Winning "OUR" league

Having a good look at the league table earlier and its interesting how quickly its taken shape this season. I have spoken a lot about football hierarchies and levels and spoken about the 3 leagues within the premier league.

For me the Top 6 are on another level now - over the summer they have invested and have appointed the best managers. Yesterday proved we are definitely NOT a top 6 side

Then you have the middle pack - includes us

& Finally the also-rans the duffs in the pack that will try to avoid finishing bottom 3

Key for us is to win "our" league and if we do we finish 7th

Current table + levels

Liverpool

Manchester City

Chelsea

Arsenal

Tottenham

Manchester Utd

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Everton

Watford

Bournemouth

Southampton

Burnley

West Brom

Stoke

Leicester

Middlesbrough

Crystal Palace

West Ham

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Hull

Sunderland

Swansea

Prepare for the abuse ??

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Level 2 has too many members

I'd drop Bompey, Burnley and Watford and Boro into the duffers group

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Level 2 has too many members

 

I'd drop Bompey, Burnley and Watford and Boro into the duffers group

 

 

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Burnley and Middlesbrough are duffs - I've used the colours to define

Watford and Bournemouth are borderline but invested sensibly during the summer

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okay so what is your point

We will never reach "Level 1/2"? And that we'll remain level 4?

I actually agree with this.

7th or 8th in Puel's first season would be really good.

9th - 13th : not bad if we progress in Europe, decent cup run etc.

Below that would be a bit disappointing unless we actually won a cup!

We're trying to instill a different style of play and we've got loads of matches.

okay so what is your point

 

 

We will never reach "Level 1/2"?

For now it's about acceptance I guess, for me at least I have desperately wanted us to break the top 5 (taste the champions league etc) but realistically it's not our league and I can be fairer to the team and manager by breaking it down like this

If we can win our league (finish 7th overall) I think we've done brilliant

I would say you're marginally ahead of Dalek, but a loooong way behind the Troll from the Tyrol.

I'm not sure he's trolling this time. We clearly won't finish top 6 and there's nothing wrong with that this season. 7th-12th more then acceptable with some decent cup runs and going far in Europe.

I'm not sure he's trolling this time. We clearly won't finish top 6 and there's nothing wrong with that this season. 7th-12th more then acceptable with some decent cup runs and going far in Europe.

I agree. The idea of there being three leagues is about right. other than the top 6 and Everton, who will never be relegated, all the rest of the clubs have to look over their shoulder every season. We have lost ground over the summer and we are in danger of slipping back in the third league.

"Our" league!! There is one league and no point pretending that the them and us is OK. It isn't. It's shiit. Better than some other countries, but still makes the league a joke. Yes, LCFC won it last year but that was a fluke rather than the norm.

Personally don't care too much about the league this season. Europa it is for me. I know one leads to the other, but we are there now and need to grab the opportunity.

"Our" league!! There is one league and no point pretending that the them and us is OK. It isn't. It's shiit. Better than some other countries, but still makes the league a joke. Yes, LCFC won it last year but that was a fluke rather than the norm.

 

Personally don't care too much about the league this season. Europa it is for me. I know one leads to the other, but we are there now and need to grab the opportunity.

Imho we won't finish top 6 again for a while - in fact I'd fancy Newcastle to finish top 6 in the premier league before us and they are not even in the premier league

Win "our" league that's the best we can hope for

And I agree with a few others - if (if) we have a good run in Europe I'd take finishing 2nd or 3rd in "our" league this season

Our aims are vastly different to what Bournemouth aim to achieve.

Our aims are vastly different to what Bournemouth aim to achieve.

Imho we are now closer to AFCB than we are to Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool

AFCB are unlikely to win our league, while we should expect to - but they are still in "our" league

Imho we are now closer to AFCB than we are to Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool

 

AFCB are unlikely to win our league, while we should expect to - but they are still in "our" league

This is true.

