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Thedelldays
10-09-2009, 02:41 PM
http://www.champmanstore.com/shop/index

odd, but worth a go

Saint_clark
10-09-2009, 02:48 PM
Rudi Skacel? Would be an awesome signing.

saint stu 20
10-09-2009, 02:54 PM
that cant be right?! surely a scam for your card details.....let me know if this works please!

Thedelldays
10-09-2009, 03:01 PM
that cant be right?! surely a scam for your card details.....let me know if this works please!
it cost me 1p with a 2.50 booking fee..

i payed 2.51 via pay pal...worth a try for that price

Matthew Le God
10-09-2009, 03:09 PM
that cant be right?! surely a scam for your card details.....let me know if this works please!

It isn't a scam, it is for real.

For every 10,000 copies of CM sold, SEGA only have to sell less than 4 copies of FM10 to make the same amount of money :D

Thedelldays
10-09-2009, 03:10 PM
It isn't a scam it is for real.
just had a receipt from Eidos...

Matthew Le God
10-09-2009, 03:13 PM
just had a receipt from Eidos...

Yeah I know. They are doing it to increase numbers of copies sold.

saint stu 20
10-09-2009, 03:15 PM
so do you get the disk version of the game for this price or just an online version which can only be accessed on one computer? (i have laptop and comp so would want it on both potentially?)

Thedelldays
10-09-2009, 03:20 PM
so do you get the disk version of the game for this price or just an online version which can only be accessed on one computer? (i have laptop and comp so would want it on both potentially?)
you have to register and when the time for thea deal is up Eidos will send you a link to download the game online....for 2.51...will do for me

Smirking_Saint
10-09-2009, 03:20 PM
It isn't a scam, it is for real.

For every 10,000 copies of CM sold, SEGA only have to sell less than 4 copies of FM10 to make the same amount of money :D

That sounds suspiciously bullsh*t

BTW they are asking for CM researchers if your interested

Matthew Le God
10-09-2009, 03:20 PM
so do you get the disk version of the game for this price or just an online version which can only be accessed on one computer? (i have laptop and comp so would want it on both potentially?)

Do get a hard copy you will have to go to a shop or order from play.com etc for 30. For 2.51 all you get is a download.

Thedelldays
10-09-2009, 03:20 PM
Yeah I know. They are doing it to increase numbers of copies sold.
unless the game is better than good..I will still be getting FM10

Matthew Le God
10-09-2009, 03:21 PM
That sounds suspiciously bullsh*t


Why?

The 2.50 is a card admin charge so Eidos don't get that.

Most people will pay 1p so my maths is roughly correct.

Matthew Le God
10-09-2009, 03:22 PM
unless the game is better than good..I will still be getting FM10

Play the demo of CM10 then. Its available now.

Matthew Le God
10-09-2009, 03:26 PM
It's only worth the 2.51 if you think the CM10 demo is better than a fully patched FM09.

If you do think the CM10 demo it is better than a fully patched FM09 then it is worth 2.51 and a bargain at that price.

If you don't think CM10 demo is better than a fully patched FM09 then it is not worth anything as you may aswell continue playing FM09 until the FM10 demo comes out in roughly 5 weeks and save the 2.51 for something else.

saint stu 20
10-09-2009, 03:30 PM
so its only a demo then? great......ill wait for fm10 i think, stay loyal to the brand!

Thedelldays
10-09-2009, 03:31 PM
so its only a demo then? great......ill wait for fm10 i think, stay loyal to the brand!
no...the 2.51 is for the game...

Matthew Le God
10-09-2009, 03:34 PM
so its only a demo then? great......ill wait for fm10 i think, stay loyal to the brand!

No, its 2.51 for the game. The CM10 demo has been available for a few weeks and you can play it right now for free if you want.

Smirking_Saint
10-09-2009, 06:50 PM
unless the game is better than good..I will still be getting FM10

TBF i thought that the demo was pretty good. Not terrible, definately room for improvements.

