Sign the Hamilton petition...re: Spa

Didnt want to add this to the "Belgian GP" thread as thought it may have been lost amongst all the posts.

There is an online petition to get the FIA to reverse their decision to give Lewis a 25 second penalty.

Please sign and pass to as many people as you can.

Thanks

http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html

No, he cheated.

No, he cheated.

What he said.

Done

Done

What he said

It's an iffy call, and could be seen either way, as I demonstrated, with an example, on the GP thread. I thinks it's best left to the stewards, the FIA, McLaren and the appeal court to sort it and, for that reason, I'm out.

What he said.

seconded! :mad:

Done.

I would also like to start one stripping Michael Schumacher of the 1994 World Championship.

I a newspaper article in a Dutch newspaper they mention that the other F1 drivers think Hamilton should stop whining. They (Rosberg, Trulli, Bourdais, Fisichella and Massa) say he had a clear advantage and should have waited at least one corner.

Done.

 

I would also like to start one stripping Michael Schumacher of the 1994 World Championship.

Nice one. Wasn't there another F1 championship he went on to win, where his tactics against his immediate rival, during the final race were, shall we say, debatable..?

BTW, I'm not alluding to the semi-deliberate shunting of Jacques Villeneuve, which ended with Schumacher coming off worst.

Another reason I'm not going to sign, and another reason why Hammy is not universally loved...

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4133707,00.html

Raikkonen's early braking was also a contributory factor to which Hamilton pointedly remarked: "That's the way he drives. If you don't have the balls to brake late, that's your problem."

He needs to learn to respect people. He's talking about the driver who took the title last year after Hamilton himself proved that he could drive like a gimp.

Another reason to sign...

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4130171,00.html

McLaren stressed that they had twice received assurances from race control that Hamilton's manoeuvre was 'okay'. Speaking immediately after the race, team boss Ron Dennis specifically named Whiting as providing those assurances.

Following their great success at re-arranging the result of the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, the race stewards are now turning their attention to other sporting events that have finished. Outraged sports writers from the world's news media have slammed them for having no experience in judging football or athletics or swimming, but now the stewards have hit back. They have rightly pointed out that they have just as much knowledge of floor gymnastics and athletics as they have of F1

Notices of Re-Classification

Olympic 100 metres

The Olympic 100 metres final has been reviewed by the stewards and Usain Bolt has had 25 seconds added to his time. The stewards verdict was that Bolt... "didn't run across the line properly and started celebrating way too early".

Tour de France

Carlos Sastre has hung on to his position as winner of the Tour de France, but second-place man Cadel Evans from Australia has seen his second place wiped out.

"Evans is just a back wheel sucker," said Belgian steward Yves Bacquelain, "he never does any of the work on a climb." As Bacquelain is the same nationality as the great Eddie Merckx his decision cannot be overturned.

Swimming

Michael Phelps has seen his Beijing medal haul cut from eight to seven after the stewards decided to hand the win of the 100m butterfly to Milo Cavic. Apparently second-placed man Cavic was almost there first and morally was the winner.

Gymnastics - Beam

Less controversial is the stewards' ruling that American gymnasts Natia Liukin and Shawn Johnson should swap positions in the Beam event at Beijing. Liukin drew huge praise for her artistic performance on the apparatus but lost out to a more complex, but artistically clunky routine from American rival Johnson. "We have decided that Nastia should get the gold because she is a much fitter than Shawn Johnson," said Nicolas Deschaux

Champions League Final

Chelsea are the new champions of Europe after winning the recalculated penalty shoot-out in Moscow. The stewards decided that Manchester United's narrow victory by 6-5 wasn't correct. They have allowed John Terry's missed penalty to count. "We feel that he would have scored if he hadn't lost his footing on a poorly prepared pitch, which was out of his control and so award him the penalty." Chelsea now win 5-4.

F1

And finally, Jenson Button and Nick Heidfeld will both have 10-place grid deductions for the Italian Grand Prix after the Kenyan steward discovered they both had beards as scruffy as Sebastien Loeb's.

He didn't cheat, did no-one see him brake?

This thing people have come out with about him "not slowing down enough" and "he still had an advantage" - how? He slowed down, he was the same distance behind Raikkonnen as he would be if nothing had happened, AND he had to accelerate back up to his original speed.

Ridiculous decision and it'll be ridiculous if it's not overturned.

C'mon, ofcourse he had advantage. He never let Raikkonen take anydistance from him. Instead he went straight into Raikkonens slipstream to overtake him again. A position he could not have been in had he not cut the corner.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70526

As I said.

Cant be ar5ed to argue with you ponty.

This link was to point out to fellow users that there was an online petition, if they wanted to sign it then thats great, if not, then no worries.

Who's arguing? I wasn't trying to tbh. I was merely justifying my reasons for not signing. I haven't claimed you were wrong to do so, or invite others to do so.

C'mon, ofcourse he had advantage. He never let Raikkonen take anydistance from him. Instead he went straight into Raikkonens slipstream to overtake him again. A position he could not have been in had he not cut the corner.

Not really true is it though. He was actually out braking Raikonnen, and had got slightly ahead. that doesn't make the corner Hamilton's, but if he hadn't have been muscled to the outside, with nowhere to go other than cut the corner, he might well have gone into the sharp left in the lead, and legitimately so. When he handed back the lead to Raikonnen, Hamilton had actually retreated a car's length. Some advantage..!

The truth is, he was the better driver, driving his car faster in the conditions than his rival. As soon as the rain fell, Hamilton's superb car control allowed him to gain yards over the Ferrari. The fact that Raikonnen overtook him under yellow flags very soon afterwards [completely missed, it appears], and then binned the thing within a few hundred yards just illustrates that Raikonnen was rattled and that Hamilton was going to get him eventually. Personally, I would have loved it if Kimi had kept his car on the road to the finish. Then the FIA race stewards would have shown their colours even more forcibly, no doubt.

Frankly, it still boggles me why the successive corner must be missed out, after a place has been handed back, to have a driver remain within the rules. Let the drivers race FPS. It's not as if they were banging wheels..!