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    https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/attachment.php?attachm...

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    The black line is Lander and the orange one is an index of Chinese companies. So Lander is only really returning to the position it...
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    Branfoot was manager for 2.5 years during which...

    Branfoot was manager for 2.5 years during which we finished 16th, 18th and 18th.

    Lowe was chairman for 11 years during which time we made countless poor transfers, made various bizarre decisions,...
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    Corbyn's first @YouGov leadership satisfaction...

    Corbyn's first @YouGov leadership satisfaction rating is -9% (30%/39%). That's 29% worse net than Ed Miliband's first one (43%/23%)

    https://twitter.com/AndrewCooper__/status/645944685735878656
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    Primarily the Mail is very good at light hearted...

    Primarily the Mail is very good at light hearted stuff and women's content. It knows its audience very well, and sits in a mid market not catered for by the Mirror or Guardian.

    It also panders to...
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    But you assume they can accurately filter the...

    But you assume they can accurately filter the incorrect stuff and just believe the correct stuff. It's way more complex than that, and they are bound to end up with some/many false impressions
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    I think there's a pre-existing bias but the Mail...

    I think there's a pre-existing bias but the Mail legitimises and amplifies it
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    You can add my Mum to the list. Even if Mail...

    You can add my Mum to the list.

    Even if Mail readers recognise some of it as untrue, the sheer quantity of bile means that some of it filters through.
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    50 Labour achievements ...

    50 Labour achievements
    http://www.leedsne.co.uk/50_labour_achievements

    Yet the Corbynites think it's better to shout from the margins as the Tories dismantle the welfare state.

    This is...
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    Any economist, right or left, will tell you...

    Any economist, right or left, will tell you that Greece's inability to devalue its currency has massively hurt its economy. The same has been true in Spain, Ireland and Italy. If they could have...
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    (Mostly) happy to be proved wrong but I'll go on...

    (Mostly) happy to be proved wrong but I'll go on record and say I think Corbyn is and will be a disaster. No doubt his supporters will blame "the Blairites", which now appear to include the Guardian...
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    I don't blame people for acting in their own...

    I don't blame people for acting in their own interest (within reason), but if it is creating a problem then that's where the government has to step in. And to be fair the government has reduced the...
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    Yep, landlords can be a nightmare, you are very...

    Yep, landlords can be a nightmare, you are very lucky to own, SO16_Saint
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    And how does selling 5.4% stimulate growth? It's...

    And how does selling 5.4% stimulate growth? It's still majority owned by the state
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    Enjoy the victory!

    Enjoy the victory!
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    Does that include George Osborne?

    Does that include George Osborne?
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    We're never that good at Lords. We'll come back...

    We're never that good at Lords. We'll come back stronger in the next one
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    Really hard to know what to do from here. ...

    Really hard to know what to do from here. Bairstow and Rashid could come in for two of Lyth, Ballance and Bell, but they're not really like for like replacements - we'd lack 'grinders'.

    Best I...
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    Exactly, it's not about being dogmatic "private...

    Exactly, it's not about being dogmatic "private is better", or "public is better", but what's right for the particular industry.
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    This is getting confusing because earlier in this...

    This is getting confusing because earlier in this thread we established that socialism is social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, nothing to do with...
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    Can you give examples? I genuinely don't know...

    Can you give examples? I genuinely don't know what aspects of socialism go against the apparently selfish human condition. As I say, I feel like strong government helps to negate human selfishness
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    Can you explain why, in practice that means we...

    Can you explain why, in practice that means we need conservatism?

    In some ways I agree - I want to make money and lead a comfortable life for myself. But that's exactly why I want a strong...
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    Wouldn't like to be with you on the Titanic. ...

    Wouldn't like to be with you on the Titanic. 'Women and children first? Out of my way!'

    Although humans have obviously done some terrible things to other humans, it is generally to 'others'....
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    Can we acknowledge that there is a middle ground...

    Can we acknowledge that there is a middle ground between socialists wanting to nationalise everything and conservatives who look to help the rich /old at the expense of the poor /young at every turn?...
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    Can't see anything about magic money trees in...

    Can't see anything about magic money trees in your definition of socialism either
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    http://i1.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content...

    http://i1.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/150711budgetimpact.jpg?resize=529%2C339...
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