VectisSaint Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 I thought he was injured at the moment?! Is he genuinely not getting on the bench ahead of the others then? He was on the bench Saturday, but not Wenesday. He is not injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 (edited) Oh and 'another crap performance.' How many times have we been beaten like that this season? In fact we have just had a really good run of results, but one terrible result and all of a sudden Alpine's doom and gloom is acceptable? 3 crap performances to be more precise, even if the City result was expected. Some of the previous performances were also crap, at least in parts Edited 4 December, 2015 by VectisSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 Just shows how shockingly poor he Is, he can't even get on the bench . The bizarre attitude isn't with the ones who agree with the manager , but the ones who hang onto this deluded dream that he's actually a good player . There are 3 explanations for his lack of game time . 1. You & other Gastonettes know more about football than Poch & Ron . 2. Poch & Ron actually think he's really good , but can't or won't play him . 3. He's a shocking waste of money who is incapable of having a career in the premiership . Plus he was also so brilliant at Hull he kept them up, was the first name on the teamsheet, they moved heaven and earth to sign him......oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 3 crap performances to be more precise, even if the City result was exoected. Some of the previous oerformances were also crap, at least in parts We weren't crap in the second half against City. And lets forget Chelsea shall we or the decent run we had earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 We weren't crap in the second half against City. And lets forget Chelsea shall we or the decent run we had earlier. No-one is forgetting Chelsea, and you are right we weren't crap for about 20 minutes of the 2nd half against City. But we were crap in the start of that match and lost it as a result, we were crap against Stoke, we were crap 2nd half against Bournemouth and we were crap against Leicester 2nd half. Oh and Manu we were crap apart from the beginning and end. In some cases we got decent results despite crap performances, but no-one was discussing results, Alpine specifically mentioned performances not results. Alpine is not wide of the mark, but then its Alpine and even when he posts something reasonable he gets shouted down because his reputation goes before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/transfernews/6860380/Southampton-transfer-news-Daddy-Ramirez-cool-on-Bologna-move.html SOUTHAMPTON might be able to offload Gaston Ramirez once the new dad gets a good night’s sleep. The Uruguayan playmaker seems surplus to requirements at St Mary’s under Ronald Koeman and was loaned out to Hull last season. This season the 25-year-old has made just three sub appearances in the Premier League, totting up to just 28 minutes of action, but he has no interest in moving just yet with a growing family on the South Coast Ramirez moved to the club from Bologna in 2012 and the Serie A side have been ready and willing to take him back ever since. The Italian club claim they have had permission to speak to the schemer but he’s unlikely to move this month with late-night feeds and dirty nappies higher on his agenda. “I already called Ramirez once, in agreement with the club, to see how he was and ask what he wanted to do in future, seeing as we’d like to begin negotiations,” Bologna boss Marco Di Vaio said. “He replied that at the moment he is concentrated on the birth of his first child. He is training well, but we did not set any deadlines.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Middlesbrough want him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Middlesbrough want him too. Link ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Link ? Seeing as you asked so nicely: http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/middlesbrough-to-hold-talks-with-entourage-of-southampton-player- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Seeing as you asked so nicely: http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/middlesbrough-to-hold-talks-with-entourage-of-southampton-player- Cheers, Would be a good signing for them. Interesting one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/transfernews/6860380/Southampton-transfer-news-Daddy-Ramirez-cool-on-Bologna-move.html Its all becoming largely irrelevant given he will be gone in a few weeks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Only still here for the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Only still here for the money I read somwhere £65k / week .. not bad for doing training sessions at Staplewood every week. No wonder he's in no hurry to move. ....anyone know when the baby's due? