BBC Article - The inside story of the great Southampton sell-off

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28593032

Enjoy.

I wonder where all this came from. Morgan?

Veracity aside, "There was no attempt to persuade Lallana or Shaw to stay. Not once did a club official hold talks with the players to ask them to reconsider, to delay their moves."

I wonder where all this came from. Morgan?

Yeah, perhaps. The article certainly speaks about Lallana in glowing terms.

Fair summary... Most of us could have written the same

Fair summary... Most of us could have written the same

Well, I certainly wasn't aware that Lallana and Shaw weren't spoken to formally. Perhaps others were (aware).

Edit: And the article seems to suggest that Lallana's discontent was the catalyst for other exits, rather than, say, Pochettino's/Cortese's departure (although I'm sure they were all factors).

Typical BBC tosh

Nothing original . Any off us could have written a summary not too dissimilar

Maybe whoever wrote that plagiarised the forums views

I forgot to check who the author of the beeb article was .

Is there really anything new in there? I could have written that. Whether or not it's all 100% factually correct will never be known.

It's clearly an accurate article and they have obviously spoken to some players. I'm surprised no one spoke to Adam.

Nothing particularly new in that is there?

Nothing new for us in the main. But a piece for the wider general football, maybe

I would say Hooiveld having an offer from Germany was new, to me anyway.

Have you guys actually read the article in full? There's new information in there, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sort of over it now. Nothing we can really do from it. Lets hope the board have learnt from their mistakes.

Just a bit boring now, its been done to death.

If the Mum of a 15 year old thinks there is a better Academy for hsr son to play at then fine. But surely the sales show the opposite, if they want to get to the top then what better place than a club that gives young players a chance then sells them on?

I think Ben Smith does still have a bit of an agenda.

Plus, hopefully Hooiveld will take the German club up on their offer, I'm sure its Bayern or Dortmund!

Personally i have had enough of this drivel…i don't see the club selling anymore players and with an influx of new talent the only way is up…f**ck the press and there negative stories…COYR

Look what pops up from Ben Smith when things are looking slightly up once more. Predictable.

Only 20 posts before this is regarded as crap

Well, I certainly wasn't aware that Lallana and Shaw weren't spoken to formally. Perhaps others were (aware).

 

Edit: And the article seems to suggest that Lallana's discontent was the catalyst for other exits, rather than, say, Pochettino's/Cortese's departure (although I'm sure they were all factors).

Given his rush for thirty pieces of scouse silver (and I say that as a fan who supported him and ranted on about his talent from when he was a kid) perhaps it was Lallana they spoke to !

Look what pops up from Ben Smith when things are looking slightly up once more. Predictable.

The author isn't mentioned.

My word, liking the new attitude of some posters on here, fairplay lads.

Only 20 posts before this is regarded as crap

Frankly, I don't think people are actually reading the article.

Llallana demanded respect and admiration

I don't believe that , all that badge kissing and telling us he wanted to end his career with us , what tosh

I am aware that a board member did procrastinate at one point but I suspect that was not allow llalana to speak to Liverpool

There were others in the team who gelled the team together. , fonte , kelvin but not Adam

I will not change my mind about llallana . Yes he did some good things for us but he has severed any respect I had for him

Typical BBC tosh

 

Nothing original . Any off us could have written a summary not too dissimilar

 

Maybe whoever wrote that plagiarised the forums views

I forgot to check who the author of the beeb article was .

Agreed, hardly deep investigative reporting.

Only 20 posts before this is regarded as crap

"Or there's nothing new here" - the hipsters response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28593032

 

Enjoy.

Was mildly interesting until they included a quote from the unelected self styled spokesman for the Southampton Fans..... At which point the whole article looses credibility.

Agreed, hardly deep investigative reporting.

It's football, mate, not Dispatchers.

I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece. It's really a special trait of sports journalism that you can write whatever you like and attribute no sources to it. For instance, how does he know this to be true?

Lallana had been the glue which had held the team together. In the dressing room, he was the most popular, a leader who demanded respect and admiration. He joined the club as a 12-year-old and was a key figure as Southampton fought their way back from League One. When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment, others began to question their own futures.

I think people need to stop blaming reports on cortese

Not so long ago, all the rumours in the press were nothing but cortese stirring it. Now after 5 players have left (to clubs they were linked to) people still think this are the works of a bloke who has nothing more to do with us. Odd

Have you guys actually read the article in full? There's new information in there, as far as I'm concerned.

New info? It just puts a negative spin on the whole thing as usual. Shaw and Lallana clearly wanted out whether we tried to keep them or not (and Lovren for that matter). Nothing about the lack of loyalty or commitment from the players to the club who did so much for them.

I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece. It's really a special trait of sports journalism that you can write whatever you like and attribute no sources to it. For instance, how does he know this to be true?

 

Lallana had been the glue which had held the team together. In the dressing room, he was the most popular, a leader who demanded respect and admiration. He joined the club as a 12-year-old and was a key figure as Southampton fought their way back from League One. When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment, others began to question their own futures.

Again, Ben Smith isn't actually mentioned as the author of the piece (he probably is, mind - although, he does tend to take credit for his articles). But you're right, without sources, pinch of salt territory.

I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece. It's really a special trait of sports journalism that you can write whatever you like and attribute no sources to it. For instance, how does he know this to be true?

 

Lallana had been the glue which had held the team together. In the dressing room, he was the most popular, a leader who demanded respect and admiration. He joined the club as a 12-year-old and was a key figure as Southampton fought their way back from League One. When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment, others began to question their own futures.

So basically Adam is responsible for the whole mess......

