Dr Richard Steadman

Any ideas how much a consultation with him would be?!

Is this like the skit from the Catherine Tate show?

Any ideas how much a consultation with him would be?!

One of the investors in my old company, used him for his wifes operations. Now this guy was seriously loaded, but he used to squirm when he talked about the fees. His wife had had numerous operations following a car crash and was resigned to crutches or a stick, but Steadman got her back to pretty much perfect health (Able to walk and play sports). So he considers it money wll spent.

One of the investors in my old company, used him for his wifes operations. Now this guy was seriously loaded, but he used to squirm when he talked about the fees. His wife had had numerous operations following a car crash and was resigned to crutches or a stick, but Steadman got her back to pretty much perfect health (Able to walk and play sports). So he considers it money wll spent.

my knee is ruined, cant do much more than walk on the thing. all i ever get through the NHS is referred to physio, who give me some crappy excercises(sp) which hurt like hell and don't help at all.

Maybe flying to the US and spending god knows how much is excessive but its seriously ****ing me off

my knee is ruined, cant do much more than walk on the thing. all i ever get through the NHS is referred to physio, who give me some crappy excercises(sp) which hurt like hell and don't help at all.

 

Maybe flying to the US and spending god knows how much is excessive but its seriously ****ing me off

What's wrong with your knee exactly ?.

I thought he was still in prison for killing all those old people.

What's wrong with your knee exactly ?.

Ruptured/sprained/strained the medial and lateral ligaments. that was mid December. Still unable to do any physical activity, went to the hospital who told me just to do as much as i can on it.....which is walk at the moment. Each morning i wake up its swollen and stiff as hell (still my knee talking about here).

Been to the dr's who have referred me to Physio. Great.

Ruptured/sprained/strained the medial and lateral ligaments. that was mid December. Still unable to do any physical activity, went to the hospital who told me just to do as much as i can on it.....which is walk at the moment. Each morning i wake up its swollen and stiff as hell (still my knee talking about here).

 

Been to the dr's who have referred me to Physio. Great.

Mmm they don't like repairing cruciate ligaments if there's no real driving reason (ie It stops you doing you job or similar). The rehab is designed to strengthen the knee to help take pressure off the ligaments while they repair themselves.

Are you icing it up and putting your foot up whenever possible?

I'm sure they've told you all that though.Still cruciate lig surgery is complicated and whilst not risky in a risky sense it lays you up for a while and there's always a chance of infection .My son had this problem and although they repaired it surgically it took a long time to mend.

there is a guy in Romsey, who is and absolute genious. He has helped me get through 2 very serious injury's including a broken back.

Mmm they don't like repairing cruciate ligaments if there's no real driving reason (ie It stops you doing you job or similar). The rehab is designed to strengthen the knee to help take pressure off the ligaments while they repair themselves.

 

Are you icing it up and putting your foot up whenever possible?

I'm sure they've told you all that though.Still cruciate lig surgery is complicated and whilst not risky in a risky sense it lays you up for a while and there's always a chance of infection .My son had this problem and although they repaired it surgically it took a long time to mend.

its not actually the cruciate, its the medial and lateral.

which is why i cant understand why it is taking so long to feel better. i have iced and raised and all that lark every evening i'm at home since!

Might give the guy in Romsey a shout though... any idea of a name Barto?

http://www.kneeclinic.info/problems_ligament_injuries.php

Did you wear a leg brace Stevo?

http://www.kneeclinic.info/problems_ligament_injuries.php

 

Did you wear a leg brace Stevo?

na was never given one, wasnt even given crutches at the hospital!

That is interesting, my knee feels like it is being held together with a single strand of dental floss even still.

na was never given one, wasnt even given crutches at the hospital!

 

That is interesting, my knee feels like it is being held together with a single strand of dental floss even still.

Got Health cover at work? if so, get down the GP and get a referral to BUPA (or whoever) and claim the money.

Although it must be frustrating, 60 odd days is not really much time at all for something in that area to mend. Try some stabilsation exercises to build the muscles around it. This helped with my ankles, but I have no idea if it could with your knee. Also, I had lead plates attached to my ankles and electrodes attached either side while I had to endure as high a voltage or ampage (whatever) as i could for 20 minutes at a time.

