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Thedelldays
20-11-2008, 06:04 PM
so..in todays gaming market..is a PS3 better for games (only) than an 360.or for gaming are they equal...?

St Marco
20-11-2008, 06:31 PM
To be honest with you this generation will be known as the "multi-platform" generation. Most big title games are now on both consoles rather then just on one. However if you compare those multiplatform games they generally score higher on 360.

In terms of the market (which i work in) the PS3 would be a bad investment for the money it cost right now. Since the death of HD-Dvd Blu-Ray has not taken over the HD market like some predicted. In fact its sales are still at the 5%-7% mark which means the general public have yet to take to it. This is mainly due to the fact people don't know the difference between a normal dvd and a HD disc. Most people dont consider the difference that great nor worth buying their dvd collection again for. Add to this the primary reason for ending the format war (cost) has not happened. It still costs 25+ for a Blu-Ray disc and that doesnt look to be coming down in price to match the 8 for a new dvd. When the prices are down for the discs and the players then it could start to challenge it.
But because your after games only then i think that just boils down to a personal preference really. Both consoles have their own exclusives and future exclusives.
But in solid factual terms there are 40 games on the 360 with a metascore of 85%+ and 26 for the PS3. So in terms of critical acclaim there are better reviewed games for the 360. But it is horses for courses. My all time fav game is Shenmue. That was out for the Dreamcast. I would say it was worth buying that console for just that 1 game. I didnt pay for my PS3 but i would say it would be worth paying it for Metal Gear Solid 4 and GT5 when that comes out.

Thedelldays
23-11-2008, 07:43 PM
cheers..

i was thinking of just gaming..IE titles and graphics

i assume the graphics are equal and the only reason the PS3 is more expensive is because of the Blu-ray player????

also, isnt it true that if Blu-ray takes off they will bring out a player to plug into your 360??

cheers anyway mate

Scummer
23-11-2008, 08:38 PM
It still costs 25+ for a Blu-Ray disc and that doesnt look to be coming down in price to match the 8 for a new dvd.

I'd agree that discs are too expensive, but they aren't that much. They are between 15-20 quid. Which, if you are right that they were 25+, shows that prices are coming down.

mynameisthehulk
23-11-2008, 09:47 PM
I predict this thread will end up an all out war between St Marco and anyone who has purchased a PS3

St Marco
23-11-2008, 11:31 PM
I predict this thread will end up an all out war between St Marco and anyone who has purchased a PS3

Haha well the problem is i own all three of the consoles so i think im in a un-biased position to comment on them. They all have their pluses and all have their minus'. People naturally want to defend what they have paid for so it is easier just to slag me off etc.. The truth is that i have said for the best part of 2 years that the PS3 is a console in trouble and not worth the amount paid on it, but because of that i come across as a 360 fanboy when really im just giving buisness advice.

The ironic thing is that the PS3 has been on sale now for 100 weeks and this is its graph compared to the other 2 consoles
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8045/9257544aaasm0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see that is a nasty down curve for Sony. This is what i tried to explain to people but again it comes across like im a fanboy when im just giving the facts.
At the end of the day i couldn't care less as i like all three of the consoles for very different reasons. I use my PS3 for watching films, my 360 for games and my Wii for when we have friends over. At heart i am a hardcore gamer, games like Gears of War will apeal more to me then say Cooking Mama.
Right now the PS3 is losing 100k units a week over the 360. Games wise the 360 is shiffting almost 5 games to every 1 PS3 game, there are reasons why it is doing those numbers. But if you say why your be called a fanboy!

Scummer
24-11-2008, 07:44 AM
The reason people get annoyed with you is that you state things as fact, when they are anything but.

That graph, for example, doesn't seem to show the Wii, PS3 and 360 against each other, as you said. It shows each of them against their previous generation.

So the Wii is selling more than the Gamecube (no surprise there), the PS3 is selling less than the PS2, and the 360 is about flat with the Xbox.

Are those worldwide figures, by the way?

St Marco
24-11-2008, 09:22 AM
The reason people get annoyed with you is that you state things as fact, when they are anything but.

That graph, for example, doesn't seem to show the Wii, PS3 and 360 against each other, as you said. It shows each of them against their previous generation.

So the Wii is selling more than the Gamecube (no surprise there), the PS3 is selling less than the PS2, and the 360 is about flat with the Xbox.

Are those worldwide figures, by the way?

The graph shows you how well the consoles are doing with their old consoles combined. I.e this time last Gen PS2 sold almost 20m more units then what the PS3 has sold. The 360 has sold about 5m more then what the xbox1 sold and well the Wii has sold 25m more then the Gamecube which means the Wii is this gens PS2, the 360 is this gens xbox and the PS3 is this gens gamecube.. If you go over to vgc the analyst has done a nice report for buisness (which i stole the graph from) which shows you the PS3 projection is in line with that graph.
And yes they are worldwide figures. The figures i show and have always showed are pretty much fact.

EDIT:

Here is the graph i mentioned
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3907/56888284fs6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If you look at the Green and Red bits you see the numbers that the 360 and PS3 have contributed to the total number of sales for this generation. So if you look at the last bar under the 100 week number you see the PS3 has sold 17m and the 360 has sold almost 26m units. But the key part here is if you look at the 360 green bit you see it has consistently grown above the PS3 especially in the last 10 weeks. Thus meaning the gap is increasing rapidly.

So projection wise for 150 weeks this will be the graph
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2708/7491839aaafg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now the PS3 part has not been filled in simply because it is the youngest of the consoles. However if you look at the 360 you can see that in its 150th week it had put on another 5m consoles. The Wii well the Wii is just a selling machine. So if you look at that graph the PS3 NEEDS to sell next year at minimum 10m units just to get back to level par. Which is not going to happen. That line will continue to fall and fall. It is following the exact same pattern as the Dreamcast and the Gamecube. So if i had to advise someone who had shares in Sony what to do i would tell them to bail now, seeing as they have fallen over 14% and made a loss of $415m in the past 3 months alone does not make good reading.

Bentley
24-11-2008, 09:33 AM
The 360 has sold about 5m more then what the xbox1 sold .

Thats nowhere near what the graph says.

pittdogg
24-11-2008, 10:02 AM
Haha well the problem is i own all three of the consoles so i think im in a un-biased position to comment on them. They all have their pluses and all have their minus'. People naturally want to defend what they have paid for so it is easier just to slag me off etc.. The truth is that i have said for the best part of 2 years that the PS3 is a console in trouble and not worth the amount paid on it, but because of that i come across as a 360 fanboy when really im just giving buisness advice.

