Paxman v Brand

I agree that it should be more elitist, but that should mean the cleverest people. This policy will do the opposite, there will still be plenty of rich kids using uni as an excuse to bum around on some pointless course while potentially better students from less secure backgrounds will choose to do something less worthwhile.

Whilst I do agree, it falls back to the situation that is, 'yes you have a point, but what do we do about it?' Id say the latest policy is making the best if a bad situation and in essance cutting down the number of uni joinrs will eventually raise the profile of degrees again and then will allow return on investment to a graduate.

That said, should someone want to be say a lawyer, and has the aptitude to do so I would say its still worth the so called 'debt', the repayments really arent very prohibitive.

The universities are spending a HUGE amount of borrowed money. We were expecting the universities to spend £3,000 x 3 years on most degrees and have it paid back with the rest of the student loan in 15 years.

The universities have claimed every degree costs £9000 per year. Therefore most degrees will take 25 years to be paid back if at all?

All this is BORROWED money. Much of this will not be paid back as people drop out of their chosen career..

There you go again with this absurd notion that an entire section of the population is disenfranchised. First it was the underclass and now it's young people in general. Nobody is disenfranchised. You and the idiot Brand might equate their sense of frustration and helplessness as being tantamount to disenfranchisement, but if there was such a widespread groundswell of opinion that wished to bring about change, then somebody would have recognised the opportunity to mobilise those votes and created a party that they felt they could support. It isn't as if new parties couldn't potentially bring about changes if they gained popularity, as the Scottish Nationalists, UKIP, the Greens etc have proved. It's just that the type of party Brand would want, is thankfully unelectable.

Working in a large FE college, I would suggest, gives me a decent insight into how young people feel about politics and politicians. They don't vote as none represent them. That's being disenfranchised.

Working in a large FE college, I would suggest, gives me a decent insight into how young people feel about politics and politicians. They don't vote as none represent them. That's being disenfranchised.

You might have some insight into the way they think, but they are not disenfranchised. Nobody has taken away their right to vote, which is what the word means. They aren't the same as criminals serving time who really are disenfranchised. If they can't be bothered to vote, or they feel that nobody represents them, then tough.

Young people weren't that bothered about voting when I was that age too, so not much has changed.

You might have some insight into the way they think, but they are not disenfranchised. Nobody has taken away their right to vote, which is what the word means. They aren't the same as criminals serving time who really are disenfranchised. If they can't be bothered to vote, or they feel that nobody represents them, then tough.

 

Young people weren't that bothered about voting when I was that age too, so not much has changed.

Lovely.

The voters.

Do you honestly believe this ?

For the same reason left wingers assume that capitalists have to be rich, I guess.

Anyone who is a capitalist ( or Tory ) and not rich is quite frankly in my opinion a spanner.

Anyone who is a capitalist ( or Tory ) and not rich is quite frankly in my opinion a spanner.

I'll take that insult, if I may, as I've been called far worse

Anyone who is a capitalist ( or Tory ) and not rich is quite frankly in my opinion a spanner.

Ah! good to see the spirit of dear old Johnny Speight lives on

Spot on.

 

Did you see that idiot choir boy leftie Owen Jones on question time last night. He was bemoaning the lack of working class and people who speak to them standing for parliament. Dimble then asked if he'd stand , "no" he said. I guess its much more lucrative to write and talk about it than actually work at the coal face. It did make me laugh that his reply and rant was almost the same as the great Satan Peter Hitchens, until Hitchens then said that the establishment had let too many immigrants in. Little Owen got so excited his voice nearly broke.

I read this in exactly that tone. He's got to you.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/robert-webb-re-joins-labour-protest-russell-brand

I read your thing on revolution in these pages with great interest and some concern. My first reaction was to re-join the Labour Party. The Jiffy bag containing the plastic membership card and the Tristram Hunt action figure is, I am assured, in the post. I just wanted to tell you why I did that because I thought you might want to hear from someone who a) really likes your work, b) takes you seriously as a thoughtful person and c) thinks you’re wilfully talking through your arse about something very important.

Interesting riposte here from Robert Webb (of Mitchell and Webb fame)

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/oct/30/robert-webb-russell-brand-vote?CMP=fb_gu

Interesting riposte here from Robert Webb (of Mitchell and Webb fame)

 

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/oct/30/robert-webb-russell-brand-vote?CMP=fb_gu

Not a fan of Robert Webb.

