Luke Shaw training on his own

Jeff, I've really got under your skin, haven't i?

 

Believe or not, it doesn't feel good making a fool of you. So if you want to learn something, you might want to check my quick thoughts on the match -see I actually go to games.

 

No need to thank me - it's on the house

I'm a better fan than you klaxon!

So we've had the not answering my responses because you're wrong, changing the subject because you can't defend what you say and now the better fan accusation.

'Clutching at straws' bingo is going very well today :lol:

If Luke has been told to lose weight it will be the worst thing he can do. Both Pochettino and Hodgson told him he needs to beef himself up. Any additional weight needs to be turned to muscle to support his joints, hamstrings. Just losing weight would only end up with him turning into a cripple.

If Luke has been told to lose weight it will be the worst thing he can do. Both Pochettino and Hodgson told him he needs to beef himself up. Any additional weight needs to be turned to muscle to support his joints, hamstrings. Just losing weight would only end up with him turning into a cripple.

I'm a better fan than you klaxon!

 

So we've had the not answering my responses because you're wrong, changing the subject because you can't defend what you say and now the better fan accusation.

 

'Clutching at straws' bingo is going very well today :lol:

I've defended my views - if you can't read DPS, so be it. Guess it is consistent with your meat-and-potato musical tastes.

Which questions? I don't have the time to trawl through your drivel, especially if it is on a different page from the current one. If it makes you feel any better sweetheart and you need some mongboard TLC, let me know what they are.

Needless to say, you'll be shown up yet again

I'm a better fan than you klaxon!

 

So we've had the not answering my responses because you're wrong, changing the subject because you can't defend what you say and now the better fan accusation.

 

'Clutching at straws' bingo is going very well today :lol:

I've defended my views - if you can't read DPS, so be it. Guess it is consistent with your meat-and-potato musical tastes.

Which questions? I don't have the time to trawl through your drivel, especially if it is on a different page from the current one. If it makes you feel any better sweetheart and you need some mongboard TLC, let me know what they are.

Needless to say, you'll be shown up yet again

I'm in the talentless camp. Oasis were clearly a crock of ****. Just because they were popular and sold loads of records doesn't mean their nasely ***** of a singer had any talent unless you define it as singing badly while acting like a **** then he had loads.

His hilariously crap clothing range is also testament to his lack of talent.

I've just been to Green Man festival where there were artists who have sold a tiny fraction of the records Oasis have but have more talent in their turds than Liam Gallagher.

I'm in the talentless camp. Oasis were clearly a crock of ****. Just because they were popular and sold loads of records doesn't mean their nasely ***** of a singer had any talent unless you define it as singing badly while acting like a **** then he had loads.

His hilariously crap clothing range is also testament to his lack of talent.

I've just been to Green Man festival where there were artists who have sold a tiny fraction of the records Oasis have but have more talent in their turds than Liam Gallagher.

Excellent!

Excellent!

Lead singer in the biggest British band of the last 20 years = talentless according to the mongboard

Lead singer in the biggest British band of the last 20 years = talentless according to the mongboard

Luke Shaw does not deserve to be panned on here. He brought a lot of money into the clubs coffers

Luke Shaw does not deserve to be panned on here. He brought a lot of money into the clubs coffers

Can't help but think that Luke is just making it worse for himself. The mirrors tweet was hardly inflammatory, yes no doubt it had undertones but Luke should have just left it for what it is.

Can't help but think that Luke is just making it worse for himself. The mirrors tweet was hardly inflammatory, yes no doubt it had undertones but Luke should have just left it for what it is.

Luke Shaw does not deserve to be panned on here. He brought a lot of money into the clubs coffers

So did Kevin Davies but he was treated atrociously by many people on the forums.

Luke Shaw does not deserve to be panned on here. He brought a lot of money into the clubs coffers

So did Kevin Davies but he was treated atrociously by many people on the forums.

So did Kevin Davies but he was treated atrociously by many people on the forums.

So did Kevin Davies but he was treated atrociously by many people on the forums.

Can't help but think that Luke is just making it worse for himself. The mirrors tweet was hardly inflammatory, yes no doubt it had undertones but Luke should have just left it for what it is.

He needs to realise he's playing for the biggest side in the world now, so he can't respond like that. Papers hold grudges. He's best to not get on the wrong side of them.