The ironic thing is that the PS3 has been on sale now for 100 weeks and this is its graph compared to the other 2 consoles
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8045/9257544aaasm0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see that is a nasty down curve for Sony. This is what i tried to explain to people but again it comes across like im a fanboy when im just giving the facts.
At the end of the day i couldn't care less as i like all three of the consoles for very different reasons. I use my PS3 for watching films, my 360 for games and my Wii for when we have friends over. At heart i am a hardcore gamer, games like Gears of War will apeal more to me then say Cooking Mama.
Right now the PS3 is losing 100k units a week over the 360. Games wise the 360 is shiffting almost 5 games to every 1 PS3 game, there are reasons why it is doing those numbers. But if you say why your be called a fanboy!
no you come across as an xbox fanboy because you make threads about "xbox outsells wii" "xbox wins award" and make biased threads about ps3. i understand the ps3 has its falts as does you xbox. but it also has its good points its a good bit of technology.i have no regrets about mine. the major fact is you have never made a positive thread about the ps3 and that's why you come across as a fanboy
im not trying to get in an argument with you.im just trying to state something that im sure a few people think

warsash saint
24-11-2008, 10:28 AM
I own both & would say my PS3 gets used 75% of the time whilst my 360 25%

My PS3 is used for Blu ray (Marco - 25 a disc ?? get real !), media streaming & the odd game

360 is used purely for games & then mainly by the kids.

If I had to to decide I would say the PS3 is a better buy taking into account everything it does & with Woolworths doing it for about 240 it makes even more sence to get one.

St Marco
24-11-2008, 10:50 AM
Thats nowhere near what the graph says.

Yes it is....look at the green line you see it is just under the 5m number?

St Marco
24-11-2008, 10:57 AM
no you come across as an xbox fanboy because you make threads about "xbox outsells wii" "xbox wins award" and make biased threads about ps3. i understand the ps3 has its falts as does you xbox. but it also has its good points its a good bit of technology.i have no regrets about mine. the major fact is you have never made a positive thread about the ps3 and that's why you come across as a fanboy
im not trying to get in an argument with you.im just trying to state something that im sure a few people think

No i make threads that are news worthy. The fact that a western product can beat a Japanese product on home soil is amazing, it as far as im aware has never happened before. So you might look at that thread thinking "fanboy" while those who actually have any knowledge of modern buisness will be thinking "wow".

The 360 has a lot of faults, literally! And i say positive stuff about the PS3 all the time. If you see the threads i myself have made have actually been neutral threads. I dont criticise the Wii or the 360 that much because they have had their days of being slagged off, how many times can you start a thread saying "dont get a 360 because it will break?" That is like 3 years ago...

The PS3 is living off of the PlayStation legacy. The PS2 alone sold over 120m consoles in under 8 years. It is the benchmark for everything to come. The fact is statisticly but more importantly factually the PS3 is not doing well. So if i said it was or tried to defend it then that would mean i would be a PS3 fanboy which im clearly not. So you try and defend it which as i said is natural for someone who has spent a lot of money on it, thus while you label me a 360 fanboy must in-turn make you a PS3 fanboy.

St Marco
24-11-2008, 11:00 AM
My PS3 is used for Blu ray (Marco - 25 a disc ?? get real !), media streaming & the odd game


In HMV they are around 25. If you buy online then they are between about 17-20. Again twice the price almost of standard DVD's. I have around 20 Blu-Ray films.

Thedelldays
24-11-2008, 11:41 AM
in terms of graphics...they are equal..?

Danny
24-11-2008, 11:55 AM
in terms of graphics...they are equal..?

Pretty much. Some games obviously look slightly better on one console, but to be honest you'd be hard pushed to notice any real difference.

warsash saint
24-11-2008, 01:15 PM
in terms of graphics...they are equal..?

I would say most games are similar but have yet to see anything on the Xbox that matches Wipeout HD

mynameisthehulk
24-11-2008, 01:30 PM
I predict this thread will end up an all out war between St Marco and anyone who has purchased a PS3

Told ya

St Marco
24-11-2008, 01:57 PM
Told ya

Sorry

My new years resolution is to let go of the whole computer sales things. Mainly because my job will then turn into Film Analysis so i will bug the film forum :D

Seriously though as much as i don't show it i do actually really like my PS3. LittleBigPlanet is loads of fun. It is one of those rare games that come along now and then that just makes you really smile. Sort of like when you watch a Disney film with the family when you see a joke aimed at adults that the young ones wont get!

The thing i don't like is the way Sony have approached this generation thinking were all sheep and will pay xyz for something simply because it has the word PlayStation on it. So in that regards i would say yes i dislike Sony. Their whole buisness strategy is just awful and seems like they make it up as they go along. My view is they should have made people choose between having a Blu-Ray player or not, that would of brought the costs down a lot.

So while i might be a bit more critical of the PS3 it isn't because of it's games, it has lots of fun games that are as good or in some instances (Oblivion) better then even the PC version. Just at a time of total financial chaos around the world, big fall in PS3 sales etc.. you would expect Sony to cut the price right? Especially in say UK where it is the most expensive? Well apparently not, to make people even more angry Sony have decided to actually increase the price of their products most likely including the PS3
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=28965512

It is things like that which annoy me and make me think what i think about Sony. PS3 = great machine, Sony = dirty company that think of quantity rather then quality.

pittdogg
03-12-2008, 07:10 PM
st marco what is it that you think makes the ps3 so expensive?. You use xbox live am i right. that is 40 a year for full access to its online facilities where as full access is free on playstation. wireless is about 50 on xbox and free on playstation. and add to that the cost of an hd dvd drive(and yes that is relevant because playstation has its built in blu ray player) so can you find a brand new xbox 360 with 5years xbox live membership, wireless internet, blu ray/hd dvd player, and 80gb of memory for cheeper than a 80gb ps3(which has all of the above)at 299 play.com?

Thedelldays
03-12-2008, 07:23 PM
i prefer my ps3...

as i have a portable hard drive and it is connected to the ps3 with all my downloaded stuff to watch on the telly rather then the laptop

St Marco
03-12-2008, 08:05 PM
st marco what is it that you think makes the ps3 so expensive?. You use xbox live am i right. that is 40 a year for full access to its online facilities where as full access is free on playstation. wireless is about 50 on xbox and free on playstation. and add to that the cost of an hd dvd drive(and yes that is relevant because playstation has its built in blu ray player) so can you find a brand new xbox 360 with 5years xbox live membership, wireless internet, blu ray/hd dvd player, and 80gb of memory for cheeper than a 80gb ps3(which has all of the above)at 299 play.com?