My objections are in the Ramirez Off Topic Thread. Broadly though, it's a bit of a laugh that he suggests that Brand reads some "f**king Orwell". Webb has just re-joined the Labour Party, who presided over some of the most Orwellian legislation going, not to mention helping to establish our surveillance state.

Interesting riposte here from Robert Webb (of Mitchell and Webb fame)

 

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/oct/30/robert-webb-russell-brand-vote?CMP=fb_gu

Look one post up from yours ma'am

Look one post up from yours ma'am

Oh sorry Trousers. My eyes are working no better than my knee it seems.

Here's someone else's view on (the lack of) democracy today

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/business-rules-lobbying-corporate-interests?CMP=fb_gu

Robert Webb is less funny than Lenny Henry.

Robert Webb is less funny than Lenny Henry.

Thanks.

I agree. Has ridden completely off the back of better writers and a f**king annoying braying voice.

Here's someone else's view on (the lack of) democracy today

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/business-rules-lobbying-corporate-interests?CMP=fb_gu

Here's someone else's view on (the lack of) democracy today

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/business-rules-lobbying-corporate-interests?CMP=fb_gu

There's a simple solution....

Get 650 people to stand as independent candidates at the next general election (one per constituency) then get c.12,000,000 people to vote for them.

If everyone is as fed up with "traditional politics" as would appear the case then this should be a doddle...

There's a simple solution....

 

Get 650 people to stand as independent candidates at the next general election (one per constituency) then get c.12,000,000 people to vote for them.

 

If everyone is as fed up with "traditional politics" as would appear the case then this should be a doddle...

Hardly simple, especially considering the sh!thouse big parties managed to convince the moronic British public that AV/more proportional representation would lead to dead soldiers and babies.

Hardly simple, especially considering the sh!thouse big parties managed to convince the moronic British public that AV/more proportional representation would lead to dead soldiers and babies.

Ok. First step... get rid of the easily led morons...

Ok. First step... get rid of the easily led morons...

Presumably thats the LibDems and the Labour/Tory backbenchers.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/15/johnny-rotten-lydon-russell-brand-revolution-vote

Great, I loathe brand and to see an icon of anarchy calling the upstart a bumhole is fantastic.

I liked the way they got bumhole and floaters into the same article

I like Brand. He turns older people off because he constantly reminds them how f**ked up things got under their watch.

I love that Lydon interview, it shows Brand up for what he is - a confused and hypocritical ex junkie millionaire trying preach revolution from his mansion in Beverly Hills .

I love that Lydon interview, it shows Brand up for what he is - a confused and hypocritical ex junkie millionaire trying preach revolution from his mansion in Beverly Hills .

I love this post. It shows just how superb Brand is. Despite being an ex-junkie, he is a millionaire living in a mansion, bringing out envy and the judgmental worst of ginger sad cases.

Why they allowed him to sing at the Olympics is beyond me. John Lydon would have been a better shout (literally).

I love this post. It shows just how superb Brand is. Despite being an ex-junkie, he is a millionaire living in a mansion, bringing out envy and the judgmental worst of ginger sad cases.

Pap everyone here already knows you're a chippy narcissistic dwarf. No need for constant reminders.

Ive had several opportunities to leave the NGO job I do now and go and work in low carbon financing in the city. Anyone one of those offers would have made me a millionaire in three to four years. I choose not to because I enjoy what I do and don't need more money than Ive got. Brand has made choices at odds with his espoused values. You're the one who looks up to him, probably because you have similar a lack of mental clarity. Ive just got contempt.

Pap everyone here already knows you're a chippy narcissistic dwarf. No need for constant reminders.

 

Ive had several opportunities to leave the NGO job I do now and go and work in low carbon financing in the city. Anyone one of those offers would have made me a millionaire in three to four years. I choose not to because I enjoy what I do and don't need more money than Ive got. Brand has made choices at odds with his espoused values. You're the one who looks up to him, probably because you have similar a lack of mental clarity. Ive just got contempt.

I love this post too.

Same reasons as above and more.

I'm going to take you at face value on the millionaire stuff, simply because the thought of you repeatedly walking away from millions pleases me more than calling BS.

Brand is one of the biggest prats to obtain airtime since Piers Morgan. Utter moron.

the judgmental worst of ginger sad cases.

In what way is insulting someone by describing them as 'ginger' not 'judgemental'? You've hit on that rare figure of speech, the moronic oxymoron.

I've just been listening to a well-known novelist calling prejudices like this 'the egalitarian socialism of fools'. Seems to fit.

Who says I'm not judgmental? Justifiably so in dear Tim's case. He chose to literally play the man when he had me at the disadvantage of knowing what I looked like, making a number of jibes about my appearance.

