Have the new recruits upset the team spirit?

[maysie]

Something I've noticed this season (as well as the awful defending), is a tendency for players to look around for someone to blame when something goes wrong, and dare I say it on a couple of occasions throw the towel in and not take responsibility.

Something that was evident over the last couple of years was an excellent bond and general spirit in the team, where they all seemed to enjoy playing together and wanting to work for each other. I just don't see that this year as much and wonder whether a factor could be the change in personnel - is it as simple as a alteration in the changing room social structure? Or is that ****** and it is just the case that it's the first time this group of players as a collective have really had their back up against the wall?

[shurlock]

Something I've noticed this season (as well as the awful defending), is a tendency for players to look around for someone to blame when something goes wrong, and dare I say it on a couple of occasions throw the towel in and not take responsibility.

Something that was evident over the last couple of years was an excellent bond and general spirit in the team, where they all seemed to enjoy playing together and wanting to work for each other. I just don't see that this year as much and wonder whether a factor could be the change in personnel - is it as simple as a alteration in the changing room social structure? Or is that ****** and it is just the case that it's the first time this group of players as a collective have really had their back up against the wall?

They've hardly been on the pitch for a start.
IMO Jos is a bit of a bottler - tends to go missing and noticed he's the first one to start looking around when we f**k up. And he's now considered the old guard.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Something I've noticed this season (as well as the awful defending), is a tendency for players to look around for someone to blame when something goes wrong, and dare I say it on a couple of occasions throw the towel in and not take responsibility.

Something that was evident over the last couple of years was an excellent bond and general spirit in the team, where they all seemed to enjoy playing together and wanting to work for each other. I just don't see that this year as much and wonder whether a factor could be the change in personnel - is it as simple as a alteration in the changing room social structure? Or is that ****** and it is just the case that it's the first time this group of players as a collective have really had their back up against the wall?

Oh FFS!! are you craving attention? I mean why?? This is absolute bollix with no substance whatsoever. Get a grip.

[kpturner]

I think it is just that the opposition is better - nothing to do with dressing room disharmony.

[maysie]

Oh FFS!! are you craving attention? I mean why?? This is absolute bollix with no substance whatsoever. Get a grip.

No need to be rude, was just opening up for debate something that I have noticed. You don't agree - fine.

[BadgerBadger]

Team spirit is fragile, we saw it last year to a degree, we were great to watch when our tails were up but this year is a sterner test and we need to learn to win ugly not pretty when it's required

[melmacian_saint]

Interesting point.

In fact, I'd say that since we left League One, few signings seem to have enhanced the team attitude (don't mean quality obviously). Or maybe the fact that most of the regulars from that time are still in the team and some of them have been gradually thrown to obscurity.

It's also a shame that two players who seemed to be big changing room leaders in Hammond and Sharp are not really Prem standard and left. You can sense some lack of harmony of the team when they play. Even in the Villa game.

Interesting comment about Jos as I've seen it too. He's certainly not the changing room ego filling type, in fact I consider him an honest workmen, but he seems to be more worried about making sure he's not blamed than in what he's supposed to do. After watching Yoshida play with Fonte you can see that the Portuguese himself looks much calmer and composed than with Jos.

I am also sure that Guly is the kind of player I would not want in a dressing room. Looks depressed every time I see him play and doesn't seem to care. Rodriguez doesn't seem to be Mr. Brightside either.

Obviously results haven't helped but you could argue that the team spirit has never been high from the start either.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Trouble is there is no way out - we came up through the leagues quickly with Adkins and his coaches/medics getting the players to excel above their station. The Prem has found us out and so to survive we needed to change the squad around more quickly than normal. The players are pro's though - they should know that there will be an evolution at the club and if they're not good enough to step up then they will left behind.

IF Adkins has been telling them porky pies about how good they all are - e.g. good enough to be Prem players etc., then perhaps some of them are now starting to doubt themselves and indeed Adkins as their gaffer.