The problem is pittdog mate you have no choice but to buy those things. You were not given a choice as you were with a Wii,360,PS2 or even PS1. It was up to you wether you wanted to buy those things. For example you mention there the HD:Dvd drive. In the grand scheme of things a tiny % of 360 owners actually bought one. If you then say compare that to Blu-Ray you see that Blu-Ray sales are actually very poor. I remember telling you over a year ago it would not catch on and right now i appear to be right. With even the head of Warner Brothers saying
"We think this is a do-or-die time for Blu-ray. We must get it established as a favorite holiday item"
http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-dvd-sales-down-blu-rays-missing-its-mark-whats-hollywood-to-do/
In fact figures say that for every Blu-Ray player out there only 1 Blu-Ray film has been sold per unit. In a time where they have no competition at all you would of expected the format to do much better. But we see for last week that its number for film sales is still under 10% and falling. If you look at this you see the numbers.
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom989113PBN/#/2
While DVD sales are increasing Blu-Ray sales are decreasing.

So my whole point of that is you were not given a choice wether or not to buy into Blu-Ray technology. Because you were not given that choice the price of the console goes up almost 100 ($200). So your effectivley paying money to pro-long a format that looks like it could die with in the next few years. Then when the next generation of technology comes about most likely your Blu-Ray discs and your PS3 discs will not work with it.
So with the HD:Dvd you were given the choice. If you watch films then you would buy one, if you don't then well you wouldn't. If you didn't you would save a lot of money.

Then moving on to other things such as the internet. I actually don't have xbox live. I used to but no longer have the time. With the PS3 you get a built in wireless adaptor. With the 360 you don't. To get one for the 360 will cost you 35-50. Now the same rule applies as before. If you bought the PS3 you don't have a choice you have to pay for it as it is included in the console. If you are like me and have a router then chances are your router will be somewhere near your xbox/tv/sky/pc etc.. so rather then buy a wireless why don't you run a 3 ethernet lead from your router to your 360? It gives you a constant connection and a more reliable connection which runs faster and wont suffer interference. Now on my PS3 i have the RJ-45 plugged into the router and i bet a lot of you do too. So again the cost of the PS3 is increased by about 50 ($80) because you are told you must have a wireless adapter! Where as on the 360 you buy the wireless adapter if you need it. You are not charged if you don't need it. Which then brings us onto the reliability of the two services. While i don't agree with paying to use a service such as xbox live i can appreciate how much it costs to run it. If you have 25m people all on one service downloading everything/playing online/streaming films etc.. etc.. then that is going to hammer any system. Buy paying for it means you get demo's and things very fast and early, you get updates the moment they are made and more importantly you have various applications which enable you to speak to your friends and so on. PSN is a service which i feel gets a lot of negative press for unjust things, for a free service it does what it is supposed to. But is it really free? Again with the xbox live, if you don't want to use it you don't have to. You still get all the updates and can use all of the things on there.

So i could keep going but i think you get the point i make. You look at the prices and think "well if i bought those things on the 360 would make the 360 more expensive". Which it obviously would. But the way most people look at it is like this
-Don't need Blu-Ray as i don't watch to many films let alone buy that many.
-Don't need wireless as the console is in the same room as the router/computer
etc.. etc..
Which means why should people have to pay for the things they don't want and more importantly won't use?

As for the memory thing all those people without memory were actually given free memory cards of 256mb. The price of a Hard Drive (20GB) is about 40.
http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/Hardware/Accessory/~r327028/Xbox-360-Hard-Drive-20GB/?s=hard%20drive
Think you can even get 60GB and 120GB ones now too.

So for 299 you could get
A pro 360 (Gear1&2+Fallout 3)
60GB Harddrive, Wireless controller, Wireless headset, HDMI cable, Upscalling dvd drive etc.. for 195. So that is a lot of stuff.
Then if you wanted a wireless and full year subscription to live that would be say 50 for the wireless and then say 30 for the subscription.
So that is about 25 less then the 299 you said.

However if it was me i would get the pro with fifa 09 for 170. Then use the cable to use HD and use the ethernet cable from my router. Then with the 130 i saved could buy 3-4 brand new games.

pittdogg
03-12-2008, 08:49 PM
my point was marco what would 80gb of memory a high def player wireless and 5 YEARS xbox live full subscription cost. and i do believe you would be able to tell me this in no more than the figure it comes to(witch is allot more)you dont need to write an essay just a number ???. I run my ps3 through wireless because myself router is in the bedroom connected to the main bt point and dont want a wire going through my house to connect it up. i have about 10 blu rays i which when we have friends round they love to watch because of the amazing picture and sound quality is eg 1080p picture, DTS HD master audio. and the pure fact i can play my friends for absolutely free is good enough for me.
i have never said the xbox is crap simply because its not
and unlike your belief i am not defending something because i paid allot of money for it
if i buy something and i think its s##t i will tell people
the only reason i post replys to you is because the ps3 just isn't the piece of crap you make it out to be. its an advanced bit of technology and you get allot for you money

St Marco
03-12-2008, 11:20 PM
my point was marco what would 80gb of memory a high def player wireless and 5 YEARS xbox live full subscription cost. and i do believe you would be able to tell me this in no more than the figure it comes to(witch is allot more)you dont need to write an essay just a number ???. I run my ps3 through wireless because myself router is in the bedroom connected to the main bt point and dont want a wire going through my house to connect it up. i have about 10 blu rays i which when we have friends round they love to watch because of the amazing picture and sound quality is eg 1080p picture, DTS HD master audio. and the pure fact i can play my friends for absolutely free is good enough for me.
i have never said the xbox is crap simply because its not
and unlike your belief i am not defending something because i paid allot of money for it
if i buy something and i think its s##t i will tell people
the only reason i post replys to you is because the ps3 just isn't the piece of crap you make it out to be. its an advanced bit of technology and you get allot for you money

And to answer your question about the cost (sorry i didn't understand before)
That would be 149 for the high def player and 60GB harddrive (they don't make an 80GB one). Say 50 for wireless adapter and 30 a year for subscription x 5. So in total that would be just under 300.

