Are the media getting worried ?

Don't understand this thread.

 

There have been so many threads here with links to positive pieces about saints, that I've actually stopped clicking on them now because I've got bored with all of the repetitive articles on how we're doing everything right and that we are the model for other clubs to follow. We've become very popular with neutral fans too, so there's far more interest in us than I can remember in many years.

As far as pundits go, there always seems to be at least one on the panel that thinks we have a great chance of making it into Europe.

I'm with you on this thread, but not on the articles, next you'll start saying all this winning is boring and tedious

The only ones that will lose out financially IF we do well is the club we displace. The media will love a story like this (rags to riches) and then there will be articles of were it all went wrong for team X.

W....T....F ?????

Indeed. hypo has more than Seumas Milne comparisons in his locker when it comes to posting style.

That's being charitable.

Indeed. hypo has more than Seumas Milne comparisons in his locker when it comes to posting style.

 

That's being charitable.

It was the most tasteless, despicable diatribe I have seen on this site and he should have been permabanned for it.

Nah mate. Not my opinion.

 

You are claiming that journalists have a financial stake in what position a club comes in the league, or whether or not they make the Champions League. That just is not how it works.

 

You are then claiming that journalists are writing articles to make us perform less well, because it is in their own interest. Which just isn't true. Where even are these destabilising articles? Spurs are trying to recruit Mitchell? Heck, maybe they are indeed trying to sign him. That isn't an attempt to destabilise. Even if he doesn't go to Spurs, I'd think it's fairly certain that somebody somewhere will have passed that information onto the journalist. That could be for countless different reasons, but the chances of that being the journalist trying to destabilise the club to benefit themselves financially? Nah, not buying that.

 

Look at any Footy journalist on Twitter. Whatever they say or put out, there will be countless people clotting up their mentions saying how this journalist hates their club, has it in for them and will only be happy when they fail. It's nonsense.

Who's to say those teams aren't pressing/paying journalists to unearth and write negative articles against us?

It was the most tasteless, despicable diatribe I have seen on this site and he should have been permabanned for it.

He referred to another poster (me!) as "The Jimmy Savile child abuser of the year" in 2012. Should have possibly been banned for that too, but I didn't pursue it, largely because he does himself more damage and no-one takes him seriously anyway.

That was because I admitted to using corporal punishment on the kids back in the day.

Even dearly departed dune wasn't a fan.

He referred to another poster (me!) as "The Jimmy Savile child abuser of the year" in 2012. Should have possibly been banned for that too, but I didn't pursue it.

 

Even dearly departed dune wasn't a fan.

And that takes some doing!! Dune took no prisoners in those stakes. Not that I was on the forum at that time, obviously

Well, thats crap in my opinion.

 

The reporting on our success has been bemused, perhaps occasionally patronising.

 

Not like you to avoid getting a dig in, though.......

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AGAIN

100 %.

I think that there are those in the media who WANT us to fail as let's be honest the top 4-5 are established they sell papers, they sell more papers when their fans are happy and probably have a lot of ITK within the club to leak them little tid bits.

There are also, those in the media that realise that Saints and West Ham and Swansea doing EXCEPTIONALLY well will also be a good story but for how long?How many papers outside of our localised fan bases will they sell? And what sort of International Interest is there.

I also think there are some that will welcome this shake up of the top boys, and will delight in laughing at Spurs Liverweist and Arsenhole if we come out at the end of the season higher in the table than them. That is a story to sell the yanks, they love a Cinderella Story and to stick two fingers up at the arrogant tossers.

And some are Saints fans. A lot more than were two years ago.

If stoke wanted the head of recruitment from west ham it would not be reported anywhere.

Spurs wanting ours is being reported on either because we are 2nd or because we are a threat to the illuminatis plans.

It's probably because we are 2nd.

Who's to say those teams aren't pressing/paying journalists to unearth and write negative articles against us?

I spoke about this briefly the other (kind of). The way journalists come up with stories is often misrepresented by those not inside the 'media' (for want of a better word).

