Jos Hooiveld

This will be the fourth season with Saints for the man with the square head.

Excellent in the Championship (especially on Tuesdays) and then progressively worse since then.

Can he turn it round and have a solid campaign as a starting player? Or will his 'happy feet' conjure up a few more OGs?

Personally, I am amazed he is still at the club considering how efficiently we shed the other Championship deadwood.

But he does help new players settle in by sorting them out with mobile phones, and seems a good lad around the camp.

Does this mitigate things slightly? My opinion could be swayed by those of others...

Adequate as 4th choice and as long as he is happy with that I think he is a solid squad member. This may even be the season he is surpassed by Stephens / Turnbull / McCarthy in the pecking order but with just a year left on his deal I suspect he will be released as Guly was at the end of last season.

Sad that he was considered our best defender in the Championship season and the most likely to step up, a lot of questions were raised over Fonte's ability back then. Sadly it all went wrong for Jos. I think his own lack of confidence has exacerbated his poor form. Can't see any way back for him in the opinions of fans now, even if he played incredibly well. It's not nice to see someone who had so much respect and who aided us so much in being where we are lose it all and be treated as a joke by the fans 2 seasons later.

My favourite player in the promotion season, I think everyone would wish him well if he left.

But he does help new players settle in by sorting them out with mobile phones, and seems a good lad around the camp.

 

This is probably the biggest factor with why he is still with us. Good in the dressing room for team spirit and morale, by the looks of things.

We also probably keep him in the team because the younger CB's (likely) aren't quite ready to step up yet so instead of playing them and knocking their confidence, he is there to step in when Lovren / Fonte and Yoshida can't play.

My favourite player in the promotion season, I think everyone would wish him well if he left.

Totally agree. Sad he didnt or couldnt make the step up but wish him well if he moves on.

He may be lacking in some areas but he has served us pretty well, has passion for the club and wants to do well. A good squad member. Never understand why others throw keyboard abuse at players that try.

This is probably the biggest factor with why he is still with us. Good in the dressing room for team spirit and morale, by the looks of things.

This. Sometimes such characters can be worth their weight in gold for team morale in the dressing room and socially, even when they're not the best of the bunch on the field.

Our policy is to keep the worst players and sell the best. Thought we all knew that.

This. Sometimes such characters can be worth their weight in gold for team morale in the dressing room and socially, even when they're not the best of the bunch on the field.

Very true. He and Kelvin are both key in this respect it would seem.

MLG - Could you put some stats together on our PL result split when Hooiveld played over the last two seasons? Year by year view. Cheers.

He can babysit a few more Dutchmen maybe. They he's toast.

But he does help new players settle in by sorting them out with mobile phones, and seems a good lad around the camp.]

Strange. My dad recently mentioned Big Jos and a mobile phone shop he is a patron of in the same sentence. He has a reputation as a phone man or something?

Rumour has it that RoKo sees him as first choice CB and will skipper the side next season.

Source: my head.

Strange. My dad recently mentioned Big Jos and a mobile phone shop he is a patron of in the same sentence. He has a reputation as a phone man or something?

Haha. He just said in an interview that he helps new signings settle by sorting them out a phone.

Maybe he has access to a wholesale supplier?

On topic, there was a good example of Jos' lack of concentration last night. 2mins 25 secs into the highlights video.

Reminded me very much of the Newcastle cock up at St James' Park last season.

JoHo is guaranteed to improve under RoKo

JoHo is guaranteed to improve under RoKo

That's probably a NoNo

I'd put him in the same box as Benali in terms of his Saints career and his future retrospective reputation.

Make of that what you will.

By the way, I was in a progrock band back in the 70s called 'Future Retrospective Reputation'

We did a track with a drum solo that lasted 5 years.

True story.

Our policy is to keep the worst players and sell the best. Thought we all knew that.

LOL. Post of the week. Our new 5 year plan is to ensure we fulfil our 'yoyo' policy. Reckon we are at the start of the downswing !

He's a perfectly adequate 4th choice centre back for a mid table club there can't be many better players who would be willing to not even sit on the bench most weeks. I suspect he will be released at the end if his contract by which time hopefully one of the youngsters will be ready.

JoHo is guaranteed to improve under RoKo

He's not young and hungry though??

Guess we'll let his contract run out and hopefully Stephens can then step into gap.

Rumour has it that RoKo sees him as first choice CB and will skipper the side next season.

 

Source: my head.

Then that would be a classic example of Dutch Chauvinisitic Delusion...but I'm sure you jest here so we'll let it go.

Reckon we are at the start of the downswing !

Don't you always think that?

Don't you always think that?

He never actually thinks that. Just a pointless, repetitive trolling routine of a "comedy" opinion that has been going on for five years, in fact far, far longer. Gawd, I've been on here too long.

The shame of it is that Dalek thinks it is all genuinely hilarious.

Now the season is underway, every sesaon lately has a thread here about Hooiveld started by Charlie...

He never actually thinks that. Just a pointless, repetitive trolling routine of a "comedy" opinion that has been going on for five years, in fact far, far longer. Gawd, I've been on here too long.

 

The shame of it is that Dalek thinks it is all genuinely hilarious.

Having seen enough of his posts, I doubt he ever actually thinks anything. Just copies and paste's the "we'll be relegated" template and tweaks until appropriate.

He never actually thinks that. Just a pointless, repetitive trolling routine of a "comedy" opinion that has been going on for five years, in fact far, far longer. Gawd, I've been on here too long.

 

The shame of it is that Dalek thinks it is all genuinely hilarious.