But i guess you didn't hear that we will most likely be paying for PSN,Home and future games like MAG?

mynameisthehulk
04-12-2008, 01:07 AM
I lol'd

Crouchie's Lawyer
04-12-2008, 08:35 AM
I have a Wii and an 360, and while I have no need for a PS3 at the moment, you simply cannot argue with the above comments Marco, no matter how much you love the 360. I would imagine the main reason why the 360 has out sold the PS3 is simply due to cost. Its about double the cost, and at present, with more games available, the xbox is winning. If the two were the same price and there were as many games for the PS3 as the 360, I would very much doubt that the 360 would be selling more (And thats coming from a 360 owner).

I think the Blu-ray player, wireless facility and built in hard drive are facts you cannot argue with as to why a lot of people favour the PS3, even if you dont.

Draino76
04-12-2008, 08:37 AM
I would get an X box but the controllers are w.a.n.k.

PS3 all the way man.

Crouchie's Lawyer
04-12-2008, 09:03 AM
I would get an X box but the controllers are w.a.n.k.

PS3 all the way man.

TBF, I never thought I would get used to playing with a different controller, but they are fine to use now. I actually find it easier to use the analogue on the xbox controller for some reason. Doesnt seem as 'jerky' as the PS analogue sticks

labibs
04-12-2008, 09:10 AM
I have a PS3 and I'm very happy with it. My little brother has a 360 and he loves it. I think both have decent games out for them and most games are dual platform these days.

Yes the 360 has a larger install base, but I do think that a lot of this is due to pricing and the year's headstart, Microsoft must be making a big loss one each unit sold (Sony must be with the PS3 as well to be fair). When I was choosing which console to buy I looked at the various options and for me the PS3 appealed more. I wasn't happy with having to play 40 a year for online play, plus having to buy a wireless bridge and a controller charger, when all of this was already built into the PS3. I was a bit put off by the RROD debacle as well.

Both of the systems have pros and cons:

There are some great exclusive games out for the 360 (Mass Effect, Fable II) but there are also some great exclusives for the PS3 (MGS4, Uncharted). The 360 had / has RROD issues and charges you for wireless play. The PS3 requires some lengthy installs of games and is apparently difficult to develop for.

At the end of day I would look at the exclusive titles for each machine and decide which one appeals to you the most. I could not care less about which system has sold more in Japan, or who won the sales war over Black Friday. Both are great machines and I'm just glad that as gamers we have so many good games available for us to play!

Barfy
04-12-2008, 09:13 AM
There were a number of reasons for me buying a PS3 (old games I still wanted play, friends who have them etc.), but the main ones for me were it's long term prospects and the fact that everything is in one system (I'm a very lazy man).

I also happen to think that the PS3 looks a lot better than the 360, which although seemingly trivial is just another factor that tips the balance in favour of the PS3.

To be honest I'm not really bothered what the sales figures in Japan for the last quarter were for each system. As someone pointed out above, the 360 is initially cheaper, so will sell more; simple economics really. But is it more likely that the 360 will be replaced by the next next-gen console earlier than the PS3?

Right now, the only thing that interests me is how do I get better at COD5 online, what games are coming out next, and if/when will there be new Final Fantasy and Assasins Creed games.

labibs
04-12-2008, 09:22 AM
Right now, the only thing that interests me is how do I get better at COD5 online, what games are coming out next, and if/when will there be new Final Fantasy and Assasins Creed games.

Have you seen this about Assassin's creed 2?

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26688230&om_act=convert&om_clk=morenews&tag=morenews;title;15

pittdogg
04-12-2008, 01:13 PM
And to answer your question about the cost (sorry i didn't understand before)
That would be 149 for the high def player and 60GB harddrive (they don't make an 80GB one). Say 50 for wireless adapter and 30 a year for subscription x 5. So in total that would be just under 300.

But i guess you didn't hear that we will most likely be paying for PSN,Home and future games like MAG?

yeah i did hear about having to pay for that mag game. not to happy about that. but playstation home is free. you get a free apartment and full access to public areas. im in the beta its mad. though there is a shopping mail where you can buy new clothes,stuff for your house and an estate agents. some content is brought using real money and some using money you have earned(a new system is being set up to award you money for earning trophys on games)

thesaint sfc
04-12-2008, 02:19 PM
I have an XBOX 360 because its cheaper in every aspect.

If money wasn't a factor and I didn't have an obsession with buying new games nearly every week, I'd have a PS3. It has more power and a blu ray player.

Can't go wrong with an XBOX 360 though.

Barfy
04-12-2008, 03:02 PM
yeah i did hear about having to pay for that mag game. not to happy about that. but playstation home is free. you get a free apartment and full access to public areas. im in the beta its mad. though there is a shopping mail where you can buy new clothes,stuff for your house and an estate agents. some content is brought using real money and some using money you have earned(a new system is being set up to award you money for earning trophys on games)

I've been on Home beta too, it's quite cool. Have you played the bowling yet? I even played the demo of Echochrome in the bowling alley too.

I can see Home becoming a little bit addictive once it starts expanding, and it can;t be too bad as even my girlfriend wanted me to set her up a charcter to play on it!

Baj
04-12-2008, 03:29 PM
how can i get on the home beta?

Barfy
05-12-2008, 08:38 AM
how can i get on the home beta?

I got an invite from PSN with a code to download the software. I know a couple of other people who have had the same, and the only thing we had in common was that we'd all bought stuff from the online store. I don't know if that is the criteria, or whether they are just rolling it out gradually to all users.

Danny
05-12-2008, 01:15 PM
I got an invite from PSN with a code to download the software. I know a couple of other people who have had the same, and the only thing we had in common was that we'd all bought stuff from the online store. I don't know if that is the criteria, or whether they are just rolling it out gradually to all users.

In he states you got it if you downloaded the 'Home' theme. I haven't tried it here, but I have bought stuff from the store and haven't yet got an invite.

Booooo.

Barfy
05-12-2008, 01:24 PM
In he states you got it if you downloaded the 'Home' theme. I haven't tried it here, but I have bought stuff from the store and haven't yet got an invite.

Booooo.

The only theme I downloaded was one from Pain, but I have bought a number of games (Pain, Warhawk and a couple of PS1 'classics') from the store. Just make sure PSN emails don't go in your trash folder!

pittdogg
05-12-2008, 11:34 PM
how can i get on the home beta?

ad me baj i might be abel to get you in

St Marco
09-12-2008, 01:27 PM
Not sure if i should of posted this as no doubt it will make me look even more of a Sony hater but today Sony announced 8000 (potentially 16000) people will lose their jobs
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/playstation-division-under-review-as-part-of-corporate-changes

Naturally anyone losing their job is not nice especially when so close to xmas, but firing that many must mean the fact their income dropped by 76% this year and shares fell to a near 20 year low would mean they have no choice. Not a good sign really.

