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Just after some advice...

 

The owners of the house 2 down from us moved out about 9 months ago and have since rented their house out to a group of lads who work in various building sites in the city.

 

They are an absolute nightmare. The police have been called on them numerous times, they have drunk driven around the estate we live in and ploughed into someones car...stolen a little girls bike, scared off the group of toddlers when they were schit faced from the small central garden area we have out front. generally loud at 3am at least once a week

 

We have told the owners who do NOT want anything to do with it. As far as the owners are concerned they are good tenants as they pay their rent on time and never an issue on that front etc. It is a shame as the owners are(were) good friends with everyone. But they have bought a huge house and admittedly, need to the one they have left rented to the max to cover their costs etc...

 

Every single week, the neighbours around us (inc us) complain but now are going to start calling the police/environmental types....

 

Any other experience neighbours like this..or even owners of properties who clearly do not give a damn

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Why do you think the landlord is responsible for the behaviour of his tenant(s)?

 

I actually don't. More so out of courtesy on their friends in what is a lovely new estate. The immediate next door neighbour to their (old) house was the best man at their wedding. Now, they do not care of the chaos the tenants in the hosue they have let out cause...just a shame really

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I actually don't. More so out of courtesy on their friends in what is a lovely new estate. The immediate next door neighbour to their (old) house was the best man at their wedding. Now, they do not care of the chaos the tenants in the hosue they have let out cause...just a shame really

 

Frankly, it's nothing to do with the landlord!

 

If they have broken the law or are causing a public nuisance then the police are the only people who can deal with it!

 

Do you think the owners of your mortgage are responsible for your behaviour? They're not, they're bothered about whether or not you pay your mortgage in the same way the landlord is only bothered about whether the rent is paid - and I guess also about whether the house is maintained in 'good order'. Everything else is not their concern!

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Why do you think the landlord is responsible for the behaviour of his tenant(s)?

 

Beacuse Landlord's will/should have a tenancy agreement with their tenants which will require them to behave in a manner that does not adversely effect the community around the landlord's property. The Landlord is running a business and any business should not disrupt the lives of those that have top live near it.

 

Complain to the local authority about the tenants behavoir, make sure you specify that this is an anti-social behavoir complaint. The LA will have powers to serve notice on both the tenants (and the landlord, if the landlord is refusing to enforce their tenancy agreement).

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Beacuse Landlord's will/should have a tenancy agreement with their tenants which will require them to behave in a manner that does not adversely effect the community around the landlord's property. The Landlord is running a business and any business should not disrupt the lives of those that have top live near it.

 

Complain to the local authority about the tenants behavoir, make sure you specify that this is an anti-social behavoir complaint. The LA will have powers to serve notice on both the tenants (and the landlord, if the landlord is refusing to enforce their tenancy agreement).

You just made most of that up, didn't you

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You just made most of that up, didn't you

 

Lifted from a legal advice website (It's Scottish but the law is the same in England):

 

"If private landlords do not respond to complaints of antisocial behaviour in relation to their tenants, occupiers or visitors to the property they own, the local authority can serve an antisocial behaviour notice (ASBN) on the landlord. An ASBN will set out steps that the landlord must take in order to tackle the antisocial behaviour.

 

If the private landlord does not take these steps, the local authority can do a number of things, including obtaining a rent penalty order or a management control order. A rent penalty order means that no rent is payable on the property until the landlord addresses the problem of antisocial behaviour. A management control order means that the local authority takes over the landlord’s functions in relation to the property. In extreme cases, the local authority can refer the landlord to the Procurator Fiscal for prosecution as it is a criminal offence to fail to comply with an antisocial behaviour notice."

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Just after some advice...

 

The owners of the house 2 down from us moved out about 9 months ago and have since rented their house out to a group of lads who work in various building sites in the city.

 

They are an absolute nightmare. The police have been called on them numerous times, they have drunk driven around the estate we live in and ploughed into someones car...stolen a little girls bike, scared off the group of toddlers when they were schit faced from the small central garden area we have out front. generally loud at 3am at least once a week

 

We have told the owners who do NOT want anything to do with it. As far as the owners are concerned they are good tenants as they pay their rent on time and never an issue on that front etc. It is a shame as the owners are(were) good friends with everyone. But they have bought a huge house and admittedly, need to the one they have left rented to the max to cover their costs etc...

 

Every single week, the neighbours around us (inc us) complain but now are going to start calling the police/environmental types....

 

Any other experience neighbours like this..or even owners of properties who clearly do not give a damn

 

I wouldn't go calling the plod or the environmental types, my mate says if you do that then it is logged and when you go to flog your house it will show up on the environmental search.

 

I would get them back using mild neighbourly terrorism, for example you could find out one of their names and arrange a delivery of gay porn. Start with things like that, things that will **** with their heads.

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Lifted from a legal advice website (It's Scottish but the law is the same in England):

 

"If private landlords do not respond to complaints of antisocial behaviour in relation to their tenants, occupiers or visitors to the property they own, the local authority can serve an antisocial behaviour notice (ASBN) on the landlord. An ASBN will set out steps that the landlord must take in order to tackle the antisocial behaviour.