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 I read somwhere £65k / week .. not bad for doing training sessions at Staplewood every week. No wonder he's in no hurry to move. ....anyone know when the baby's due? Don't be surprised to see part of the money we've saved on Caulker go into his pay off (it's been hinted at to me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Don't be surprised to see part of the money we've saved on Caulker go into his pay off (it's been hinted at to me) Any possible incoming noises Guan or has RK been told to use what he has! Interested to see how the 'Future' meeting went the other day! Spirit looked fantastic last night so sounds positive! Still think a new face may help though esp if we get more injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Gaston's Agent says he is going to join Bologna next week. http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F78378%2Fgaston-ramirez-bologna-next-week#article/footballitalia-78378 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Its quite possible that on top of his £70K a week wages that he will get to May, there is also a signing on bonus lingering in between now and then. So i really cant see him going anywhere that will match losing any of that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Gaston's Agent says he is going to join Bologna next week. http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F78378%2Fgaston-ramirez-bologna-next-week#article/footballitalia-78378 So even though he's barely played, does this mean we'll be looking for a new "No.10"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 So even though he's barely played, does this mean we'll be looking for a new "No.10"? you would hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 you would hope so Ziyech please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Gaston's Agent says he is going to join Bologna next week. http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F78378%2Fgaston-ramirez-bologna-next-week#article/footballitalia-78378 FootballItalia posted that story 5 minutes after I did! The info didn't stay in the club very long at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 FootballItalia posted that story 5 minutes after I did! The info didn't stay in the club very long at all! Hardly suprising considering someone posting it on a public forum!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Still getting a lot of @gasramirez10 to Bologna tweets. As I said, led to believe not over yet. Games are being played by all #SaintsFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassesbloke Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Bologna paper Il Resto del Carlino had a very detailed article (http://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/bologna/bologna-ramirez-1.1646957) yesterday. Maybe someone with better Italian can check, but as I read the article, Bologna are offering a three year contract with 700k Euros per season plus bonuses - seems Gaston wants at least double. Ball is now in Bologna's court, ie try again or withdraw. Article claims even their offer is less this season than the 2m Euros he'd get at Saints by staying put until June, and that Besiktas would pay 1.5m but would prefer Bologna if they could more or less match it. Other expressions of interest include PAOK, Cruz Azul of Mexico, and 'Boro. As Saint Charlie says, there are games going on, and maybe Gaston has a talkative agent - but I also get a feeling he is more motivated by the cash than anything else. He may therefore just sit tight until June so, if we're losing, Ron can give him ten minutes on the field some time, to make no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 To get rid of Ramirez wages and replace with Austin's is a good deal. Hopefully we can offload in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 To get rid of Ramirez wages and replace with Austin's is a good deal. Hopefully we can offload in Jan. Last night you didn't want us to sign him what's changed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Last night you didn't want us to sign him what's changed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm not against signing him. But not sure he is as good as some think, and he also has injury concerns. Will certainly contribute more than Ramirez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 To get rid of Ramirez wages and replace with Austin's is a good deal. Hopefully we can offload in Jan. Except if the move goes ahead, we'll be paying off most of Gaston's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Except if the move goes ahead, we'll be paying off most of Gaston's... Why would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Why would we? No transfer request + He'll earn less money on his new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 To be fair to Gaston he's got his head down and still trains even though he's hardly got a look in. Yes I know he's on a shedload of cash but he seems to be a nice enough chap and just doing whats best for him and his family. I really hope he goes to Middlesbrough or Swansea and does well. Also hope he goes there without getting a pay off also which seems unlikely. Be a good signing for both of them IMO. Swansea are lacking goals and need them to stay up and Middlesbrough are always going to dominate the ball and have teams sit back on them for the rest of the season so he will be able to help break teams down for them with that killer pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/41767/? Also the bit in this article is not true is it? "like any player who has not technically asked for a move he is in a strong position in that he is entitled to have his contract paid up if he is sold, in practice that rarely happens with the selling club & player usually settling on a figure somewhere inbetween 0 and the full amount of the contract." It's the loyalty bonus that's due to a player not the whole contract . Yeah we just sold you with 4 years left on your contract (Lallana) so we're gonna pay all those years to you in one