Draino76
09-12-2008, 10:18 PM
Sony is at a 15 year low; Microsoft on a 10 year low. I believe there is a recession on.

Scummer
10-12-2008, 07:57 AM
how can i get on the home beta?

In the Sunday Times this week they reckoned that Home was being launched within the next 10 days (so the next week now).

Barfy
10-12-2008, 09:17 AM
Not sure if i should of posted this as no doubt it will make me look even more of a Sony hater but today Sony announced 8000 (potentially 16000) people will lose their jobs
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/playstation-division-under-review-as-part-of-corporate-changes

Naturally anyone losing their job is not nice especially when so close to xmas, but firing that many must mean the fact their income dropped by 76% this year and shares fell to a near 20 year low would mean they have no choice. Not a good sign really.

At least that article provided a link to some useul information:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/home-to-go-live-worldwide-tomorrow

Home goes live tomorrow.

EDIT: I just read another article on that site, and apparently 8000 (although a lot of jobs) is only 5% of the Sony workforce... and they are to be phased out over the next 2 years:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-to-axe-8000-jobs

Very bad news for those affected, but hardly indicates an imminent meltdown in Sony's operations!

Bentley
10-12-2008, 10:12 AM
Home is released tomorrow?

Nice.

fish fingers
10-12-2008, 10:41 AM
I have a Megadrive, i am thinking of upfrading this year. What would you suggest?

Barfy
10-12-2008, 10:46 AM
I have a Megadrive, i am thinking of upfrading this year. What would you suggest?

I'd go for a SNES myself. Fifa '94 and Sensible Soccer are awesome.

Bentley
10-12-2008, 10:52 AM
I have a Megadrive, i am thinking of upfrading this year. What would you suggest?

Dreamcast.

adriansfc
10-12-2008, 11:45 AM
My argument isn't as clever. I bought the PS3 because I'm too used to the Sony controllers to change at my age :-(

Still, it's pretty good and no problems so far. Always good blu ray offers at thehut.com and prices coming down for those and games it seems. I tend to think the PS3 does have more capabilities than the Xbox but they haven't been fully utilised yet. But maybe that's just crap. I only really play 2 or 3 games on there anyway.

St Marco
10-12-2008, 11:53 AM
At least that article provided a link to some useul information:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/home-to-go-live-worldwide-tomorrow

Home goes live tomorrow.

EDIT: I just read another article on that site, and apparently 8000 (although a lot of jobs) is only 5% of the Sony workforce... and they are to be phased out over the next 2 years:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-to-axe-8000-jobs

Very bad news for those affected, but hardly indicates an imminent meltdown in Sony's operations!

16000 jobs are to go. Sony have a total 180000 workforce. Losing 5% of your workforce is not good, it is not common especially in electronics. If you read the analysts notes in that link your see he says that won't be anywhere near enough. Shares are at an all time low and on 11th of December Sony will be announcing that ALL Sony gaming division products (PS3/PSP/PS2) are all down by around 30% on the same period for last year despite the PS3 seeing a price cut for that period and having it's strongest games line up. Right now it has lost $3BILLION in 3 years on the PS3, losing a further $1Billion already in the past quarter. Now the problem is Sony only makes $500m-$900m a year profits. As you can see that would mean the entire Sony company will have lost over 3 years profits trying to keep the PS3 afloat. The company is run by shareholders who all want their money so naturally as i predicted Sony will have to scale back their gaming division and in their own words "Withdraw from non-profit making business'", their gaming division is not a profit making business.
So yes Sony are in meltdown and have been since the end of 2004. Soon as they announce those figures on 11th of December expect their shares to fall into the abyss.
They started to make these cut backs last year such as selling off the Cell of the PS3 to Toshiba. That's right, your PS3 is actually made now by Toshiba (the guys who made HD-Dvd). They then sold off many of their factories that make the products especially the PS3, and it looks like they are having to shut more of them down. So that means lower numbers of the consoles will be made thus reducing the costs for the company. But the worst part is games will start being cancelled which we have already seen with the cancellation in the past few months of The Getaway and Eight Days plus others i doubt you have heard of.

So it is not the end of Sony, far from it. But they have bled money for too long and now it has caught up with them. The harsh part is that all these people have been told they need to look for new jobs now, not in 2010. That is when their contracts expire, they will be given redundency pay. But that is the global situation at the moment, im sure each of us knows someone who has lost their job recently. It puts things into perspective.

Barfy
10-12-2008, 12:51 PM
16000 jobs are to go. Sony have a total 180000 workforce. Losing 5% of your workforce is not good, it is not common especially in electronics not good, but not uncommon during times of recession. Restructuring is necessary when things haven't been going well in any industry, surely?. If you read the analysts notes in that link your see he says that won't be anywhere near enough probably not, 20% worldwide wouldn't be unrealistic. Shares are at an all time low no-one is flourishing at the moment; recession and on 11th of December Sony will be announcing that ALL Sony gaming division products (PS3/PSP/PS2) are all down by around 30% on the same period for last year despite the PS3 seeing a price cut for that period and having it's strongest games line up I don't know about you, but I like a lot of people around the world have had to tighten up on spending, entertainment is always likely to be the first to go. Right now it has lost $3BILLION in 3 years on the PS3, losing a further $1Billion already in the past quarter. Now the problem is Sony only makes $500m-$900m a year profits. As you can see that would mean the entire Sony company will have lost over 3 years profits trying to keep the PS3 afloat. The company is run by shareholders who all want their money so naturally as i predicted Sony will have to scale back their gaming division and in their own words "Withdraw from non-profit making business'", their gaming division is not a profit making business so are they going to stop producing the PS3? and development of future incarnations of the playstation?.
So yes Sony are in meltdown and have been since the end of 2004. Soon as they announce those figures on 11th of December expect their shares to fall into the abyss as they do in all knee-jerk reactions, but Sony as an entity is big enough to weather the storm.
They started to make these cut backs last year such as selling off the Cell of the PS3 to Toshiba outsourcing is not uncommon. That's right, your PS3 is actually made now by Toshiba (the guys who made HD-Dvd). They then sold off many of their factories that make the products especially the PS3 outsourcing, and it looks like they are having to shut more of them down. So that means lower numbers of the consoles will be made thus reducing the costs for the company outsourcing doesn't necessarily mean reduced production, it's a common method of reducing costs. But the worst part is games will start being cancelled which we have already seen with the cancellation in the past few months of The Getaway never heard of itand Eight Days ditto plus others i doubt you have heard of nope.

