Sexism in football...

I defy anyone whose met Jeff, not to piss in his face.

 

Who Finds This Funny & Who Finds This Non-Funny?

 

Who was president?

prob some MAN

No it's not fair game. That's outrageous. And even if you're fine with it, you're doing others a disservice by not reporting it.

There were 2 other male directors, a project manager and a female chief exec in the meeting, and none of them did anything.

She is known throughout the business as being an utter b1tch, but no-one will stand up to her. From the businesses I have worked in its the way the high level females work, so i accept it. At the end of the day, she's still going to die a b1tch.

To be fair Jeff, it is easier to **** in someone face if you are male. Lots of technical problems for females to **** in someones face unless they are lying down.

I took it as a come on, we've all seen those videos. Not sure if it's sexist or sexual harassment mind.

Did you fck up? I like bosses like that.

Nope, and they now bring in over £100m per year using my Supply Chain Model

She wasn't even my boss, she was the director of the area we were doing the work for.

Here's an uncensored version of the video of fans insulting The Chelsea doctor while she's doing her job.

Do you REALLY think this is just 'banter'?

http://thestamfordshed.com/2015/03/06/sexism-in-football-demands-to-be-addressed/

Really? BANTER? Because I'm struggling to find anything very funny in that clip.

Here's an uncensored version of the video of fans insulting The Chelsea doctor while she's doing her job.

 

Do you REALLY think this is just 'banter'?

 

http://thestamfordshed.com/2015/03/06/sexism-in-football-demands-to-be-addressed/

 

Really? BANTER? Because I'm struggling to find anything very funny in that clip.

Don't think anyone dismissed it as banter. Most people said it was either one or two idiots OR banter. What that ONE bloke says is clearly unacceptable but it isn't the entire stand, it's the action of one mindless idiot.

Here's an uncensored version of the video of fans insulting The Chelsea doctor while she's doing her job.

 

Do you REALLY think this is just 'banter'?

 

http://thestamfordshed.com/2015/03/06/sexism-in-football-demands-to-be-addressed/

 

Really? BANTER? Because I'm struggling to find anything very funny in that clip.

Can anyone translate for me what thick d*ckhead shouting abuse was actually saying? I got the sl*g bit but not the bit before. I'd quite like to see this supposed 'banter' printed here in all its glory.

Can anyone translate for me what thick d*ckhead shouting abuse was actually saying? I got the sl*g bit but not the bit before. I'd quite like to see this supposed 'banter' printed here in all its glory.

"Can you show us where you p1ss from you slag?" and then "Show us your m1nge".

Don't think anyone dismissed it as banter. Most people said it was either one or two idiots OR banter. What that ONE bloke says is clearly unacceptable but it isn't the entire stand, it's the action of one mindless idiot.

The whole stand is singing "get your t*ts out for the lads" in one clip. And in the other "have you ever had a Gooner up your ar*e". With individuals then shouting out even more offensive crap in an aggressive way. Probably seems hilarious from the comfort of the crowd, but she's walking past, as the only female with a group a male colleagues, in a male dominated profession. I can't understand how you can possibly defend this? Or say it is one or two idiots. How many idiots will it take for you to see a problem. 10? 100? Do you really believe this is an isolated incident?

I was more relaxed about it earlier, but that clip, uncensored, is pretty shocking. You're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that's people being over sensitive.

"Can you show us where you p1ss from you slag?" and then "Show us your m1nge".

Thanks Jeff. Good to see what we're dealing with in all its ugly glory.

The whole stand is singing "get your t*ts out for the lads" in one clip. And in the other "have you ever had a Gooner up your ar*e". With individuals then shouting out even more offensive crap in an aggressive way. Probably seems hilarious from the comfort of the crowd, but she's walking past, as the only female with a group a male colleagues, in a male dominated profession. I can't understand how you can possibly defend this? Or say it is one or two idiots. How many idiots will it take for you to see a problem. 10? 100? Do you really believe this is an isolated incident?

 

I was more relaxed about it earlier, but that clip, uncensored, is pretty shocking. You're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that's people being over sensitive.

