What's wrong with Martina?

Is he really that bad, that RK would rather play a back-up CB in the full-back role? I know his previous club said we were welcome to him, but on the odd occasions I've been to SMS and seen him, he's looked ok. He's no Clyne, but quick enough, ok on the ball, tracked back etc.

Am I missing something? And Cedric's not always picked - is he injury prone or something? Surely RK isn't, playing Yoshi in preference to Cedric?

Apologies if it's already going on in another thread, ain't been in here in awhile.

Is he really that bad, that RK would rather play a back-up CB in the full-back role? I know his previous club said we were welcome to him, but on the odd occasions I've been to SMS and seen him, he's looked ok. He's no Clyne, but quick enough, ok on the ball, tracked back etc.

 

Am I missing something? And Cedric's not always picked - is he injury prone or something? Surely RK isn't, playing Yoshi in preference to Cedric?

 

Apologies if it's already going on in another thread, ain't been in here in awhile.

Who can possibly try to guess the real reasons for any of the strange, quirky tricks the manager plays on us with his team selections from time to time.

The little I saw of him, he reminded me a bit of Jermaine Wright.

I think that if we weren't in the Europa league we wouldn't of signed him. Although in the two appearances he made against Newcastle and Man UTD he didnt do anything wrong. Strange how he didnt play in the rotated squad game vs MK Dons.

Bertrand being injured was also probably a reason why we got him

The Europa League shouldn't have been a reason to sign him.

If he isn't deemed good enough for the Premier League then why would he be good enough for the Europa League?

Seems like a case of a signing for the sake of it, potentially at the expense of someone like Jack Stephens playing a squad role and almost certain we wouldnt have signed him if Erwin Koeman hadnt managed him before.

If they thought Cedric was going to need time to settle they should have got someone better.

Only a short time ago we had Clyne and Chambers!

Terrible waste of money and nobody understands why he ended up here !

The black-box had malware on the day it suggested him.

He was clearly signed as cover across the back 4. At the time we only had 2 senior CBs and knew we wouldn't get vvd until end Aug. Bertrsnd was also injured and we only had Cedric to cover RB. Lack of confidence in McCarthy, Stephens and Turnbull meant we went for a cheapo emergency cover. Daft really but probably seemed a good idea at the time. No one foresaw Cedric haing recurring eye problems either, he was brought in as backup to Clyne but knowing that Clyne might still leave which of course is what transpired. Now we seem to be stuck with Cuca who is really not good enough for the PL.

I reckon RK allows erwin one transfer per window. This was erwin's call

I think we signed him due to the various injuries. With Gardos out long-term, Bertrand out short-term, no-cover at RB with a new untried RB coming in and a youngster as cover at LB, it made sense to try and sign a utility player (just should have been a better one). We couldn't have been that convinced, as he only got a 2yr deal - didn't he? Which is strange for the PL at his age and goes against the general policy of improving the squad. He'll end up on loan to a Dutch club next season.

I think we signed him due to the various injuries. With Gardos out long-term, Bertrand out short-term, no-cover at RB with a new untried RB coming in and a youngster as cover at LB, it made sense to try and sign a utility player (just should have been a better one). We couldn't have been that convinced, as he only got a 2yr deal - didn't he? Which is strange for the PL at his age and goes against the general policy of improving the squad. He'll end up on loan to a Dutch club next season.

Or hopefully even sooner...Waste of space, time and money..got to be because Yoshida starts at RB.

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Or hopefully even sooner...Waste of space, time and money..got to be because Yoshida starts at RB.

the real disappointment has to be he has taken bench/playing time away from one of the younger lads we have sent out on loan.

The little I saw of him, he reminded me a bit of Jermaine Wright.

More Carlton Palmer to me.

If he was only intended to be a short term cover, why wasn't he loaned in? Or another loan target looked at.

More Carlton Palmer to me.

haha. carlton palmer is EXACTLY who he looks like, with uncontrollable legs and a tiny torso

haha. carlton palmer is EXACTLY who he looks like, with uncontrollable legs and a tiny torso

I reckon RK allows erwin one transfer per window. This was erwin's call

I agree absolutely, but it doesn't mean that he's a total waste of space, but giving someone a 20 mins. sub app. a few times a season isn't the best way to bring him on.