So it is not the end of Sony, far from it. But they have bled money for too long and now it has caught up with them. The harsh part is that all these people have been told they need to look for new jobs now, not in 2010. That is when their contracts expire, they will be given redundency pay. But that is the global situation at the moment, im sure each of us knows someone who has lost their job recently. It puts things into perspective.it does and I'm sure Microsoft will have to cut back in some areas as well, though maybe not as drastically

I've no idea why you dislike the ps3 so much, but I'm sure Bill Gates would be pleased with your fanatical devotion to making Sony look like a two bit newcomer to the electronics and entertainment industry.

Danny
10-12-2008, 02:48 PM
So, anyways, Home.

Should be good, eh?

Barfy
10-12-2008, 03:47 PM
So, anyways, Home.

Should be good, eh?

:D certainly is, even the mrs enjoys it, but then again we did manage to get her avatar looking pretty much spot on (mine is two leather elbow patches away from being a librarian). Hopefully after tomorrow there'll also be something more to do than ten pin bowling and dancing to the wipeout HD trailer...

Thedelldays
10-12-2008, 03:52 PM
i have a ps3...what is this thing...how do you install is and use it etc..

cheers

Barfy
10-12-2008, 04:26 PM
i have a ps3...what is this thing...how do you install is and use it etc..

cheers

Home is the ps3 virtual world thing, a bit like second life I guess. You can make private phone calls to other home users, there's the usual text chat so you can harass random people, there's games (ten pin bowling, pool, ps3 demos etc). There's also a (currently empty) shopping centre, and movie theatre which you can watch film trailers etc.

Until tomorrow you need to have received an invite from Sony to be able to download it, but after that you should be able to download the software from the playstation store.

Once it all goes fully live, I guess the content will increase as Sony and third parties start adding to it. Some of it will be free, some will cost, but most of the basic stuff is/will be free.

It all looks very slick, good graphics, simple to control and move around. It definitely helps to have a fast internet connection though. Some of the content requires a fair bit of downloading.

If I can work out how to take a snapshot, I'll do so later and post it.

St Marco
10-12-2008, 04:32 PM
I've no idea why you dislike the ps3 so much, but I'm sure Bill Gates would be pleased with your fanatical devotion to making Sony look like a two bit newcomer to the electronics and entertainment industry.

Sorry and i mean no offence but you seem to lack any clue of how the economy works especially for a electronics company.
Firstly you do realise that even in the recession the computer industry is/has not been effected? In fact they are selling and making more money then they ever have. Last friday the busiest day of the year sold nearly 25% more then last year. If it was caught up in the recesion it would of dropped not had it's biggest increase EVER. So have a read o this, it is an interesting piece about why the industry is recession proof
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10107412-52.html

Secondly your a prime example of someone who ignores the facts and then goes on the defensive, looking for reasons as to why "it is all ok!". Such optimism is to be applauded but from a business sense is very deluded. Shareholders don't seem to share your support, maybe you should post them your comments so they understand a bit better?
Let me give you some cold hard facts which as much as you try are un-spinable. This year Sony saw profits FALL by 76%. They have dropped to the 445th biggest company from 82nd last year. They made $900M profit last year of which has dropped 76% this year meaning they are at about $150M profit for the year of 2008. When the figures come out Sony will drop out of the top 1000 main companies on the stock exchange. In contrast Nintendo has seen sales increase by nearly 400%. They have made from the last quarter alone $400m. They will jump up from 400th to around 200th. Microsoft on the other hand are a complete different fish all together. They post $8BILLION PROFITS every year and are the 8th richest company in the world. Their shares as are Nintendo's going up and up and are posting the biggest sales/profits of the two companies histories. The complete opposite to Sony.

However we have been here before, this is nothing new at all. In fact one of the people i work with wrote a piece awhile ago about the fall from grace of Sega. The patterns are the same. Sega once owned the electronics business. Until they couldn't replicate the success of the Genesis era. That put their company on the line by investing in projects such as The Dreamcast/Saturn etc. and it bombed. It does not take a genius to work out if your outgoings are higher then your incomings you will be losing money. And the longer you are losing money the less you can succesfuly operate. And Sega rather then continue to lose more money pulled the plug on it's console buisness and concentrated on publishing games.
The same thing happened with Nintendo. So you may not like it, might not agree with it, can call me the biggest Sony hater in the world, that will not change the fact Sony has a rip in it's side the same size as the rip that sunk the Titanic. They are now changing their company to help protect it from losing the sheer amount it is losing. If the PS3 in particular remains to be outsold 800k a week by the Wii and 400k a week by the 360 it will be just a matter of time before those numbers catch up to it.

pittdogg
10-12-2008, 05:08 PM
I've no idea why you dislike the ps3 so much, but I'm sure Bill Gates would be pleased with your fanatical devotion to making Sony look like a two bit newcomer to the electronics and entertainment industry.
well said barfy.
what exactly is your job st marco ?

St Marco
10-12-2008, 06:37 PM
well said barfy.
what exactly is your job st marco ?

media/business analyst for Flea (Fairbrother Lenz Eley) media, basically i get paid to give people advice on companies.

Draino76
11-12-2008, 09:40 AM
Microsoft on the other hand are a complete different fish all together. Their shares as are Nintendo's going up and up and are posting the biggest sales/profits of the two companies histories.


http://bigcharts.marke****ch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=msft&sid=0&o_symb=msft&freq=2&time=13

Hardly skyrocketing is it?

Draino76
11-12-2008, 09:43 AM
Replace the stars with t w a t lol

Barfy
11-12-2008, 11:08 AM
St Marco,

You are probably right, I am probably relatively clueless as to the minutiae of the global economy, and I certainly have no interest in wading through reams of data and reports that would support my case.

I thoroughly admire your optimism that the electronics and games industry will be able to weather the storm of the current global economic crisis that seems to be reaching every other part of the economy (I never got the hang of optimism). I just hope that whichever clients you are advising don't suddenly find themselves in the middle of the next burst bubble.

And once again I admire your devotion to the Microsoft corporation, it is truly admirable.