As I already explained, I have no problem with the tits chant for the reason already specified. I didn't hear the gooner chant tbf which I agree should not be chanted. Again though it sounded to me like a small number but a chant of that nature should not be sung I agree. I don't think it's a widespread problem though, I haven't seen any evidence that it is other than the tits chant.

And when that article sensationalises the problem with lines like this then they lose credibility imo:

Sexist discrimination countlessly occurs every twenty-four hours, and most of the time it unfortunately goes unnoticed.

The whole stand is singing "get your t*ts out for the lads" in one clip. And in the other "have you ever had a Gooner up your ar*e". With individuals then shouting out even more offensive crap in an aggressive way. Probably seems hilarious from the comfort of the crowd, but she's walking past, as the only female with a group a male colleagues, in a male dominated profession. I can't understand how you can possibly defend this? Or say it is one or two idiots. How many idiots will it take for you to see a problem. 10? 100? Do you really believe this is an isolated incident?

 

I was more relaxed about it earlier, but that clip, uncensored, is pretty shocking. You're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that's people being over sensitive.

She should have turned around and said "No, cos I've heard all Arsenal fans have AIDS."

It's a ****tish thing to say, but would it even register? It's not like any of them know her.

If a random person called you a slag, the same as many people on here call me a ****, would it actually bother you? They don't know you, so surely it's not a big issue. It's not as if your career is impacted by not getting that promotion or anything like that.

I don't know, but I know if someone said something like that to me on the forum i would think they're weird twåts, but it wouldn't actually bother me.

Thanks Jeff. Good to see what we're dealing with in all its ugly glory.

Yep not nice. The vast vast majority know where the line is but clearly one idiot doesn't here.

She should have turned around and said "No, cos I've heard all Arsenal fans have AIDS."

 

It's a ****tish thing to say, but would it even register? It's not like any of them know her.

 

If a random person called you a slag, the same as many people on here call me a ****, would it actually bother you? They don't know you, so surely it's not a big issue. It's not as if your career is impacted by not getting that promotion or anything like that.

 

I don't know, but I know if someone said something like that to me on the forum i would think they're weird twåts, but it wouldn't actually bother me.

Jeff, that's because you don't have to put up with crap like this on a regular basis. Most women do. And it often gets nasty or intimidating.

I'm exasperated at the ease at which both you and Hypo seem to be able to brush this under the carpet with little empathy, or at least interest to understand more, from the opposite perspective. Which suggests it's probably time for me to leave this debate alone, because I don't want to be annoyed with either of you.

Jeff, that's because you don't have to put up with crap like this on a regular basis. Most women do. And it often gets nasty or intimidating.

 

I'm exasperated at the ease at which both you and Hypo seem to be able to brush this under the carpet with little empathy, or at least interest to understand more, from the opposite perspective. Which suggests it's probably time for me to leave this debate alone, because I don't want to be annoyed with either of you.

You don't think I get abuse on here regularly? You think Alpine doesn't get called 'fat' five times daily? I think this may be due to where you live, because the women I have talked to, and thats 4 at the moment, haven't ever been abused to anywhere the levels you have.

I am interested to know why you find it so offensive when someone doesn't know you and shouts something from distance at you.

Jeff, that's because you don't have to put up with crap like this on a regular basis. Most women do. And it often gets nasty or intimidating.

 

I'm exasperated at the ease at which both you and Hypo seem to be able to brush this under the carpet with little empathy, or at least interest to understand more, from the opposite perspective. Which suggests it's probably time for me to leave this debate alone, because I don't want to be annoyed with either of you.

To be honest I'm pretty exasperated by your fervent desire to make out that this problem is something bigger than a few idiots in a football crowd.

Jeff, that's because you don't have to put up with crap like this on a regular basis. Most women do. And it often gets nasty or intimidating.

 

I'm exasperated at the ease at which both you and Hypo seem to be able to brush this under the carpet with little empathy, or at least interest to understand more, from the opposite perspective. Which suggests it's probably time for me to leave this debate alone, because I don't want to be annoyed with either of you.

I stepped away from this thread as whilst I think the FA are being a bunch of divs (as usual), you seem a bit too angry about it, so thought it best not to bother replying.

