Released & Retained

[itchen_dan]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsD...364123,00.html

Full Retained / Released List:

Signed New Deal:

Radhi Jaidi - 1 year

Contract Automatically Renewed:

Danny Butterfield - 1 Year
Aaron Martin - 1 Year
Dan Harding - 1 Year

To Discuss New Contract:

David Connolly
Oscar Gobern

Released:

Anthony Pulis
Sam Argent
Tony Garrod
Callum McNish
Ryan Tafazolli

[pilsburydoughboy]

How will we cope without Pulis showing the youth how to go on the ****?

[St.Jeweller]

Not a good week for the Pulis family then!!

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

No shocks in the retained list. I guess any debate will centre around whether or not Gobern and Connolly manage to agree new deals.

[SNSUN]

Good news about Harding, my favourite player.

[NickG]

shame when younger players don't make it

[doughnutman]

At last we're finally rid of Pulis, just Forecast to jettison now!

[Tokyo-Saint]

Shame about McNish, he looked like he might break through under Pardew.

[doughnutman]

But very glad with the renewals, shame about the youth players though weren't Tafazolli, McNish and Argent highly rated though?

[Leslie Charteris]

Did Anthony Pulis ever really exist? I think he was a tax dodge invented by the bean counters and his write-down value is now zero, so he just disappears!

[toofarnorth]

No complaints there. I'm really beginning to think we wont see much transfer action this summer. Two players possibly, but two very good one's I hope.

[shurlock]

So Harding's contract was automatically renewed and not up for discussion- would have used this opportunity to tie him down to a longer deal.

[NickG]

, just Forecast to jettison now!

why?

[Saint J 77]

But no contract termination for Forecast? Too costly or Adkins rates him ?

[Saint_clark]

Would have preferred longer contracts for Martin and Harding to be honest, but other than that perfect.

[shurlock]

So the club is going to make offers to Connolly and Gobern which they may or may not accept? In other words, the ball will be in their court?

[Saint_clark]

So the club is going to make offers to Connolly and Gobern which they may or may not accept?

Yep. If they didn't want to keep them, they would have just been released.

[shurlock]

Yep. If they didn't want to keep them, they would have just been released.

Gotcha - potentially great news then.

[krissyboy31]

So the club is going to make offers to Connolly and Gobern which they may or may not accept? In other words, the ball will be in their court?

Suspect Connolly will have been offered some sort of pay as you play deal, which may or may not be acceptable to him?

[NickG]

think we need to offer Gobbern a contract to get a fee if he goes elsewhere

[SuperMikey]

Good to see we're keeping a lot of the squad together, this'll be the 3rd year with most of the squad playing together. Can only be a good thing.

Shame to see some of the young'uns getting released, but they're all good players and will be snapped up in no time.

No more Pulis either

[sir woody]

At last we're finally rid of Pulis, just Forecast to jettison now!

My thoughts exactly !!

[Matthew Le God]

Would have preferred longer contracts for Martin and Harding to be honest, but other than that perfect.

If Saints were to do a Norwich they may not be needed long term so no point burdening the club with long contracts ala Forecast.

[adriansfc]

why?

Because he's a talentless non-goalkeeping, money draining emabarassing ****wit.

[NickG]

are there better 3rd choice keepers in league 1?

how much is he paid? Is it more than other keepers?

never met him.

[Saint_clark]

If Saints were to do a Norwich they may not be needed long term so no point burdening the club with long contracts ala Forecast.

Except should we get promoted next season players like Harding would be in demand and we could get a decent fee for him.

[NickG]

the one year automatic extension would not prevent further discussions about improved contract

[The9]

think we need to offer Gobern a contract to get a fee if he goes elsewhere

Yep, he's only 20 so as he's under 24 if we offer him a contract equal to his previous deal and he chooses not to sign it, we get a tribunal-decided fee when he signs for somewhere else, which is intended as compensation for our development costs in training the player from youth. Just like we did with Leon Best when he went to Coventry.

I think the only thing worth discussing from the list is the trigger points for the automatic renewals - I'm assuming that Harding, Butterfield and Martin either had promotion clauses giving them an extra year, or they hit a certain number of appearances. If that's the case I would imagine Martin's figure was quite low...

[Le Goddard]

Looks like those one year clauses were based on promotion to the NPC, they may still leave.

I wish we'd get rid of forecast.

I wonder what will happen to Mills.

[pingwing]

All the automatic renewals are nice and sensible, im not hardings biggest fan but an automatic extension says more than enough (I assume Martin only needed a few appearances which was made up a bit at the start of the season anyway). Butterfield is the best news there!

Hope we get something sensible agreed with Connelly like Jaidi have really shown a bit of experience and maturity to overall pay off

[Chez]

Yep, he's only 20 so as he's under 24 if we offer him a contract equal to his previous deal and he chooses not to sign it, we get a tribunal-decided fee when he signs for somewhere else, which is intended as compensation for our development costs in training the player from youth. Just like we did with Leon Best when he went to Coventry.

I think the only thing worth discussing from the list is the trigger points for the automatic renewals - I'm assuming that Harding, Butterfield and Martin either had promotion clauses giving them an extra year, or they hit a certain number of appearances. If that's the case I would imagine Martin's figure was quite low...

