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  1. 1. I wouldn't be too sure about your players "affordable" wages FC. The stories going around from people at your own club is that you've got several of them on around £25K a week and Sharp was reported to hjave signed for at least £20K a week. 2. Still trotting out lies about Pompey's debt being all down to money spent on players and wages when it keeps being pointed out to you that huge chunkls of that debt were actually loaded onto the club by previous owners (£32m was what Fahim agreed to pay for the land around the ground to Gaydamak then loaded the debt onto the club, Chainrai's £17m "debenture" for money that was allegedly loaned to al Faraj, £5m to Fahim and on and on). Then, in your next breath you acknowledge that our owners have saddled us with debt and also agree that it could happen to you. Make your mind up fella Bit disingenuous there Granty. What you say is right but if you're saying that their transfer fees paid their wages that means we had an additional £50m a year from SKY freed up to pay other fees and wages. When you think that we made huge profits on what we paid for not just Johnson but Defoe, Diarra, Muntari, Distin and others somethingh doesn't add up. Interesting distinction Johnnykins. So "Pompey" didn't pay creditors because the parachute payments we were entitled to anyway were used to do it but "Southampton Football Club" did because Liebherr decided to do so. That was down to your good fortune in Liebherr buying you surely? If Pinnacle or some other chancers had bought you the creditors would very likely have had to make do with Xp in the £. The club had nothing to do with it. Nice post. Is that you David? How's the house sales in Thailand going? Ironic you should post this one really, given that you were on here a couple of weeks ago boasting about how you were "trolling up a storm" on POL. Been back recently? In fact, the idiot's post above has made me think about why I post on here anymore. For those of you that didn't see the original, the freak had obviously googled my name and seen a birthday message in the local paper (thankfully it was someone else with the same name and not me) but the original post included this poor guy's wife and kids names. What kind of sick **** posts that on a football messageboard (and well done Granty or whatever mods changed it). It used to be a good laugh posting on here, the banter was really good. But over the past few seasons it's become nastier and nastier. Whatever I post, no-one seems to read the actual content of it (just look at the posts the other day when I pointed out we weren't £180m in debt and that huge chunks of it were down to previous owners saddling the club with their own debts) only to be told my post was moronic. So let's call it a day, shall we. For those of you registered on POL that PM me keep stopping by and saying hello and any others, do the same. As I've said before, you're top of the league on merit and whilst I hope you don't go up, if you do it will be because you've earnt it. I think the fact that none of you have EVER said that about any of Pompey's achievements since I first posted on here tels its own story
  2. Oh Johnnykins, I was having some pasta for lunch but I'll put the pesto aside to answer you. What the **** does it matter? Parachute payments are paid to all relegated clubs so if that's how the football creditors were paid, so what? That's still £20m+ of the CVA that has been paid despite ridiculous comments from your fans saying "not a penny's been paid". As for "ill gotten" - what a crock of ****. Pompey were promoted to the PL on the back of investment from a wealthy owner (Mandaric) just like you were promoted from L1 with backing from Liebherr. Where's the difference and therefore why ill gotten? No it's not. He still double counted Chainrai's money. And it still ignores the other point about how much of the "debt" is not money that was racked up by tranfers and wages but questionable debts loaded onto the club by previous owners But the parts you guys always convniently leave out from the £120m is how much of it is not football related. You keep posting that it was funded by Arkadi yet once Gaydamak pulled away it transpired that it was money loaned from banks and we had to repay £35-£40m. part of the £120m you've loving quoted was the £30m that al Fahim agreed to pay gaydamak for the land around the ground - way above the market value and another debt loaded onto the club (much like the £5m Fahim "loaned" the club to buy itself or the £1.5m owed to al Faraj). Or the £17m "charge" Chainrai has on the ground. None of this is debt the club ahs run up - as you are posting on here. Not to mention the money that was siphoned out of the club by Chainrai and Azougy as confirmed in the piece from The Telegraph linked in Mike Hall's article that someone's posted a link to on here today. If you guys could actually admit to any of this I might have some respect for you but it's all swept aside in your rush to demonise us. As for your comments about Liebherr and not being a million miles from breaking even, if I don't know how do you? We've both had the same set of acounts to look at. the fact is your wage bill in your first year in L1 was £12m+ and that can only have increased (and pobably by a significant sum) you lost £9m (including the whole holding company) that year and had at least £7m to pay to creditors last year. You made a loss to gain pomotion - is that cheating? I se no difference between that and what you accuse us of doing to win the cup