Can't help but think that Luke is just making it worse for himself. The mirrors tweet was hardly inflammatory, yes no doubt it had undertones but Luke should have just left it for what it is.

He needs to realise he's playing for the biggest side in the world now, so he can't respond like that. Papers hold grudges. He's best to not get on the wrong side of them.

You would expect no less from a Citeh fan.

You would expect no less from a Citeh fan.

You do know that isn't the real Liam Gallagher right? Funny nonetheless!

You do know that isn't the real Liam Gallagher right? Funny nonetheless!

I'm in the talentless camp. Oasis were clearly a crock of ****. Just because they were popular and sold loads of records doesn't mean their nasely ***** of a singer had any talent unless you define it as singing badly while acting like a **** then he had loads.

 

His hilariously crap clothing range is also testament to his lack of talent.

 

I've just been to Green Man festival where there were artists who have sold a tiny fraction of the records Oasis have but have more talent in their turds than Liam Gallagher.

I'm not a huge fan of Oasis. Difficult to get fully onboard if you've listened to the stuff they're trying to ape. The Beatles stuff was bad enough, but when they're nicking the riff off Stereophonics' Same Size Feet and calling it The Hindu Times, you've got to conclude that they're imitators rather than innovators.

I'm in the talentless camp. Oasis were clearly a crock of ****. Just because they were popular and sold loads of records doesn't mean their nasely ***** of a singer had any talent unless you define it as singing badly while acting like a **** then he had loads.

 

His hilariously crap clothing range is also testament to his lack of talent.

 

I've just been to Green Man festival where there were artists who have sold a tiny fraction of the records Oasis have but have more talent in their turds than Liam Gallagher.

I'm not a huge fan of Oasis. Difficult to get fully onboard if you've listened to the stuff they're trying to ape. The Beatles stuff was bad enough, but when they're nicking the riff off Stereophonics' Same Size Feet and calling it The Hindu Times, you've got to conclude that they're imitators rather than innovators.

It's like he's being used in a game of piggy in the middle between Jose and Van Gaal.

Its appears to be a statement to the Man U boardroom that van Gaal knows best when it comes to spending club money on transfers. I feel for Shaw, can't be doing his confidence any good.

Guess we wouldn't want him back on loan.... wages too high?

I think van Gaal won't last the season at this rate.

It's like he's being used in a game of piggy in the middle between Jose and Van Gaal.

Its appears to be a statement to the Man U boardroom that van Gaal knows best when it comes to spending club money on transfers. I feel for Shaw, can't be doing his confidence any good.

Guess we wouldn't want him back on loan.... wages too high?

I think van Gaal won't last the season at this rate.

surely thats One Direction lol

Coldplay I'd imagine.

surely thats One Direction lol

Coldplay I'd imagine.

Don't know why we should be grateful, we developed him since the age of 8, it's the very least he owed us.

do players that come through the academy then owe the club for training them? The club aren't doing youngsters a favour, they are developing players to save themselves large transfer fees to bring other players in.

Don't know why we should be grateful, we developed him since the age of 8, it's the very least he owed us.

do players that come through the academy then owe the club for training them? The club aren't doing youngsters a favour, they are developing players to save themselves large transfer fees to bring other players in.

do players that come through the academy then owe the club for training them? The club aren't doing youngsters a favour, they are developing players to save themselves large transfer fees to bring other players in.

Well the relationship should be mutually beneficial. What is the point in the club investing 10 years of time, resources, and money for a player to walk away from the club, the moment he is on the verge of the first-team? Shaw should be grateful to the club for honing his talent and giving him a massive opportunity in life. Why should the club be grateful to him for not walking away at the very first opportunity?

do players that come through the academy then owe the club for training them? The club aren't doing youngsters a favour, they are developing players to save themselves large transfer fees to bring other players in.

Well the relationship should be mutually beneficial. What is the point in the club investing 10 years of time, resources, and money for a player to walk away from the club, the moment he is on the verge of the first-team? Shaw should be grateful to the club for honing his talent and giving him a massive opportunity in life. Why should the club be grateful to him for not walking away at the very first opportunity?

