Phil Ifil

**saint_stevo** · 30-07-2009, 07:32 PM

On trial at MK Dons, seems a better option than fat boy Murty to me......?

Was impressive when on loan from Spuds a few seasons back

**barney_b64** · 30-07-2009, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by saint_stevo

On trial at MK Dons, seems a better option than fat boy Murty to me......?

Was impressive when on loan from Spuds a few seasons back

+1

Get both them James can be left to play in midfield.

**Barry Horne** · 30-07-2009, 07:38 PM

Agree. He did well when he was here but sounds like things have not gone too well for him since. The thing Murty brings to the table (apart from a lot of food by the look of him) is experience. That's what we need right now.

**smithy** · 30-07-2009, 07:42 PM

Have any of you seen Murty in a Saints shirt?

**Saintjersey** · 30-07-2009, 07:43 PM

I would get Ifil and Murty in as I'm not sure if Murty can last a whole season, also means James can push up to midfield if needed.

**Channon's Sideburns** · 30-07-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by smithy

Have any of you seen Murty in a Saints shirt?

Yep...reminds me of the standard of players we USED to sign.

Daft and stupid if we overlook him.

**SNSUN** · 30-07-2009, 07:44 PM

Free right backs are all over the place this summer! As well as Murty and Ifil, there's also Volz. If we really want to strengthen the squad, we need two right backs, leaving James to play in his favoured position in midfield. The last thing I'd want to see halfway through the season is Thomas at right back due to injuries...

**smithy** · 30-07-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Channon's Sideburns

Yep...reminds me of the standard of players we USED to sign.

Daft and stupid if we overlook him.

Indeed.

**Yate Saint** · 30-07-2009, 07:50 PM

I think Burley should have done more to keep him in the first place. Get him back.

**skintsaint** · 30-07-2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by SNSUN

is Thomas at right back die

bit harsh imo

**SNSUN** · 30-07-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by skintsaint

bit harsh imo

Oops, SP.

**Genk** · 30-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Murty is a good League 1 player in my opinion. Yes he may be a bit out of shape but a few weeks of fitness can quickly turn it around.

**gammon cheeks** · 30-07-2009, 08:11 PM

Ifil murtys shirt with space to spare

**Scudamore** · 30-07-2009, 08:28 PM

I think we should sign four right backs...then we're free to push James into midfield...

We need a nice bloated squad of bitter players...that way we can get the rubbish team spirit we need...

**Iowsaintsfan** · 30-07-2009, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Scudamore

I think we should sign four right backs...then we're free to push James into midfield...

We need a nice bloated squad of bitter players...that way we can get the rubbish team spirit we need...

Right back to replace over-loaded midfield role

**Wes Tender** · 30-07-2009, 10:07 PM

Ifil wasn't bad when he was here, but he's got a long way to go to be considered anywhere as good as Murty has been or could still be, when he's fully match fit.

**Blackheathan** · 30-07-2009, 10:19 PM

Murty looked up to it vs Hearts.

**red&white56** · 31-07-2009, 06:27 AM

I haven't yet seen Murty but i was impressed with Ifil when he was on loan with us. However I don't think he made a big impression at C.Palace after he left us. I would favour getting him in as part of the squad.

**saints_is_the_south** · 31-07-2009, 06:29 AM

I always thought Ifil did a good job for us, was dissapointed that we never signed him permantly. I'd certainly be in favour of signing him now, with him & Murty and also Lloyd James we'd be well covered at right back.

**david in sweden** · 31-07-2009, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Barry Horne

Agree. He did well when he was here but sounds like things have not gone too well for him since.

The thing Murty brings to the table (apart from a lot of food by the look of him) is experience. That's what we need right now.

well said ! Experience !

**John B** · 31-07-2009, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by david in sweden

well said ! Experience !

Does not Phil Ifil play for Colchester still

http://www.football.co.uk/colchester...l_110224.shtml

Maybe getting confused with Paul Ifil ex Palace

**Wildgoose** · 31-07-2009, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by John B

Does not Phil Ifil play for Colchester still

http://www.football.co.uk/colchester...l_110224.shtml

Maybe getting confused with Paul Ifil ex Palace

Apparently been told he can leave by U's boss Paul Lambert

**Foxstone** · 31-07-2009, 08:44 AM

Did'nt impress me much when he was here..

Much prefer the experienced leadership of Murty for this coming season.