Appearances
Martin 12
Butterfield 37
Harding 43

[Chez]

with all these renewals and few likely to leave it means there is going to be very little turnover of players. A settled squad is going to help us, but I can't half think that we need to sign two or three that really are going to improve us. But where are we short on bodies?

[BadgerBadger]

keeps getting better and better - we'd do well to sign that young Connolly for sure

[positivepete]

Looks like a sensible list. I suspect that there will be more coming in at youth level as we strengthen that group to provide us the players for the future

[IanH]

I read on a thread, maybe the Saints player awards thread,that Butterfield's was renewed as he played 25 games.

[musesaint]

Happy with all of that

Harding and Butterfield especially

[SO16_Saint]

No complaints there. I'm really beginning to think we wont see much transfer action this summer. Two players possibly, but two very good one's I hope.

What makes you say that, about a lack of activity?

[Thedelldays]

I can see Martin going out in loan for part of the season

[JustMike]

add to that list Nguessen (spl) and Stevens loans finishing. Room for a few more I would suggest

[Made in Southampton]

Surprised to see Calum McNish on the released list. I remember seeing him on soccer am doing that skillz school thingy and the boy had obvious talent. I understand that skill is not everything but it's just a shame to see any young player not make it.

Anyone know the reason why?

[Chez]

I can see Martin going out in loan for part of the season

he needs a full season in league 1 otherwise he's just not going to get enough games to improve

[toofarnorth]

What makes you say that, about a lack of activity?

Just by looking at the squad we are quite deep in numbers in all areas. Only really light in CM & CF, but even they wouldn't be that light if Gobern and Connolly sign on. Think at most we'll get a new CB, CM & CF.

[Chez]

Surprised to see Calum McNish on the released list. I remember seeing him on soccer am doing that skillz school thingy and the boy had obvious talent. I understand that skill is not everything but it's just a shame to see any young player not make it.

Anyone know the reason why?

if his brief showing in the first team were anything to go by he looked like David McGoaldraught, only less busy if that is at all possible.

[Chez]

Just by looking at the squad we are quite deep in numbers in all areas. Only really light in CM & CF, but even they wouldn't be that light if Gobern and Connolly sign on. Think at most we'll get a new CB, CM & CF.

Is Guly going to be regarded as our cover right midfield? I know he scored some vital goals from that position, but boy did he look uncomfortable out there at times and defensively he was woeful IMO.

[John B]

Did Anthony Pulis ever really exist? I think he was a tax dodge invented by the bean counters and his write-down value is now zero, so he just disappears!

Yes I saw him play in a pre season friendly but he was carried off after a half an hour or so

[Saint Malc]

From what I've seen of Gobern, in particular at Brentford, he must be amazing in training to see him still in negotiation. I can't see the point of him myself.

[Chez]

add to that list Nguessen (spl) and Stevens loans finishing. Room for a few more I would suggest

Holmes comes back to replace N'Guessen and Gobern/Morgan back to replace Stephens.

3 GK (Davis, Bart, Forecast)
3 RB (Butterfield, Richardson, Stephens)
4 CB (Fonte, Jaidi, Martin, Seaborne)
4 LB (Harding, Dickson, Mills, Reeves)
2 LM (Lallana, Holmes)
2 RM (Guly, Chamberlain)
4 CB (Hammond, Morgan, Chaplow, Gobern)
5 CF (Lambert, Barnard, Connelly, Forte, Noble)

The squad looks about the right size to me with Mills possibly leaving. Lallana, Guly, Forte and Dickson offer some extra cover.
If we are going to bring a CM in, then Gobern will leave won't he?
Up front relies on Connelly being fit otherwise we might be stretched. The same applies at left midfield with Holmes, although Dickson does OK there.
Noble to get a full season out on loan?

[Chez]

From what I've seen of Gobern, in particular at Brentford, he must be amazing in training to see him still in negotiation. I can't see the point of him myself.

He, like Martin needs a full season of games.

[JustMike]

Holmes comes back to replace N'Guessen and Gobern/Morgan back to replace Stephens.

3 GK (Davis, Bart, Forecast)
3 RB (Butterfield, Richardson, Stephens)
4 CB (Fonte, Jaidi, Martin, Seaborne)
4 LB (Harding, Dickson, Mills, Reeves)
2 LM (Lallana, Holmes)
2 RM (Guly, Chamberlain)
4 CB (Hammond, Morgan, Chaplow, Gobern)
5 CF (Lambert, Barnard, Connelly, Forte, Noble)

The squad looks about the right size to me with Mills possibly leaving. Lallana, Guly, Forte and Dickson offer some extra cover.
If we are going to bring a CM in, then Gobern will leave won't he?
Up front relies on Connelly being fit otherwise we might be stretched. The same applies at left midfield with Holmes, although Dickson does OK there.
Noble to get a full season out on loan?

this is all assuming that we dont transfer list anyone. If we have to rely on Holmes then we will struggle. I am also not convinced by Forte and Gobern.

[Thedelldays]

I still think we will sign 3-4 good NPC quality players...whether that is on frees or not