I can not believe (or perhaps I should expect it by now) the open misogyny in this thread. It's clear sexism is everywhere, and that a lot of people just don't get it. Why the hell should women have to go day to day being treatment like an object and subject to different standards? It shouldn't be acceptable or the norm.

I stepped away from this thread as whilst I think the FA are being a bunch of divs (as usual), you seem a bit too angry about it, so thought it best not to bother replying.

Hi Patrick,

I'm not angry. I was just shocked by the uncensored clip, and exasperated by the response to it (or lack of) on here. But smart girl that I am, I've realised that my take on this is a million miles off some of the other posters on here, so there's no value in extending the debate. I'm glad I raised it, but I can see it's not going to go anywhere. So I'm leaving it at that.

Thanks.

I can not believe (or perhaps I should expect it by now) the open misogyny in this thread. It's clear sexism is everywhere, and that a lot of people just don't get it. Why the hell should women have to go day to day being treatment like an object and subject to different standards? It shouldn't be acceptable or the norm.

Exactly

The problem from my point of view is the fact that this abuse is seen as worse than all the other abuse that goes on at football. Why differentiate, and why not say it's the same for all abuse? Why is the abuse above, worse than a lot of the abuse people have and give on here?

The problem from my point of view is the fact that this abuse is seen as worse than all the other abuse that goes on at football. Why differentiate, and why not say it's the same for all abuse? Why is the abuse above, worse than a lot of the abuse people have and give on here?

And how do we differentiate between abuse and a bit of banter from the crowd? Should we be singing songs such as "this towns a sh*thole" for example or about shooting pompey scum for fear of offending them? To my mind, singing about kicking a pompey fans head in is infinitely worse than singing get your tits out.

Ooh, LOL, Jeff and Hypo are really going for it now! Go boys, do your business !! You'll feel better afterwards! I'm not going to call you on it! Say what you really think!!

The problem from my point of view is the fact that this abuse is seen as worse than all the other abuse that goes on at football. Why differentiate, and why not say it's the same for all abuse? Why is the abuse above, worse than a lot of the abuse people have and give on here?

Stop standing by and excusing this kind of abuse. There's no need for a scale or a comparison here, this kind of stuff is **** and what you are saying is a recipe for inaction which isn't productive. We should conemn, and work to eradicate.

I can not believe (or perhaps I should expect it by now) the open misogyny in this thread. It's clear sexism is everywhere, and that a lot of people just don't get it. Why the hell should women have to go day to day being treatment like an object and subject to different standards? It shouldn't be acceptable or the norm.

Andy, don't go all sensible on me now (you too BTF). I'm relying on this thread to cure me of my addiction to Saintsweb! It's starting to work!!!

I KNEW what Andy would post before I even opened the thread. Of course young Andy, sexism is EVERYWHERE.

Yes, women are structurally and systematically disadvantaged the world over. The kind of stuff discussed in this thread is just symptomatic of that.

Stop standing by and excusing this kind of abuse. There's no need for a scale or a comparison here, this kind of stuff is **** and what you are saying is a recipe for inaction which isn't productive. We should conemn, and work to eradicate.

Pretty sure everyone has said the personal stuff from that one bloke was unacceptable.

Personally I think they should encourage more women to join the army. Surely it'd be an advantage to have soldiers who can bleed for a week and not die.

Most women's sports are absolutely dire too

Most women's sports are absolutely dire too

They're good probation officers though, they never let anyone finish a sentence.

Personally I think they should encourage more women to join the army. Surely it'd be an advantage to have soldiers who can bleed for a week and not die.

LOL. I'm sure it's not the intended effect, but I'm actually starting to quite like Turkish!

LOL. I'm sure it's not the intended effect, but I'm actually starting to quite like Turkish!

Surely you should feel demeaned and insulted by the blatant Sexism on display?

Surely you should feel demeaned and insulted by the blatant Sexism on display?

Imagine if the world was run by women. There would be no wars fuelled by male testosterone, but the world would be full of jealous countries who don't talk to each other.

