badgerx16 Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Is it ironic that the Government is going to impose a requirement for Unions to need 40% of 'eligible' members to vote for a strike, when less than 25% of 'eligible' voters voted for the Government ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Is it ironic that the Government is going to impose a requirement for Unions to need 40% of 'eligible' members to vote for a strike, when less than 25% of 'eligible' voters voted for the Government ? I think it's called hypocrisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I think it's called hypocrisy Surely not from "righties?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2015 (edited) Is it ironic that the Government is going to impose a requirement for Unions to need 40% of 'eligible' members to vote for a strike, when less than 25% of 'eligible' voters voted for the Government ? Since when did the General Election become a binary choice? I must have missed that one. Still, I'm sure Alanis Morrisette can make a new verse out of your post.... Edited 12 May, 2015 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2015 http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/brendan-oneill/2015/05/labour-lost-the-working-class-vote-a-long-time-ago/ All the talk of reviving Labour with a re-injection of New Labour or Blue Labour or Brownite Labour is like discussing what colour lipstick to put on a corpse. Labour is dead. Its soul — working-class voters — has gone. It’s now little more than a zombie party being puppet-mastered by metropolitan elites and the media classes in a bizarre political danse macabre. A Frankenstein escaped from the 20th century. Well, they can keep it, these Labour-sustaining luvvies, because working-class voters have no more need of it: they’ve made Labour a left-behind party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Since when did the General Election become a binary choice? I must gave missed that one. Still, I'm sure Alanis Morrisette can make a new verse out of your post.... The result is binary; less than 25% voted Tory, over 75% didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 The result is binary; less than 25% voted Tory, over 75% didn't. Everything's binary if you only think of it in black or white. Your figures are irrelevant. All that matters is the number of seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 All that matters is the number of seats. True, but don't claim it's democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 When I think of binary I think of 0 and 1 not black and white. Is this where I've been going wrong all my life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2015 The result is binary; less than 25% voted Tory, over 75% didn't. OK, you've convinced me.... A Tory/UKIP coalition under a PR system would have been a much better outcome.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I think it's called hypocrisy I'd call it comparing apples with oranges http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/brendan-oneill/2015/05/labour-lost-the-working-class-vote-a-long-time-ago/ All the talk of reviving Labour with a re-injection of New Labour or Blue Labour or Brownite Labour is like discussing what colour lipstick to put on a corpse. Labour is dead. Its soul — working-class voters — has gone. It’s now little more than a zombie party being puppet-mastered by metropolitan elites and the media classes in a bizarre political danse macabre. Nail on head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I'd call it comparing apples with oranges Nail on head I read that article myself. Apart from the partisan vindictiveness, it raises some interesting points, particularly about the collapse of the working class vote in the 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Bloody hell, that's my O level maths teacher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 When I think of binary I think of 0 and 1 not black and white. Is this where I've been going wrong all my life? That's its mathematical use. Its wider use means consisting of two parts. If you've been going wrong then there may be other reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I read that article myself. Apart from the partisan vindictiveness, it raises some interesting points, particularly about the collapse of the working class vote in the 1980s. A slightly more serious source: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=101&view=wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 A slightly more serious source: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=101&view=wide Interesting, especially the last few categories which relate to class. Shows why so much time and effort is spent chasing the ABCs. Somewhat makes a mockery of the percentages claimed by the article. At the same time, there are things not present in the raw numbers either, such as social mobility, which if you're getting a council house on the cheap, is quite possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Interesting, especially the last few categories which relate to class. Shows why so much time and effort is spent chasing the ABCs. Somewhat makes a mockery of the percentages claimed by the article. At the same time, there are things not present in the raw numbers either, such as social mobility, which if you're getting a council house on the cheap, is quite possible. Pre-UKIP, the working class vote for Labour has been broadly stable with a cyclical element - no doubt, reflecting the state of the economy and intangibles such as leadership. As to housing, those in council housing and to a lesser extent those renting privately have largely been labour voters. What really stands out, however, is the extent to which Labour has never really managed cracked voters who are owner-occupiers, even at the height of Blairism and the fag end of Tory rule in the early-mid 1990s. https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=93&view=wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 More discrimination from the rabid left. Such a shame that they just cannot take that they lost an election. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/first-a-garden-centre-now-a-coffee-shop-haggerston-espresso-room-owner-applies-10-tory-tax-to-conservative-voting-drinkers-10244629.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 More discrimination from the rabid left. Such a shame that they just cannot take that they lost an election. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/first-a-garden-centre-now-a-coffee-shop-haggerston-espresso-room-owner-applies-10-tory-tax-to-conservative-voting-drinkers-10244629.html Isn't calling the 'left', "rabid"; discrimination? