appear for Saints in our time. So choose carefully. The poll runs until early Saturday morning.
If we're voting for the 3rd or 4th best striker to get into the B Team and the best to get into the A Team. What about the 2nd/3rd best strikers from the A Team poll?
Surely the 2nd best striker should be in the B Team ahead of the 3rd or 4th best striker?:confused:
derry
16-01-2009, 07:32 PM
If we're voting for the 3rd or 4th best striker to get into the B Team and the best to get into the A Team. What about the 2nd/3rd best strikers from the A Team poll?
Surely the 2nd best striker should be in the B Team ahead of the 3rd or 4th best striker?:confused:
1st best striker with 2nd best striker in the A team. As a pair. Best L/ BestR
3rd best striker with 4th best striker in the B team. As a pair. B team L/R
Each poll is separate.
1st best striker with 2nd best striker in the A team. As a pair.
3rd best striker with 4th best striker in the B team. As a pair.
What if the first and second best strikers are both right sided or both left sided and the same the for third and fourth best?
derry
16-01-2009, 07:39 PM
What if the first and second best strikers are both right sided or both left sided and the same the for third and fourth best?
Your two favourite strikers, it's up to you.
But it sounds like you've voted for your favourite striker to be in the B team.
Kadeem Hardison
16-01-2009, 07:53 PM
It's not, "is he good enough to be second best", Its "he is too good to be in this team".
Clearly you never saw Ron play. He was definitely good enough to be second best - at the very least! And since when did someone being "too good" exclude them from selection for a team? That is mental. :rolleyes: You don't see Alex Ferguson dropping Ronaldo because he's the officially the best player in the world and Man United aren't top of the table!
Clearly you never saw Ron play. He was definitely good enough to be second best - at the very least! And since when did someone being "too good" exclude them from selection for a team? That is mental. :rolleyes: You don't see Alex Ferguson dropping Ronaldo because he's the officially the best player in the world and Man United aren't top of the table!
Ignore him Derry - he is obviously just being silly.
derry
16-01-2009, 08:01 PM
Clearly you never saw Ron play. He was definitely good enough to be second best - at the very least! And since when did someone being "too good" exclude them from selection for a team? That is mental. :rolleyes: You don't see Alex Ferguson dropping Ronaldo because he's the officially the best player in the world and Man United aren't top of the table!
Ron is for me the best. I have watched Saints since 1954. If he is voted into this B team he will be rated third/fourth best Saints striker in this poll.
He then is disqualified from the A team. As it is, it looks like he will be saved, provided Keegan wins this poll.
derry
16-01-2009, 08:05 PM
Ignore him Derry - he is obviously just being silly.
Got time to spare, It is difficult to tell if they are unintentionally stupid or trying a wind up. Not that clever I think.
Wiltshire Saint
16-01-2009, 08:26 PM
Right that's it folks. I've run out of patience with you all. Go **** yourselves, 'cause I ain't doing it anymore.
Ta.
Now that's exactly what I want to write, right at this very, precise, moment.
Hey, none of that now! I for one appreciate what you have done and the fact that some people have got confused is not your fault. You are blameless in this whole thing, if, indeed there is any blame to be dished out. The only people that I have a problem with are those that have tried to manipulate St Landrew into gettin their favourites into the team (I think we all know who they are).
Can I make a suggestion........we should just scrap what we have so far and start afresh with clearly defined rules and regulations. I would definitely ban anyone trying to influence the vote.
ottery st mary
16-01-2009, 08:36 PM
Right that's it folks. I've run out of patience with you all. Go **** yourselves, 'cause I ain't doing it anymore.
Ta.
Now that's exactly what I want to write, right at this very, precise, moment.
It is fun and I for one think you are to be thanked for some of the not so clever posters who just keep up.
It is obvious the standard of poster on this site when you see their team selection...But me I am right up to speed and know exactly what is going on.
Just so I haven't missed anything lately..Please correct me if I have got it wrong....So far I have Ali Dia
and Peckhart as our A team strikers with Makin and Pulis as our centre Backs.
With Hammill and Ripley on the wings....What happened to my shout for Perry Groves and that Centre Back Marshall?
Keep going, your doing a grand job.
Thank you.
Ps Saints to win 6-1 this Saturday.
Can I make a suggestion........we should just scrap what we have so far and start afresh with clearly defined rules and regulations. I would definitely ban anyone trying to influence the vote.
Scrap and start again? Are you trying to influence the poll?
St Landrew
17-01-2009, 02:13 AM
Well that's this particular poll finished. Kevin Keegan joins the B-Team attack. All other strikers, not assigned to either team are up for grabs. Here are the line-ups so far:
For the A-Team
-------------------Shilton---------------------
Golac-------Wright--------Svensson-----Bridge
Paine---------Ball---------Le Tissier---Armstrong
------------Channon-----------?----------------
and the B Team
----------------------Niemi----------------------
Dodd------Lundekvam------Watson---------Dennis
D.Wallace----Williams---------Case--------Marsden
--------------Keegan-----------?------------------
And now onto the nominations for the A-Team Left-sided striker.
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