Celtic fans......

......are the scummiest in all of football. I despise them more than I do Pompey.

......are the scummiest in all of football. I despise them more than I do Pompey.

That statement covers both sides of the footballing side of Glasgow.

An extremely unfortunate incident, the club are going to give life bans to the fans who were "involved". Does holding up the banner count as involved!

agreed,

Dispicable w**kers.

I absolutely despise Celtic FC and its scum fans. I hate the f***ing scum more than Pompey.

And their spelling is terrible as well.

Banning someone for expressing a legitimate opinion?

Really?

Those actions are far more dangerous and short-sighted than any macho posturing.

And their spelling is terrible as well.

LOL. oh yeah. Shame on me for not noticing that as well.

In fairness to the Celtic fans though JJSaint and GWC aren't you over generalising just a little here? Or is there an anti Irish slant to the postings?

Banning someone for expressing a legitimate opinion?

Really?

Those actions are far more dangerous and short-sighted than any macho posturing.

Legitimate yes, but also highly inflamatory in Glasgow.

Legitimate yes, but also highly inflamatory in Glasgow.

Indeed. I suppose if the club genuinely thought it could cause some sort of serious disorder than a banning might be a legitimate response but I think we are losing the ability to be offended in this country.

There is nothing wrong with being outraged occasionally. Not every affront demands a reactionary response.

Banning someone for expressing a legitimate opinion?

Really?

 

Those actions are far more dangerous and short-sighted than any macho posturing.

Arguably promoting racial hatred.

Arguably promoting racial hatred.

Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political.

I've always hated Celtic.

In fairness to the Celtic fans though JJSaint and GWC aren't you over generalising just a little here? Or is there an anti Irish slant to the postings?

Not at all. I don't think Irish people in general have anything against the poppy or remembrance Sunday? These aren't Irish people anyway, these are Scottish people.

It is the anti British attitude of Celtic fans that disgusts me, and the fact that they continuously get away with being pro terrorism.

Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political.

So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do.

Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political.

I couldn't disagree with you more to be honest.

The poppy is in memory of the soldiers who laid down their lives, nothing to do with the reasons for war or the politicians who make those decisions.

I wear my poppy to remember those who have given their lives for our freedom, and to remember those who continue to give their lives for our country. It's not a political statement. It's an act of remembrance.

Lest We Forget.

Exactly .... it's all about the soldiers that have served in Wars, not about the politicians who happen to be in power at any given time.

I wear my poppy to remember those who have given their lives for our freedom, and to remember those who continue to give their lives for our country. It's not a political statement. It's an act of remembrance.

 

Lest We Forget.

What he said ! I think that the Iraq War was wrong and I marched in protest against it at the time. That doesn't stop me wearing a poppy each year. As R&W91 says, it's about Remembrance.

So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do.

One of the few times i'll agree with you. My only problem with the Iraq war was the cost and whether it'd be an economically profitable venture for the UK. I think our participation was wrong in this respect as we don't seem to have benefited much compared to American companies, but the end result is better for the people of Iraq.

Let's not kid ourselves that the agenda of these Celtic "fans" has anything to do with Iraq or Afghanistan.

Not at all. I don't think Irish people in general have anything against the poppy or remembrance Sunday? These aren't Irish people anyway, these are Scottish people.

 

It is the anti British attitude of Celtic fans that disgusts me, and the fact that they continuously get away with being pro terrorism.

Fair enough, I do know some England fans that have Celtic because of their Irish connections and the links to causes some of the fans agree with. As it happens, they ought to remember that Irish citizens died in the world wars and no doubt still do to this day fighting in the British army.

So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do.

On that simple logic then no doubt we will be invading China, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma, Sudan, Nigeria, Iran etc.... soon and you will support all those offensives?

I wear my poppy to remember those who have given their lives for our freedom, and to remember those who continue to give their lives for our country. It's not a political statement. It's an act of remembrance.

 

Lest We Forget.

It's inherently political. It is an act of meek surrender to the power-mongers who start these things in the first place.

Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political.

I read an awful lot of nonsense on this forum and rarely bother to respond but this statement is as ridiculous as it is offensive. I can't believe you really meant it.

I read an awful lot of nonsense on this forum and rarely bother to respond but this statement is as ridiculous as it is offensive. I can't believe you really meant it.

Why? The British Legion are not a force for peace. They care for people who need help which, in itself, is a nice thing. The fact that those people are former soldiers doesn't make any difference - it is still a nice charitable thing and I wouldn't suggest they don't do good work. But, the displaying of a token is inherently jingoistic and has evident regimental connotations. There is no need for such ostentation and it does nothing to foster peace, which is surely the answer. Like it or not, parades, tokenism, totemism, ceremony are perpetuating acts and cannot be engaged in passively.

