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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Lol, my point being the *media* didn't go instantly mental over it. And I don't see a thread about it on here either.

    As for true colours, considering the intense negative scrutiny he's been under for the last four or so years those colours have been surprisingly well hidden. I know I would've snapped much sooner. I'm surprised he hasnt gone full Prescott on occasion.
    The media could not get enough of pleb-gate


    Anyway, jezza never said it. Like he never met the IRA or he never participated in the wreath laying, or is absolutely not an antisemite.

    He is a fine, truthful and kind politician
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    Our Jez is out and about today. Heís travelling round highlighting the prices and overcrowding of our trains. Overcrowding is certainly an issue, especially when selfish ****s use a seat for their rucksack.




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    Grayling what a spineless bast ard. Trying to blame the unions and the workers for the price hike.
    Man up you weak weak man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Grayling what a spineless bast ard. Trying to blame the unions and the workers for the price hike.
    Man up you weak weak man.
    What Grayling meant was "the selfish staff should take another below inflation rise". This press release from 2017 reckons rail fare have risen twice as fast as wages since 2010.
    https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rail-far...fast-as-wages/

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    Someone’s got to pay for their pay rises.

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    Itís a deliberate policy. Tories believe the people who use the railways should contribute more, whereas labour believe the tax payer should make a bigger contribution. The poorest use railways the least, so making passengers pay more is a more progressive funding model. However, when youíre becoming a middle class metropolitan party, getting ordinary joes to subsidise rail travel is appealing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Itís a deliberate policy. Tories believe the people who use the railways should contribute more, whereas labour believe the tax payer should make a bigger contribution. The poorest use railways the least, so making passengers pay more is a more progressive funding model. However, when youíre becoming a middle class metropolitan party, getting ordinary joes to subsidise rail travel is appealing.


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    We are funding Bransonís space ego trip. Heís even been caught saying no way they can ever lose money on way deal structured. But hey look the guards getting paid way too much. Still might as well say it when fodder like yourself lap it all up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    It’s a deliberate policy. Tories believe the people who use the railways should contribute more, whereas labour believe the tax payer should make a bigger contribution. The poorest use railways the least, so making passengers pay more is a more progressive funding model. However, when you’re becoming a middle class metropolitan party, getting ordinary joes to subsidise rail travel is appealing.
    The whole Tory economic policy is predicated on a flexible, mobile workforce. A pre-requisite for that is an an effective transport system, both roads and rail - yet delays and lack of capacity are common on both. A broken transport policy is exacerbated by a broken housing policy which means people cant afford to live near where they work because where affordable housing is is usually diametrically opposed to where the well paid jobs are. Whichever way you look at it, its another Tory failure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    It’s a deliberate policy. Tories believe the people who use the railways should contribute more, whereas labour believe the tax payer should make a bigger contribution. The poorest use railways the least, so making passengers pay more is a more progressive funding model. However, when you’re becoming a middle class metropolitan party, getting ordinary joes to subsidise rail travel is appealing.


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    Thanks to the Tories' policy of privatisation, 70% of our railways are now owned by foreign states, meaning that a good chunk of the profit they make from over-charging British passengers goes directly into subsidising their own state-owned railway systems.

    https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/70-of-uk...oreign-states/

    Let's see you try and defend that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bexy View Post
    Thanks to the Tories' policy of privatisation, 70% of our railways are now owned by foreign states, meaning that a good chunk of the profit they make from over-charging British passengers goes directly into subsidising their own state-owned railway systems.

    https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/70-of-uk...oreign-states/

    Let's see you try and defend that.
    Itís fine, Labour will buy all that back. Somehow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    Itís fine, Labour will buy all that back. Somehow.
    They donít need to. Simply let the franchises expire one by one. Zero cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabbage_Face View Post
    It’s fine, Labour will buy all that back. Somehow.


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    It was never sold in the first place. It was just offered out to franchise. When the contracts end, the services can be brought back into state control without the need to buy anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    They donít need to. Simply let the franchises expire one by one. Zero cost
    Yeah, zero cost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    They donít need to. Simply let the franchises expire one by one. Zero cost
    The worst part of the Railway system is Rail track, which is basically owned by the state. If you think the Government can make money from running railways, youíre deluded. Itíll end up in a circle of increased taxes, reduced investment, poorer services. Until a proper Tory Government privatise it again.

    John Major made a complete balls up of privatisation, but itís far superior than BR. Fares are going up because the Tories want the travelling public to contribute more, Labour will need the tax payer to do so. Either way, someone pays. Why should the poor subsidise the season ticket of a guy commuting to London from leafy stockbroker belt Surrey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    The worst part of the Railway system is Rail track, which is basically owned by the state. If you think the Government can make money from running railways, youíre deluded. Itíll end up in a circle of increased taxes, reduced investment, poorer services. Until a proper Tory Government privatise it again.

