saints_is_the_south Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 The team obviously needs a compete revamp and a lot of the rubbsih there at the moment given the boot, who would you pick? I'm still debating over what mine would be but I know Joe Hart, Michael Dawson & Adam Johnson would all be given starts. Interested to see what everybody elses would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Joe Hart and Dawson without a doubt. Not Johnson for me. Our midfield is already quality. I'd go - Hart Johnson Dawson Terry Cole Milner Barry Lampard Gerrard Defoe Rooney Rooney needs a bloody great kick up the arse though, otherwise I'd drop him for Crouch. I'd like to see what Bent has to offer too. Instead Capello chooses f*cking Heskey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 ..................................... Hart ........................................... ?? ?? Dawson Cashley Lenonn(Walcott) ?? Huddlestone J Cole Gerrard Rooney BIN: Green/Terry/Upson/G Johnson (single most OVER RATED player in the whole side, terminally gash as an orthodox RB)/Lamps/Heskey/SWP(FFS!)/Carragher/King KEEP IN SQUAD: Barry/Defoe/Crouch ADD TO SQUAD: Scott Parker/Danny Murphy/Zamora/Rodwell/Jenas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Joe Hart and Dawson without a doubt. Not Johnson for me. Our midfield is already quality. I'd go - Hart Johnson Dawson Terry Cole Milner Barry Lampard Gerrard Defoe Rooney Rooney needs a bloody great kick up the arse though, otherwise I'd drop him for Crouch. I'd like to see what Bent has to offer too. Instead Capello chooses f*cking Heskey! What 4 games have you just watched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Joe Hart and Dawson without a doubt. Not Johnson for me. Our midfield is already quality. I'd go - Hart Johnson Dawson Terry Cole Milner Barry Lampard Gerrard Defoe Rooney Rooney needs a bloody great kick up the arse though, otherwise I'd drop him for Crouch. I'd like to see what Bent has to offer too. Instead Capello chooses f*cking Heskey! Thats ONE outfield change from the gash that has just allegedly played for our nation yesterday!!! and you want us to play the same way?? Try: -------------------Hart----------------- Johnson--Jagielka--Ferdinand--A Cole ----------Rodwell---Wilshire----------- --Walcott------Gerrard------ J Cole-- -----------------Rooney---------------- I put Rooney, Gerrard & Ashley Cole in on the basis they need a major kick up the arse - the full back positions are open - is there a better right back out there? There must be, but just can't think of him at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 28 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Ok, mine would be. Hart Richards - Dawson - Ferdinand - A.Cole Milner - Rodwell - Gerrard - Johnson Rooney - Defoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 What 4 games have you just watched? I don't follow the majoritys opinion I'm afraid. I couldn't outline any player who played particularly badly for us - the team just didn't gel and I blame Capello for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 I don't follow the majoritys opinion I'm afraid. I couldn't outline any player who played particularly badly for us - the team just didn't gel and I blame Capello for that. F**king bizarre..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Ok, mine would be. Hart Richards - Dawson - Ferdinand - A.Cole Milner - Rodwell - Gerrard - Johnson Rooney - Defoe Richards isn't a bad shout tbf. Although I again question his defending ability like Johnson - I don't see him as being any worst though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 F**king bizarre..... The same team played so well in all the qualifiers. It can only be management that is letting us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 The same team played so well in all the qualifiers. It can only be management that is letting us down. And of course that changed since the qualifiers, didnt it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Joe Hart and Dawson without a doubt. Not Johnson for me. Our midfield is already quality. I'd go - Hart Johnson Dawson Terry Cole Milner Barry Lampard Gerrard Defoe Rooney Rooney needs a bloody great kick up the arse though, otherwise I'd drop him for Crouch. I'd like to see what Bent has to offer too. Instead Capello chooses f*cking Heskey! In other words you'd pick the same load of incompetent rubbish As 'Sandwichsaint; says , 'What games have you been watching', FFS, ?. Have you no imagination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 And of course that changed since the qualifiers, didnt it ? When a team of quality players can play well in a team for their club under their manager, but cannot play amongst a quality bunch of players for their country under a different manager it is the manager who stands out as being the problem for as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who thinks Heskey is a good footballer is a f*cking muppet. If he makes decisions to bring him on at such crucial times, god knows what stupid decisions he makes on the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 In other words you'd pick the same load of incompetent rubbish As 'Sandwichsaint; says , 'What games have you been watching', FFS, ?. Have you no imagination If you think that we're going to entirely change the squad, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Rooney is the most over-rated international since..can't think of anyone as over-rated! He is a poor international player and we should not build around him. Honestly think we would have done better with Crouch/Defoe for the tournament He misplaced 54% of his passes - this is not about formation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 (edited) Edited 28 June, 2010 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 just said on sky sports that Rooney was caught in possession more times than any other player in the world cup! 4 shots on target over 