99.9% of stories, however spurious they may seem will come from someone. The idea that they just sit at their desk or in a coffee shop and think "I'm going to link player x to club y" is nonsense. Stories can come from players (most likely through agents of course, or family members etc) for myriad reasons, or they can from clubs, or 3rd party clubs for their own reasons. It would be extremely unethical for a journalist to pluck stories out of thin air. Yes, stories or info they receive may be passed on with an agenda (it usually is).

Now, claiming that journalists are pressured or even paid to write stories is a huge accusation. Journalists do take their job seriously, and they would find these accusations extremely offensive. It would serve them absolutely no purpose whatsoever, other than the few quid they may gain (which probably isn't going to be a great deal) an would put their career in serious jeopardy - proof of that would almost certainly end their career.

Why on earth would any journalist risk their career to drive an agenda against Saints? Much as I love Saints, the majority of the country really couldn't care about us. To many (rightly or wrongly), we are like Stoke, Hull or West Brom - relatively inoffensive teams that kind of just exist. They may talk about how good our academy is, or gosh they're well run or our fans are deluded etc. But really, we aren't a big draw. They have no reason to act in such a way and commit potential career suicide over us. We just aren't that important.

I seem to spend a bizarre amount of time discussing journalistic ethics at the minute. Pap may be one of the few people that understands why, it's odd

If stoke wanted the head of recruitment from west ham it would not be reported anywhere.

 

Spurs wanting ours is being reported on either because we are 2nd or because we are a threat to the illuminatis plans.

 

It's probably because we are 2nd.

No, it's because our recruitment has been a very important part of our success therefore it becomes a part of the story.

I spoke about this briefly the other (kind of). The way journalists come up with stories is often misrepresented by those not inside the 'media' (for want of a better word).

 

99.9% of stories, however spurious they may seem will come from someone. The idea that they just sit at their desk or in a coffee shop and think "I'm going to link player x to club y" is nonsense. Stories can come from players (most likely through agents of course, or family members etc) for myriad reasons, or they can from clubs, or 3rd party clubs for their own reasons. It would be extremely unethical for a journalist to pluck stories out of thin air. Yes, stories or info they receive may be passed on with an agenda (it usually is).

 

Now, claiming that journalists are pressured or even paid to write stories is a huge accusation. Journalists do take their job seriously, and they would find these accusations extremely offensive. It would serve them absolutely no purpose whatsoever, other than the few quid they may gain (which probably isn't going to be a great deal) an would put their career in serious jeopardy - proof of that would almost certainly end their career.

 

Why on earth would any journalist risk their career to drive an agenda against Saints? Much as I love Saints, the majority of the country really couldn't care about us. To many (rightly or wrongly), we are like Stoke, Hull or West Brom - relatively inoffensive teams that kind of just exist. They may talk about how good our academy is, or gosh they're well run or our fans are deluded etc. But really, we aren't a big draw. They have no reason to act in such a way and commit potential career suicide over us. We just aren't that important.

 

 

 

I seem to spend a bizarre amount of time discussing journalistic ethics at the minute. Pap may be one of the few people that understands why, it's odd

They would risk it cos they may get paid half decent money, you just don't know. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I have read all those articles about how stories come about, and I'm not saying they're making them up, more that they are making big deals out of stories that wouldn't appear if it weren't for those journalists.

They would risk it cos they may get paid half decent money, you just don't know. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

I have read all those articles about how stories come about, and I'm not saying they're making them up, more that they are making big deals out of stories that wouldn't appear if it weren't for those journalists.

Just because you think it happens doesn't mean it happens.

Secondly, it doesn't happen.

No, it's because our recruitment has been a very important part of our success therefore it becomes a part of the story.

Further to that, there has been a lot of discussion about Tottenham, their structure, the performance of Levy, Baldini & MP, their recruitment process, and the performance of the players they have purchased.

But nah, this is a story generated solely to destabilise Saints, derail their Champions League aims and line the pockets of them corrupt journos.

Further to that, there has been a lot of discussion about Tottenham, their structure, the performance of Levy, Baldini & MP, their recruitment process, and the performance of the players they have purchased.