I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece.

If there is any doubt about that being true at least at the time he was with the club and as he made his exit, read this piece. For context, this was published when Pochettino was first linked with Spurs after AVB got the sack in December.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261

Just had a look who wrote that

Wasn't it Ben Smith who flew to Italy and had an exclusive interview with NC

then it says it all really , Shame smith didn't approach the club directors for their side of the equation

And the likes of lallana and lovrens agents having a pop , as well as NC

Just had a look who wrote that

 

Wasn't it Ben Smith who flew to Italy and had an exclusive interview with NC

 

then it says it all really , Shame smith didn't approach the club directors for their side of the equation

And the likes of lallana and lovrens agents having a pop , as well as NC

Yeah, it's been updated to include Ben Smith as the author now.

I think people need to stop blaming reports on cortese

 

Not so long ago, all the rumours in the press were nothing but cortese stirring it. Now after 5 players have left (to clubs they were linked to) people still think this are the works of a bloke who has nothing more to do with us. Odd

Didn't Guan say the conspiracy was basically BS - said that a lot of the 'negative' press speculation was actually due to the club not reciprocating and providing greater access after the press had initially printed some quite positive stories.

And, of course, all those 'negative' stories came true - that's just the press doing it's job in my book.

Don't tell Viking Warrior though. He still thinks Adam Blackmore has a personal vendetta and that we must all be friendly or related to him whenever anyone cites or defends him.

TBH and couldn't give a f uck why, how or who is to blame anymore what is done is done. Time to move on for me and support the team that are here now, in whatever shape that is. New players are starting to come in, I'm really starting to warm to Koeman, and I've enjoyed the last two pre-season games. Sooner the season starts and I can just concentrate on the football the better hopeful this summer will soon just be a bad memory and we can build a fresh squad of players who ,at least for now, want to be at saints.

Just a summary of events after having a chat to Lallana basically then?

It's football, mate, not Dispatchers.

Hardly an "inside story" though is it? Anyone from here could have cobbled that together. It is also very one sided. Why not get a view from the Board?

Just a long summary really. We knew most of that already. Things that stand out are:

The club not talking to Shaw and Adam (but does not mention where this info came from), says that not once did the club talk to the players, but they were at the WC, we all remember it well. I think the club wanted the money for those two, it was just about getting as much as poss. Why hold talks when you can make a sale?

Adam being the leader of the group? Hmmm, not too sure about that? It always seems to be Fonte but maybe Im wrong there.

The funniest bit is this 'When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment'.... so he wanted out then was angered that the club did not beg him to stay?

Jos to Germany? Anyone know anything about that?

This bit is stupid... 'Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. ' ... Why would a parent not want their kid at Saints? They bring them trough and then move to champ league clubs,,, its the perfect place for youngsters!

Shurlock

Re Don't tell Viking Warrior though. He still thinks Adam Blackmore has a personal vendetta and that we must all be friendly or related to him whenever anyone cites or defends him.

I retracted my impression of Blackmore some weeks back . If you care to check . I got it wrong with him , was just hacked of at the time with most journos

But he is okay and his interview the other day with Ralph was very good

Think that 15 year old academy prospect might have a few choice words for his parents in a couple of years time. I'm sure we'll get on fine without you son

While it might be true, isn't the article based on supposition and one side of the story? I would have thought that if you wanted to write a balanced article that maybe Smith could have asked the club for their input.

"Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. The question now, is where will it all end? When will it all stop?"

What a load of absolute nonsense! Parent:" balls to this, there's no way I want my son to stay here, the young lads end up getting massive contracts at Champions League clubs".

If the parents quoted there are real(99.9% guaranteed made up) they are as thick as Fudge. The BBC are supposed to be above this blatant hyperbole aren' t they?

Just a long summary really. We knew most of that already. Things that stand out are:

 

The club not talking to Shaw and Adam (but does not mention where this info came from), says that not once did the club talk to the players, but they were at the WC, we all remember it well. I think the club wanted the money for those two, it was just about getting as much as poss. Why hold talks when you can make a sale?

 

Adam being the leader of the group? Hmmm, not too sure about that? It always seems to be Fonte but maybe Im wrong there.

 

The funniest bit is this 'When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment'.... so he wanted out then was angered that the club did not beg him to stay?

 

Jos to Germany? Anyone know anything about that?

 

This bit is stupid... 'Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. ' ... Why would a parent not want their kid at Saints? They bring them trough and then move to champ league clubs,,, its the perfect place for youngsters!

Exactly!!! The quality of the academy has been there for many years. If I had a son I'd want him there.

This bit is stupid... 'Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. ' ... Why would a parent not want their kid at Saints? They bring them trough and then move to champ league clubs,,, its the perfect place for youngsters!

I thought the exact same thing: Saints is the place to be for a young player, if you want first team football followed by an inflated transfer to a bigger club

Shurlock

 

Re Don't tell Viking Warrior though. He still thinks Adam Blackmore has a personal vendetta and that we must all be friendly or related to him whenever anyone cites or defends him.

 

I retracted my impression of Blackmore some weeks back . If you care to check . I got it wrong with him , was just hacked of at the time with most journos

 

But he is okay and his interview the other day with Ralph was very good

Fair enough VW There are very few decent and reliable journos out there, so Blackmore's definitely a valuable resource when we're all struggling to cut through the c**p and misinformation.

And don't forget Lallana was already hoping he'd play for Liverpool when he ran out at Anfield....

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Going off track a bit now re the academy

Lowe said we sold the lodge which we did and that had an impact in the academy

But can anyone confirm we now have better digs and facilities for our academy players ?

Don't they stay with local families?