Remember last season we finished nearly 5th and only 3 points below 4th. I don't think we'll do so well this year agreed, but there's no reason why we couldn't strengthen, in the modest way we do, and have a go at that again next season.

Imho we won't finish top 6 again for a while - in fact I'd fancy Newcastle to finish top 6 in the premier league before us and they are not even in the premier league

 

Win "our" league that's the best we can hope for

 

And I agree with a few others - if (if) we have a good run in Europe I'd take finishing 2nd or 3rd in "our" league this season

Yeah but if Newcastle come up are they in our league or level one? What about Leeds if they came up? If Norwich come are are they our league or the league below?

Bit lost what is the criteria for being in what league? You let a team with a 12k capacity ground in our league but put one in the bottom league with a 40k stadium? Or is it only based on one season so we decide what league you are in 10 games in?

Remember last season we finished nearly 5th and only 3 points below 4th. I don't think we'll do so well this year agreed, but there's no reason why we couldn't strengthen, in the modest way we do, and have a go at that again next season.

6th, and I do think last season was a fluke by all means. It won't happen for a while yet.

We won't finish top 6 for a while.

I'm just gutted about how far Stoke have fallen.

They were streaking away from us and on the cusp of level two (of four) last time our Master Craftsman developed a ranking system (about eight weeks ago), now they're down among the dead men with us in a newly minted "middle pack" second league thing.

Feel real bad for them. :-( :-(

I'm just gutted about how far Stoke have fallen.

 

They were streaking away from us and on the cusp of level two (of four) last time our Master Craftsman developed a ranking system (about eight weeks ago), now they're down among the dead men with us in a newly minted "middle pack" second league thing.

 

Feel real bad for them.

These super complicated football hierarchies will be really really hard for some to understand and comprehend so don't feel bad - but 99.99% of football fans/people will grasp it, so if you have questions just ask mate

These super complicated football hierarchies will be really really hard for some to understand and comprehend so don't feel bad - but 99.99% of football fans/people will grasp it, so if you have questions just ask mate

Thanks for all the PMs, they really helped me understand it all.

I feel like a right expert now :-) :-) :-)

"Our" league!! There is one league and no point pretending that the them and us is OK. It isn't. It's shiit. Better than some other countries, but still makes the league a joke. Yes, LCFC won it last year but that was a fluke rather than the norm.

 

Personally don't care too much about the league this season. Europa it is for me. I know one leads to the other, but we are there now and need to grab the opportunity.

I'm 100% with this. We're not going to be fantastic in the league, so let's concentrate on the cups/Europa. Being a fan is about having hope of winning something, so the cups it is . Sod it, why aim low, let's win this Europa league, champions league it is then . We've got to be serious in the cups etc. We ARE too good to go down, so let's go and win something. Please!

'Our league' is the Premier League - if we can't aim to win that we're aiming for mediocrity! That may not be how the owners see it you'd have to ask them, but it's what we the fans should be aspiring to however unlikely you think that it may be

I think we'll struggle in our 'mini-league' as while Puel persists with his rotation system I think our form will continue to stutter. He needs to work out his best side and stick with it as often as possible so that they get used to one another and individual players build their confidence and performance levels. To change the team for every game is not conducive to getting the best out of what we've got. A player like Boufal will not get to grips with the pace and power of the Prem if he is in one game and out the next. Stop the tinkering unless an individual player is absolutely knackered. Continuity is what we need.

Well, as long as we stay out the bottom three of our league then I am happy.

I think we'll struggle in our 'mini-league' as while Puel persists with his rotation system I think our form will continue to stutter. He needs to work out his best side and stick with it as often as possible so that they get used to one another and individual players build their confidence and performance levels. To change the team for every game is not conducive to getting the best out of what we've got. A player like Boufal will not get to grips with the pace and power of the Prem if he is in one game and out the next. Stop the tinkering unless an individual player is absolutely knackered. Continuity is what we need.

Er, right. We're playing Saturday-Thursday-Sunday or similar most weeks now and clubs in Europe need large squads and player rotation. It's not "tinkering" It's what we have to do.