Stevo, have you considered making use of our very own experts down at SMS?

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=8789

After further delving I found that SCW couldn't praise our faciliies more:

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=6407

they even had an in-ouse aromatherapist FFS.

Seriously though Stevo, if as per your original post, you are considering spending a few bucks, then these people should know the best place to spend it. Just ask Killer.

Stevo, have you considered making use of our very own experts down at SMS?

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=8789

Pretty expensive, but might go for a consultation, they gotta know what they are talking bout with knee injuries right?!

Pretty expensive, but might go for a consultation, they gotta know what they are talking bout with knee injuries right?!

Lol.

Just don't visit the one that keeps patching Killer up :shock:

Lol.

 

Just don't visit the one that keeps patching Killer up :shock:

oh yeah good point

I see you're mid twenties - you're better off taking a year lying down than walking round like an old gimmer when you're in your thirties. I know so many (including myself) 30/40 year olds who are basically fat cripples coz they thought they'd get through sports injuries when they were younger. Anyway, sounds like you've got the right idea - are you doing CV exercise with the hand bikes? Swimming (arms only)? Do all that kind of stuff now, and you'll benefit later. Mind you, kids nowadays, they don't listen, blah blah blah....

I see you're mid twenties - you're better off taking a year lying down than walking round like an old gimmer when you're in your thirties. I know so many (including myself) 30/40 year olds who are basically fat cripples coz they thought they'd get through sports injuries when they were younger. Anyway, sounds like you've got the right idea - are you doing CV exercise with the hand bikes? Swimming (arms only)? Do all that kind of stuff now, and you'll benefit later. Mind you, kids nowadays, they don't listen, blah blah blah....

Is this correct???

....might go for a consultation.....

Consultation, I reckon you could get in the team for Saturday.

Whatever you do, NO marching, okay.

not to do with your leg, but is another medical issue. I have just got tonsillitis for the first time. i have been put on antibiotix, but now i also can't open my mouth properly. Is this pretty standard for tonsillitis?

not to do with your leg, but is another medical issue. I have just got tonsillitis for the first time. i have been put on antibiotix, but now i also can't open my mouth properly. Is this pretty standard for tonsillitis?

Sorry I don't mean to worry you but no it is not usual and my wife who is a medical person

( ex hospital ward sister ) says you should see your doctor a.s.a.p.

I see you're mid twenties - you're better off taking a year lying down than walking round like an old gimmer when you're in your thirties. I know so many (including myself) 30/40 year olds who are basically fat cripples coz they thought they'd get through sports injuries when they were younger. Anyway, sounds like you've got the right idea - are you doing CV exercise with the hand bikes? Swimming (arms only)? Do all that kind of stuff now, and you'll benefit later. Mind you, kids nowadays, they don't listen, blah blah blah....

i have been swimming every week since, and tried doing some resistance stuff but it hurts like hell. Cant cycle really at all as my knee barely bends.

true, i dont want to be 30 and unable to bend down or kneel and play with my kids etc and i wanna still be able to play football!

Sorry I don't mean to worry you but no it is not usual and my wife who is a medical person

( ex hospital ward sister ) says you should see your doctor a.s.a.p.

I'm gonna guess that since he has antibiotics, then he probably already has

Re: the saints physio thing, it's no longer running as Phil the guy who runs it has moved to Australia.

As for your knee the first thing you will need to do is get a good range of motion (100 degrees or as near to as possible) before working on strengthening the area. When strengthening try not to go straight into resistance stuff as this can put too much force through the joint, try using mainly static exercises to begin with. As mentioned earlier a leg brace or tube support can be good for keeping swelling down as well as the usual ice, elevation etc. Out of interest how did you manage to do both lateral and medial ligs?

Re: the saints physio thing, it's no longer running as Phil the guy who runs it has moved to Australia.

 

As for your knee the first thing you will need to do is get a good range of motion (100 degrees or as near to as possible) before working on strengthening the area. When strengthening try not to go straight into resistance stuff as this can put too much force through the joint, try using mainly static exercises to begin with. As mentioned earlier a leg brace or tube support can be good for keeping swelling down as well as the usual ice, elevation etc. Out of interest how did you manage to do both lateral and medial ligs?

