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  1. I personally subscribe to the belief that an opinion not backed up by facts is interesting but not especially useful. That's why I try to give stats, examples, and comparisons. Makes the posts longer but is worth it for me. I think they spill into other threads as certain posters have a vendetta against me and bring up these talking points wherever they go and I'm bad at not rising to it. I've made a point to try and avoid it in unrelated threads for the benefit of other posters but I'm not going to avoid talking about Broja in a thread titled Armando Broja. Anyone who appreciates stats based analysis of one of our players in the appropriate thread can read it and anyone who doesn't can ignore it, but this is the right place for it.
  2. Ings scored fine with us, Adams is putting up better numbers, players are putting up better numbers in teams as good as us or worse (Cornet, Dennis, Pukki, Toney, Raphinha, Maupay, Watkins, Richarlison, Harrison). "He's playing in a bad team" is not an excuse. Obviously he'd have more chances at Chelsea, but so would all the other players I just listed. Are they all off to a club the size of Chelsea too? Dunno if they'll be room for Broja after that.
  3. You can believe who you want mate but if you think 6 goals in 28 is enough for Chelsea you are living in a dream world. They have 8 players with more goals per minute than him and two are fullbacks.
  4. Oh people were saying it, must be true then. Sure the reigning champions of europe would be stoked to have a striker with 6 goals in 28 games. Maybe judging a player off like 10 games as "Chelsea quality" was a bad move. Who knew.
  5. Livramento has had an exponentially better season, as has Salisu. Both would start for most sides in the league. A 6 goal striker would not.
  6. How is this relevant to Broja? I meant have top strikers who often don't reach 10 goals rather than have no 10 goal strikers. It was a mistake in making a disclaimer so people weren't pedantic, and completely irrelevant to the overall point. I don't need to go to lengths to show 6 goals isn't enough, I'm amazed you think it is.
  7. 11-14 was my original range for a decent premier league forward and what Broja should be aiming for. Doesn't really matter tbh, I only included it so people couldn't be pedantic and say "yeah but what about all the city players who don't hit that range, are they bad too?". You found a way to be pedantic regardless, so well done on that front.
  8. Often, not always. Some players will, other top quality players like Foden, Jesus, Pulisic, Ziyech won't, due to minutes. Last season not a single City forward hit 11 premier league goals due to rotation, with only their midfielder Gundogan making it. So yeah, often, not always.
  9. Depends on system, which is why the term "second striker" is important. For Che, for instance, he is putting up 0.08 expected assists per game (and 0.10 the season before when he had a better forward alongside him). This means if all his team are performing as expected he should be looking at about 3-4 assists over the course of a season, add in 8-10 goals and he is contributing to about 11-14 goals a season which is decent for a club of our level (he hit the top end of this last season with 14 g+a). It's what players like Maupay, Wood, and Wilson average (the former two are more consistent, the latter swings wildly under and over that but averages that near enough). Adams also contributes a lot outside of goals and assists with his hold up play and passing quality. Broja does very very little creatively and is unlikely to contribute significantly to assists (0.01 equates to probably 0 assists a season, maybe 1 if he's lucky). Owing to this again 11-14 goals is a good total, but he has to actually score them unlike Adams who has the assists to add to his game. Honestly 6 is about half what you'd want and is worse than what all three likely relegated sides are working with with Cornet, Pukki, and Dennis all outperforming it. Worth noting, this all depends on minutes. Clubs like city and chelsea will often not have a 10+ goal striker as they don't play the same forward every week, or even most weeks, but Broja has had most of this season so 6 goals is very poor. There will surely be other examples of players who have massively underperformed (Lukaku, Kane in the first half of the season, DCL) but these players all have past seasons to show that they are just having an off year, Broja does not, this is the one that sets the standard until he improves.
  10. So you are saying he got an even better haul the Broja in his first proper season in the prem? Calling Broja our "second" striker is a complete misunderstanding of what second striker actually means. It isn't our striker that scores second most, it is the one that plays the more creative role. Adams has 0.93 chances created per 90 to Brojas 0.74 and 0.28 big chances to Brojas 0.18. He also has 0.08 xA per game to Brojas 0.01. When Adams is over 3 times more likely to get an assist than Broja it is very clear who the second/support striker is. Adams has quite literally always played that role for us. No wonder people don't appreciate the role properly when their understanding of it is just "striker who scores less goals".
  11. And yet Obafemi put up 3 goals and 2 assists in 957 minutes whereas Broja has only managed 6 goals and 0 assists in 1772 minutes. One less goal involvement in almost half the minutes. If Broja is so far ahead of championship level Obafemi why don't the numbers reflect that? It's not like we have a much worse team this season, that year we ended 11th which is likely around where we will be this year.
  12. I'm making arguments, providing statistics to back them up, haven't made any personal attacks or called anyone by any names. What more do you want in the way of "adult/intellectual" threads. I disagree with the consensus, that should be fine, I don't know what about that you see as childish?
  13. Then don't? I try to stick to it when relevant, sometimes I don't admittedly and apologies for that but I won't apologise for discussing Broja in the Broja thread. It's literally the point of it.
  14. Go for it. In the interim, if you aren't interested in discussions about Armando Broja may I suggest visiting a thread with a different title. As re-analysing the player after watching him play is kind of what this ones all about, unless he does something else worthy of note like drunk driving or starting a charity.
  15. The answer to your question is I am rediscussing it in light of new evidence, ie another crap performance. Same reason why people have been saying Redmond is crap for about 5 years rather than mentioning it once in 2017 and never saying it again.
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