Has Killer's knee popped already ?

In the article "Killer's Comeback" on the OS, there are some worrying comments from Killer about his knee. I seem to recall similar comments being made just before his last relapse.

I do hope this is different this time. He could be essential to survival this season. I just cant help fearing his comeback has been rushed...

3 years?

they may be he should never have comeback. Do you want him being on crutches for the result of his life on your conscience ?

It my be different, and he may always have aches and pains after matches from now until he retires. But it sounds similar to last time.

Our hope of survival lies more on the fitness of Andrew Davies. Killer playing 90 minutes Saturday after what he's go through is nothing more than a miracle. The big question is surely how many miracles are we allowed per season?

Agree with Art - how is Andrew Davies progressing?

Having had a similar injury myself 4 years back it's no suprise that Killer has a bit of residual soreness. When you have a major ligament injury in the knee you wil also sustainsecondary damage, typically to the miniscus cartilage, something that is a bit of an accelerationof the aging process. This isn't something that will necessarily stop you playing but it's uncomfortable and means there needs to be a little rest between games. So, touch wood, not too much to worry about

When did Saints aiming for survival at the start of the season. Have most of the Saints fans given up for promotion already???????

When did Saints aiming for survival at the start of the season. Have most of the Saints fans given up for promotion already???????

Wouldnt presume to speak for other fans, but I would have said the answer to your question is yes.

Wouldnt presume to speak for other fans, but I would have said the answer to your question is yes.

Wouldn't say that is entirely true. At this point in time I am not expecting promotion, but I may revise that as the season unfolds. Particularly once we are taken over .......

Agree with Art - how is Andrew Davies progressing?

I hope I'm not reading too much in to the complete lack of updates from the club regarding Andrew Davies. He's a massive element of our cause.

I hope I'm not reading too much in to the complete lack of updates from the club regarding Andrew Davies. He's a massive element of our cause.

Updated Aug 7th 2008

 

ANDREW DAVIES

 

Davies is on the verge of resuming training, following a summer lay-off for pre-arranged surgery on a leg he broke while at Middlesbrough. His right ankle and knee were both operated on and he will now begin strength training, with a view to a return to full-fitness within the next fortnight.

 

OLIVER LANCASHIRE

 

Lancashire is now back in training following a four week lay-off and featured for the Reserves in their pre-season outing against Woking.

Linky type thing to OS

Linky type thing to OS

Whoops, thanks Hugh. I'll go and sit in the corner with my back to the class :oops:

Whoops, thanks Hugh. I'll go and sit in the corner with my back to the class :oops:

No problem, I am just as anxious as you!

I think that, quite frankly, it's amazing he has been able to play in August. I wasn't expecting him to play until October really, if at all.

If coming back a bit earlier means he can only play once a week, then that's fine. It might take a few more months to be able to play twice a week, or it might never happen. But if anyone expected him to come through this game without a bit of soreness afterwards, then they are mad and also can't read. He said the same thing through-out pre-season: it took him a couple of days to recover after each game.

I wonder how many more topics alpine can be depressing about?

I wonder how many more topics alpine can be depressing about?

Did you REALLY need to ask that question?!

In the article "Killer's Comeback" on the OS, there are some worrying comments from Killer about his knee. I seem to recall similar comments being made just before his last relapse.

 

I do hope this is different this time. He could be essential to survival this season. I just cant help fearing his comeback has been rushed...

Alpine, listenting to Killer on Radio Hants after the game, he seemed to be indicating that he was just knackered and that his kneww was just sore as expected. It would seem that he was never planned to be part of the team for Exeter, I would think it is just too early to play twice a week as yet. Although I have fears too that he may not last, I think you are reading too much into this at the moment, I am reasonably confident that this is just sensible precautionary measures and normal soreness after such a long time out.

My bigger fear is Andrew Davies, although the OS says he is about to resume training it does seem odd that this planned op seems to have taken longer to be completed than was expected, and it would seem unlikely we will see him playing until well into September at best.

I wonder how many more topics alpine can be depressing about?

He'll find plenty to mither about.

I think that, quite frankly, it's amazing he has been able to play in August. I wasn't expecting him to play until October really, if at all.