4 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentley Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 ----------------Hart--------------- G.Johnson----Terry/King/Dawson----Richards----Cole/Gibbs---- ---------------Rodwell---------------- A.Johnson----Wilshire----Milner----Moses ---------------Rooney-------------- Get the youth in there, get the team, bit of experience in the defence. Obviously this team is based on 'potential'. Gibbs might have abit more pace than Cole by this time. Terry, King and Dawson is all depending on who'd be playing well at the time. Have Gerrard, Lallana and Theo on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 just said on sky sports that Rooney was caught in possession more times than any other player in the world cup! 4 shots on target over 4 games He wasn't fit. Not just his ankle, but more so his mental fatigue. I just don't see the same Rooney as the eruros in 2004 though, he was running at players, beating them and leaving them in his wake and scoring some cracking goals. Is this another example of an english player that has peaked way too early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 just said on sky sports that Rooney was caught in possession more times than any other player in the world cup! 4 shots on target over 4 games No player should be an automatic selection, that is where the trouble starts. Lampard, Gerrard, Terry and Rooney all thought they were automatic and did not need to play for their places. Barry also became an automatic selection and his performance slumped. Complacency breeds poor play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 ----------------Hart--------------- G.Johnson----Terry/King/Dawson----Richards----Cole/Gibbs---- ---------------Rodwell---------------- A.Johnson----Wilshire----Milner----Moses ---------------Rooney-------------- Get the youth in there, get the team, bit of experience in the defence. Obviously this team is based on 'potential'. Gibbs might have abit more pace than Cole by this time. Terry, King and Dawson is all depending on who'd be playing well at the time. Have Gerrard, Lallana and Theo on the bench. Personally i'd put Richards at RB, Glen Johnson is not good enough for international football. It's a scary sight though, where the hell is the quality coming through? gone are the days of the Scholes, Nevilles, Beckhams....and now we're having to rely on the likes of bloody Gareth Barry who is just average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 -------------------Hart----------------- Johnson--Jagielka--Ferdinand--A Cole ----------Rodwell---Wilshire----------- --Walcott------Gerrard------ J Cole-- -----------------Rooney---------------- I put Rooney, Gerrard & Ashley Cole in on the basis they need a major kick up the arse - the full back positions are open - is there a better right back out there? There must be, but just can't think of him at the moment. Like where you're going with that. Johnson is the obvious weakness, but who else is there? Micah Richards? Wes Brown? Perhaps one of the younger players with potential will make the grade over the next year. Steven Taylor? Nathanial Clyne? Kyle Walker? Dan Gosling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentley Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Personally i'd put Richards at RB, Glen Johnson is not good enough for international football. It's a scary sight though, where the hell is the quality coming through? gone are the days of the Scholes, Nevilles, Beckhams....and now we're having to rely on the likes of bloody Gareth Barry who is just average. I wouldn't be that worried. The midfield we have coming through is looking pretty good. Wilshire looks like the type of creative player that Ozil is, and he'll do well staying at Arsenal and developing, very much looking forward to seeing him in the future. Moses has shown his potential, and looks set to be a Joe Cole style of player. Adam Johnson is the type of player that England has over looked at times in recent years, we seem to be all about pace (apart from Milner being played right midfield) down the wings, while Johnson is Beckham style of player, takes it slow most of the time, but can drill in a killer cross. I'm most worried about our striking and central defence options out of anything. I'm going with Rooney even though he has been awful this World Cup, as I don't think there is any young strikers that are showing amazing potential. Last great striker England had was Shearer, and I haven't seen anyone like that in a while. I moved Richards to centre-back as I feel his strength would come in handy, like for example, Upson getting out-muscled by Klose yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 (edited) Hart Johnson Dawson Terry Cole Milner Barry Lampard Gerrard Defoe Rooney Sorry, but that's an awful selection. Are you Crappello? Why are you playing 2 tiny players up front? Why have you got central midfielders on the wings? Why have you picked an appauling right back? Where is the pace in defence? This squad would see England drop out of the top 20. FWIW, by 1212 I'd expect something like: --------------Hart Richards - Onuoha - Jagielka - Cole ------Cattermole - Wiltshire Walcott -------Gerrard-------- Johnson ---------------Rooney Bench: Crouch, Defoe Barry, Moses Lescott, Terry Edited 28 June, 2010 by Joensuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 would love to see us line up with the formation the Germans did yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 How about writing off the next Euros and picking a young team for the next world cup. Pick them now - let them get 4 years experience, if they qualify for euros - thats a bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 England Switzerland Bulgaria Wales Montenegro should really qualify from that even with the kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Sorry, but that's an awful selection. Are you Crappello? Why are you playing 2 tiny players up front? Why