  3. FAF. So you've added £50m current debts onto the original debt figure without realising(although Granty got halfway there) that most of that is debt from the original £120m (£16m for the CVA, Chainrai's mystical £17m). Then of course there's the fact that nearly £60m of the original £120m is "debt" that we supposedly owed to previous owners who loaded it onto the club (e.g the £5m fahim is somehow owed plus £1.5m to al Faraj FFS). If we'd run up debts of £180m on signing players and paying wages then I'd say fair enough and agreed with you. But it's simply wrong. Like the comment abou not paying a penny towards the CVA when we've actually paid £20m+ to the football creditors - and before anyone says anything, they're secured so have o be paid first. It's one thing if you slag us off and you're right but it's ******** like this along with the self reverential back slapping after it that makes me laugh so much FC, where does the £38m debt in the first PL year com from - do you have a link? There's a constant claim on here that mandaric gambled on promotion but of course we did dsell Crouch for around £6m and that money was largely used for our promo push. Again, talking about what we spent on players and wages in the PL before winning the cup (and I'll say again, our wages to turnovr ratio the year we won it were less than yours in your first year in L1 and on a par with most other mid table PL clubs of the time - as were our debts it has to be said). Regarding failing to service the debt, administration in both instances was triggered by external events out of the clubs control. And if you talk about spending beyond your means to gain pomotion I can't see why you're not looking at your own club more. Losses of £9m in your first year in L1, wages to turnover ratio of 86% and hard to see how that wage bill hasn't gone up considerably. Yes, I know, Liebherr's, honourable blah blah blah but the same holds true in that if they'd stopped funding you before now you'd be in trouble. It just smacks of ridiculous double standards
  4. # Think you'll find it wa Plymouth fans who started the idea for this one for us. As for "run up debts of £180m in four years" could you explain how? Or have you just taken the FFP article at face value and not bothered to actually do any sums around it? Saints Web poster in reading something with no basis and repeating it ad nauseum on here until the other posters accept it's an actual fact shock
  5. The obsession with POL banning you lot is stupid. Bill (his name's not Scot you muppets) only used to ban scummers who posted the usual "you skates are ****s" type thread. TBF, your main board does the same so it's not exactly a radical policy. There was a banter forum for you guys to use for a while but all that happened was it got (presumably 14 YO Saints fans) posting u skates r thick posts. You just seem to b getting a bit obsessed with the whole thing and more and more of you ar trying to register and post on there which gets stupid. the guy spends his own time running the site and it's a good forum so i cn understand him banning people who only cause him aggro. There are plenty of saints fans who are members who don't get banned, quite a few who PM me fairly regularly on there so it's not a blanket ban. Plenty on here do and as I said above, quite a few PM me regularly. If you're a member why not do the same? 1. So you think no tickets will be sol between now and Saturday and we'll only have 11K there. Interesting concept. 2. How can Pompey fans stand by and not go? Same reason so many Saints fans didn't go the reason you were releagated I assume. let's not forget your average that season was about 2K more than we're getting this year. [TABLE=class: cms_table] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #0000ff, colspan: 2]Portsmouth[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Loss[/TD] [TD=colspan: 2]Ave crowd[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Loss over 8 years[/TD] [TD]£180,000,000[/TD] [TD]18,000[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Average no. Home games per season[/TD] [TD]21[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Loss per game[/TD] [TD]£1,071,428[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Subsidy for each ticket[/TD] [TD]£60[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Subsidy for season for 1 supporter[/TD] [TD]£1,250[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] As for these figures above, do they include TV money because I don't believe we lost an average of £22m a year over the past 8 years.
  6. I thought the term "indicative bid" was generally used as part of an auction process to assess which bid was the strongest? Or was the term just used to indicate that someone was going to make a bid?
  7. If it's an indicative offer wouldn't that suggest that more than one party/ group are interested?
  8. I wasn't "desperate" to get full member status and Colin JB your memories failed you/ you're making things up. If I was desperate to get full member status I'd have sent another fiver. I sent a fiver in an envelope with a post it note attached saying it was from me for membership - largely because posters on here were complaining/ accusing me of not responsing to posts. Presumably it got lost somewhere in the post (or a pikey southampton postman realised there was cash inside and nicked it). As for you Colin, you were on POL the other night being all smarmy and giving it the "I come in peace" line so a bit rich for you to be having a pop at me for posting on here.
