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But British & US assistance to the Mujadidin was itself a response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. So therefore it you lefties who are really to blame for everything then.

 

This is a fun game

'Tis an awfully fun game. Communism wasn't fun and I'm sure those that dreamed up things like: workers rights, employment law, the right to strike, the right to vote, a decent wage...I'm sure a totalitarian system run by Russian nutcases was exactly what they had in mind ;p.....Just like those peace-loving and wealthy conservative landowners couldn't have possibly seen a genocidal maniac such as Adolf Hitler murder millions in the name of right wing policy.

Either way, comparing both on each side as examples of what essentially middle-of-the-road MPs threaten is a bit silly now don't you think?

But I agree Gemmel, he's too old, he'll probably be gone before the next election.

I don't think that's really true. The public aren't just a passive receptacle who swallow everything they hear. I don't think I know anyone who doesn't know that the mail and the sun have very silly articles in the main. Even people who buy them say that.

I do, unfortunately. My mum is one of them. She honestly believes the Mail delivers the news in a balanced, objective way. She voted Tory this time around "because Labour caused the recession in 2008 remember". She is a pristine example of how people can have their opinions manipulated by what they read in the press.

You really saying everything is fine in Spain and Italy, and they've done well in the long run out the Euro? With their current levels of unemployment? I work with a lot of Spanish who laugh me out the room when i ask them about work, opportunities in Spain etc.

Spanish unemployment is very high but to blame it on the Euro and suggest that everything would be ok if they could only go back to the Peseta is just grasping at a convenient scapegoat. These countries are doing better as part of a large monetary union than if they had gone their own ways.

No, you are wrong. Whilst it is true Jewish-Arab tensions had been simmering for quite some time, walking in, promising to free the Palestines of the Turkish yoke (Boris is part Turkish by the way) and then, on the insistance of rich British Jewish banking families like the Rothschilds to completely ignore this and go ahead and agree with the Jewish Homeland

can be squarely.....and historically, fairly be posted at the feet of the conservative party and without Israel....No Hamas. And I digress, Jews lived peacefully in Palestine for a long time before we got there.

 

 

I find your assertation that the British cannot be blamed for the problems in the middle east (ergo the conservative party) a little uneasy as its all historical fact....especially coming from a "Labour supporter".

You are letting your prejudices run away with your arguments. The rise of Zionism and anti-Jewish Arab feelings pre-date the First World War and any British influence was very minor. The rise of the Nazi party was a far greater factor in causing the surge in Jewish emigration to Palestine than any letter from a Conservative Foreign Secretary operating in a coalition government with a Liberal Prime Minister.

Spanish unemployment is very high but to blame it on the Euro and suggest that everything would be ok if they could only go back to the Peseta is just grasping at a convenient scapegoat. These countries are doing better as part of a large monetary union than if they had gone their own ways.

That's patently nonsense. I'm sorry but it's simply untrue. Where is the evidence to suggest they are better off? Ask anyone from those countries and they will disagree with you.

I do, unfortunately. My mum is one of them. She honestly believes the Mail delivers the news in a balanced, objective way. She voted Tory this time around "because Labour caused the recession in 2008 remember". She is a pristine example of how people can have their opinions manipulated by what they read in the press.

I'm sorry your mum is so gullible but I would suggest that's a minority rather than the majority.

Spanish unemployment is very high but to blame it on the Euro and suggest that everything would be ok if they could only go back to the Peseta is just grasping at a convenient scapegoat. These countries are doing better as part of a large monetary union than if they had gone their own ways.

Rubbish.

No way to control interest rates, or stimulate their economy. They're f##ked because they have financial policies of Germany / Holland that don't work well for Mediterranean countries.

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Just like those peace-loving and wealthy conservative landowners couldn't have possibly seen a genocidal maniac such as Adolf Hitler murder millions in the name of right wing policy.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but Hitler was left-wing.

Sorry to disappoint you, but that is b0ll0x. The Nazis arrested and murdered communists, socialists, and trade unionists. National Socialism / Fascism was only 'Socialist' in terms of aiming for an idealised state.

The Nazis arrested and murdered communists, socialists, and trade unionists.

Add academics to that lot and you are talking.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Hitler was left-wing.

F*cking hell.

I do, unfortunately. My mum is one of them. She honestly believes the Mail delivers the news in a balanced, objective way. She voted Tory this time around "because Labour caused the recession in 2008 remember". She is a pristine example of how people can have their opinions manipulated by what they read in the press.

Why does she believe what's written in the Mail and not what's in The Guardian or Mirror?

Hitler wouldn't really fit into conventional, modern day definitions of right or left wing if we're discussing anything relevant to current British politics.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Hitler was left-wing.

I'm sorry your mum is so gullible but I would suggest that's a minority rather than the majority.

You can add my Mum to the list.