I agree absolutely, but it doesn't mean that he's a total waste of space, but giving someone a 20 mins. sub app. a few times a season isn't the best way to bring him on.

To be fair, on the few occasions that I've seen him play he didn't seem to do anything particularly wrong.

The black-box had malware on the day it suggested him.

Seems we used the zx81 for this one. Beyond bizzare. He really does appear to be a shocker. Second cousin twice removed of Ali Dia.

I'd like to see him and Juanmi loaned out to the Championship in January since they serve little use for us at the moment. With some playing time under their belts, we can judge them a bit better.

I'd like to see him and Juanmi loaned out to the Championship in January since they serve little use for us at the moment. With some playing time under their belts, we can judge them a bit better.

Not going to happen...

I'd like to see him and Juanmi loaned out to the Championship in January since they serve little use for us at the moment. With some playing time under their belts, we can judge them a bit better.

Koeman was quoted as saying he said no to a number of under 21 player loans because the squad isn't deep enough so I don't think he will loan out those two. Juanmi might get a chance with injuries and suspensions at some stage and then will be up to him to stake a claim on a regular spot. Clearly Martina will get a go when hell freezes over and Doris the tea lady is injured and there is literally no one else to play ....unless a fan brought his football boots in that day in which case Martina can go back to the bench.

According to Redslo's latest blog using FM16 data Martina is on £20k per week. Result.

Complete donkey in Koemans eyes. And mostly everyone else's. Still, $20K per week aint bad if you can get it. Whoever sanctioned that signing should be on a written warning.

Is he really that bad, that RK would rather play a back-up CB in the full-back role? I know his previous club said we were welcome to him, but on the odd occasions I've been to SMS and seen him, he's looked ok. He's no Clyne, but quick enough, ok on the ball, tracked back etc.

 

Am I missing something? And Cedric's not always picked - is he injury prone or something? Surely RK isn't, playing Yoshi in preference to Cedric?

 

Apologies if it's already going on in another thread, ain't been in here in awhile.

Martina was signed on a (relatively) short term deal to cover the back 4 when it consisted of

Cedric (injured), Fonte, Yoshida and Targett.

Bertrand was out for a further 6 weeks, even McCarthy was injured, Gardos was injured, and Caulker and Van Dijk were still playing for other clubs at the time.

Wouldn't be surprised if Cedric was rested on the weekend, though he could also have been left out as a concussion precaution after a LOT of head injuries this season.

Martina was signed on a (relatively) short term deal to cover the back 4 when it consisted of

 

Cedric (injured), Fonte, Yoshida and Targett.

 

Bertrand was out for a further 6 weeks, even McCarthy was injured, Gardos was injured, and Caulker and Van Dijk were still playing for other clubs at the time.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if Cedric was rested on the weekend, though he could also have been left out as a concussion precaution after a LOT of head injuries this season.

good analysis, but let's hope we don't have to use him too much all the same....but then again....who knows?.

Strange signing for me. The few times he has come on he offers no defensive solidity and has no attacking threat. I like the comparison some have made with Jermaine Wright, and I'd add he reminds me of Graham Potter who Souness signed back in the 90's. He looked like he didn't know what to do and so does this fella.

I'm surprised everyone's talking about how bad he is when he's barely kicked a ball for us.

Don't get me wrong - the manager obviously sees the players day-in-day out in training and he's clearly seen enough to make up his mind - but people are talking about Martina being terrible and awful and whatnot as if he's been in the starting XI for half a season.

I'm surprised everyone's talking about how bad he is when he's barely kicked a ball for us.

 

Don't get me wrong - the manager obviously sees the players day-in-day out in training and he's clearly seen enough to make up his mind - but people are talking about Martina being terrible and awful and whatnot as if he's been in the starting XI for half a season.

Sometimes the proof is not in what you see but in what you don't see. You didn't see Martina starting at RB last Saturday so that means he's not seen as being "as good as" Yoshida, thus you've gotta know that he's not great.

I thought the whole point of having a transfer committee was to avoid signings like this. It doesn't matter how much he earns, he goes into the same bracket as Gaston and Osvaldo as signings made without being approved or suggested by the scouting teams