 

But nah, this is a story generated solely to destabilise Saints, derail their Champions League aims and line the pockets of them corrupt journos.

Please, you talk about journalists like they are an ethically sound bunch of do-gooders that we know they are not.

They would risk it cos they may get paid half decent money, you just don't know. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

I have read all those articles about how stories come about, and I'm not saying they're making them up, more that they are making big deals out of stories that wouldn't appear if it weren't for those journalists.

Lol forever. I'm sorry mate, I do often agree with you, but this is getting daft now. You can't prove it doesn't happen. Well, no obviously not. It's nigh on impossible to prove a negative. All the information I have on the working of footy writers comes directly from a friend from primary school (about 20 years for me) that is a football writer. He has written for most papers as a freelancer, held a position at the Daily Mail and now currently writes for AS in Madrid. Please forgive me taking the word of someone in the industry over paranoid hunches.

Football writers are skint by and large. Most journalists are, there isn't great money in it - unless of course you do become one of the very few well known ones that make a name and get on tele loads and write books too. Even then they don't exactly make mega-bucks. These cash-for-stories accusations are just simply off the mark. It simply is not worth it to anyone involved; the club, the paper and most of all the writer.

Please, you talk about journalists like they are an ethically sound bunch of do-gooders that we know they are not.

Tabloid reporters (and even then far from the majority of them) operate in a pretty different way to sports writers.

Lol forever. I'm sorry mate, I do often agree with you, but this is getting daft now. You can't prove it doesn't happen. Well, no obviously not. It's nigh on impossible to prove a negative. All the information I have on the working of footy writers comes directly from a friend from primary school (about 20 years for me) that is a football writer. He has written for most papers as a freelancer, held a position at the Daily Mail and now currently writes for AS in Madrid. Please forgive me taking the word of someone in the industry over paranoid hunches.

 

Football writers are skint by and large. Most journalists are, there isn't great money in it - unless of course you do become one of the very few well known ones that make a name and get on tele loads and write books too. Even then they don't exactly make mega-bucks. These cash-for-stories accusations are just simply off the mark. It simply is not worth it to anyone involved; the club, the paper and most of all the writer.

So you say football writers don't earn much, you don't know that it doesn't happen or how much they would be paid, but they definitely wouldn't do it as journalists are an ethical bunch and its not worth their while? I just don't buy that. The fact they don't earn much makes me think it's more likely to be true.

Considering your friend works for AS, perhaps he can tell you how much journalists and editors for AS and Marca get leaned on to present stories in a pro Madrid or Barca way.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm playing devils advocate here.

Tabloid reporters (and even then far from the majority of them) operate in a pretty different way to sports writers.

I'm sure some of them do. I'm also sure some of them don't.

Please, you talk about journalists like they are an ethically sound bunch of do-gooders that we know they are not.

No he doesn't.

Journalists taking money from club X (which club, BTW? ) to write stories to "destabilise" Southampton's tilt at the Champions League is not really an issue "ethically", it would be an issue because it would be an utterly futile exhibition of utter bloody pointlessness.

Why the buggering hell would anyone bother with that? Pointless. Utterly pointless.

Southampton really isn't the centre of the universe you know.

No he doesn't.

 

Journalists taking money from club X (which club, BTW? ) to write stories to "destabilise" Southampton's tilt at the Champions League is not really an issue "ethically", it would be an issue because it would be an utterly futile exhibition of utter bloody pointlessness.

 

Why the buggering hell would anyone bother with that? Pointless. Utterly pointless.

 

Southampton really isn't the centre of the universe you know.

I disagree, I think the press could easily destabilise a club. All you need is to start questioning if the manager is going to leave, if players are going to leave, get the fans to start panicking etc and I think that could have an effect.

I disagree, I think the press could easily destabilise a club. All you need is to start questioning if the manager is going to leave, if players are going to leave, get the fans to start panicking etc and I think that could have an effect.

Who is paying which journalists to do this?

It ain't happening, son.

Who is paying which journalists to do this?

 

It ain't happening, son.

As said, I'm playing devils advocate, but as I said above I could see clubs paying journalists to write specific stories.