No idea how i managed to do both, was playing footy, tried to turn, my body did but my studs dug in on my left side and it all went twang. Had a scan at the hospital and they diagnosed it as previously mentioned, but just told me to walk on it and sod all else really!

jesus unlucky mate, I live in Gosser, went to docs after 3 months of pain and playing hocley with painkillers, referred to Haslar hospital, Dr Longbottom lol offered me arthoscopy(sp) (keyhole surgery) straight away to see if there was any damage that could be repaired.

Go back to your docs - ask to be referred to a specialist at the hospital, say your taking pain killkers everyday and its affecting your work, life, sports, sleep, state of mind etc - the whole shebang !!!!

Sorry I don't mean to worry you but no it is not usual and my wife who is a medical person

( ex hospital ward sister ) says you should see your doctor a.s.a.p.

Maybe it's different in New Zealand.

jesus unlucky mate, I live in Gosser, went to docs after 3 months of pain and playing hocley with painkillers, referred to Haslar hospital, Dr Longbottom lol offered me arthoscopy(sp) (keyhole surgery) straight away to see if there was any damage that could be repaired.

 

Go back to your docs - ask to be referred to a specialist at the hospital, say your taking pain killkers everyday and its affecting your work, life, sports, sleep, state of mind etc - the whole shebang !!!!

i may just do that!

and i take it your all sorted now then?

What's the latest Steve? Having been through an horrenous knee injury myself (12 months out of football following partial ACL tear/reconstruction and grade 3 MCL sprain) I may be able to help.

What kind of scan were you given at the hospital? I suspect it may have just been an X-Ray to check for fractures. You need an MRI scan to diagnose soft tissue (ligament) damage. You may have been given various movement tests (Lachman, Pivot Shift etc) to check the state of the cruciates, but even these can miss a partial tear (they missed mine). The fact you mention the lower leg instability suggests to me something more sinister than the lateral/medial. Mine felt like it was hanging from a thread too.

First thing's first - see a good knee specialist. Someone that ONLY deals with knees. GP's/Casualty staff know next to nothing about them really. I can give you the name of a good surgeon, in London mind (but if you're considering flying to Colarado...)

You might like to check out http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/ - there's countless people on there who will be happy to help - found it an invaluable source of info while I was preparing for surgery/in rehab.

Good luck.

What's the latest Steve? Having been through an horrenous knee injury myself (12 months out of football following partial ACL tear/reconstruction and grade 3 MCL sprain) I may be able to help.

 

What kind of scan were you given at the hospital? I suspect it may have just been an X-Ray to check for fractures. You need an MRI scan to diagnose soft tissue (ligament) damage. You may have been given various movement tests (Lachman, Pivot Shift etc) to check the state of the cruciates, but even these can miss a partial tear (they missed mine). The fact you mention the lower leg instability suggests to me something more sinister than the lateral/medial. Mine felt like it was hanging from a thread too.

 

First thing's first - see a good knee specialist. Someone that ONLY deals with knees. GP's/Casualty staff know next to nothing about them really. I can give you the name of a good surgeon, in London mind (but if you're considering flying to Colarado...)

 

You might like to check out http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/ - there's countless people on there who will be happy to help - found it an invaluable source of info while I was preparing for surgery/in rehab.

 

Good luck.

Well you might be able to help him if you paid your fiver so he can PM you!

What's the latest Steve? Having been through an horrenous knee injury myself (12 months out of football following partial ACL tear/reconstruction and grade 3 MCL sprain) I may be able to help.

 

What kind of scan were you given at the hospital? I suspect it may have just been an X-Ray to check for fractures. You need an MRI scan to diagnose soft tissue (ligament) damage. You may have been given various movement tests (Lachman, Pivot Shift etc) to check the state of the cruciates, but even these can miss a partial tear (they missed mine). The fact you mention the lower leg instability suggests to me something more sinister than the lateral/medial. Mine felt like it was hanging from a thread too.

 

First thing's first - see a good knee specialist. Someone that ONLY deals with knees. GP's/Casualty staff know next to nothing about them really. I can give you the name of a good surgeon, in London mind (but if you're considering flying to Colarado...)

