Saint-Armstrong Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5926705/Artur-Boruc-to-join-Southampton-on-loan-from-Bournemouth-exclusive.html?CMP=SOC-SunFootball-SFtw-24_04_2014-318-0-0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Why?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Why?!!! Because Fraser Forster is our first choice, Boruc won't play for us as much as he wants and if Forster gets injured we would recall Boruc from his loan. Boruc would get the game time he wants and he wouldn't need to move house and uproot his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Because Fraser Forster is our first choice, Boruc won't play for us as much as he wants and if Forster gets injured we would recall Boruc from his loan. You and your logic and reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 This would be OK PROVIDED that Boruc can be recalled straight away if Forster gets an injury. Gazza desperately needs game time even more than Artur, which lower league sides (L1/2/Conference) have keeper injuries at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I'd rather have Boruc on the bench, to be used in the game, not a phone call away to be used in the next game! And Bournemouth would never agree to an immediate recall anyway. I hope this is an April Fool joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Personally, I would send Gazza on loan and keep Boruc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 We had better hope Forster stays fit then. We all remember the Davis and Gazza show from last season. Neither are good enough to start PL matches, and have proven so on a multitude of occassions. Great signing for Bournemouth though. If there was a recall clause and we actually intended to play Boruc if Forster was injured then that wouldnt be too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Because Fraser Forster is our first choice, Boruc won't play for us as much as he wants and if Forster gets injured we would recall Boruc from his loan. Boruc would get the game time he wants and he wouldn't need to move house and uproot his family. But we can't recall Boruc from a season long loan outside the transfer window. Presumably the term "end of the year" means a 3 month loan then with recall clause. But we're only allowed to send players out on single month "emergency" loans outside the Transfer Window aren't we? So either it's not til the end of the year, or he can't be recalled until Jan, or I've forgotten the bit about emergency multi-month loans. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Theres got to be some serious underlying reason for what now amounts to two serious attempts to get Boruc out and away from the team because no-one doubts his PL standard ability . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I'd rather have Boruc on the bench, to be used in the game, not a phone call away to be used in the next game! And Bournemouth would never agree to an immediate recall anyway.I hope this is an April Fool joke? They might do on the basis that the rest of the deal is so good for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Theres got to be some serious underlying reason for what now amounts to two serious attempts to get Boruc out and away from the team because no-one doubts his PL standard ability . I think Boruc wanting to be first choice and clearly not being is probably sufficient reason. He's also out of contract in July so it makes sense for him to be in the shop window for potential suitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I thought that if it was a season long loan it wasn't possible to recall - I thought it was just the short term loans where you can recall ? Might be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Ok, answer my own question: How long can these loans be for? They can range from 28 days to 93 days. The upper end of the scale is over three months, ... The two clubs may also decide to introduce a break clause, in accordance with section 53.3.8 of the Football League regulations, which means the player can be recalled any time after the 28 day mark. In extenuating circumstances, the League can agree to extend the loan beyond 93 days but, normally, you can’t keep the same player for more than this period of time (i.e. a club can’t keep signing him on loan over and over again). Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2274879/Football-League-loan-window-explained.html#ixzz3DlPBtNXg Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 But we can't recall Boruc from a season long loan outside the transfer window. Presumably the term "end of the year" means a 3 month loan then with recall clause. But we're only allowed to send players out on single month "emergency" loans outside the Transfer Window aren't we? So either it's not til the end of the year, or he can't be recalled until Jan, or I've forgotten the bit about emergency multi-month loans. Which is it? We can loan him out for 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I thought that if it was a season long loan it wasn't possible to recall - I thought it was just the short term loans where you can recall ? Might be wrong though. Season longs can be recalled in Transfer Windows (i.e. in January or in the case of Taider, before the TW he was originally loaned in closes). The short term regs are above - as 93 days is the longest period we could insert a recall clause which could be activated after 28 days. To answer myself above - "I've forgotten the bit about multi-month loans". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 We can loan him out for 3 months. I think you'll find that's 93 days, ACTUALLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I thought that if it was a season long loan it wasn't possible to recall - I thought it was just the short term loans where you can recall ? Might be wrong though. The Boruc loan (if it happens) will be a short term loan of 3 months. After the transfer deadline in September you can't do loans which finish at the end of the season until the next window opens in January, you can only do short term loans in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 19 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Official: http://www.afcb.co.uk/news/article/2014-09-19-afc-bournemouth-sign-artur-boruc-on-loan-from-southampton-1927925.