  9. Don't you all get tired of being righteously indignant about EVERY little piece of Pompey news? Sitting on your laptops until midnight pontificating about this, theorising about that, analysing to death yet another non - story about a club you tell me you don't care about. I know the picture below must be of one of you - I'm guessing Nick Nack pounding away at his keyboard with another missive about the tentacles of corruption reaching across the football world and people being too scared to expose us. You're top of the league and look like getting promotion, but many of you are posting more about Pompey than your own club. Jeez, that's so ****ed up
  10. Failed to answer why I think Chainrai is a scumbag - that really is a genuine PMSL moment. 27/10/2010 (post 34,942): Saints fans have condemned Pompey fans for laying even part of the blame for our predicament but it's hard not to look at the way Chainrai’s taken over the club and not view it as a scam from start to finish. When Faraj initially tried to buy the club before Fahim the PL were informed that Chainrai was a backer, despite his statement that he'd had no involvement before his mystery loan last October. Chainrai’s plan is to strip the club of whatever he can 27/10/2010 (post 34,949): We owe Chainrai £16m for a loan that one of his companies (Portpin) lent another of his companies (Falcondrone). Andronikou let slip in court that both companies are his. That money never reached the club but was funneled straight back to the BVI. So when Faraj "defaulted" on the "loan" Chainrai got the club. So if he's got the club why should we still owe him the £16m? 19/11/2010 (post 35,384): The whole thing was a con to allow Chainrai and Kushnir to take over with no outlay. The non-payment of the HMRC would therefore seem to have been deliberately orchestrated to push us into admin and allow their takeover with Andronikou's collusion. 23/01/12 (post 48,826): Like Chainrai ever cared anything about the club or did any sort of recruitment drive. We got Kitson and Lawrence because he didn't have to pay for them and didn't care what wages they were on because he wasn't paying. Why would he care? It's like when you lot keep banging on about him "getting his money back" when he never put a penny into PFC in the first place. There’s at least a couple of dozen more examples but I’m assuming you might have got the gist of it by now. Just in case you haven’t, my belief is that Chainrai never did pay a £17m loan to al Faraj. He certainly never paid it to PFC. The money was paid from one BVI based company to another making it impossible to trace. If he has “invested” any money into PFC it was nowhere near £17m and whatever he put in he’s had it back and he’s now trying to squeeze even more out of it. The debenture he claims to hold on the ground should be legally taken away as the charge was applied 3 months after the sale of the club to CSI and no further investment was made that would make such a charge legally binding – even the judge at the recent administration hearing couldn’t understand why Andronikou had granted it. Hope that clears things up
  11. I though that was the motto of this messageboard?
  12. Yes, sorry Dubya but it's very, very busy at the moment getting everything sorted for next Xmas. You know, looking at budgets and that kind of thing. You'd know about that wouldn't you, being the expert on the subject? Remind me, what was CSI's budget again? When was Antonov seen driving that McLaren F1 that he hasn't got in Sandbanks where he doesn't own a house when he'd dropped his interest in Pompey and was going to buy Bournemouth? Jeez, Dubya, I've got to hand it to you, you're one clued up fella. Never been known to get anything wrong have you? Or should that be never known to get anything right?* Talking about Barbie, are you referring to your much younger Polish girlfriend again? Well done for going a whole post without mentioning golf though. Quick question for the experts/ investigative geniuses on here (you can sit this one out then Dubya) - what's going to happen to Pompey? Are we "toast" or will someone buy us? You're the experts so I assume you know the answer. After all, like Dubya, none of you has ever been wrong on the subject so far, have you? *I had to try desperately hard not to type PMSL at this point
  13. ROTFPMSL. And you talk about me missing the point of the thread. Jeeeeeeeesus Nick Nack talk about "still not getting it". Did you not read the Judge's comments in court on Friday? Then you start posting stuff like this. "If it wasn't for Chainrai's money we'd be gone forever". You really, really, realy, really, really don't get what's been going on at Fratton at all do you? Investigative geniuses, all of you. Hopefully us, especially if the Judge's comments about Chainrai's debenture being suspect is proven and we lose £17m of the "debt" that I've been saying to you all along shouldn't have been debt at all. You're a bit of a pest Johnnykins but leaving the pest aside, I shouldn't gloat too much. Things can change awfully quickly in football and whilst things look good for you at the moment they might not be that way forever. Come back on POL posing as a Pompey fan again and give us all a laugh
  14. Glad you're coming around to the idea that the club has suffered at the hands of the chancers who have owned it. It's taken you long enough to agree with what I've been saying but well done for finally coming out in agreement. Ref your line about Portsmouth being one of the most deprived areas in the country, you seem ill informed. According to the lastest government stats Portsmouth is listed as being number 23 on the list of deprived areas, one spot above Southampton. having said that, if you sort the data to show the rank of % of each city's population living in deprived circumstances Southampton is 86th compared to Portsmouth's 93rd. Funny how wrong you constantly are on this board for such self proclaimed geniuses http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/29/indices-multiple-deprivation-poverty-england
  15. I believe Ronaldo's on about a million a week with Real but what does the wages paid by other clubs to their players have to do with Pompey? Unless you're suggesting Pompey paid Campbell £100K a week? But you do only own half of your training gound
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