For 2.51 i will give it a go, if it is worth it i'll keep it, if it's crap, hey ho, only 2.51 down

Smirking_Saint
11-09-2009, 12:18 PM
Out today, you can start the D/L if you go to champmanstore

Mase
11-09-2009, 01:10 PM
Since the demo this is what has been updated/chnged.

http://www.championshipmanager.co.uk/server/show/nav.603

I'm playing the full game at the moment and the difference is noticeable compared to the demo.

Am very pleased :)

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 01:18 PM
Can someone that has the full game and data patch please do some screenshots of these screens for Southampton?

First team

Reserves

Youth team

Backroom staff

Club info

Finance pages

saint_stevo
11-09-2009, 04:36 PM
Just downloading the update

How do i edit data?

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 04:38 PM
Just downloading the update

How do i edit data?

You can't as they haven't made an editor.

Could you post some screenshots of the screens I asked for in the post above?

saint_stevo
11-09-2009, 04:40 PM
You can't they haven't made an editor.

Could you post some screenshots of the screens I asked for in the post above?

I will

Still installing though, well, updating

saint_stevo
11-09-2009, 05:00 PM
LOL

Wont fit on my screen, bottom chopped off so cant see any of the buttons at the bottom

Seems minimum it supports n 1024x768, my netbook max is 1024x600

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 05:03 PM
Can you not use windowed mode?

St Marco
11-09-2009, 05:05 PM
didn't think they were doing patches? Guess whoever started that rumour was talking some ********.

Interesting rumour today around the business world regarding Sega. They posted their results which show a loss of $230m and game sales down 60.5%. Rumour has it they will be shutting down one of their western studios "IF" their 2 big hitters for the holidays fail (Sonic and Mario at the Olympics and Bayonetta). Does not take a genius to work out that they have 3 western studios. Creative Assembly who create the gigantic seller Total War series. Seeing as they are working on Total War Napolean and Stormrise you can bet your ass it won't be them. The other is Secret Level which is now just Sega Studios and well has already had most of the staff fired. However they are supposedly working alongside Gearbox on Colonia Marines and have signed a new deal with Fox to create an as yet un-announced additional Aliens game. This will probably be the new game based on the upcoming new Alien prequel by Ridley Scott. So again likely won't be them.
Which leaves Sports Interactive. A company which spends a shead load of money on using the licenses. Was bought for 30m in 2006. And figures show that for the 06/07 and 08 games total sales were 1.5m. Obviously 09 results will come in Q4 figures. Add to that they have invested a huge fortune on getting FM Live up and running and in almost a year seems to have vanished from the media glaze. The market as always going to be limited.
And this could be the nail in the coffin. The Football Management Genre is very niche market. Aimed at Europeans were football is popular but sales are dominantly from United Kingdom. This could prove to be a bad sign for the company because it does not have mass market appeal instead only being desired by hardcore football fans who are gamers. To put this into some kind of context Fifa 09 was/is considerd the biggest selling football game of all time, one that was heavily marketed across the globe. Had high profile events to launch it and paid a lot of in prize money at various tournaments. EA supposedly spent 200m retaining the rights for the next 4 years. After all that it sold 2m copies. Now on paper that looks low, especially when you compare it to say Halo 3 which sold 10m copies. But in terms of a sport game that is massive sales and 10 will obviously go on to match that. Which puts the sales of the FM series into the spotlight.

So if the rumour is true that following the loss of 60.5% from the games division Sega are shutting shop on 1 of their western studios it would obviously be SI. They lose money on the franchise and when you lose $230m in just 3 months you know your in the ****.

Naturally all companies have had to cut costs and lots of games companies have gone under or been moved into other companies over the past year. So if it is true then i would not be surprised one bit to see FM10 being the last FM as we know it.
Again that is IF it is true. What we know for fact is Sega are losing a lot of money and have pinned their years hopes on a casual game and a potential hardcore game.

So maybe the whole CM being cheap thing is more down to sales. If CM beat FM in sales this year then that would look bad. Even though the game could be far worse if it has more sales it will be considerd number one. So with FM being number two that could push Sega into acting to protect their investment. That would be ironic retribution by Eidos.

saint_stevo
11-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Cant even start a game

I have picked the English league, but guess submit or similar is at the bottom, which i cant see......