That's not to say the Celtic fans were anything other than offensive and that their actions were "good" but the argument should not be brushed under the carpet just because it interferes with peoples' desires to show everyone how nice and charitable they are and be a part of something.

Why? The British Legion are not a force for peace. They care for people who need help which, in itself, is a nice thing. The fact that those people are former soldiers doesn't make any difference - it is still a nice charitable thing and I wouldn't suggest they don't do good work. But, the displaying of a token is inherently jingoistic and has evident regimental connotations. There is no need for such ostentation and it does nothing to foster peace, which is surely the answer. Like it or not, parades, tokenism, totemism, ceremony are perpetuating acts and cannot be engaged in passively.

 

That's not to say the Celtic fans were anything other than offensive and that their actions were "good" but the argument should not be brushed under the carpet just because it interferes with peoples' desires to show everyone how nice and charitable they are and be a part of something.

You must be far more intelligent than me because to be quite honest I haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

Every club has it's share of small minded bigoted idiots like these. I have to say i know quite a few Celtic fans, friends and relatives and they all hate the religious bigots that still sadly exist amongst a minority of the old firm teams support.

The MoD is the biggest employer in Scotland... Wish we would pull out completely then watch them squirm

The MoD is the biggest employer in Scotland... Wish we would pull out completely then watch them squirm

Why because of the actions of a few idiots at a football game? or maybe your hatred of scottish people?

Why because of the actions of a few idiots at a football game? or maybe your hatred of scottish people?

I have stayed all over Scotland... Spent months in Glasgow

There is a real resentment of the english and the many places, the armed forces

Why? The British Legion are not a force for peace. They care for people who need help which, in itself, is a nice thing. The fact that those people are former soldiers doesn't make any difference - it is still a nice charitable thing and I wouldn't suggest they don't do good work. But, the displaying of a token is inherently jingoistic and has evident regimental connotations. There is no need for such ostentation and it does nothing to foster peace, which is surely the answer. Like it or not, parades, tokenism, totemism, ceremony are perpetuating acts and cannot be engaged in passively.

 

That's not to say the Celtic fans were anything other than offensive and that their actions were "good" but the argument should not be brushed under the carpet just because it interferes with peoples' desires to show everyone how nice and charitable they are and be a part of something.

You must be far more intelligent than me because to be quite honest I haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

To be fair I don't think he has either.

Benjii's argument makes about as much sense as saying we shouldn't ignore people who try and stop others from wearing those red ribbons on World Aids Day because by doing so they are encouraging homosexuality.

Poppies are a way of showing support for soldiers who are in a position to need our help because they have become injured/disabled/whatever whilst serving our country. Doesn't matter if it happened in a world war, The Falklands, Iraq or a training exercise, the soldier is affected just the same

On that simple logic then no doubt we will be invading China, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma, Sudan, Nigeria, Iran etc.... soon and you will support all those offensives?

I wouldn't have a problem if the UN passed a resolution that created offensives against these kinds of government. The action would have to be proportionate though and have a reasonable chance of success.

A more reasonable compromise would be to demand that they have a white poppy on the kit, as that doesn't have the Unionist connotations of the red poppy.

TBH I can see their point, but they've made themselves look like w*nkers by just being blindly oppositional rather than looking for a solution that's best for everyone.

A more reasonable compromise would be to demand that they have a white poppy on the kit, as that doesn't have the Unionist connotations of the red poppy.

 

TBH I can see their point, but they've made themselves look like w*nkers by just being blindly oppositional rather than looking for a solution that's best for everyone.

And herein lies the problem.

A more reasonable compromise would be to demand that they have a white poppy on the kit, as that doesn't have the Unionist connotations of the red poppy.

 

TBH I can see their point, but they've made themselves look like w*nkers by just being blindly oppositional rather than looking for a solution that's best for everyone.

Nutshell.

That group of Celtic fans are just another bunch of mongs jumping on the Political Correct mongs trying to get us to stop wearing poppies

There is a cancer in this country that is spreading to get the poppy banned as they believe it gloirifies war. ******** to them C**ts. If it was for those that laid down their lifes

these C**ts wouldnt have the free speech to come out with such offensive remarks and comments

The Poppy is a symbol of remembrance . Lest we forget and as John McCrae wrote

In Flanders fields the poppies blow

Between the crosses, row on row,

That mark our place; and in the sky

The larks, still bravely singing, fly

Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago

We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,

Loved and were loved, and now we lie

In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:

To you from failing hands we throw

The torch; be yours to hold it high.