CB is spot on with this.

Jos isn't perfect by any means, but I don't think he's quite as bad as some people suggest. He was first choice for the second half of 2012/13 and by and large did fairly well. His performance in the 3-1 win over Man City that season was as good if not better than anything Lovren has ever produced in a Saints shirt. It's not like he's never done it at this level. Obviously he has his faults, but as people have said above, he's fine as 4th choice.

He never actually thinks that. Just a pointless, repetitive trolling routine of a "comedy" opinion that has been going on for five years, in fact far, far longer. Gawd, I've been on here too long.

 

The shame of it is that Dalek thinks it is all genuinely hilarious.

The fan club is back !

Having seen enough of his posts, I doubt he ever actually thinks anything. Just copies and paste's the "we'll be relegated" template and tweaks until appropriate.

There is some truth in the sentiment. I always start the season with one thing in mind, can Saints avoid relegation ? This attitude has been burnt into my mind since the hard struggles of the 1990's.

Seems a great guy. Good for dressing room moral. Poor premiership defender unless we are sitting deep which we rarely did last season if ever. (should have about 5 pace on football manager, got it MLG?)

Articulate, more so than most if the first language English speakers! Met him at corporate dos a couple of times. Send a really genuinely nice guy. He has the ability I think, just knocked his confidence with the mistakes early on in 2012/13 season. Maybe under Koeman he'll get his consistency back? If he was the player we lived in the championship again it'd be "Lovren who?"...

*Seems, *loved.

More articulate than me, also.

My advice to Jos...

"Get rid of the facial hair, get serious and RK may yet turn you into a half decent player. Focus & Concentration are key"

never going to become first-choice again, but a good sub. in emergency situations. Good for another season.

Brave and tough - if only his goals for tally outweighed hos OG's a bit more, he'd be better thought of by many.

never going to become first-choice again, but a good sub. in emergency situations. Good for another season.

 

Brave and tough - if only his goals for tally outweighed hos OG's a bit more, he'd be better thought of by many.

Is he really a good sub? For a PL team that has money to spend and ambitions to finish top half? He wouldn't start for any PL team, and probably wouldnt be a third choice either.

All for giving players a chance, but has had two years in the PL and been out of his depth time and time again. Its not a charity.

My advice to Jos...

 

"Get rid of the facial hair, get serious and RK may yet turn you into a half decent player. Focus & Concentration are key"

What's having facial hair got to do with finding form again?

What's having facial hair got to do with finding form again?

Everything! Are you mad? Facial Hair is everything.

For starters; the Lallana 'Under Beard' should be banned from the training camp immediately. I saw one or two youngsters wearing it last night. To give Jos his dues, I think he has sported the beard longer than most - but this may point to its origin. I agree; off with the beards!

Saints Squad should be clean living clean shaven nice young men, not yobbos with hipster beards and intricately shaved stubble designs, YMCA n all that.

(Moustaches are, of course, fine and to be encouraged).

Everything! Are you mad? Facial Hair is everything.

 

For starters; the Lallana 'Under Beard' should be banned from the training camp immediately. I saw one or two youngsters wearing it last night. To give Jos his dues, I think he has sported the beard longer than most - but this may point to its origin. I agree; off with the beards!

 

Saints Squad should be clean living clean shaven nice young men, not yobbos with hipster beards and intricately shaved stubble designs, YMCA n all that.

 

(Moustaches are, of course, fine and to be encouraged).

I would argue that Lallana got better with more facial hair.

I would argue that Lallana got better with more facial hair.

Now we are getting to the nitty gritty and important stuff.

Yes, he did, but (as was widely reported at the time), the world reached 'peak beard' in mid April - around the same time Saints' campaign began to stagnant. Coincidence? I think not.

We need to be ahead of the times here - I'm not saying forget training and the sports science - but come on Saints, sort it out; there must be a decent Turkish Barbers in Southampton somewhere?

Now we are getting to the nitty gritty and important stuff.

 

Yes, he did, but (as was widely reported at the time), the world reached 'peak beard' in mid April - around the same time Saints' campaign began to stagnant. Coincidence? I think not.

 

We need to be ahead of the times here - I'm not saying forget training and the sports science - but come on Saints, sort it out; there must be a decent Turkish Barbers in Southampton somewhere?

I'm hoping he's looked at it as a way to cut out the number of own goals he scores. He might have seen the progress Adam was making and thought it was worth a shot.

Is he really a good sub? For a PL team that has money to spend and ambitions to finish top half? He wouldn't start for any PL team, and probably wouldnt be a third choice either.

 

All for giving players a chance, but has had two years in the PL and been out of his depth time and time again. Its not a charity.

Agreed, but it'll be RK who decides his future (with Saints or elsewhere).....time will tell.

Everything! Are you mad? Facial Hair is everything.

 

For starters; the Lallana 'Under Beard' should be banned from the training camp immediately. I saw one or two youngsters wearing it last night. To give Jos his dues, I think he has sported the beard longer than most - but this may point to its origin. I agree; off with the beards!

 

Saints Squad should be clean living clean shaven nice young men, not yobbos with hipster beards and intricately shaved stubble designs, YMCA n all that.

 

(Moustaches are, of course, fine and to be encouraged).

What is your stance on pubic hair Polaroid?

What is your stance on pubic hair Polaroid?

I try not to have a fixed stance on THAT sort of thing.

However, if one down-stairs carpet style has a benefit over another, then I would not be adverse to (cautiously) giving it go. If successful, I would of course demand Saints force the entire squad to adopt it.