 

If coming back a bit earlier means he can only play once a week, then that's fine. It might take a few more months to be able to play twice a week, or it might never happen. But if anyone expected him to come through this game without a bit of soreness afterwards, then they are mad and also can't read. He said the same thing through-out pre-season: it took him a couple of days to recover after each game.

 

I wonder how many more topics alpine can be depressing about?

Will you not hold your breath everytime he goes in for a tackle ?

I really want his comeback to endure, but let's face it, subconsciously, none of us are expecting him to last the season. Why does that make me depressive ?

Sounds like the same comment that he made after the pre-season games so nothing to be unduly worried about. I'll be more concerned if he doesn't feature against Birmingham on Saturday.

they may be he should never have comeback. Do you want him being on crutches for the result of his life on your conscience ?

 

It my be different, and he may always have aches and pains after matches from now until he retires. But it sounds similar to last time.

I don't think anyone does but surely it's up to the player whether he wants to continue or not. Let's hope his leg holds out.

Burley Out....

In the article "Killer's Comeback" on the OS, there are some worrying comments from Killer about his knee. I seem to recall similar comments being made just before his last relapse.

 

I do hope this is different this time. He could be essential to survival this season. I just cant help fearing his comeback has been rushed...

I wouldn't expect Killer to play twice a week, nor do i think he will train fully all the time. A bit like McGrath when he was at Villa.If I remember right McGrath was written off by Fergie at United but Villa had him playing once a week & just kept his fitness level but no full training during the week & he was Superb for them for a couple of years playing that way. If Killer can play between 25 - 30 games this season it will be a real bonus. But the last thing I want is for him to do long term permanent damage to himself.

Hate to say it, but Im only giving Killer a few months

I don't think anyone does but surely it's up to the player whether he wants to continue or not. Let's hope his leg holds out.

Agree with that. Ultimately, MS is the one who has, off his own back, continued to work on his fitness in the last year despite not being on any sort of contract with SFC with the sole aim of, at some point, getting fit to play for us again. It has been his decision, and I'm sure he'll have made that decision following consultation with numerous medical experts who will obviously be far better placed to say whether it's a risk worth taking or not than us. The very fact that he's got where he is right now would suggest they either didn't see any problem or (more likely) MS has decided that he wants to continue playing football at the potential detriment to his fitness once he retires. If that's what he has decided to do, that's entirely his decision and I would say all credit goes to him for it.

a few months ago, it was posted on here that he may play this season, the "realisitic" posters confidently said that if we thought that we were in fantasy land, choosing to ignore the OS and those who spoke with him.

Who knows what will happen, but he and the club seem happy, so I will go with them rather than the "realistic" posters.

Alpine are you going back to the 2007-2008 campaign of "We need a CB"?

the world is a more positive place.

i remembered that ignore function.

if you think of anyone who is irritating in the way they will post negatives and moan, when know none of the facts, and you have yet to see an insightful, constructive post from them then it may be worth using the function.

It saves being dragged into useless arguements.

a few months ago, it was posted on here that he may play this season, the "realisitic" posters confidently said that if we thought that we were in fantasy land, choosing to ignore the OS and those who spoke with him.

 

Who knows what will happen, but he and the club seem happy, so I will go with them rather than the "realistic" posters.

No, the really realistic posters will wait and see how it all pans out after say a dozen games. The optimists will say that all his troubles are over and the pessimists will say that his injury will return after a few games and that he is on borrowed time. Do you see the difference?

Will you not hold your breath everytime he goes in for a tackle ?

 

I really want his comeback to endure, but let's face it, subconsciously, none of us are expecting him to last the season. Why does that make me depressive ?

You need to stop worrying so much. Seriously, you are more likely to die of anxiety than anyone I know. Killer knows the risks and is happy to take them. That's his call. If he fecks his knee up, he'll be able to say he risked it all for the thing he loves and unless it kills him, he'll enjoy a happy retirement not playing football and maybe coaching somewhere or managing...

What will we do without him? Get by. As we would have to with any player.

Seriously, lighten up for the good of your health.