    John Major made a complete balls up of privatisation, but itís far superior than BR. Fares are going up because the Tories want the travelling public to contribute more, Labour will need the tax payer to do so. Either way, someone pays. Why should the poor subsidise the season ticket of a guy commuting to London from leafy stockbroker belt Surrey.


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    I can't wait for all these poor people to pay for my train ticket.

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    If you can recall BritshRail before privatisation you would never contemplate the state owning it again. Sadly it seems there is this fantasy that the state can run the rail ay better or efficiently that a private company. The extra money needed to subsidise this wonderful new rail network will have to come from somewhere. Oh yes squeeze the rich, or borrow more. Lets burden the future generations so that they have to struggle to pay for our comfort now.
    Personally I use South West trains and find their service very good. Clean safe and normally very punctual. Ok I dont use it during rush hour but it seems fine to me. As another has mentioned, the majority of the travellers are commuting to well paid jobs and so why should others pay for that? Perhaps there should be special rates for the key and low paid workers rather than all. You cant just wait for the franchises to end and just take it on,as far as Im aware you have to purchase all the rolling stock etc , take on the staff or pay off their contracts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    I can't wait for all these poor people to pay for my train ticket.
    You work in London for better pay locally I assume, therefore why should the man in the street pay for that privilege?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    The worst part of the Railway system is Rail track, which is basically owned by the state. If you think the Government can make money from running railways, youíre deluded. Itíll end up in a circle of increased taxes, reduced investment, poorer services. Until a proper Tory Government privatise it again.

    John Major made a complete balls up of privatisation, but itís far superior than BR. Fares are going up because the Tories want the travelling public to contribute more, Labour will need the tax payer to do so. Either way, someone pays. Why should the poor subsidise the season ticket of a guy commuting to London from leafy stockbroker belt Surrey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Not one person on here has claimed no subsidies are needed or that railways were under funded prior to privatisation . The trend is downwards despite major investment by the franchises, this would be reversed if rail fares were capped or reduced. Either more public money would be needed, or less investment would be forthcoming. If you believe the Government would maintain the level of investment, whilst reducing fares, youíre deluded. The squeeze on public money will come as sure as night follows days, Corbyns has too many promises to honour.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldNick View Post
    You work in London for better pay locally I assume, therefore why should the man in the street pay for that privilege?
    I was clearly joking. I don't think that should happen, at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Not one person on here has claimed no subsidies are needed or that railways were under funded prior to privatisation . The trend is downwards despite major investment by the franchises, this would be reversed if rail fares were capped or reduced. Either more public money would be needed, or less investment would be forthcoming. If you believe the Government would maintain the level of investment, whilst reducing fares, you’re deluded. The squeeze on public money will come as sure as night follows days, Corbyns has too many promises to honour.


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    How do you feel about the 1 billion pounds given to shareholders Duckie?

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    https://twitter.com/TheGolem_/status...906493440?s=19

    Obviously film of him saying things from his own mouth in person is nothing but a smear.

    What an utter fu cking cretin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    https://twitter.com/TheGolem_/status...906493440?s=19

    Obviously film of him saying things from his own mouth in person is nothing but a smear.

    What an utter fu cking cretin.
    It's all lies ffs
    He is a kind, gentle, nice man. Full of warmth and kisses

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    Ahhh poor old Jezzas hatred for Israel will really be his undoing. He really is simple.

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    Plenty of people share his views on Israel but he would be better off if he didn’t keep banging on about it. If he had any brains he would avoid the issue like the plague.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    https://twitter.com/TheGolem_/status...906493440?s=19

    Obviously film of him saying things from his own mouth in person is nothing but a smear.

    What an utter fu cking cretin.
    Out of genuine interest, which of the things from his own mouth in these videos are you so opposed to?

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    Corbyn-ites are now targeting Fiona Brucesí husband.

    Wonder how long he will need an armed guard like some Labour MPs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Corbyn-ites are now targeting Fiona Brucesí husband.

    Wonder how long he will need an armed guard like some Labour MPs?
    Has johnnyboy got fed up with harassing Rachel Riley?

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    Getting back on track, has the Labour Party died yet?

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    Good to see Labour hypocrisy is in safe hands, the youngsters are following in that great tradition.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Good to see Labour hypocrisy is in safe hands, the youngsters are following in that great tradition.