Even if Mail readers recognise some of it as untrue, the sheer quantity of bile means that some of it filters through.

You can add my Mum to the list.

 

Even if Mail readers recognise some of it as untrue, the sheer quantity of bile means that some of it filters through.

Or maybe they come from a different time and thus are more prejudiced anyway and the Mail simply confirms their pre-existing bias?

Or maybe they come from a different time and thus are more prejudiced anyway and the Mail simply confirms their pre-existing bias?

I think there's a pre-existing bias but the Mail legitimises and amplifies it

Why does she believe what's written in the Mail and not what's in The Guardian or Mirror?

Because she doesn't buy either of those papers. She is a creature of habit and buys the Mail because she always has done.

I think there's a pre-existing bias but the Mail legitimises and amplifies it

I really don't think it's as big of an issue as you claim. Even people I know who read he mail understand the bias and sensationalism in it. It's frequently satirised in other media so it's hardly a secret.

The left-wing/right-wing debate over Hitler has been done to death. But there are just as many valid arguments to label him left-wing as right, so when it suits left-wingers to invoke Godwin's Law and label one of history's nastiest tyrants as right-wing to suit their agenda, then that needs to be challenged.

I really don't think it's as big of an issue as you claim. Even people I know who read he mail understand the bias and sensationalism in it. It's frequently satirised in other media so it's hardly a secret.

But you assume they can accurately filter the incorrect stuff and just believe the correct stuff. It's way more complex than that, and they are bound to end up with some/many false impressions

Hitler wouldn't really fit into conventional, modern day definitions of right or left wing if we're discussing anything relevant to current British politics.

Indeed, for example the Nazi scheme to motorise the masses via Autobahn construction (itself in part a job-creation measure) and their 'saving stamp' plan, a plan that might have lead to every family having their own subsidised Volkswagen one day, can all be seen as rather 'Socialist' in concept. Needless to say, in other regards they were obviously VERY far from being a leftist party 'power to the people' party - despite the 'S' in NSDAP standing for 'sozialistische'.

None of this has anything to do with poor old Jeremy Corbyn of course.

Because she doesn't buy either of those papers. She is a creature of habit and buys the Mail because she always has done.

Why does she, and so many others, buy the Mail and similar papers and not the Mirror or Guardian.

Why does she, and so many others, buy the Mail and similar papers and not the Mirror or Guardian.

Fewer tits and spelling mistakes?

Why does she, and so many others, buy the Mail and similar papers and not the Mirror or Guardian.

Because the mirror and the guardian do exactly the same as the mail. But from the opposing side of the spectrum.

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Obviously he should have sung it because the fallout from not doing so isn't worth the hassle, however our national anthem is a horrible dirge of a song which features ridiculous lyrics where a fictitious character is asked to look after someone who was born into their job and who many people have little interest in.

I'm not sure what other people think is worth celebrating about our country, but to me it's not an over privileged out dated and frankly embarrassing Royal Family being watched over by something that doesn't exist. But yeah, it's tradition so we'll all crack on.

Why does she, and so many others, buy the Mail and similar papers and not the Mirror or Guardian.

Primarily the Mail is very good at light hearted stuff and women's content. It knows its audience very well, and sits in a mid market not catered for by the Mirror or Guardian.

It also panders to people's prejudices and caters for instinctively conservative people

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Why does she, and so many others, buy the Mail and similar papers and not the Mirror or Guardian.

Buying papers is an outdated model though. It's all about website traffic now and it wasn't until the Mail introduced their celebrity clickbait sidebar of shame that they overtook the Guardian as the most read newspaper website.

This is one if the reasons the Telegraph sacked great swathes of their staff on the printed paper and replaced them with a bunch of young, lower paid journos who are happy to write buzzfeed type nonsense to increase the number of hits to their website.

It's pretty much reached the stage that if you are quantifying people's views by which paper they read, the number of physical copies sold becomes somewhat irrelevant.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Hitler was left-wing.

Eh?

Doing very well so far in PMQs

Doing very well so far in PMQs

If you like the questioning like Schofield asking viewers questions to a pop act on Going Live, with added condescension, he did fantastically.

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If you like the questioning like Schofield asking viewers questions to a pop act on Going Live, with added condescension, he did fantastically.

 

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I think your post says more about you than it does about the idea of having 'people's questions' and calm, measured debate.

Eh?

He played there for the Nazi XI. With Goebbels on the right wing they were the 1930's equivalent of Stuart Ripley and Jason Wilcox.

If you like the questioning like Schofield asking viewers questions to a pop act on Going Live, with added condescension, he did fantastically.

 

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Yep, the previous format was much better with the childish insults and pointless squabbling about which party ****ed the country up the most in the last 20 years.

God forbid the Prime Minister be asked genuine questions from the British public in, you know, Prime Minister's Question Time.