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Isn't calling the 'left', "rabid"; discrimination? Just wondering. No point Lou, there's far too much punctuation in that sentence for a right-winger like Jeff to comprehend. Us lefties have to accommodate those of a lesser disposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 No point Lou, there's far too much punctuation in that sentence for a right-winger like Jeff to comprehend. Us lefties have to accommodate those of a lesser disposition. SuperMikey (very appropriate name, btw). I really struggled with punctuation choices in that sentence. Glad you felt my pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 More discrimination from the rabid left. Such a shame that they just cannot take that they lost an election. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/first-a-garden-centre-now-a-coffee-shop-haggerston-espresso-room-owner-applies-10-tory-tax-to-conservative-voting-drinkers-10244629.html You mean the left are trying to out do the right with discrimination? It's gonna be a tough mountain to climb that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 More discrimination from the rabid left. Such a shame that they just cannot take that they lost an election. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/first-a-garden-centre-now-a-coffee-shop-haggerston-espresso-room-owner-applies-10-tory-tax-to-conservative-voting-drinkers-10244629.html I'm going to tell them I'm a labour voter, then they'll get a rich bloke to pay for my coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 I'm going to tell them I'm a labour voter, then they'll get a rich bloke to pay for my coffee. Typical Tory, always lying to avoid taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 More discrimination from the rabid left. Such a shame that they just cannot take that they lost an election. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/first-a-garden-centre-now-a-coffee-shop-haggerston-espresso-room-owner-applies-10-tory-tax-to-conservative-voting-drinkers-10244629.html Why does anybody think these signs are serious ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 More discrimination from the rabid left. Such a shame that they just cannot take that they lost an election. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/first-a-garden-centre-now-a-coffee-shop-haggerston-espresso-room-owner-applies-10-tory-tax-to-conservative-voting-drinkers-10244629.html Or, it's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Why does anybody think these signs are serious ? The same reason everyone thinks my post is serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Or, it's a joke. Imagine if this was about women, or gays, would it be a 'joke' then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Isn't calling the 'left', "rabid"; discrimination? Just wondering. No. The 'rabid left' is a group of lefties that get all hot and bothered over everything the Conservatives do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Imagine if this was about women, or gays, would it be a 'joke' then? The same reason everyone thinks my post is serious [emoji38] Make your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Make your mind up. It's not a joke to discriminate, which is what you are suggesting. You may find it funny to discriminate against people due to sex, race, political leaning, but then thats the kind of person you are. I think it's a joke, but that doesn't make it right or funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Imagine if this was about women, or gays, would it be a 'joke' then? Just imagine if she started to force people to identify themselves by wearing yellow stars. Imagine that, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 It's not a joke to discriminate, which is what you are suggesting. You may find it funny to discriminate against people due to sex, race, political leaning, but then thats the kind of person you are. I think it's a joke, but that doesn't make it right or funny. So your post that "everybody thought was serious [emoji38] " was serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Just imagine if she started to force people to identify themselves by wearing yellow stars. Imagine that, Jeff. Exactly. Or a green tree or similar. If this was a Conservative 'joke', you guys would be utterly losing your ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Steered clear of this thread after last week's depressing events. Has Jeff worked out he is a Tory yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Just imagine if she started to force people to identify themselves by wearing yellow stars. Imagine that, Jeff. It's the thin end of the wedge and no mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 So your post that "everybody thought was serious [emoji38] " was serious? So you do think discrimination is funny. Guess we've needed a board racist for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Exactly. Or a green tree or similar. If this was a Conservative 'joke', you guys would be utterly losing your ****. No Jeff, I'd think it was facetious and childish and move on. Just like your gravity-defying analogies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 If this was a Conservative 'joke', you guys would be utterly losing your ****. Try me. Post up 50 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 No Jeff, I'd think it was facetious and childish and move on. Just like your gravity-defying analogies. Yeah, course you would. So you agree with my initial post then at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Lefties give you cancer up the bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Neil Kinnock was a nincompoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Yeah, course you would. Glad you agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Try me. Post up 50 right now. 50 what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 The BBC is definitely just like Stalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Glad you agree with me. But you agree with my initial post though I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 50 what? 50 jokes. Let's see if I crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 But you agree with my initial post though I assume? Someone pat him on the head and tell him it's going to be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 May, 2015 Share Posted 13 May, 2015 Someone pat him on the head and tell him it's going to be alright. I'm sure Shurlock will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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