You need to stop worrying so much. Seriously, you are more likely to die of anxiety than anyone I know. Killer knows the risks and is happy to take them. That's his call. If he fecks his knee up, he'll be able to say he risked it all for the thing he loves and unless it kills him, he'll enjoy a happy retirement not playing football and maybe coaching somewhere or managing...

 

What will we do without him? Get by. As we would have to with any player.

 

Seriously, lighten up for the good of your health.

LOL - Got to love this, the thread has now gone full circle..!!! Whose health are we more concerned about, Killers or AS's...???

the world is a more positive place.

 

i remembered that ignore function.

 

if you think of anyone who is irritating in the way they will post negatives and moan, when know none of the facts, and you have yet to see an insightful, constructive post from them then it may be worth using the function.

It saves being dragged into useless arguements.

Indeed, maybe it is time to reciprocate against happy-clappies who seem to have major nervous breakdowns about any post that is not fullsome, gushing, and ends with COYR or "up the Saints"

Indeed, maybe it is time to reciprocate against happy-clappies who seem to have major nervous breakdowns about any post that is not fullsome, gushing, and ends with COYR or "up the Saints"

I propose two separate forums. Then we can be happily happy or happily otherwise and not have any dissenting discussions.

:mad::smt089

Wouldnt presume to speak for other fans, but I would have said the answer to your question is yes.

Yes I agree with Alpine

No, the really realistic posters will wait and see how it all pans out after say a dozen games. The optimists will say that all his troubles are over and the pessimists will say that his injury will return after a few games and that he is on borrowed time. Do you see the difference?

saw yours -so maybr not talking about you this time!

Its not often we agree but I flagged up the exact same concern yesterday on a different thread. I don't recall reading anything about soreness during preseason and to be honest after months of training and 4 or 5 games I'd of thought any aches and pains associated with not playing for a long time would have started to ease?

Agree with Art - how is Andrew Davies progressing?

on os says he should be back to full fitness in about two weeks.

Having had a similar injury myself 4 years back it's no suprise that Killer has a bit of residual soreness. When you have a major ligament injury in the knee you wil also sustainsecondary damage, typically to the miniscus cartilage, something that is a bit of an accelerationof the aging process. This isn't something that will necessarily stop you playing but it's uncomfortable and means there needs to be a little rest between games. So, touch wood, not too much to worry about

I to have had a total of 8 ops now on my knees. Too much sking and footy when I was younger. If I go for a kick about let alone a full game Im sore. But my issue is he got the injury in a "friendly" training session and it went so god know what it will be like if he get hammered in a proper game

Agree with that. Ultimately, MS is the one who has, off his own back, continued to work on his fitness in the last year despite not being on any sort of contract with SFC with the sole aim of, at some point, getting fit to play for us again. It has been his decision, and I'm sure he'll have made that decision following consultation with numerous medical experts who will obviously be far better placed to say whether it's a risk worth taking or not than us. The very fact that he's got where he is right now would suggest they either didn't see any problem or (more likely) MS has decided that he wants to continue playing football at the potential detriment to his fitness once he retires. If that's what he has decided to do, that's entirely his decision and I would say all credit goes to him for it.

Whilst the man may be determined to succeed, I personally give him the credit for being a very sensible person who would retire rather than do himself irreparable damage.

Over a year ago he was given the choice of retiring or going through what is a proven procedure to give him the chance to continue. Knee joints after surgery take quite a time to settle down. Moderate exercise or heavy exercise for shorter periods povoke no reaction but go past that time and stiffness and soreness show. It doesn't mean damage purely reaction and settles down relatively quickly.

Whilst the man may be determined to succeed, I personally give him the credit for being a very sensible person who would retire rather than do himself irreparable damage.

 

Over a year ago he was given the choice of retiring or going through what is a proven procedure to give him the chance to continue. Knee joints after surgery take quite a time to settle down. Moderate exercise or heavy exercise for shorter periods povoke no reaction but go past that time and stiffness and soreness show. It doesn't mean damage purely reaction and settles down relatively quickly.

Hmmm, not sure about that...

If you thought you could continue your dream against advice, might you not give it a go??

I think I would and to hell with the consequences.

Hmmm, not sure about that...