 

If the private landlord does not take these steps, the local authority can do a number of things, including obtaining a rent penalty order or a management control order. A rent penalty order means that no rent is payable on the property until the landlord addresses the problem of antisocial behaviour. A management control order means that the local authority takes over the landlord’s functions in relation to the property. In extreme cases, the local authority can refer the landlord to the Procurator Fiscal for prosecution as it is a criminal offence to fail to comply with an antisocial behaviour notice."

 

Technically scottish law and english law is different

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Tenancy agreements typically will have clauses in them stating the tenants have a responsibility to their neighbours, not to make noise after 11 pm and that sort of thing. Suspect you would need to get the police involved so that any complaints are officially logged. Do you know who the letting agent is as they should be monitoring and reporting on any tenats who are not adhering to the terms of their lease.

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I had a call from ex-neighbours about our tenants. The lad had been chased back by the police whilst carrying a a meat cleaver. Couldn't have evicted them on that basis, took 6 months to get them out after they stopped paying rent. Truly hacked off with the estate agent who supposedly carried out reference checks - the tenants said they were company directors when they were on housing benefit.

 

Even with the best will in the world, the landlords have got their hands tied.

 

I think the standard advice is to write down all the incidents and keep reporting to environmental services (or whatever they're called), and to keep records of those reports. Then keep going to the police with the report til you wear them down and they might actually do something.

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Tenancy agreements typically will have clauses in them stating the tenants have a responsibility to their neighbours, not to make noise after 11 pm and that sort of thing. Suspect you would need to get the police involved so that any complaints are officially logged. Do you know who the letting agent is as they should be monitoring and reporting on any tenats who are not adhering to the terms of their lease.

 

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I wouldn't go calling the plod or the environmental types, my mate says if you do that then it is logged and when you go to flog your house it will show up on the environmental search.

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I have heard this - we had a neighbour who moved out and let his place - it was a nightmare - parties during the week until the small hours, parking on our drive, etc . I grit my teeth as we were selling the house and I didn't want to affect the sale, but several times my eminently more sensible wife had to stop my going round to have a word when I finally reached my wits end.

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im a landlord, and agree with most of the above. as long as the tenant is paying the rent and not trashing the place it sort of stops there. the neighbours may not like it being rented, but unless they want to pay me the rent money instead, they can do one. and it is very very difficult to get a tenant out in those sort of circumstances even if you wanted to

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You just made most of that up, didn't you

 

Nope sorry to disappoint.

 

I'm personally aware of sucessful notices that have been served on landlords, particularly where the tenant population has been know to be variable/transient, but where problems are persistant. Unfortunately probably can't say much more than that without discussing specific cases.

 

Additionally some of the various new powers under the Crime and Anti-social behaviour Act 2014, would be able to be used against Landlords, if they were deemed to acting (or failing to act) where there was a detriment effect on the quality of life for the local community.

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and it is very very difficult to get a tenant out in those sort of circumstances even if you wanted to

 

Actually you don't need a reason to serve them an S.21 notice to quit, although it may well be a hassle if they don't observe it and you have to return to the court.

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Just an update,

Where I live, the environmental health lot informed me that the owners are FULLY responsible (with their tenants) due to the fact, myself and our neighbours have copies of emails of the owners acknowledging the anti-social behaviour and that they are not bothered as long as they pay the rent on time etc.

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Do you live in Southampton?

 

If so, the local planning requires a landlord to apply for a change of planning if converting a family home into an HMO (home of multiple occupancy). The HMO being a home with three members or more from different families. Landlords cannot do this without due permission and the local authority has the ultimate right to board the house up (although it seldom goes this far).

 

Might be worth checking if there is anything similar in your neck of the woods

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Do you live in Southampton?

 

If so, the local planning requires a landlord to apply for a change of planning if converting a family home into an HMO (home of multiple occupancy). The HMO being a home with three members or more from different families. Landlords cannot do this without due permission and the local authority has the ultimate right to board the house up (although it seldom goes this far).

 

Might be worth checking if there is anything similar in your neck of the woods

 

that rule is the same here (in the south west). not sure if the owners have done this.

nice to hear the council are adamant that as the owners are on record in acknowledging their noisy tenants and the response is that of that they pay their rent, 'so what'...they are as culpable as the guy living there

 

we shall see how it goes

 

 

interestingly, are you able to find if the property has the permission of the local authority to rent as they do...via the council or anything?

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that rule is the same here (in the south west). not sure if the owners have done this.

nice to hear the council are adamant that as the owners are on record in acknowledging their noisy tenants and the response is that of that they pay their rent, 'so what'...they are as culpable as the guy living there

 

we shall see how it goes

 

 

interestingly, are you able to find if the property has the permission of the local authority to rent as they do...via the council or anything?

 

Yes, via the Planning Department at the local authority. Most of my communication with Southampton City Council was done via email. It's a generic email address typically, but eventually it ends up on someone's desk. The rule here is no more than 10% of houses can be HMO within a certain meterage of the street (40 metres I think, but I may be wrong).

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that rule is the same here (in the south west). not sure if the owners have done this.

nice to hear the council are adamant that as the owners are on record in acknowledging their noisy tenants and the response is that of that they pay their rent, 'so what'...they are as culpable as the guy living there

 

we shall see how it goes

 

 

interestingly, are you able to find if the property has the permission of the local authority to rent as they do...via the council or anything?

 

Camden in the South West now is it?

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