To rebut one point you made in your essay though. I am not "on the defensive". My comments in my last reply to you were merely my (maybe naive) views on what Sony is currently doing.

I happen to think that the PS3, as a piece of hardware truly, p*sses on the x-box in everything from aesthetics to potential performance, but Sony appear to have suffered on two major fronts. Firstly by trying to genuinely produce a next gen console (rather than the halfway house of the 360), and thus having to release it a year after the 360 & Wii.

Now if Sony can't ride this one out and they drop the PS3 (and assuming no-one else picks it up), then I'm sure all us Sony fanboys (and girls) will come crawling back to Microsoft with our tails between our legs, and you will be truly vindicated.

Now, I'm off to play CoD 5, and maybe see if there's any new content for Home.

Thedelldays
11-12-2008, 11:25 AM
im not clued up on gaming consoles at all...but I do know that I have just sold my 360 to get a PS3...i prefer a PS3 for the very reason that it is a media centre....i can download stuff on my laptop, put it on my memorystick and play it straight on my ps3...i just charge up the controller by plugging it in...and have free internet gaming so to speak....also, it has a blu ray player...

again, im no expert and could not care less if i can buy add ons to an xbox...i, like so many others just dont care and a PS3 is an all-in-one machine.....

i know if it came down to just gaming then there is nothing between them to someone like me...but with a PS3...it is more than that...

for that reason, i just cant see them dissaprearing or anything close like that....

again, im no expert then again, hardly anyone is...

Baj
11-12-2008, 11:35 AM
im not clued up on gaming consoles at all...but I do know that I have just sold my 360 to get a PS3...i prefer a PS3 for the very reason that it is a media centre....i can download stuff on my laptop, put it on my memorystick and play it straight on my ps3...i just charge up the controller by plugging it in...and have free internet gaming so to speak....also, it has a blu ray player...

again, im no expert and could not care less if i can buy add ons to an xbox...i, like so many others just dont care and a PS3 is an all-in-one machine.....

i know if it came down to just gaming then there is nothing between them to someone like me...but with a PS3...it is more than that...

for that reason, i just cant see them dissaprearing or anything close like that....

again, im no expert then again, hardly anyone is...

Before anyone else points it out:
"i prefer a PS3 for the very reason that it is a media centre" - 360 can do everything the PS3 can in this respect.

"i can download stuff on my laptop, put it on my memorystick and play it straight on my ps3" - Same, in fact the Xbox360 supports more video codecs.

"i just charge up the controller by plugging it in" - Same, but you have to buy the cable of course.

And before you ask, yes I have both consoles.

Thedelldays
11-12-2008, 11:42 AM
Before anyone else points it out:
"i prefer a PS3 for the very reason that it is a media centre" - 360 can do everything the PS3 can in this respect.

"i can download stuff on my laptop, put it on my memorystick and play it straight on my ps3" - Same, in fact the Xbox360 supports more video codecs.

"i just charge up the controller by plugging it in" - Same, but you have to buy the cable of course.

And before you ask, yes I have both consoles.


did not know that...was not even aware that my old 360 had a USB port....then again, like i said, im just a gaming whore you likes pretty things....lol

Baj
11-12-2008, 11:50 AM
did not know that...was not even aware that my old 360 had a USB port....then again, like i said, im just a gaming whore you likes pretty things....lol

:) no worries. its on the right hand side of the front panel.
(ps. i prefer my ps3 too :p)

Thedelldays
12-12-2008, 04:05 PM
another stupid question

can a PS3 use the internet via a wireless router..is it easy to do as virgin megia have offered to me to upgrade to 10mb broadband from 2mb for an extra 5 a month with a wireless router for 5 one off payment...

so gone with it..

pittdogg
12-12-2008, 06:31 PM
another stupid question

can a PS3 use the internet via a wireless router..is it easy to do as virgin megia have offered to me to upgrade to 10mb broadband from 2mb for an extra 5 a month with a wireless router for 5 one off payment...

so gone with it..

yes mate

St Marco
12-12-2008, 06:56 PM
CNN really went to town on the PS3. They should come read this forum because generally it is quite positive stuff!

"Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet"

Sony's (SNE) PS3 is dying on the shelves.

Alone among the three major videogame consoles, sales of the PS3 are down about 19% from November 2007, according to the latest stats from the NPD Group. Sony was only able to sell 378,000 PS3s this November, compared to 466,000 last year.

And the problem for Sony isn't the recession, it's the PS3. Microsoft (MSFT) put up respectable numbers with its Xbox 360, selling 836,000 units vs 777,000 in November 2007. And Nintendo's (NTDOY) Wii continues to dominate the market, more than doubling sales from 981,000 to 2.04 million.

So why is the PS3 flopping so badly?

It's the most expensive console on the market, $150 - $200 more than its rivals. Even if you believe the video game industry is "recession-proof" (it isn't), a tanking economy makes consumers more price-conscious.

The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs. The differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than 50".

The PS3 just doesn't have any must-have titles exclusive to the console. "LittleBigPlanet" has generated decent buzz but isn't a game-changer, and neither is Sony's new virtual world "Home."
There's really only one option left for Sony to remain in the game: deep price cuts, and not just for people with good credit. Tell yourself the PS3 has superior graphics if it makes you feel better, but a $400 console with a mediocre game library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in this economy.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2008_12_sonys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne .html

That guy must be a complete raging fanboy! :)

Thedelldays
12-12-2008, 07:58 PM
stmarco

you seem intent on pointing out every thing wrong with a ps3...

why is that?

St Marco
12-12-2008, 08:11 PM
stmarco

you seem intent on pointing out every thing wrong with a ps3...

why is that?

No i was actually pointing out that the news post has to be the most biased reporting ever. The guy truely must be the biggest fanboy!
So i was trying to be funny not slag the PS3 off.

But that is honestly it for me talking about the 360 and PS3. I have nothing against the console other then the points i mentioned earlier (price points etc..).
This is a games forum and should be talking just about the games. So i will stop being my irritating self and harping on and on about it :)

hypochondriac
12-12-2008, 09:06 PM
No i was actually pointing out that the news post has to be the most biased reporting ever. The guy truely must be the biggest fanboy!
So i was trying to be funny not slag the PS3 off.