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    I can't remember using glue sticks at Secondary School, can you? Surely that's more of a Primary school thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    I can't remember using glue sticks at Secondary School, can you? Surely that's more of a Primary school thing.
    Probably sniffing them

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Has johnnyboy got fed up with harassing Rachel Riley?
    I notice there've been others on here calling you a weirdo recently. (plus, get the name right ffs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Corbyn-ites are now targeting Fiona Bruces’ husband.

    Wonder how long he will need an armed guard like some Labour MPs?
    You mean like Jo Cox should have had to protect her from your type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    I notice there've been others on here calling you a weirdo recently. (plus, get the name right ffs)
    Are there? Must have missed that although saw one from someone who harps back to football in the eighties, mean old tv changed the game times, only suitably attired lads to be in the ground etc.

    Of course I seek validation from my super close buddies on here so never want to offend anyone.

    How did your mocks go?

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    "But the facts are unmistakable. At the moment, the pro-Brexit stance of the UK prime minister, and the Leader of the Opposition, rules out this question."

    Ouch for Corbyn there.

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    Pretty damning for the Labour party that polls suggest they still couldn't win an election against the worst British government in a long time...

    Brexit news latest: Theresa May would win working majority in snap general election, poll finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...nds/ar-BBTtwxl


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    7 MPs resigned this morning from the Labour Party, to set up a new group within parliament - "The Independent Group".

    There is a gap in politics, that's for sure. Be interesting to see whether they can attract anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    7 MPs resigned this morning from the Labour Party, to set up a new group within parliament - "The Independent Group".

    There is a gap in politics, that's for sure. Be interesting to see whether they can attract anyone else.
    I'm sure that there are a few left-leaning Tories who'd be tempted but these breakaway groups rarely succeed. Having said that, Macron started his party in 2015 and 3 years later he was President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    7 MPs resigned this morning from the Labour Party, to set up a new group within parliament - "The Independent Group".

    There is a gap in politics, that's for sure. Be interesting to see whether they can attract anyone else.
    Yep, been coming. I think they'll attract others from Labour. It'll become interesting if any tories join them, if so it'll be hard for that group and the lib dems to avoid doing something together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecuk268 View Post
    I'm sure that there are a few left-leaning Tories who'd be tempted but these breakaway groups rarely succeed. Having said that, Macron started his party in 2015 and 3 years later he was President.
    Thats the whole point though. With PR you can get genuine change. First past the post just perpetuates the status quo. We would not have been stuck with May and Corbyn as our 'leaders' for so long if PR was used in the UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Thats the whole point though. With PR you can get genuine change. First past the post just perpetuates the status quo. We would not have been stuck with May and Corbyn as our 'leaders' for so long if PR was used in the UK
    I wholeheartedly agree. First past the post is broken and just leaves the vast majority feeling unrepresented. At least France have the chance to elect a completely new party in the next elections. We already know it will be one of Labour or Conservative with maybe Lib Dems propping them up. It's completely uninspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Thats the whole point though. With PR you can get genuine change. First past the post just perpetuates the status quo. We would not have been stuck with May and Corbyn as our 'leaders' for so long if PR was used in the UK
    This. FPTP has had it's day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecuk268 View Post
    I'm sure that there are a few left-leaning Tories who'd be tempted but these breakaway groups rarely succeed. Having said that, Macron started his party in 2015 and 3 years later he was President.
    Thatís going well.

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    Wonder if theyíll be as principled as the tories that defected to UKIP and both fought by elections. Somehow I doubt it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ecuk268 View Post
    I'm sure that there are a few left-leaning Tories who'd be tempted but these breakaway groups rarely succeed. Having said that, Macron started his party in 2015 and 3 years later he was President.
    Macron won the presidency by default. Hard Right, Hard Left and Macron was all that was left after the Socialists came up with a crazy candidate and the reasonable right came up with a bloke who turned out crooked as a corkscrew. He doesn't have a clue really or any sort of structure. Half of his elected deputťs don't even turn up.

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    Curious to what Johnnyboy and Bexy think of todayís news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Curious to what Johnnyboy and Bexy think of todayís news?
    Traitorous red tory scum who have been hounded out. They will be joyous.

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    Too little, too pointless, too late. The whole thing feels self-defeating because if nothing else it gives the Cretin and his supporters a ready made excuse when they don't win the next election.

    First past the post makes it all utterly futile, and quite frankly I despair of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Too little, too pointless, too late. The whole thing feels self-defeating because if nothing else it gives the Cretin and his supporters a ready made excuse when they don't win the next election.

    First past the post makes it all utterly futile, and quite frankly I despair of it all.
    I think a giant percentage of the electorate would agree.

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