How difficult is it to put some scrollbars down the right side....

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 05:11 PM
didn't think they were doing patches? Guess whoever started that rumour was talking some ********.

Interesting rumour today around the business world regarding Sega. They posted their results which show a loss of $230m and game sales down 60.5%. Rumour has it they will be shutting down one of their western studios "IF" their 2 big hitters for the holidays fail (Sonic and Mario at the Olympics and Bayonetta). Does not take a genius to work out that they have 3 western studios. Creative Assembly who create the gigantic seller Total War series. Seeing as they are working on Total War Napolean and Stormrise you can bet your ass it won't be them. The other is Secret Level which is now just Sega Studios and well has already had most of the staff fired. However they are supposedly working alongside Gearbox on Colonia Marines and have signed a new deal with Fox to create an as yet un-announced additional Aliens game. This will probably be the new game based on the upcoming new Alien prequel by Ridley Scott. So again likely won't be them.
Which leaves Sports Interactive. A company which spends a shead load of money on using the licenses. Was bought for 30m in 2006. And figures show that for the 06/07 and 08 games total sales were 1.5m. Obviously 09 results will come in Q4 figures. Add to that they have invested a huge fortune on getting FM Live up and running and in almost a year seems to have vanished from the media glaze. The market as always going to be limited.
And this could be the nail in the coffin. The Football Management Genre is very niche market. Aimed at Europeans were football is popular but sales are dominantly from United Kingdom. This could prove to be a bad sign for the company because it does not have mass market appeal instead only being desired by hardcore football fans who are gamers. To put this into some kind of context Fifa 09 was/is considerd the biggest selling football game of all time, one that was heavily marketed across the globe. Had high profile events to launch it and paid a lot of in prize money at various tournaments. EA supposedly spent 200m retaining the rights for the next 4 years. After all that it sold 2m copies. Now on paper that looks low, especially when you compare it to say Halo 3 which sold 10m copies. But in terms of a sport game that is massive sales and 10 will obviously go on to match that. Which puts the sales of the FM series into the spotlight.

So if the rumour is true that following the loss of 60.5% from the games division Sega are shutting shop on 1 of their western studios it would obviously be SI. They lose money on the franchise and when you lose $230m in just 3 months you know your in the ****.

Naturally all companies have had to cut costs and lots of games companies have gone under or been moved into other companies over the past year. So if it is true then i would not be surprised one bit to see FM10 being the last FM as we know it.
Again that is IF it is true. What we know for fact is Sega are losing a lot of money and have pinned their years hopes on a casual game and a potential hardcore game.

So maybe the whole CM being cheap thing is more down to sales. If CM beat FM in sales this year then that would look bad. Even though the game could be far worse if it has more sales it will be considerd number one. So with FM being number two that could push Sega into acting to protect their investment. That would be ironic retribution by Eidos.

Never read such rubbish before :D Can't even be bothered about rebutting it in detail.

FM09 sold approx 1 million units at 30. Why on earth would SEGA shut that down? Even if they did another publisher would jump at the chance to snap up SI.

CM sell a fraction of that and this year is selling for 1p

10,000 copies of CM10 at 1p (2.50 is admin fee) equals less than 4 copies of FM10 at 30

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 05:17 PM
CM will have to sell 2.5 billion copies at 1p to equal the money of 1 million units of FM ;)

Thedelldays
11-09-2009, 05:24 PM
well...wont be bothering with this..

just loaded a game and thought I would see if it was up to date.

Adebeyor is still at arsenal so straight away...wont bother...worth a try for 2.51 though

Smirking_Saint
11-09-2009, 05:25 PM
well...wont be bothering with this..

just loaded a game and thought I would see if it was up to date.

Adebeyor is still at arsenal so straight away...wont bother...worth a try for 2.51 though

You need to D/L the update patch

Thedelldays
11-09-2009, 05:28 PM
You need to D/L the update patch
not just that...just looks sh1t.....will wait for FM10

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 05:29 PM
well...wont be bothering with this..

just loaded a game and thought I would see if it was up to date.