Aren't nearly all journalists paid?

Aren't nearly all journalists paid?

You like conspiracy theories Pap, it's not competely out of the realm of possibility is it?

So you say football writers don't earn much, you don't know that it doesn't happen or how much they would be paid, but they definitely wouldn't do it as journalists are an ethical bunch and its not worth their while? I just don't buy that. The fact they don't earn much makes me think it's more likely to be true.

 

Considering your friend works for AS, perhaps he can tell you how much journalists and editors for AS and Marca get leaned on to present stories in a pro Madrid or Barca way.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm playing devils advocate here.

The fact they are all skint kind of shows that they aren't all at it. I'm not going to sit and say no-one has ever taken money to write a story, obviously that would be daft. There is corruption in every industry. But, I see no evidence (hey, there was a huge scandal about journalists, their ethics and conduct recently - nothing much came out about clubs paying sports writers) and have heard nothing about it. The closest I've seen or been told about is clubs offering 'friendly' status to journo's and most are reluctant to accept that.

Yeah, football coverage in Spain is pretty much dominated by Barca & Real. I've spoken about this before too. My friend is only recently moved out to Spain, so hasn't come across it too much yet. It may not affect him so much, as he focuses mainly on the PL. But, that isn't really of great bearing on the British media. The entire Spanish football set up is pretty corrupt and massively skewed in favour of those two teams. That isn't the case here (as in UK, not Saints specific), some of the bigger clubs may receive more, though I'm not necessarily favourable coverage - but it's just a numbers game. The Sports section can only take up so much room, and in that only x% will be football. The papers pander to their audience, the bigger clubs have more fans. Heck, City are third and performing better than they were this time last season - yet they are supposedly in melt down. The big clubs get more coverage, sure, but I don't think that means it's all favourable.

Seriously though, have a look at some footy journos on Twitter. Whatever they say there will people coming out saying "you are trying to hurt us", "you've got an agenda", "everyone in the media is anti-club 'x'"

Look at this Stoke fan going through the same things:

Maybe the media just hate Red and White stripes?

You like conspiracy theories Pap, it's not competely out of the realm of possibility is it?

It's not even that difficult to imagine. It's a highly sought after profession, reputed to be difficult to get into, where your employer is likely to be a large commercially driven corporation. Assuming the obvious, that the large commercially driven corporations actually fancy making money, how best do they do that?

They try to go for the largest audience, naturally. Big club bias is effectively a product of commercial objectives, and I doubt many would disagree with me on that.

Wouldn't even say that was the end of it. If big clubs are important, papers will be looking for journos that can act as differentiators ( generators of "exclusives" ) in the trade. That's where it gets murky for me. It's not even a case of who-you-know vs what-you-know - it's more causal than that. What-you-know is often determined by who-you-know, or more accurately, who-you-know-that-will-speak-to-you. For me, that's where the big conflict of interest lies - the contest between getting exclusives and remaining impartial.

It is by no means constrained to football, either. The tech specialist press is actually worse.

EDIT: I'm not actually saying money is changing hands, but I do reckon that journos know where their bread is buttered.

How can they destabilise a champions league push where none really exists?

We won't finish top 4

We are keeping our run going, the Nov-Dec run doesnt look like it may turn out as catastrophic for us as hoped because all 3 teams are mis-firing, and the claim "we will fall away" is starting to look threadbare.

 

Lol and behold, with the elevated chance that one of the beloved "top 4" isnt going to the CL next year at out expense, the media start what is for me a concerted attempt to de-stabillise us again with stories about Koeman, Mitchell, Schneiderlin and Toby.

 

Its pathetic.

I hate it when the media or people dont give us the credit we deserve. Some just look for negatives in everything.

How can they destabilise a champions league push where none really exists?

 

We won't finish top 4

Well, thats crap in my opinion.

 

The reporting on our success has been bemused, perhaps occasionally patronising.

 

Not like you to avoid getting a dig in, though.......

Assume aimed at me? A dig cos you are irrational and post nonsense. you expected 100% agreement?

Don't tell me being down the running order on MOTD is a BBC plan make Koeman re-evaluate his position?