If ye break faith with us who die

We shall not sleep, though poppies grow

In Flanders fields.

I see where your coming from Mao but the white poppy was worn by pacifists, Socialist and CND

perhaps you would like to see different coloured poppies being worn Pink , green, Blue

You need to read my post above re Flanders Fields and realise what the red Poppy actual symbolises. it does not have unionist connotations

The French , Belgiums , Canadians

Their will be rembrances services and parades in those country its not exclusive to the UK

As an ex soldier of 42 years I find it very offensive that people what to denigrate the poppy for political purposes

We will remember them

I see where your coming from Mao but the white poppy was worn by pacifists, Socialist and CND

 

perhaps you would like to see different coloured poppies being worn Pink , green, Blue

 

You need to read my post above re Flanders Fields and realise what the red Poppy actual symbolises. it does not have unionist connotations

The French , Belgiums , Canadians

Their will be rembrances services and parades in those country its not exclusive to the UK

 

As an ex soldier of 42 years I find it very offensive that people what to denigrate the poppy for political purposes

 

We will remember them

I agree with you, HOWEVER, I'm sure they would draw your attention to Ireland and 1917.

celtic have a ginger manager who has dyed his blonde in the past, say no more. They are ****s!

Are the British Legion's coffers being effected by the younger generation's propensity towards the newer 'sexier' Help for Heroes charity I wonder?

This should be a reminder to anyone considering Celtic and Rangers joining the PL - this is the sort of b******t that you have to put up with when you allow the old firm in. They should never, ever be invited to join the PL or the FL.

I couldn't disagree with you more to be honest.

 

The poppy is in memory of the soldiers who laid down their lives, nothing to do with the reasons for war or the politicians who make those decisions.

This is the correct understanding of the wearing of the poppy !

Having worked with many different nationalities (including Germans!) the significance to intelligent people is clear, to others (like Benji) they find reason to twist it !

Sorry to say, but I am saddened by this !

I'm not trying to twist anything, merely positing another angle for people to think about. My view is that raising money for people who need help is generally a good thing. I also feel the value of "remembrance" is somewhat undermined by surrounding it with militaristic pomp and circumstance which only underlines our propensity to keep subjecting people to the **** of war ad infinitum; unless of course you believe our current wars are just, in which case it makes perfect sense. That is the point - pure remembrance does not need mass ostentation which can only ever be inherently political.

I'm not trying to offend and not saying people should not choose to participate in the appeal if they wish.

And simply saying something is "politically correct" is hardly a devastating argument.

Up the Gers

So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do.

Lol, and you think any of those factors were the reasons we went to war? The west was quite happy with Saddam at the height of his evil. It was about appeasing the US electorate who wanted to kick (anyone's) arse in the wake of 911 and securing oil and influence for the US in the middle east.

I'm not trying to twist anything, merely positing another angle for people to think about. My view is that raising money for people who need help is generally a good thing. I also feel the value of "remembrance" is somewhat undermined by surrounding it with militaristic pomp and circumstance which only underlines our propensity to keep subjecting people to the **** of war ad infinitum; unless of course you believe our current wars are just, in which case it makes perfect sense. That is the point - pure remembrance does not need mass ostentation which can only ever be inherently political.

 

I'm not trying to offend and not saying people should not choose to participate in the appeal if they wish.

 

And simply saying something is "politically correct" is hardly a devastating argument.

Likewise, I do not support anything purely for reasons of 'political correctness' but the Poppy appeal has been in existence for decades (long before the Falklands, Iraq and Afghanistan!) and I feel that it is a genuine symbol of remembrance and should be applauded rather than questioned by those with little or no knowledge of what real sacrifice actually entails !

The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers".

what a load of ********. Wearing the poppy and remembering the actions of the likes of my great grandad and my grandad in the two world wars does in no way constitute backing for our current and recent foreign policy. If you choosew to make that link that is your choice.

On that simple logic then no doubt we will be invading China, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma, Sudan, Nigeria, Iran etc.... soon and you will support all those offensives?

Only when it suits us Benjii

what a load of ********. Wearing the poppy and remembering the actions of the likes of my great grandad and my grandad in the two world wars does in no way constitute backing for our current and recent foreign policy. If you choosew to make that link that is your choice.

Quite. I am glad that you differentiate between the army and the government. It isn't the army who chooses where to fight, and I think that people will find that the army were VERY anti-war in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is why Support the Troops started, to draw awareness to the fact that they have no choice.

So the Celtic fans are being incredibly stooopid, and as someone pointed out, most of them no doubt voted for Labour who are 100% responsible.