Adebeyor is still at arsenal so straight away...wont bother...worth a try for 2.51 though

You need to download the data update.

saint_stevo
11-09-2009, 05:29 PM
support forums down as well.

Cant play it as it stands

Smirking_Saint
11-09-2009, 05:37 PM
support forums down as well.

Cant play it as it stands

Whats wrong ??

St Marco
11-09-2009, 05:38 PM
Never read such rubbish before :D Can't even be bothered about rebutting it in detail.

FM09 sold approx 1 million units at 30. Why on earth would SEGA shut that down? Even if they did another publisher would jump at the chance to snap up SI.

CM sell a fraction of that and this year is selling for 1p

10,000 copies of CM10 at 1p (2.50 is admin fee) equals less than 4 copies of FM10 at 30

Please do a rebuttle Matt as im interested to know how you believe that with facts please.

Here are the Sega numbers http://gamerinvestments.com/video-game-stocks/index.php/2009/07/31/sega-sammy-holdings-financial-results-quarter-ended-063009/ proving what i just said.

And if you look at http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sega-acquires-sports-interactive your see that it says 1.5m copies.

FM 09 has yet to have it's numbers released which will come as i said in Q4 such is how business works.
However just to make it a bit clear for you
Championship Manager 4 is the biggest selling Football management game of all time. It at that time actually was the fastest selling PC game of all time having a massive 124k copies sold in just 7 days. 6 years on and obviously that record was broken by Half Life 2 and World of Warcraft.
So for FM09 to have sold a million such as you claim would mean it would of beaten that record which it hasen't or would of sold on average 20k a week for 52 weeks.
If it had done that it would of been inside the top 10 games for the whole year across all formats. To put that into further context it would of sold more copies then Mario Kart on the wii in the same time. Obviously thus proving it is ********.
But on further inspection at the media prep for 2010 i notice it says 1m meaning across all formats. So thats windows,mac and the portables. It will be interesting to see how those numbers turn out in the official release to shareholders. I'm assuming they have naturally added a few hundred k due to digital purchases.

So let's be having your re-buttle Matt with facts please as to why it is rubbish. If they shut down UK Racing Studio which made Sega Rally which was a huge hit then why would they not shut SI. Even if 09 did indeed sell 1m copies (which was 17.99 at Game/Play/Amazon the main game places not 29.99) that is still small fish.

Also this is the tracking for game sales
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_pg_4?ie=UTF8&pg=4
Notice FM09 does not even make it onto the top 100. But yet CM is there....

Thedelldays
11-09-2009, 05:41 PM
good points St Marco

but at 2.51 for CM10 after just playing it, I will happily pay 30 for FM10..

CM10 looks awful IMO and no a scratch on FM...
I remember you saying CM10 will be strong competition for FM...this will only be the case due to the sales at such a low price..

saint_stevo
11-09-2009, 05:49 PM
Whats wrong ??

it runs at 1024x768

My netbook runs at 1024x600

thus the bottom is chopped off

Smirking_Saint
11-09-2009, 05:55 PM
it runs at 1024x768

My netbook runs at 1024x600

thus the bottom is chopped off

lmao

St Marco
11-09-2009, 05:56 PM
good points St Marco

but at 2.51 for CM10 after just playing it, I will happily pay 30 for FM10..

CM10 looks awful IMO and no a scratch on FM...
I remember you saying CM10 will be strong competition for FM...this will only be the case due to the sales at such a low price..

I did indeed say CM10 would be good competition this year for FM10, but i also said it was a load of **** :)

And as you say the only reason it will be compeating is because of how cheap it is. If they were both say 20 to begin with it would be a landslide win for FM10.
But companies don't care about reviews or even gamers opinions. They care about and sales figures. IF CM10 sell's more copies then FM10 does then Eidos will print that everywhere it can. Even though it is a crap game and FM the far superior game it won't matter because the stats will show that CM10 sold more copies. Thus pushing FM into 2nd place. If you are a company that is taking huge hits then naturally you only have so long until you either get to a zero bank balance or until you get into masive debt. This is when companies try to get rid of toxic assets. Ones which simply don't make that much money or have the potential to make much money.
Sega have started to go in a different way with their publishing now by doing deals with third parties such as Lucas Arts or Obsidian etc. Which again lowers costs.