Reading out Joe Public's questions is a complete cop-out but probably quite typical of someone who has never led anything worthwhile.

He needs to convince people he has feasible and engaging ideas and policies. Doing the parliamentary equivalent of a radio phone-in isn't going to achieve that. You need focussed question sets that give a narrative and demonstrate the difference between your position and the government's.

It was hard to imagine Labour coming up with even more talentless front benches than recent years but you've got to give them their dues, they've pulled it off with aplomb.

DC's reply ; "If the Honourable Gentleman would bide with me, I'll have somebody enquire of my valet".

Doing very well so far in PMQs

It was like watching someone's Grandad go back to work after some time out and look completely lost.

From the latest edition of Private Eye...

Definitely wouldn't put delicates in a boil wash. He should know that.

Reading out Joe Public's questions is a complete cop-out but probably quite typical of someone who has never led anything worthwhile.

 

He needs to convince people he has feasible and engaging ideas and policies. Doing the parliamentary equivalent of a radio phone-in isn't going to achieve that. You need focussed question sets that give a narrative and demonstrate the difference between your position and the government's.

 

It was hard to imagine Labour coming up with even more talentless front benches than recent years but you've got to give them their dues, they've pulled it off with aplomb.

He may get away with it once or twice, but it can't becomes a regular thing. PMQ's is really about rallying your troops and getting a decent attack sound bite on the 6 o clock news nowadays . He's not going to do either by quoting random lefties that have bothered to email him.

For a " conviction" politician he seems to be ditching his principles pretty quickly . A spokesman has now said he will sing the national anthem in future.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Hitler was left-wing.

LOLOLOLOLOL

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He may get away with it once or twice, but it can't becomes a regular thing. PMQ's is really about rallying your troops and getting a decent attack sound bite on the 6 o clock news nowadays . He's not going to do either by quoting random lefties that have bothered to email him.

 

For a " conviction" politician he seems to be ditching his principles pretty quickly . A spokesman has now said he will sing the national anthem in future.

You're forgetting that the Corbyn cultists are convinced they don't need the "mainstream media". They'll change the electorate's mind in 140 characters.

I do, unfortunately. My mum is one of them. She honestly believes the Mail delivers the news in a balanced, objective way. She voted Tory this time around "because Labour caused the recession in 2008 remember". She is a pristine example of how people can have their opinions manipulated by what they read in the press.

My mum too, Express in her case though.

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The left-wing/right-wing debate over Hitler has been done to death. .

You're taking at face value Hitlers own description of Nazism being neither left or right wing. You've outdone even your own high standards.

I think your post says more about you than it does about the idea of having 'people's questions' and calm, measured debate.

He may get away with it once or twice, but it can't becomes a regular thing. PMQ's is really about rallying your troops and getting a decent attack sound bite on the 6 o clock news nowadays . He's not going to do either by quoting random lefties that have bothered to email him.

 

For a " conviction" politician he seems to be ditching his principles pretty quickly . A spokesman has now said he will sing the national anthem in future.

Whilst I don't disagree I think many on here, left and right, would like PMQs to be more than the usual childish shouting match.

As I conservative, I think this "viewers questions" from Corbyn is brilliant. Six questions to David Cameron, (more than likely nothing more recent than the weekend as the party have to sift the questions) Six nice statements explaining Tory policy in reply. No more retort from the Labour front benches, just onto the next question.

Its like a one sided hustings. ineffective for Labour, fantastic for Cameron to get reasons for whats happening out there.

You are letting your prejudices run away with your arguments. The rise of Zionism and anti-Jewish Arab feelings pre-date the First World War and any British influence was very minor. The rise of the Nazi party was a far greater factor in causing the surge in Jewish emigration to Palestine than any letter from a Conservative Foreign Secretary operating in a coalition government with a Liberal Prime Minister.

I am actually Jewish...so no, I am not...have you any clue what a semite is by the way? You can actually call someone from Malta a semite. Either way, the worst anti-semite at the moment is the Israeli prime minister and the horrific acts he's commiting against the Arab Palestines.

Yes, you are clearly not "understanding" what I'm saying: The AREA of what is now Israel housed a large number of Jewish and Arab peoples before the Mandate was enacted...But oddly enough, when we turned our backs on agreements we made (under a conservative foreign minister) all hell broke loose. So no, it's fair to say that was one heck of a starting point. Most of the "Jewish refugees" were actually Russian/East European converts who historically had no roots to the "promised land" anyway.

And thanks, (whoever it was that said Hitler was left wing...Not Whitey Grandad) that's some seriously mental news that one, Hitler being left wing....kinda blows his theory that communism (actually, not his theory, initially Generals from the first world war) is inextricably linked to world Jewry.....Mate, if you believe that, you are off your rocker.