 

You might like to check out http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/ - there's countless people on there who will be happy to help - found it an invaluable source of info while I was preparing for surgery/in rehab.

 

Good luck.

Thanks for this mate.

Yeah i think it probably was just an X-ray. I was put through various pulling and shoving of my knee at the hospital and it all resulted in pure agony. The only way i can describe it, and this is 10 weeks later, is very unstable. Woke up this morning and it looks to have swollen up again, limping like hell today. The doctor at A+E said it wasn't serious enough for physio and i should be running in 3 weeks.....how wrong can he be!

Have a drs appt for Saturday 7th March and i will take it from there i suppose.

Well good luck with that. As I said, GPs aren't very helpful (for sports injury). I'd say a "succesfull" visit will be to get a referral. I hope you have private medical cover as this will save you a lot of time.

You can still get (the same quality) treatment through the good old NHS but you may be waiting weeks/months just to see a specialist.

Doctor looked at it and reckons due to the lack of mobility and stabilty and range of movement my knee doesn't have it could well be a cruciate injury. Referred to Orthapaedics

Just read this, hope it all goes well for ya mate. This sounds alot like the ordeal i had and has since pretty much made me lose all faith in the NHS and especially GP's.

I swear they don't want you in their damn chairs and want you out ASAP.

I was told on 3 different occasions (after knee collapsing) to rest for 2 weeks and i will be fine, the physio won't know really either, i was playing for Romsey at the time and the physio just agreed with the GP.

In the end i demanded to go to see a specialist and when i was there i demanded to have an MRI. It ended up i had ruptured my ACL and the consultant (Mr Fox i believe) told me how lucky i was that i had not damaged the cartialage due my GP getting the diagnosis so spectacularly wrong.

Anyways i had the surgery and all is fine and i am playing regularly again (the hard bit is getting over the mental 'i don't want to get tackled' issue) but it is worth demanding getting it done or else it will just drag on.

KEEP UP the physio though, afterwards i spent about 16 - 18 weeks doing physio and you will have stipulations saying don't bend your knee further then 20 degrees etc but you need to do this or it will ruin your new ligament.

Anyways, all the best good luck, shame you got shafted by our wonderful health service like i did.

If you need any more info PM me.

NB - Sorry about the story lol

Just read this, hope it all goes well for ya mate. This sounds alot like the ordeal i had and has since pretty much made me lose all faith in the NHS and especially GP's.

 

I swear they don't want you in their damn chairs and want you out ASAP.

 

I was told on 3 different occasions (after knee collapsing) to rest for 2 weeks and i will be fine, the physio won't know really either, i was playing for Romsey at the time and the physio just agreed with the GP.

 

In the end i demanded to go to see a specialist and when i was there i demanded to have an MRI. It ended up i had ruptured my ACL and the consultant (Mr Fox i believe) told me how lucky i was that i had not damaged the cartialage due my GP getting the diagnosis so spectacularly wrong.

 

Anyways i had the surgery and all is fine and i am playing regularly again (the hard bit is getting over the mental 'i don't want to get tackled' issue) but it is worth demanding getting it done or else it will just drag on.

 

KEEP UP the physio though, afterwards i spent about 16 - 18 weeks doing physio and you will have stipulations saying don't bend your knee further then 20 degrees etc but you need to do this or it will ruin your new ligament.

 

Anyways, all the best good luck, shame you got shafted by our wonderful health service like i did.

 

If you need any more info PM me.

 

NB - Sorry about the story lol

Not still at Romsey then? I know the managers and a few of the players there.

I am still waiting for my referral, hopefully MRI will follow. 3 months down and it still gives way and hurts like f*ck!

Thanks for the message, maybe there is some hope!

No not any more, i was about 2 weeks away from my 18th Bday when i did it and did not start playing again til probably around 21. Crazy, don't let that scare you though it was mainly to do with the fact that the GP's were arsing about for nearly half a year, then waiting list etc.

Romsey had a good set up, the Physio Craig was pretty good but they can only tell so much.

At netley now, trying to get back to full fitness, went through a bit of whats the point in trying to get back to proper football and didn't really train and drank too much but now that i want to get back playing fully again it's just made it harder lol.

Could still do a job for saints at RB lol

3 months down and it still gives way and hurts like f*ck!

