magnet Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Hard to believe but apparently were the joint 4th in top pressing teams according to this article. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/762674/Premier-League-stats-pressing-teams-Premier-League-ranked-sportgalleries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 I can believe that. Our front players and midfield clearly work very hard without the ball. This pressing however, as with our time under Pochettino does leave us in a position where the opposition are pushed back, limiting space for us when attacking. Saying that, we are still making chances! Once/If we start converting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Pressing is a strange tactic. You may win the ball higher up the field , but the space between the lines is minimal with the opposition getting men behind the ball in a reduced and therefore congested area. It also suits defending opponents like Leicester last year, or Chelsea at St Marys this season , hitting us on the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Hard to believe but apparently were the joint 4th in top pressing teams according to this article. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/762674/Premier-League-stats-pressing-teams-Premier-League-ranked-sportgalleries The only thing you can take from that article is that there is so little difference between any of the teams (except possibly Liverpool) that it is statistically meaningless. You cannot take from that that any team does it any better or any worse than any other. Range 51/7 to 56/10 is nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 You can win the ball back in the other teams half without pressing....just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 you can see with your very own eyes how different we are under the last three managers. We don't press at all under Puel (except the Liverpool home cup game for some reason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 (edited) you can see with your very own eyes how different we are under the last three managers. We don't press at all under Puel (except the Liverpool home cup game for some reason). No we do press but in general we now only do it in own half (unlike poch who liked to press high) we seem content to sit in shape and let the other team have the ball until they cross the halfway line then we press. I guess that is because Puel wants to draw the other team out to leave space for a counter attack. We have pressed all over the pitch at times though first 15mins against spurs and second half against Bournemouth come to mind. Edited 3 February, 2017 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 No we do press but in general we now only do it in own half (unlike poch who liked to prees high) we seem content to sit in shape and let the other team have the ball until they cross the halfway line then we press. I guess that is because Puel wants to draw the other team out to leave space for a counter attack. We have pressed all over the pitch at times though first 15mins against spurs and second half against Bournemouth come to mind. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeham_69 Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 No we do press but in general we now only do it in own half (unlike poch who liked to press high) we seem content to sit in shape and let the other team have the ball until they cross the halfway line then we press. I guess that is because Puel wants to draw the other team out to leave space for a counter attack. We have pressed all over the pitch at times though first 15mins against spurs and second half against Bournemouth come to mind. Except that when the counter attack is on, more often than not we pass the ball backwards or sideways and allow the opposition time to set up defensively. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Except that when the counter attack is on, more often than not we pass the ball backwards or sideways and allow the opposition time to set up defensively. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not arguing that our counter attacking doesn't need working on but it doesn't change the fact that we do press just much further back on the pitch than we did under Poch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 At what point does pressing in your own half just become plain old defending? Wasn't the whole novelty of pressing as popularised by Bielsa, Pep & Poch that it takes place high in the opposition half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Except that when the counter attack is on, more often than not we pass the ball backwards or sideways and allow the opposition time to set up defensively. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Conserving energy, it's a long season, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeham_69 Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Conserving energy, it's a long season, Good possibilities etc etc Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 At what point does pressing in your own half just become plain old defending? Wasn't the whole novelty of pressing as popularised by Bielsa, Pep & Poch that it takes place high in the opposition half? http://www.soccer-coaches.com/introduction-of-pressing-in-soccer/ Types of Pressing The field can be divided into three zones. If Pressing is applied in the opponent’s half or close to the opponent’s goal, it is called High-Pressure or Forechecking. This is a hockey term where player apply pressure in the attacking third. If a team drops into its own half to defend, this is called Low-Pressure. The most common type of Pressing is Midfield Pressing. Pressing is applied in the area of 15m distance from halfway line in both the opponent’s half and the team’s own half. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Hard to believe but apparently were the joint 4th in top pressing teams according to this article. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/762674/Premier-League-stats-pressing-teams-Premier-League-ranked-sportgalleries Typo maybe? Missed the preceding letters De Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 February, 2017 Share Posted 4 February, 2017 you can see with your very own eyes how different we are under the last three managers. We don't press at all under Puel (except the Liverpool home cup game for some reason). I didn't think we pressed very much under Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldeuboi Posted 4 February, 2017 Share Posted 4 February, 2017 I didn't think we pressed very much under Koeman. It's the old "last season revisionism" back to haunt us. Last season: Long balls to Pellè = Exhilarating quick passing football Pellè chasing down a defender without any support from other players = High team pressing Most headed goals in the league = tiki taka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 4 February, 2017 Share Posted 4 February, 2017 http://www.soccer-coaches.com/introduction-of-pressing-in-soccer/ Types of Pressing The field can be divided into three zones. If Pressing is applied in the opponent’s half or close to the opponent’s goal, it is called High-Pressure or Forechecking. This is a hockey term where player apply pressure in the attacking third. If a team drops into its own half to defend, this is called Low-Pressure. The most common type of Pressing is Midfield Pressing. Pressing is applied in the area of 15m distance from halfway line in both the opponent’s half and the team’s own half. . Low-pressure pressing sounds a touch contradictory, n'est pas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 February, 2017 Share Posted 4 February, 2017 Low-pressure pressing sounds a touch contradictory, n'est pas? Its still pressing though all pressing is in its basic form is going to the man on the ball to deny him time and space there is plenty of variation on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 February, 2017 Share Posted 4 February, 2017 It's funny how the games changed over the last few years. Even watching local stuff sides are pressing. I played with a few expros and they used to tell us to let the centre halfs have the ball and concentrate on stopping the full backs bringing the ball out from the back . Ball playing centre halves now mean you can't do that . The other thing I've noticed in the game is forwards now seem to be resting when their own side have the ball, rather than when the opposition have it. They don't make runs into the channels as much , and are pretty static whilst the back four fanny around with it. The work rate comes when they're trying to get the ball back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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