If you look across all electronics companies especially games companies you see that in the last 12 months they hace cut back a lot. Both Microsoft and Sony have closed studios and sacked a lot of people. Sega has only really done that once over the past year with the closing of UK Racing. Which was then picked up by Codemasters. So as i said is just a rumour but as i said before if you run at a loss you can only do that for so long before you get in the ****. Sega themselves know this all to well from their console days. Who would of thought back when the Megadrive was out that Sonic and Mario would star in the same game?!

team-saint
11-09-2009, 07:17 PM
Forgot to pre-order it

**** I'm stupid

stevegrant
11-09-2009, 08:07 PM
I'd wager some serious money that the "demo" of CM2010 has less bugs than the launch release of FM2010.

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 09:09 PM
.................

Matthew Le God
11-09-2009, 09:10 PM
I'd wager some serious money that the "demo" of CM2010 has less bugs than the launch release of FM2010.

How will you quantify this bet in terms of numbers of bugs?

Have you actually played the CM10 demo? It is riddled! Even more so if you include data factual errors.

FM10 will be alot more polished than normal this year as the testing process has changed dramatically i.e. it has been in beta testing with alot more people for much longer than in previous years.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised Steve ;)

Smirking_Saint
12-09-2009, 09:31 PM
Getting to grips with this, saints are not too bad, plenty of freebies out there and good loans.

Not a bad game, not a blockbuster, worth 3 quid mind

saint_stevo
12-09-2009, 10:56 PM
ill give it a go tomorrow on the other lappy

Matthew Le God
13-09-2009, 04:58 PM
Can someone that has the full game and data patch please do some screenshots of these screens for Southampton?

First team

Reserves

Youth team

Backroom staff

Club info

Finance pages

Can someone do this please?

Danny
13-09-2009, 06:36 PM
How will you quantify this bet in terms of numbers of bugs?

Have you actually played the CM10 demo? It is riddled! Even more so if you include data factual errors.

FM10 will be alot more polished than normal this year as the testing process has changed dramatically i.e. it has been in beta testing with alot more people for much longer than in previous years.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised Steve ;)

PLaying CM10 at the moment. Seems okay to me. Besides, I don't think FM is always factually accurate anyway (ignoring the opinions side of the debate) - who was it who had Saints down as rivals with Reading and Derby, after all? ;)

Matthew Le God
13-09-2009, 07:11 PM
PLaying CM10 at the moment. Seems okay to me. Besides, I don't think FM is always factually accurate anyway (ignoring the opinions side of the debate) - who was it

Does CM have all current Saints players? On the demo they had no real Saints youth players. The coaching staff all wrong and many other factual errors for Saints without even talking about opinion based data such as player attributes.


who had Saints down as rivals with Reading and Derby, after all? ;)

Both Reading and Derby were down as very minor non permanent rivals on FM. Nothing wrong with that imo.

Smirking_Saint
13-09-2009, 08:52 PM
Just won the league with saints, even with minus 10 points, no cheating, was bloody hard, made harder that i forgot to save it after a string of good results so had to do it all again, went down to the wire.

Now to next season, CCC, cortese will be pleased.

Oh, and MLG, i think the finances are a bit dodgy, still has us down as having a loan, but all staff and players are correct mate

Matthew Le God
13-09-2009, 09:02 PM
Can you post the screenshots I mentioned on the previous page please?

Smirking_Saint
13-09-2009, 09:08 PM
Yeah, i will do, i am not doing it now, going to bed in a minute

Danny
14-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Does CM have all current Saints players? On the demo they had no real Saints youth players. The coaching staff all wrong and many other factual errors for Saints without even talking about opinion based data such as player attributes.



Both Reading and Derby were down as very minor non permanent rivals on FM. Nothing wrong with that imo.

How can there be factual errors on player attributes when it is all opinion? AFAIK the youth players are there. I've only played it for about three hours so far, but I saw names I'm sure I recognised.