sum before you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 Bologna paper Il Resto del Carlino had a very detailed article (http://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/bologna/bologna-ramirez-1.1646957) yesterday. Maybe someone with better Italian can check, but as I read the article, Bologna are offering a three year contract with 700k Euros per season plus bonuses - seems Gaston wants at least double. Ball is now in Bologna's court, ie try again or withdraw. Article claims even their offer is less this season than the 2m Euros he'd get at Saints by staying put until June, and that Besiktas would pay 1.5m but would prefer Bologna if they could more or less match it. Other expressions of interest include PAOK, Cruz Azul of Mexico, and 'Boro. As Saint Charlie says, there are games going on, and maybe Gaston has a talkative agent - but I also get a feeling he is more motivated by the cash than anything else. He may therefore just sit tight until June so, if we're losing, Ron can give him ten minutes on the field some time, to make no difference. Depends on the bonuses of course but 700K € is nothing really. 10K £ a week(ish) Can't see him falling over himself to take that sort of contract up until his current one either runs out or is paid up in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 I wish he'd just p*ss off. Most expensive mistake in Saints history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 I wish he'd just p*ss off. Most expensive mistake in Saints history. More expensive than Osvaldo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 I wish he'd just p*ss off. Most expensive mistake in Saints history. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 I wish he'd just p*ss off. Most expensive mistake in Saints history. That has to be Osvaldo?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 (edited) Yep not as expensive as Osvaldo, was actually with us for than 6 months and hasn't been a complete see you next tuesday. Edited 20 January, 2016 by Saint IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 Wages ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 Didn't we pay off Osvaldos contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 I wish he'd just p*ss off. Most expensive mistake in Saints history. Me too. I wish that instead of signing for us, he'd used his powers of clairvoyance and looked a couple of years into the future, seen that he wouldn't be able to pin down a first team place, and then done the right thing by refusing the move. What he's doing by turning up for work, training and then not getting picked for the match day squad is basically immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 Didn't we pay off Osvaldos contract? I'm sure I read that we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 I'm sure I read that we did. I thought I read it as not being the whole lot, just a hey lets be sensible here. Sort of we will pay you X, end your contract, give you your registration, you're a free agent clear to make what you can signing on with some other sucke...... uh football club. all strings cut. ............... Oh and Don't let the door bang on your @R$e on the way out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 No way did we pay off the whole value of Osvaldo's contract. We will never know, but I am confident Gash has cost us a whole lot more, since he has hung around the club like a rotten fart for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 "like any player who has not technically asked for a move he is in a strong position in that he is entitled to have his contract paid up if he is sold, in practice that rarely happens with the selling club & player usually settling on a figure somewhere inbetween 0 and the full amount of the contract." What makes anyone think we are going to sell Ramirez? He is out of contract in June, he is free to talk to other clubs now, if someone is willing to sign him then he will probably go with no fee, and no paying up his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-linked-Southampton-s-Gaston-Ramirez/story-28569013-detail/story.html Swansea???? They apparently are also interested in Tony Valhena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 . Be a good signing for both of them IMO. Swansea are lacking goals and need them to stay up . Like he was for Hull last season , how did his " efforts" there go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 No way did we pay off the whole value of Osvaldo's contract. We will never know, but I am confident Gash has cost us a whole lot more, since he has hung around the club like a rotten fart for years. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/01/southampton-dani-osvaldo-terminate-contract It's about the same, they both cost about £25m to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-linked-Southampton-s-Gaston-Ramirez/story-28569013-detail/story.html Swansea???? They apparently are also interested in Tony Valhena I think it would be good if he goes to Swansea as post-Shelvey, they've likely got the cash to pay all of his wages. I imagine it would be a loan until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 January, 2016 Share Posted 20 January, 2016 We will never know, but I am confident Gash has cost us a whole lot more, since he has hung around the club like a rotten fart for years. Charming as always... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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