But that is honestly it for me talking about the 360 and PS3. I have nothing against the console other then the points i mentioned earlier (price points etc..).
This is a games forum and should be talking just about the games. So i will stop being my irritating self and harping on and on about it :)

Marco you are so very very wrong. Cabbage was correct in the other topic with his shrewd points concerning the PS3 and Sony. Sony is not a loser company like you suggest. Go back to microsoftforums.com.

St Marco
12-12-2008, 09:46 PM
Marco you are so very very wrong. Cabbage was correct in the other topic with his shrewd points concerning the PS3 and Sony. Sony is not a loser company like you suggest. Go back to microsoftforums.com.

haha that is so bad i just don't know where to begin! How i suggest? That is the facts hypochondriac, if it upsets you go talk to Sony, losing $3Billion in 2 years does not make you a "winning company". But as i said before im serious i wont talk about either again as there is nothing else to say. Stats/facts and figures plus all of the tinternet show what i said/say is right. You may not like them, you may not agree with them, hell you can hate me all you want, call me all the names you want, but it won't change the fact what i've said is the facts and is the general opinion of the gaming/business/electronic/people etc.. community. If you want to believe what Cabbage says then again you believe that. All that means is in a year or two when it is all said and done your look just as retarded as he does. Which you already do. So i'll go back to www.microsoft.com as you said and you can go back to www.ihaveamentalageoftwo.com. That is if your mammy lets you up past 10?

hypochondriac
12-12-2008, 10:04 PM
haha that is so bad i just don't know where to begin! How i suggest? That is the facts hypochondriac, if it upsets you go talk to Sony, losing $3Billion in 2 years does not make you a "winning company". But as i said before im serious i wont talk about either again as there is nothing else to say. Stats/facts and figures plus all of the tinternet show what i said/say is right. You may not like them, you may not agree with them, hell you can hate me all you want, call me all the names you want, but it won't change the fact what i've said is the facts and is the general opinion of the gaming/business/electronic/people etc.. community. If you want to believe what Cabbage says then again you believe that. All that means is in a year or two when it is all said and done your look just as retarded as he does. Which you already do. So i'll go back to www.microsoft.com (http://www.microsoft.com) as you said and you can go back to www.ihaveamentalageoftwo.com (http://www.ihaveamentalageoftwo.com). That is if your mammy lets you up past 10?

I see you are resorting to insults as you have clearly lost the argument. Cabbage knows more than you and has shown you up to be a fraud. I don't need an external link with "facts" to tell me that.

St Marco
12-12-2008, 10:21 PM
I see you are resorting to insults as you have clearly lost the argument. Cabbage knows more than you and has shown you up to be a fraud. I don't need an external link with "facts" to tell me that.

Sorry but you really must be taking the **** or something. How can being told/shown OFFICIAL NUMBERS/SALES TRENDS/COMPANY REPORTS etc.. etc... be wrong exactly? They are the correct pieces of information. Again im not quite sure you understand what it is your actually agreeing too. What i have said is what is actually happening/happened hypochondriac. The fact you don't believe them and believe anything other then them is just pure baffling. It is like say Saints win tommorow at Burnley. Say we win 1-0. It is the equivelent of me saying "we won 1-0" and you saying "no we didn't". The media watching the game recorded the entire 90mins and showed one goal, a goal to Saints. It is like saying "they are wrong". Which is just plain stupid and that is what your basically saying.
Again i will not talk about any of the consoles except for games from now on. I said at the start of the year to people don't buy a PS3 as Sony is in trouble money wise and chances are high they could go under. At the end of the year they are selling less and less consoles, sacking people,cancelling games,selling parts of the console to rival companies and shutting down the factories that make them and selling them etc.. Those things make what i said/predicted more acurate.
Again you might not like it but that is what is happening/happened. I maintain my prediction that things will get a lot worse. Why? Because it is a simple case of outgoings versus ingoings. If your outgoings are higher then your ingoings = trouble. Add to that a new financial climate where banks won't lend you money = trouble. It does not take a genius to see that...

But thats it, im done with it as i said :)

hypochondriac
12-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Sorry but you really must be taking the **** or something. How can being told/shown OFFICIAL NUMBERS/SALES TRENDS/COMPANY REPORTS etc.. etc... be wrong exactly? They are the correct pieces of information. Again im not quite sure you understand what it is your actually agreeing too. What i have said is what is actually happening/happened hypochondriac. The fact you don't believe them and believe anything other then them is just pure baffling. It is like say Saints win tommorow at Burnley. Say we win 1-0. It is the equivelent of me saying "we won 1-0" and you saying "no we didn't". The media watching the game recorded the entire 90mins and showed one goal, a goal to Saints. It is like saying "they are wrong". Which is just plain stupid and that is what your basically saying.
Again i will not talk about any of the consoles except for games from now on. I said at the start of the year to people don't buy a PS3 as Sony is in trouble money wise and chances are high they could go under. At the end of the year they are selling less and less consoles, sacking people,cancelling games,selling parts of the console to rival companies and shutting down the factories that make them and selling them etc.. Those things make what i said/predicted more acurate.
Again you might not like it but that is what is happening/happened. I maintain my prediction that things will get a lot worse. Why? Because it is a simple case of outgoings versus ingoings. If your outgoings are higher then your ingoings = trouble. Add to that a new financial climate where banks won't lend you money = trouble. It does not take a genius to see that...

But thats it, im done with it as i said :)

I think it is obvious to everyone who has won this particular disagreement.

St Marco
13-12-2008, 01:04 AM
I think it is obvious to everyone who has won this particular disagreement.

well thats good for everyone then isn't it. Me personally i couldn't give a **** :)

Baj
13-12-2008, 08:47 AM
well thats good for everyone then isn't it. Me personally i couldn't give a **** :)

Writing essays in replies sorta constitutes "giving a ****" i think

pittdogg
13-12-2008, 09:15 AM
well thats good for everyone then isn't it. Me personally i couldn't give a **** :)

i am actually quite shocked at how short that post is. thought you only wrote in paragraphs:D na seriously st marco my only problem is that you only report on negative sony news. and thats why you come across as a fan boy. you read something bad about sony or ps3. never do you report on negative microsoft news. that is what a lot of people are trying to say. i mean im sure theres at least one bad thing about the xbox you could have wrote about. fact is i dont care wether my ps3 is made by sony, microsoft or asda i brought it when i had the money to. i could have brought an xbox or a ps3. but i chose the ps3 because i preferred it. and by the way sony is a massive company and i think the computer part only makes up a small percentage of sony. and were are in a recession. and some company's have been hit and others haven't. e.g. woolworths have argos hasn't etc