If he stops 'tinkering' then every player will be knackered, and that will be another thing for a few to moan about.

I remember last season when they said "Leicester have changed everything. The Premiership has changed forever" yeah right.

Imho we won't finish top 6 again for a while - in fact I'd fancy Newcastle to finish top 6 in the premier league before us and they are not even in the premier league

 

Win "our" league that's the best we can hope for

 

And I agree with a few others - if (if) we have a good run in Europe I'd take finishing 2nd or 3rd in "our" league this season

Sorry but you and your opinions are an irrelevance. I think NUFC would win the PL before you made any sense.

These super complicated football hierarchies will be really really hard for some to understand and comprehend so don't feel bad - but 99.99% of football fans/people will grasp it, so if you have questions just ask mate

99% of football fans or pundit experts seem to know **** all so that's reassuring.

99% of football fans or pundit experts seem to know **** all so that's reassuring.

I agree it's too bad that all the people who know about football are busy driving taxicabs and cutting hair

Sorry but you and your opinions are an irrelevance. I think NUFC would win the PL before you made any sense.

Sorry Angelman but you grossly over value the importance of his opinions....

Just saw that WBA won Monday....

That's us down to 5th in "our" league

COYR

First H post I can remember for a while that was objective and made sense. Same as last year, we are aiming for 7th. It is just nice to play the 'big' teams and actually take the game to them.

Imho we are now closer to AFCB than we are to Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool

 

AFCB are unlikely to win our league, while we should expect to - but they are still in "our" league

To be clear to everyone that doesn't realise he is trolling.

He has decided that we have no chance of being a top 6 team...... 12 games after Leicester won the league.

Why the forum mods put up with this crap from Glasgow and a number of other posters I'll never understand.

CBA to read glasgow's nonsense, he uses sad face emojis as bullet points ffs.

So I will obtusely assume that 'our' league refers to Europa.

Bring it on.

He decided that we have no chance of being a top 6 team...... 12 games after Leicester won the league.

 

You honestly think we can or will finish top 6?

We are just inside the top 6 in "our" league mate

You honestly think we can or will finish top 6?

Depends if we're in as bad a position as last season come the turn of the year I guess...

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I'd drop Bompey, Burnley and Watford and Boro into the duffers group

 

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Why?

Great result for AFCB and delighted they beat Liverpool (I hate Liverpool)

Problem is it's dropped us down to 6th in our league

Great result for AFCB and delighted they beat Liverpool (I hate Liverpool)

 

Problem is it's dropped us down to 6th in our league

You still on here

Deserved more than 1 bite in an hour IMO

I do feel sorry for him, I must admit. It was one of his better attempts.

My daughter learnt to ride a bike yesterday. A little late as she is six but a proud moment for a dad none the less.

I actually agree with this.

 

7th or 8th in Puel's first season would be really good.

 

9th - 13th : not bad if we progress in Europe, decent cup run etc.

 

Below that would be a bit disappointing unless we actually won a cup!

 

We're trying to instill a different style of play and we've got loads of matches.

This. And we should aim for top six again next year.

Slightly unexpected result today for Everton today

Leaves us 9 points off 7th - however we have favourable fixtures coming up and 5 of our next 6 are against Sunderland, Swansea, WHU, Leicester and Watford (3 @ home)

Could look alot different come mid Feb

Slightly unexpected result today for Everton today

 

Leaves us 9 points off 7th - however we have favourable fixtures coming up and 5 of our next 6 are against Sunderland, Swansea, WHU, Leicester and Watford (3 @ home)

 

Could look alot different come mid Feb

 

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I think after yesterday we can be certain there are no favourable fixtures, anyone can beat us.

I think after yesterday we can be certain there are no favourable fixtures, anyone can beat us.

Trying to stay optimistic mate

We havent lost to WHU, Watford, Swansea, Sunderland or Leicester so far this season (taken 9 points of the 5 sides)

Trying to stay optimistic mate

You're a better a better man than me.