And yes, there was a lot wrong with Reading/Derby thing. If I remember correctly, it only got changed after the massive outpouring of disbelief on here - after all there is no 'temporary' setting for rivals in the game, is there? And IMO to crow about CM being inaccurate is a bit rich with episodes such as that in the memory.

I might buy FM, but I didn't bother with 09 as I had become fed up with the whole thing after nothing really in the way of noticeable advances since 2007.

I have to say, for 2.50, I'm more than happy with CM atm. My opinion might change the more I play it, but so far I've had no problems.

Matthew Le God
14-09-2009, 10:33 PM
after all there is no 'temporary' setting for rivals in the game, is there?

Yes, there is.

Matthew Le God
14-09-2009, 10:54 PM
AFAIK the youth players are there. I've only played it for about three hours so far, but I saw names I'm sure I recognised.



None of the new youth players for this year are in there alot of the old ones have left aswell.

Some of them on this screenshot are made up players.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6876/87004600.jpg

Matthew Le God
14-09-2009, 10:55 PM
How can there be factual errors on player attributes when it is all opinion?


You clearly didn't read what I said. I never said player attributes were factual.

Matthew Le God
14-09-2009, 10:56 PM
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5825/43019643.jpg

Staff all wrong even for July 1st

Matthew Le God
14-09-2009, 10:57 PM
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8770/83325394.jpg

Missing out huge chunks of Southampton history.

Plus none of the players have personal history.

I think it also has Southampton as having debt aswell.

Matthew Le God
14-09-2009, 10:58 PM
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3506/63158234.jpg

Reserves from July 1st data include players that left before July 1st like Imudia, Byrne and Hatch

Mase
15-09-2009, 12:29 PM
Dude. Stop putting it down! When FM is released myself and I’m sure others are going to be HIGHLY critical of the mistakes it will certainly make like every other year…

MOST of those things you have just been posting were CORRECTED on RELEASE. The game was released with a patch which you download. Which is free, and takes less than 2 minutes. The majority of the things you have mentioned from your posts are things which are correct... If you haven’t downloaded the patch. Try it.

Matthew Le God
15-09-2009, 12:37 PM
If you haven’t downloaded the patch. Try it.

I can't as they haven't bothered making a Mac version.



MOST of those things you have just been posting were CORRECTED on RELEASE. The game was released with a patch which you download. Which is free, and takes less than 2 minutes. The majority of the things you have mentioned from your posts are things which are correct...

The screenshots I posted show that the game was very incorrect for Southampton July 1st data so I have little confidence for any data patch.

I asked earlier in the thread for people to post screenshots of the patched version but nobody did.

Why don't you Mase, if you are so sure the data is corrected now?

First team

Reserves

Youth team

Backroom staff

Club info

Finance pages

Smirking_Saint
15-09-2009, 02:44 PM
FFS, do you have some sort of Holy war against CM series or something ??

Jesus

Matthew Le God
15-09-2009, 03:00 PM
FFS, do you have some sort of Holy war against CM series or something ??

Jesus

I provide evidence to back up claims that have been disputed and all you do is swear :)

I don't see you disputing any of the screenshots I showed.

stevegrant
15-09-2009, 03:40 PM
FFS, do you have some sort of Holy war against CM series or something ??

Jesus
He can't bear the thought that another product might actually be half-decent. It's about time FM had competition, they've been resting on their laurels for far too long, relying on the goodwill of their dedicated fanbase to do their testing for them, releasing a product that simply doesn't work on launch day.

I love the irony of having a go at Eidos for CM requiring a patch to get data up-to-date - at least the game's playable on launch, unlike certain titles.

I couldn't even do a command-click (Mac equivalent of a right-click, if you weren't aware) in FM09 without it crashing!

saint_stevo
15-09-2009, 04:51 PM
played a bit on CM, but on my netbook so a bit slow (found a way to enhance the res, geek) not bad at all, quite like the format.

FM has bored me for a few years, pretty sure sales are high merely because of its name, a bit like Pro Evo in recent years. The fact it is glitchy as f*ck p1sses me off as well. Anyone would have thought Microsoft were behind it