Surely you should feel demeaned and insulted by the blatant Sexism on display?

It wasn't sexist (whether or not Turkish intended it to be) - it was true!

Coxford_lou, you're really growing on me more, I think you'd make a perfect Saints Forum troll, you have definite potential!

Stop standing by and excusing this kind of abuse. There's no need for a scale or a comparison here, this kind of stuff is **** and what you are saying is a recipe for inaction which isn't productive. We should conemn, and work to eradicate.

I have done, it's not on, but all abuse is not on, and i would say their is more fatist abuse, and certainly more ref, player and fan abuse than sexist, so let's deal with that first shall we? If we did it would surely take out the sexist abuse at the same time?

What I find funny, is that people are isolating sexist abuse here, not wanting to talk about all the other types of abuse that happens at football, saying it's incomparable.

That, my friends, is discrimination.

It wasn't sexist (whether or not Turkish intended it to be) - it was true!

But you said earlier that saying "nice tits" is sexist. If you have nice tits, surely that's true?

But you said earlier that saying "nice tits" is sexist. If you have nice tits, surely that's true?

It's a weird one and it works both ways, but you never hear of the other way round. I was stood talking to a colleague a few years ago and I hear "bloody hell you've got an amazing ar*e". No word of a lie, I was a bit shocked when I spun round and saw one of my female co-workers.

I mean, she was lovely and I would have at the time, but ... had I said that to her, or commented on her boobs, what's the betting some busy-body listening in would have reported me to HR?

It's a weird one and it works both ways, but you never hear of the other way round. I was stood talking to a colleague a few years ago and I hear "bloody hell you've got an amazing ar*e". No word of a lie, I was a bit shocked when I spun round and saw one of my female co-workers.

I mean, she was lovely and I would have at the time, but ... had I said that to her, or commented on her boobs, what's the betting some busy-body listening in would have reported me to HR?

How did the colleague you were speaking to respond to the complement she gave him?

How did the colleague you were speaking to respond to the complement she gave him?

Boom!! Nice one, Turdish (lol) ...

It's a weird one and it works both ways, but you never hear of the other way round. I was stood talking to a colleague a few years ago and I hear "bloody hell you've got an amazing ar*e". No word of a lie, I was a bit shocked when I spun round and saw one of my female co-workers.

I mean, she was lovely and I would have at the time, but ... had I said that to her, or commented on her boobs, what's the betting some busy-body listening in would have reported me to HR?

That's an utter disgrace. I'll be offended on your behalf. Sexism is just everywhere these days.

Coxford_lou, you're really growing on me more, I think you'd make a perfect Saints Forum troll, you have definite potential!

I've certainly got good thread response rates! With a bit more training I'm sure I could turn nasty too! Does that mean I can join the Birmingham Bully Boy Club?!

Actually, er, no thanks.

It's a weird one and it works both ways, but you never hear of the other way round. I was stood talking to a colleague a few years ago and I hear "bloody hell you've got an amazing ar*e". No word of a lie, I was a bit shocked when I spun round and saw one of my female co-workers.

I mean, she was lovely and I would have at the time, but ... had I said that to her, or commented on her boobs, what's the betting some busy-body listening in would have reported me to HR?

I don't think any male would have a problem with this and I think this is why for alot of men it is difficult to empathise. I think what was said was inherently wrong, and shouldn't be said (mainly cos I don't think kids should hear that kind of language, and i wouldn't want to either), BUT I am not sure why someone would take offence at that.

When I was in my summer job a woman who was well in her fifties used to always ask me 'when I was going give her one'. Was tricky knowing how to respond as a temp. Got over it mind

That's an utter disgrace. I'll be offended on your behalf. Sexism is just everywhere these days.

Young Andy was right as usual

When I was in my summer job a woman who was well in her fifties used to always ask me 'when I was going give her one'. Was tricky knowing how to respond as a temp. Got over it mind

So bad you had to post it twice...

I've certainly got good thread response rates! With a bit more training I'm sure I could turn nasty too! Does that mean I can join the Birmingham Bully Boy Club?!

 

Actually, er, no thanks.

Sorry, no women allowed, like any decent golf club.