So forgive me if I discover he's a generic ginger heffa and decide to give it back.

Arf

I can't work out if this bloke is a genius or a buffoon. Maybe he's both? re: his answer to the 9/11 question.....he'd make a good politician with that evasive answer....

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Are you going to overthrow John Lewis?

Evasive on lots of fronts. He makes a good soundbite but does tend to lack a bit of substance when pressed on detail. Then again he never claimed to be an expert on these matters, I think he's proved that at least (so why have him on?).

I like him but that interview didn't inspire me very much regarding political issues.

I too saw Brand v Evan Davis on Newsnight last night. A strange interview that kind of started off quite calmly ... but soon went rapidly downhill again.

BTW - not quite sure the pair of them are really 'mates'.

Every time he opens his mouth, I get this irrational urge to stuff my fist down it.

So he is a "comedian and an entertainer." Perhaps he should stick to that?

Nice to know he is working for and supporting me.

I, for one, support Brand and what he is doing. Getting young people interested in politics even if you disagree with his view point. Most people who ***** and moan about what Brand is doing are the same people who **** and moan about bedroom tax, corporate bodies avoiding tax, draconian police tactics, the oppression of syndicalism, privatisation of the NHS etc etc etc at least he is standing for something unlike the passive bewildered heard (to quote Chomsky) who spend their lives watching xfactor, masturbating and chasing vacuous goals. The rise in far-right wing support (ukip) is nothing if not a clear indication of a society disenchanted with politicians and corporate greed. A society where the most vulnerable individuals (those below the poverty line, immigrants, those with drug and/or alcohol addiction) are attacked and targeted as the problem whilst MPs, banks and corporate bodies drain billions from the economy funded by us, the Orwellian prols.

I, for one, support Brand and what he is doing. Getting young people interested in politics even if you disagree with his view point. Most people who ***** and moan about what Brand is doing are the same people who **** and moan about bedroom tax, corporate bodies avoiding tax, draconian police tactics, the oppression of syndicalism, privatisation of the NHS etc etc etc at least he is standing for something unlike the passive bewildered heard (to quote Chomsky) who spend their lives watching xfactor, masturbating and chasing vacuous goals. The rise in far-right wing support (ukip) is nothing if not a clear indication of a society disenchanted with politicians and corporate greed. A society where the most vulnerable individuals (those below the poverty line, immigrants, those with drug and/or alcohol addiction) are attacked and targeted as the problem whilst MPs, banks and corporate bodies drain billions from the economy funded by us, the Orwellian prols.

Nice bit of lazy generalisation. Go team Brand!

I, for one, support Brand and what he is doing. Getting young people interested in politics even if you disagree with his view point. Most people who ***** and moan about what Brand is doing are the same people who **** and moan about bedroom tax, corporate bodies avoiding tax, draconian police tactics, the oppression of syndicalism, privatisation of the NHS etc etc etc at least he is standing for something unlike the passive bewildered heard (to quote Chomsky) who spend their lives watching xfactor, masturbating and chasing vacuous goals. The rise in far-right wing support (ukip) is nothing if not a clear indication of a society disenchanted with politicians and corporate greed. A society where the most vulnerable individuals (those below the poverty line, immigrants, those with drug and/or alcohol addiction) are attacked and targeted as the problem whilst MPs, banks and corporate bodies drain billions from the economy funded by us, the Orwellian prols.

Agree with this

UKiP far right?

LoL

UKiP far right?

 

LoL

Sorry, You're right, Nigel 'people with aids should not be allowed into the UK' Farage and UKIP only advocate and make deals with far right groups/individuals. My apologies.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/20/ukip-does-deal-with-far-right-to-save-european-grouping

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/12/ukip-far-right-bnp

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/fury-over-ukips-alliance-with-farright-polish-party-9808621.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-under-fire-for-asking-far-right-swede-to-scotland.25254343

Sorry, You're right, Nigel 'people with aids should not be allowed into the UK' Farage and UKIP only advocate and make deals with far right groups/individuals. My apologies.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/20/ukip-does-deal-with-far-right-to-save-european-grouping

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/12/ukip-far-right-bnp

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/fury-over-ukips-alliance-with-farright-polish-party-9808621.html

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-under-fire-for-asking-far-right-swede-to-scotland.25254343

Farage would probably sit a bit to the left of the peoples champion, Obama

Remind me of who the 'west' deal with? ah yes, saudi arabia. Probably one of the most oppressive nations on earth who are well up there is sponsoring global terrorism