 

If you thought you could continue your dream against advice, might you not give it a go??

 

I think I would and to hell with the consequences.

I know for sure I wouldn't.

Hmmm, not sure about that...

 

If you thought you could continue your dream against advice, might you not give it a go??

 

I think I would and to hell with the consequences.

I understand that the advice gave him a choice of two options, the other was retire, having taken the second option the medical advice is to give it a go.

I know for sure I wouldn't.

Not if you've spent your whole life wanting something so badly and the only possible downside is that you might walk with a slight limp and a little pain???

Not if you've spent your whole life wanting something so badly and the only possible downside is that you might walk with a slight limp and a little pain???

Then not walk at all without replacements and a lot of pain. Just not an option. That's why Claus decided to retire.

Then not walk at all without replacements and a lot of pain. Just not an option. That's why Claus decided to retire.

Yep, point taken. It's just that the world is full of people who went too far against all the advice because they couldn't give up their dreams. So I wouldn't bank on a footballer giving up when a small glimmer of hope remains... As I said, I'm not sure I'm sensible enough to give up on a dream.

Yep, point taken. It's just that the world is full of people who went too far against all the advice because they couldn't give up their dreams. So I wouldn't bank on a footballer giving up when a small glimmer of hope remains... As I said, I'm not sure I'm sensible enough to give up on a dream.

In some ways you are right, by using cortisone injections club doctors put players through matches by masking the pain and ruining the player in both the short and long term. How else did Delgado and Pahars play in the world cup whilst being longterm injured at the club?

I have to say Killer's return is one of the few good things in modern football. A footballer who's put himself through physical and mental barrier's in order to get back to playing the sport he loves. However long it lasts in a game now dominated by lack of loyalty and money i'll be cheering him on. There have been nay sayers on this board for ages, knocking his attempts to come back. I can't understand their mindset. People should leave off second guessing him and just enjoy the sensation of having someone at saints who's playing for the love of playing and leave him to be the judge of his own body.

This is a silly thread!

What evidence is there to even ask the question "has killers knee popped already" ?

The answer is none.

If you read the page on the os Killer says that his knee is a bit sore, but that he will be ok in the pool, ok on the bike and hopes to resume training in a few days. No hint of any serious problem at all.

Forget any medical explanation - it is surely obvious that with what he has been through there is likely to be a reaction whenever he trains and/or plays. The hope is that he and the club manage it corretly and that he can play most of the league games.

I to have had a total of 8 ops now on my knees. Too much sking and footy when I was younger. If I go for a kick about let alone a full game Im sore. But my issue is he got the injury in a "friendly" training session and it went so god know what it will be like if he get hammered in a proper game

My sympathies, it ain't nice.

However knee ligament damage is, from my experience and what I was told by the various specialists and physios I saw about my injury, is rarely, if ever an impact injury - it tends to come from a freak positioning and weight transfer and not in a challenge so it's no more likely to happen in a game scenario than in a friendly game of badminton or a trip to the local ice rink. My own suspicion is that the only real extra risk a game situation would create is when the player is really tired and becomes a little less well balanced, meaning the knee would be likely to get out of alignment.

My concerns would be around either an incomplete recovery, which I just can't see as being likely - after three years surely killer would think ''what's a gameor two more - or some kind of secondary damage, for example if he's changed posture over a long period out, or timing and balance are a bit off through long absence.

That said I am no expert and haven't seen any detail of killer's state of fitness so woudl know nothing more than anyone else on here

Beyond that I think there's not much more risk than for any other player into their thirties

This is a silly thread!

 

What evidence is there to even ask the question "has killers knee popped already" ?

 

The answer is none.

 

If you read the page on the os Killer says that his knee is a bit sore, but that he will be ok in the pool, ok on the bike and hopes to resume training in a few days. No hint of any serious problem at all.

 

Forget any medical explanation - it is surely obvious that with what he has been through there is likely to be a reaction whenever he trains and/or plays. The hope is that he and the club manage it corretly and that he can play most of the league games.

Alpine is merely saying what Killer is quoted as saying draws disturbing parallels with what he said last "comeback." I noticed it as well and was worried as any supporter would be.