have you got central midfielders on the wings? Why have you picked an appauling right back? Where is the pace in defence? This squad would see England drop out of the top 20. FWIW, by 1212 I'd expect something like: --------------Hart Richards - Onuoha - Jagielka - Cole ------Cattermole - Wiltshire Walcott -------Gerrard-------- Johnson ---------------Rooney Bench: Crouch, Defoe Barry, Moses Lescott, Terry Lee Cattermole is exactly the sort of player we missed in the world cup. We needed someone who was going to hassle the opposition and win the ball back rather than just standing off and letting teams attack us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 28 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2010 England Switzerland Bulgaria Wales Montenegro should really qualify from that I recall the same being said about our World Cup group, well that we should win it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 England Switzerland Bulgaria Wales Montenegro should really qualify from that even with the kids Really ? Switzerland managed to beat Spain, and I wouldnt put it past the Welsh to throw a spanner in the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 well you would hope we would come top two... Switzerland done well in the other games btw.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 ------------ Hart ------------- ??? Dawson Ferdinand Cole Milner Barry Lampard Johnson Gerrard Rooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 The defence needs a major overhaul. King and ferdinand have long term fitness problems. I really think JT has lost it - he was massively at fault for the first goal yesterday and had a poor end to the season with Chelsea. Johnson is a weak link- he's so attacking that he cramps the space that the right winger has to play in and he's suspect defensively. I'd go for something like Hart Richards - Dawson - Ferdinand (if fit) - Cole Rodwell - Barry A Johnson - Gerrard - J Cole Rooney With the likes of Wishire, Lampard, Defoe, Croush and Walcott on the bench we have a mix of youth and experience throughout the squad while giving the younger members a chance to stake a claim to the first team spots. The one thing that is certain is that we have to have a clearout of the squad to get rid of the 'untouchable' mentality. i think that was the main factor in England simply thinking that they had to turn up to win without realising that they needed to put in a performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Hey trouser mate, I raise guide dogs for the blind and I have never seen that, it's FAF. I use that at my next training meeting. Thanks mate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Hart Johnson - Dawson - Ferdinand - Cashley Milner - Gerrard - Barry - Cole Rooney - Crouch Other players there or there abouts: A. Johnson, Lennon, Theo, Wilshire, Lambert and Lallana ( ) Lampard can f**k off Terry can f**k off Upson can f**k off SWP can shoot Heskey... then f**k off James was alright, but will be 43 come the next WC so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Is this the "usual reaction of English people after England have failed badly in a tournament, and think that we should drop all our best players and bring in anyone younger than 22. Then when they're older and fail we can call for the same action again" thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Anyone who still includes Lampard in their England team for the future seriously needs their head checking. Time to get rid of Terry, Lampard, Heskey, Upson, Glen Johnson and Joe cole. Probably a few others. There are plenty of good young players that can take their place and may actually put a bit of effort into playing for their country. Not sure who i'd get in at right back, Micah Richards is an option but he hasn't developed into the player i thought he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Micah Richards? Really? Maybe after 2 good seasons where he starts more than 15 games. Huddlestone has a lot to prove still. Not particularly mobile or dynamic enough for international football as yet. Part of the problem is the nasty rigid formation IMO. And persisting with players like SWP and Heskey. Adam Johnson plays for Citeh AHEAD of SWP, yet SWP goes to S.A and johnson doesn't make the squad? Wilshere and Rodwell had better be VERY VERY good, because otherwise we will be struggling for a long time. Should also have an english manager. As much as i hate him, Harry Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Micah Richards? Really? Maybe after 2 good seasons where he starts more than 15 games. Huddlestone has a lot to prove still. Not particularly mobile or dynamic enough for international football as yet. Part of the problem is the nasty rigid formation IMO. And persisting with players like SWP and Heskey. Adam Johnson plays for Citeh AHEAD of SWP, yet SWP goes to S.A and johnson doesn't make the squad? Wilshere and Rodwell had better be VERY VERY good, because otherwise we will be struggling for a long time. Should also have an english manager. As much as i hate him, Harry Redknapp. Just because he is English it does not mean Harry is a better manager than Cappello A fourth finish in the Premier League plus a FA Cup win against Cardiff hardly compares with Capello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Micah Richards? Really? Maybe after 2 good seasons where he starts more than 15 games. Clutching at straws really, we have a serious lack of promising right backs. Richards was looking really good a few years ago and then just seemed to fall off the radar. Leaving Citeh and going to a team where he'll play every week is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 -------------Hart Johnson King Dawson Cole ---Milner Barry Johnson -----------Gerrard ------ Rooney Rio in for King if he can't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Hart Micah Richards Michael Dawson John Terry Ashley Cole Aaron Lennon Tom Huddlestone