**Saint_clark** · 31-07-2009, 08:48 AM

Always thought he was overrated because he pinged balls in from 40 yards out. Never went to the byline. Was terrible at Colchester.
Would rather have Murty or Volz.

**saint_stevo** · 31-07-2009, 08:50 AM

would like to have as well as Murty, you know, maybe have more than 1 natural RB?

**Saint_clark** · 31-07-2009, 08:51 AM

Agreed, it's good to have cover. But let's not fall back into the old way of just signing sh*t loads of people for the sake of it.

**Give it to Ron** · 31-07-2009, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by saint_stevo

On trial at MK Dons, seems a better option than fat boy Murty to me......?

Was impressive when on loan from Spuds a few seasons back

So you would prefer someone that has been released from MK Dons who were playing in what division...as opposed to Murty who would of been playing for Reading in the CCC last season and was their captain?
Mind you we haven't signed either of them yet so waste of time this....but its Friday.

**saint_stevo** · 31-07-2009, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Give it to Ron

So you would prefer someone that has been released from MK Dons who were playing in what division...as opposed to Murty who would of been playing for Reading in the CCC last season and was their captain?
Mind you we haven't signed either of them yet so waste of time this....but its Friday.

Think again, he hasnt been released by anyone, just had a falling out at COLCHESTER and now on trial at MK Dons.

How many games did Murty play last season exactly?

**sentry** · 31-07-2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by smithy

Have any of you seen Murty in a Saints shirt?

Verticle stripes are slimming?

**ottery st mary** · 31-07-2009, 09:30 AM

Murty has slimmed down drastically over the past weeks....Weigh watchers..****chers slimmer of the month for July....Well done lad.....Will be a star for Saints this season....Almost as slim as twiggy now...

COYRS and Murty The TANK.

**Arizona** · 31-07-2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Saint_clark

Agreed, it's good to have cover. But let's not fall back into the old way of just signing sh*t loads of people for the sake of it.

It's not sh*t loads of players for the sake of it. We need the cover. If Murty gets injured, we'd need to play James at RB, which means we'd compromise our options in midfield.

**Give it to Ron** · 31-07-2009, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by saint_stevo

Think again, he hasnt been released by anyone, just had a falling out at COLCHESTER and now on trial at MK Dons.

How many games did Murty play last season exactly?

So he hasn't been released by Colchester then....

How many games has Ifil played at a decent level?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Ifil

Murty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Murty

**The9** · 31-07-2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Give it to Ron

So he hasn't been released by Colchester then....

How many games has Ifil played at a decent level?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Ifil

Murty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Murty

I'd sign them both, personally.

**saint_stevo** · 31-07-2009, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by The9

I'd sign them both, personally.

The point i was trying to make

**Scudamore** · 31-07-2009, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Arizona

It's not sh*t loads of players for the sake of it. We need the cover. If Murty gets injured, we'd need to play James at RB, which means we'd compromise our options in midfield.

Having two specialist right backs is a waste of time. If Murty gets injured then we can look at loans.

**The9** · 31-07-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Scudamore

Having two specialist right backs is a waste of time. If Murty gets injured then we can look at loans.

This is also a fair point, they don't have much flexibility positionally - though somewhere in my head I seem to think Murty has CB experience ?

**Scudamore** · 31-07-2009, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by The9

This is also a fair point, they don't have much flexibility positionally - though somewhere in my head I seem to think Murty has CB experience ?

Confusing him with Chris Makin? Another fullback we signed from Reading? Who should never have played at centre back but did at Saints because he'd played it once at school. Damn that meddling Burley...

**Arizona** · 31-07-2009, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Scudamore

Having two specialist right backs is a waste of time. If Murty gets injured then we can look at loans.

By that logic, we need 11 players, then what? 2 utility men strikers, midfielders, defenders and back-up goalies. That's a squad of 19 players?

Each to their own, but I'd take both given choice. In the recent past we've had Dodd and Telfer, Baird and Ostlund, Bridge and Benali, Le Saux and Bernard, Makin and Bale etc.

Anyway, I can 99% guarantee Murty will have an injury at some point this season. Why wait until then and rush some emergency loan into the side.

**jam** · 31-07-2009, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by The9

This is also a fair point, they don't have much flexibility positionally - though somewhere in my head I seem to think Murty has CB experience ?

When we signed Ifil he was said to be able to play 'anywhere across the back four'...