[Horton Heath Saint]

Fact
A footballer, these days, will not be at the club for much more than two years.
A manager just about the same.

[Saint_clark]

Our players have always got a b*llocking from their team mates when they've made a mistake, that's nothing new to this season.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Nothing wrong with our spirit from what I've seen.

Can't defend though...

[Miltonaggro]

Which of the new players does this apply to, can't say I've noticed it?...

[beatlesaint]

Our players have always got a b*llocking from their team mates when they've made a mistake, that's nothing new to this season.

I agree, lets not look for issues that aren't there, its bad enough we cant defend without looking for reasons above and beyond the fact our defenders are not good enough !

[Turkish]

Ive heard they all think Mayuka is a knob. They had a campaign to send him on loan to Nott County and get Jonno Quick back as he is popular but Reed put the block on it.

[Turkish]

Boruc and Fonte don't get on. That's why he played so badly on saturday. It was deliberate to make Boruc let in loads so he'd ST dropped.

[Turkish]

Hooliveld and Clyne a each other. Jos is jealous that despite being 2 foot taller he has a smaller willy.

[Turkish]

No one likes Steve David because he's ginger.

[Miltonaggro]

Ive heard they all think Mayuka is a knob. They had a campaign to send him on loan to Nott County and get Jonno Quick back as he is popular but Reed put the block on it.

This is the kind of thing that is undermining the club! I've heard that rumour too, and Reed and Mayuka are both major Paul Simon fans - it's bare faced favouritism like this that pollutes team spirit...

[Turkish]

This is the kind of thing that is undermining the club! I've heard that rumour too, and Reed and Mayuka are both major Paul Simon fans - it's bare faced favouritism like this that pollutes team spirit...

I heard he is Reeds favourite after they did 'you can call me Al' together at the players traditional karaoke induction song. It upset a lot of pLayers as no one else had been allowed to do that. Apparantly Davis wanted to sing the 'letter from America' with Gary Grosby but they weren't allowed. It angered the squad.

[Miltonaggro]

I heard he is Reeds favourite after they did 'you can call me Al' together at the players traditional karaoke induction song. It upset a lot of pLayers as no one else had been allowed to do that. Apparantly Davis wanted to sing the 'letter from America' with Gary Grosby but they weren't allowed. It angered the squad.

It's ridiculous really, and smacks of the big time Charlie culture. I heard that Reed tried to make light of it but once the song started he did the full Chevy and had even brought his own trumpet. Him and Mayuka had already done The Obvious Child and Diamonds on the Soles of her Shoes before Adkins intervened. This is when the Davis debacle occurred as Reeds elongated trumpet solo had taken 20 minutes. Not sure if there is any truth in it, but I heard a further rumour that at the next training session Cortese turned up dressed as Prince, which went down like a lead balloon...

[david in sweden]

[QUOTE=maysie;1509268]Something I've noticed this season (as well as the awful defending), is a tendency for players to look around for someone to blame when something goes wrong, and dare I say it on a couple of occasions throw the towel in and not take responsibility. QUOTE]

Obviously.... even in a team, individuals are usually responsible for mistakes that result in goals, but this is surely part of the gelling process that hasn't worked itself out yet.

Just introducing new players into the dressing room and playing them alongside each other in training doesn't make a team straight away, and coping with injuries and playing others out of position only worsens the problem.

The opposition aren't on our training pitch and are less predictable than those of our own who they play alongside day in and day out.

I think it's probably more frustration - just as much as it is for fans who sit and watch the oppostion score. You need to " blame " someone, but it isn't easy for anyone to accept conceding goals.

[kpturner]

I heard he is Reeds favourite after they did 'you can call me Al' together at the players traditional karaoke induction song. It upset a lot of pLayers as no one else had been allowed to do that. Apparantly Davis wanted to sing the 'letter from America' with Gary Grosby but they weren't allowed. It angered the squad.

Gary Grosby?

[david in sweden]

Gary Grosby?

......doesn't he mean Bing Grosby?