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Til January - no break clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I wonder if this was the sort of move Irene was on about Great signing for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rees Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Watch them sign him permanently in Jan:frown:, we need to keep him available/ready to recall for the whole season, I'm not sure we could take another period of Kelv and Gazza again:scared: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Bet Forster gets injured tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Til January - no break clause. On what are you basing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 We can loan him out for 3 months. ...after which, he'll be on the last 6 months of his contract and therefore able to negotiate with SFC / other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Strikes me that Boruc has had a bit of a dodgy attitude since Forster was signed. He hasn't even been on the bench yet so he wasn't going to get a game even if he stayed. Best get someone else to cover his wages until we can get rid and replace him with someone who wants to be here. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 ...after which, he'll be on the last 6 months of his contract and therefore able to negotiate with SFC / other clubs. Foreign clubs only at that point, but yes he can. He isn't going to sign a new contract at Saints, we all know that surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakkoUK Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Bet Forster gets injured tomorrow. Headlines: FORSTER IN BRUTAL ATTACK BY POLISH MOB Club plea for Boruc's forgiveness and him a give juicy pay rise. Boruc be like- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The9 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Foreign clubs only at that point, but yes he can. He isn't going to sign a new contract at Saints, we all know that surely. Where did this "foreign clubs only" bit come in, it never used to be part of the Bosman regulations and originally players could negotiate with anyone? It's been around for a while, I'm just wondering what prompted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Fair play to Bournemouth - Good signing for them. I doubt it can happen now, but have always felt Gazza needs a loan move to get some 1st team action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Would be interested in the wages.Are we paying a large % , or are they cementing their place as the new skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Do we know what Dave Foster thinks of Gazza and our other keeper, Cropper if he's still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Because Fraser Forster is our first choice, Boruc won't play for us as much as he wants and if Forster gets injured we would recall Boruc from his loan. Boruc would get the game time he wants and he wouldn't need to move house and uproot his family. You sure there is a recall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 You sure there is a recall ? No recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 lols that looks ****e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 At least their fans will have yet another reason to be grateful to us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 No recall Cheers for confirming Art. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 If there is no recall then we should have sold him in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Even relegation to division three!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 No recall Then we are back to only one GK. Splendid news. Frazer could slip in the bath tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Bournemouth have got themselves a d#mn good keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 If there is no recall then we should have sold him in the summer. Exactly. So why did they price him out market? So he wouldn't end up at another epl club? He isn't going to cost them points playing against them at a championship club. They knew he wanted to play and wouldn't at saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Where did this "foreign clubs only" bit come in, it never used to be part of the Bosman regulations and originally players could negotiate with anyone? It's been around for a while, I'm just wondering what prompted it. I think this has been the case for some years, possibly as far back as Michael Owen negotiating a Bosman transfer to Real Madrid from Liverpool some time before the end of that particular season (which I guess would have been 2003/04, the season before they won the Champions League). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I think this has been the case for some years, possibly as far back as Michael Owen negotiating a Bosman transfer to Real Madrid from Liverpool some time before the end of that particular season (which I guess would have been 2003/04, the season before they won the Champions League). I thought Owen cost £8m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Splendid news. Frazer could slip in the bath tomorrow... True, a meteor could also fall on SMS. Where would that leave us!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOWSaintDaz Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Bompey must be loving it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Exactly. So why did they price him out market? So he wouldn't end up at another epl club? He isn't going to cost them points playing against them at a championship club. They knew he wanted to play and wouldn't at saints I'm glad he didn't go to another premiership club. I would have shipped him off abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 I am assuming that he will be starting on the bench. Surely Lee Camp deserves the right to keep his spot in the team without having a new signing come straight in and take it! That would be sooooo unfair !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Good luck to him, shame it's ended with this, such a waste in the Championship but then again a waste not even on our bench. God help us if Fraser gets crocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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