**Scudamore** · 31-07-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Arizona

By that logic, we need 11 players, then what? 2 utility men strikers, midfielders, defenders and back-up goalies. That's a squad of 19 players?

Each to their own, but I'd take both given choice. In the recent past we've had Dodd and Telfer, Baird and Ostlund, Bridge and Benali, Le Saux and Bernard, Makin and Bale etc.

Anyway, I can 99% guarantee Murty will have an injury at some point this season. Why wait until then and rush some emergency loan into the side.

A few more than 19 perhaps...i really don't see the need for two right backs though...

We know that Lloyd James can fill in if Murty has a tweak...if it's longer term we get a loan in...this idea that Lloyd James will now be pushing into central midfield full time is a little flight of fancy to my mind...i'd be impressed if he made twenty midfield appearances this season...

I've posted it before but i'll post it again since i think it's such a good read...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletc...by.html#115776

**Arizona** · 31-07-2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Scudamore

A few more than 19 perhaps...i really don't see the need for two right backs though...

We know that Lloyd James can fill in if Murty has a tweak...if it's longer term we get a loan in...this idea that Lloyd James will now be pushing into central midfield full time is a little flight of fancy to my mind...i'd be impressed if he made twenty midfield appearances this season...

I've posted it before but i'll post it again since i think it's such a good read...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletc...by.html#115776

But that would compromise our midfield options. Why should we plan on going into a season knowing that as soon as a player gets injured in one possition, we're going to have to distort the whole team to fill in the gaps. It'll just end up like the start of the 07/08 season under Burley, with 3 midfielders in our defence.

Take a read of the last paragraph. This guy wasn't that bad a manager if we're being honnest.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...es-553857.html

**Scudamore** · 31-07-2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Arizona

But that would compromise our midfield options. Why should we plan on going into a season knowing that as soon as a player gets injured in one possition, we're going to have to distort the whole team to fill in the gaps. It'll just end up like the start of the 07/08 season under Burley, with 3 midfielders in our defence.

Take a read of the last paragraph. This guy wasn't that bad a manager if we're being honnest.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...es-553857.html

Fair enough...Mourinho does of course know his stuff...

I just can't see Lloyd James going into this season being first choice for a centre mifield spot i'm afraid (and the Hearts game backs that up) in fact i suspect signings will be made which will push him further down that pecking order as well. As such having just played a full season in the position this makes him a pretty good back up for the position...and also allows us the opportunity to start bedding him into the position he will ultimately end up playing in, centre midfield. Cover for two positions he can playcomfortably...certainly not distorting the team though as he won't be first choice centre mid...

Aside from all this Ifill doesn't want to come to Saints to play second fiddle to another player at this stage in his career i'm sure so it's a complete non starter...

**Arizona** · 31-07-2009, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Scudamore

Fair enough...Mourinho does of course know his stuff...

I just can't see Lloyd James going into this season being first choice for a centre mifield spot i'm afraid (and the Hearts game backs that up) in fact i suspect signings will be made which will push him further down that pecking order as well. As such having just played a full season in the position this makes him a pretty good back up for the position...and also allows us the opportunity to start bedding him into the position he will ultimately end up playing in, centre midfield. Cover for two positions he can playcomfortably...certainly not distorting the team though as he won't be first choice centre mid...

Aside from all this Ifill doesn't want to come to Saints to play second fiddle to another player at this stage in his career i'm sure so it's a complete non starter...

Wouldn't have him in CM at all TBH. Gillett would be in there, but his partner would have to be a big lad with a decent range of passing. Pele would be the ideal player for me, but that's just an example.

James would be my first choice RM. Lallana is a striker or nothing IMO. James' crossing is far better.

Davis

Murty Thomas Perry Mills

James Gillett ???? Harding/Holmes

Lallana

Rasiak

or summit like that.

**Bailey** · 31-07-2009, 08:42 PM

Have a feeling it might be the other Ifil that is available on a free, but if Phil is out-of-contract, then I would consider snapping him up as well as Murty. If we did that, then Lloyd James would be available to play in his favoured position in midfield! He could do just as good a job as Wotton does alongside Gillett, if not better.

**Billy Shite** · 31-07-2009, 10:08 PM

Murty as first choice, Ifil as back up. james to compete for a place in centre of midfeild. Simples.

**modern matron** · 31-07-2009, 11:07 PM

Sign him up! Better than Murty and young....

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