Man U will still receive far more coverage than we do, even if we finish third and they finish eighth - and so they should, they are tons bigger than we are with far more fans, far more interest. Same for Spurs and Liverpool. Liverpool in crisis is clickbait gold.

 

Basically that's how it should be - Saints are a provincial club with a local fanbase, the others are national clubs with huge global fanbases.

 

And it will also be true that BT Sport, as a business, will not want Saints in the Champions League - they've spent a fortune for next season and have got subs and advertising to sell - they would clearly want Liverpool in there, not us. Again, that's fine. If I was the BT Sport marketing director, so would I.

 

But that isn't the same as saying "the media" are trying to "destabilise us" so we don't finish top four, and it isn't true that the big clubs just get fawned over.

 

Basically the Saints fans on here seem to want us to be treated the same as big clubs, but ignore the fact that in general the big clubs get far more shi t from the media than any other clubs ever get. How many negative stories have you seen about Burnley this season? And how many about Liverpool?

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Okay, what "will happen when we start losing a few"?

 

Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and Man City have been "losing a few" all season and have copped no end of sh it from "the media".

 

It's really only nutcases on this forum that think the media "fawn over" the "beloved" big clubs.

 

Just goes to show the delicate flowers on this forum cannot actually cope with Saints being a top 4 club.

 

The big clubs day in, day out are on the receiving end relentless barrage of criticism, rumour, counter-rumour, conflicting agendas from agents, players, brokers, ex-players, ex-managers and anyone else with an opinion. Man United have has to put up with that crap for decades, as have Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and all the others. Week in, week out, season in, season out, for decades. 10, 20, 100 times more than Saints have ever, ever had to deal with.

 

We get a little story about one of our backroom staff possibly leaving to go to another club and we are being "de-stabilised".

 

What a fu cking joke. Man up.

Absolutely spot on. Most journalists, like most people, want us to do well.

The National Press like the top 6 to be the big guns - Chelsea, United, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs - always have done, sells more papers etc. You watch what happens as soon as we start losing a few.

 

I agree, it is pathetic but, in the words of our manager "that's football"

You know what ongoing football story has probably sold more papers than any other over the past year? The collapse of Manchester United.

The status quo is boring. It is exciting when it gets challenged.

Jeff's conspiracy is not even worth reading.

Don't think the media have it in for us.........but there is a certain bias toward the so called big 4. So now you have Saints and WHU!!! who might upset the apple cart.......that ain't how its supposed to be LOL.

Lets just enjoy the ride and see where we are come the end of the season.

Don't want to say anything about the yids the chairman's name says it all

Just my opinion.

I think folks are seeing what they want to see. The media just likes stirring; a stable environment where nothing changes and nothing happens is an anathema to them. I don't think they take one particular side or team over another unless they see a story in it - a chance to make something happen.

Spurs going for our players would make something happen. It's a story. If Mitchell turned them down and stayed, the story would be that the rejection weakened Pochettino and would spark a crisis for Spurs. There would be no "agenda" other than the deliberate pursuit of a story for the sake of a story. We seem to think that the media is out to get us. I just think that (given our size) negative stories have always been easier to find and pursue.

When the press are used so critically to undermine political figures and parties, why couldn't they also be used to hinder the progress of an unfashionable team threatening the major players?

Absolutely spot on. Most journalists, like most people, want us to do well.

 

 

 

You know what ongoing football story has probably sold more papers than any other over the past year? The collapse of Manchester United.

 

The status quo is boring. It is exciting when it gets challenged.

 

Jeff's conspiracy is not even worth reading.

I'm not saying a lot of journalists don't want us to do well, I just believe a lot don't as well.

See today's story, Pochettino to bid £35m for Morgan and Jay Rod. Another negative story about us.

See today's story, Pochettino to bid £35m for Morgan and Jay Rod. Another negative story about us.

That's to keep the Spur's fans happy: there's no way Morgan would go there, IMHO.

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Assume aimed at me? A dig cos you are irrational and post nonsense. you expected 100% agreement?