Steven Gerrard Ashley Young Gabby Agbonlahor Peter Crouch I haven't put much thought into this, but it looks ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentley Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Huddlestone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 When a team of quality players can play well in a team for their club under their manager, but cannot play amongst a quality bunch of players for their country under a different manager it is the manager who stands out as being the problem for as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who thinks Heskey is a good footballer is a f*cking muppet. If he makes decisions to bring him on at such crucial times, god knows what stupid decisions he makes on the training ground. So you dont understand that Capello wants a target man and Heskey is probably the only one available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 So you dont understand that Capello wants a target man and Heskey is probably the only one available Your obviously too young to remember the season we got relegated from the PL, when Peter Crouch became a very effective target man for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 I see most people are sticking with the same fullbacks? maybe they need to watch the German goals again. None of that shambles of a defence should be allowed to play for England again. Embarrassing schoolboy/sunday league defending. Time for a clear out and drop the likes of Lampard/Terry etc even though they have said they dont want to retire from international football. These players actually think the team played well? how about an apology to the country? Out of that squad i'd keep in the squad Hart, Dawson, Lennon and Joe Cole thats all. Rooney needs to know he can't take his place for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 I see most people are sticking with the same fullbacks? maybe they need to watch the German goals again. None of that shambles of a defence should be allowed to play for England again. Embarrassing schoolboy/sunday league defending. Time for a clear out and drop the likes of Lampard/Terry etc even though they have said they dont want to retire from international football. These players actually think the team played well? how about an apology to the country? Out of that squad i'd keep in the squad Hart, Dawson, Lennon and Joe Cole thats all. Rooney needs to know he can't take his place for granted. Have to say that Cashley (for all his off pitch nonesense) is one of the very, very few 'top class' players available to us; on the showing of this tournament possibly the 'only' top draw player we have? Not saying he played particularly well over the four games but he was terribly exposed in this formation and the complete lack of any discipline from Gerrard in front of him.... He is one of the few players in the squad that mixes pace,athleticism and technique, he always looked a threat when he got over halfway, unfortunately due to our abysmal ball retention and completely non-existent midfield he only managed to get forward on very limited occaissions. He also looked fit and determined, much fitter and more determined than most other members of the team. For the record I dislike him as a person as much as the next person but I think anybody that thinks we have a better option at LB really would be throwing out babies and bathwater. Glenn Johnson on the other hand ..... absolutely shocking at RB, and very over-rated as an attacking option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 I see most people are sticking with the same fullbacks? maybe they need to watch the German goals again. None of that shambles of a defence should be allowed to play for England again. Embarrassing schoolboy/sunday league defending. Time for a clear out and drop the likes of Lampard/Terry etc even though they have said they dont want to retire from international football. These players actually think the team played well? how about an apology to the country? Out of that squad i'd keep in the squad Hart, Dawson, Lennon and Joe Cole thats all. Rooney needs to know he can't take his place for granted. Cashley may be a money grabbing, wife-cheating idiot, but he is one of the few world class players in our current squad. Johnson, meh but there are very few other options. Seriously, who else? Neville? Richards? Otsemobor? Jermaine Wright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Your obviously too young to remember the season we got relegated from the PL, when Peter Crouch became a very effective target man for us. That was five years ago he did not perform well enough in the Friendly Internationals otherwise he would have been picked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 June, 2010 Share Posted 28 June, 2010 Have to say that Cashley (for all his off pitch nonesense) is one of the very, very few 'top class' players available to us; on the showing of this tournament possibly the 'only' top draw player we have? Not saying he played particularly well over the four games but he was terribly exposed in this formation and the complete lack of any discipline from Gerrard in front of him.... He is one of the few players in the squad that mixes pace,athleticism and technique, he always looked a threat when he got over halfway, unfortunately due to our abysmal ball retention and completely non-existent midfield he only managed to get forward on very limited occaissions. He also looked fit and determined, much fitter and more determined than most other members of the team. For the record I dislike him as a person as much as the next person but I think anybody that thinks we have a better option at LB really would be throwing out babies and bathwater. Glenn Johnson on the other hand ..... absolutely shocking at RB, and very over-rated as an attacking option. Yes I agree with you about Cole but not Glenn Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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