Don't try even to run on it if i was you, it's hard but seriously don't do anything other then walking, you don't want to end up with knackered cartialage i.e Ledley King.

The worst bit for me was watching football on the sidelines thinking 'i could play better then him' etc But knowing i could ruin my knee if i even tried.

On the brightside its perfectly fine now so yeah, alot of hope

It's sounding more and more like the ACL I'm afraid Steve. Your additional posts above just echo what I said earlier - nobody other than an Orthapeadic Consultant (ie knee specialist) know enough about knees to give an accurate diagnosis.

Agree with SS - don't do any "cutting" motion on the knee until the results - you'll just damage the meniscus (cartilidge) which will cause more pain and make any surgery more complex. PM me or SS if you have any questions - we've both been through it. And yes, rehab is horrible - I had to do 1/2 hour strengthening exercises EVERY DAY for 6 months - not much fun.

BUPA is the way to go but not sure if you can sign up with an injury and claim for it.

It does sound like ACL, Steve. Mine is hanging by a thread but the orthopods are reluctant to reconstruct these days. I also ruptured the medial ligament at the same time. That was restitched but was very very stiff for ages (problematic for a dancer, as I'm sure you'll appreciate ).

Then my dog knocked me over (playing what she thought was a game) and I ended up in a hurdle type position with said knee bent under me. Hurt like buggary but it did loosen up the knee joint and I have no problems at all now.

However, the physio is gruelling and, if you do go down the private route, check how much physio you are covered for. You'll probably have the same consultants as are in your local NHS and I doubt the orthopaedic NHS lists are very long at all these days.

I also used to go to Bisham Abbey (Nat. Sports Centre) for physio and to the England Rugby team physio in Aylesbury (can't remember his name).

Good luck, buddy

PS My counsin's son had private knee work at the BUPA hospital in Southampton and suffered awful complications after - allegedly.

if you do go down the private route, check how much physio you are covered for.

Excellent advice, forgot to mention that. I'm not sure they are less inclined to operate "these days" - they generally need convincing it's worthwhile for you, which essentially means convincing them you are young, active enough and are prepared for the rehab battle.

Most complications with ACL repair are scar-tissue related.

Excellent advice, forgot to mention that. I'm not sure they are less inclined to operate "these days" - they generally need convincing it's worthwhile for you, which essentially means convincing them you are young, active enough and are prepared for the rehab battle.

 

Most complications with ACL repair are scar-tissue related.

They are if you're a MRSA cohort. They'll test you before admission (private hospitals, that is).

still waiting on my referral letter. want it sorted ASAP really. i have noticed also when i do something that hurts the knee (stumble up a step accidently etc) it also seems to really hurt my bloody hamstring, is this normal? A side effect of me not doing much on the knee and it all generally being weak?

Still feeling very weak and gives way randomly. Crap

still waiting on my referral letter. want it sorted ASAP really. i have noticed also when i do something that hurts the knee (stumble up a step accidently etc) it also seems to really hurt my bloody hamstring, is this normal? A side effect of me not doing much on the knee and it all generally being weak?

 

Still feeling very weak and gives way randomly. Crap

Stevo, you might find this article useful. It does refer to the fact that the hamstring goes across the knee.

http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp05001.htm

Referral through, Hythe (?) Hospital Orthapaedics April 7th.

1 month on from Dr's appt, not too bad i suppose!

Referral through, Hythe (?) Hospital Orthapaedics April 7th.

 

1 month on from Dr's appt, not too bad i suppose!

That's pretty good IMO. I remember years ago poor little old ladies used to have to wait YEARS for a consultation for their hip replacements, often in extreme pain.

Good luck

Wonder why Hythe though?

I live in Hedge End, so Hythe seems nowhere like a normal kinda choice. Maybe shorter waiting list

Lol, your hamstring hurts now.... if it is ACL they will prob use some of it lol, anyway good luck with the referral.

Hythe ?? Bit weird i went to winchester (when living with parents in bishopstoke) and saw a doctor that worked at Sarum road. Worked out pretty well due to waiting lists and the fact they had no free beds i got it done there.

It was lovely, all the nurses thought i must be a professional i think, i had loads of different ones come in and ask who i played for lol.