Don't tell me being down the running order on MOTD is a BBC plan make Koeman re-evaluate his position?

Then you assumed wrong.

It was aimed at Saints Web's Casey Ryback.

That's to keep the Spur's fans happy: there's no way Morgan would go there, IMHO.

Maybe, or trying to unsettle both Morgan and Jay Rod again.

Maybe, or trying to unsettle both Morgan and Jay Rod again.

But why, apart from money, would they want to leave what's currently the second most successful club in England with a great manager, superb training facilities and tremendous leadership, vision and organisation for the dysfunctional mess that is Spurs?

But why, apart from money, would they want to leave what's currently the second most successful club in England with a great manager, superb training facilities and tremendous leadership, vision and organisation for the dysfunctional mess that is Spurs?

I think you nailed it 5 words in.

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Interesting!!

We are keeping our run going, the Nov-Dec run doesnt look like it may turn out as catastrophic for us as hoped because all 3 teams are mis-firing, and the claim "we will fall away" is starting to look threadbare.

 

Lol and behold, with the elevated chance that one of the beloved "top 4" isnt going to the CL next year at out expense, the media start what is for me a concerted attempt to de-stabillise us again with stories about Koeman, Mitchell, Schneiderlin and Toby.

 

Its pathetic.

"The media" don't give a toss where we finish as long as they can write stories about something or other.

There's big business in writing or making tv news for the largest audience, which within the Prem is for the big clubs with the biggest fanbases - and their plastics love to hear stories about how they're going to take players from other clubs because it affirms their support for the big club which they have no other affiliation to.

Within that element of "the media", there are maybe 2 or 3 journalists whose sources lead them to write articles or make tv stories which Saints fans don't like, for whatever agenda they're pursuing, or whichever editorial corner they've painted themselves into.

However, claiming it's a global news conspiracy is a teeny bit bonkers.

I'm not saying a lot of journalists don't want us to do well, I just believe a lot don't as well.

 

See today's story, Pochettino to bid £35m for Morgan and Jay Rod. Another negative story about us.

Just weeks after every paper in the land reported that we lost 1-0 to Tottenham! Another negative story!

Just weeks after every paper in the land reported that we lost 1-0 to Tottenham! Another negative story!

You're getting the hang of this.

One thing I would say is that, regarding the paper selling theory... The quickest and easiest way of the media selling more papers is to report hot topics. Us being 2nd and upsetting the status quo is a hot topic. The media love bandwagons. They love jumping from one current issue to the next (because it sells papers as its "fresh" news; look at how crisis etc are reported for a week or so and then they move onto the next one, despite the fact the other ones aren't over (e.g. ebola and every other big story ever). The thing I would have thought they would hate is stale, dreary, week in week out the same, as then there's no point buying a paper as you already know what will most likely happen. So why would they waste effort trying to manipulate (and I find it ridiculous that this is even a theory) the football results so that it always stays the same... I would have thought they would be loving what's going on. No one would buy a paper if it said, "chelsea, utd and city all win as predicted against mid-table teams". They would be more interested if it said, "saints increase gap between 2nd and 3rd place in surprise hunt for title and champions league whilst spuds slump to 4th home loss from 6". Not too difficult to see which is more interesting and different from the norm and hence which will generate more interest. Still I fully accept its subjective...

With regards to the spuds related spiel. Is there any chance any of you have considered the reason there's a lot of press related to us and spuds, e.g. buying our recruitment guy and morgan jrod etc, is because its to do with spuds' atrocious start to the season (what with them being a popular club... for some reason, yet to see it ) and what they're going to do about it? Its easy to look at everything from a saints viewpoint when you're a saints fan. But I don't think any other supporters are going, oh, another anti-saints story. I think they're going, oh, spuds are trying to get out of the hole they're in... good f*ckin luck (unless its a spuds fan in which case who knows what they think ).

So why would they waste effort trying to manipulate (and I find it ridiculous that this is even a theoryP).

It isn't though. Just a few crazies, one of whom does not have the ability to keep positive.

I do wonder if they are equally unbalanced seeing conspiracies at every turn in other areas of their lives.

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