The Academy does feel like a two-edged sword after this summer. There was that sense of pride when Saints had 5 Academy products on the pitch and 4 of them teenagers, but with three having gone the pride element feels flat when all those years of effort turn out just to be money, not a team. Can't see any alternative though because without selling people like Shaw, where else would the money come from to buy the foreign imports that we are coming to rely on like all the other Premier clubs. The irony is that instead of being stars here and standing out, Shaw is now a smaller fish in a bigger pool with a club that will bring other big fishes in so that he won't be guaranteed a regular starting place. Who is Manure's LB, is it some guy called Rojo? And as for our LB? Looks as good as Shaw but he isn't actually ours at all, so the pride element isn't quite there and there will be two games he's not allowed to play in.

Well the relationship should be mutually beneficial. What is the point in the club investing 10 years of time, resources, and money for a player to walk away from the club, the moment he is on the verge of the first-team? Shaw should be grateful to the club for honing his talent and giving him a massive opportunity in life. Why should the club be grateful to him for not walking away at the very first opportunity?

how many players do we spend that sort of time on?

so many young players we actually buy from other clubs. When they are 15-16 years old

Reed, Isgrove, jwp, Gallagher - we will still have four young academy products this year

Well the relationship should be mutually beneficial. What is the point in the club investing 10 years of time, resources, and money for a player to walk away from the club, the moment he is on the verge of the first-team? Shaw should be grateful to the club for honing his talent and giving him a massive opportunity in life. Why should the club be grateful to him for not walking away at the very first opportunity?

I can think of 30m reasons

Reed, Isgrove, jwp, Gallagher - we will still have four young academy products this year

Gallagher is NOT a product of our academy, credit where it is due.

how many players do we spend that sort of time on?

so many young players we actually buy from other clubs. When they are 15-16 years old

Sure MLG can give you that sort of information but off the top of my head: Turnbull, Sinclair, Reed, JWP, Shaw, Chambers, McQueen, Targett, McCarthy. Those that leave before their first pro-deal might have been affiliated with the club for 7-8 years, which is still a lot of time spent on training them.

I can think of 30m reasons

Yes, we got good money for him. But why are people grateful to Shaw for not walking away before his first pro-deal? We are at a low ebb if 17/18 year old academy prospects feel that they are doing the club a favour by staying put for a year or so, and that fans also view the relationship between club and player in such terms. Wasn't it supposed to be that our academy prospects 'self-police' themselves if they are thought to be getting too big for their boots. Pretty sad that in the case of Shaw he had to be convinced by others at the club (whether that was Les Reed/Cortese/or Lambert and Lallana) that it was in his best interests to stay for last season.

Clearly not going well at the moment. In the land of the Mancs with 12 (?) league clubs within a 30 mile radius of the centre and the majority of the locals being City fans, he had better realise that every move he makes will be publicly scrutinised and reported. Where he could get away with one too many Nandos in Southampton he will not get away with it there. This is the price of £30m. I am not sure what impact the signing of Rojo (we now know why he did not want to sign for us) is going to have on his position.

Reed, Isgrove, jwp, Gallagher - we will still have four young academy products this year

Shaw will be fine longer-term at Man U but will learn from his mistakes at that age. LVG has a certain management style and I'm not sure I'd have handled Luke's integration process at Man Utd the way he did but Luke's still one of the most impressive players I've seen at that age and his quality will prevail. One thing he does need to watch is social media use - some of it has been daft and he got away with it to an extent at Saints. However, at a club with Man U's profile he won't.

I do wonder why a lad on 100k a week needs to be on twitter, surely he can find things to do in his spare time?!

I do wonder why a lad on 100k a week needs to be on twitter, surely he can find things to do in his spare time?!

Well he has already proved to be useless at organising threesomes.

Getting flack in a number of the press today from Roy Hodgson ref his fitness at the WC.

Gallagher is NOT a product of our academy, credit where it is due.

He is sort of. Arrived when he was still at school and has improved considerably in the time he's been with us. Saints definitely deserve plenty of credit for his development

Doesn't surprise me, he was often picking up niggly injuries. Remember when he had to pull out the under 21's three times in a row.

He's going to be a hell of a player though.

Getting flack in a number of the press today from Roy Hodgson ref his fitness at the WC.

Article about it here:-

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/28/luke-shaw-england-concerns-roy-hodgson-manchester-united

Seems a bit weird; Hodgson never said anything at the time. Everyone's treating Luke as if he's Randy from the Trailer Park Boys.