All things Labour Party

That's ridiculous. Match the bets surely? I'm happy to bet a tenner.

He's a socialist, always generous with other people's money.

I'll put up a grand of my own money that Islington Stalin won't become PM. Name your charity for the odd chance that he gets in...

At least someone has the courage of their convictions.

At least someone has the courage of their convictions.

Well clearly not you considering you won't match any bet.

At least someone has the courage of their convictions.

Not exactly courage as just about the easiest bet in the world to welch on.

Sorry love we have to cancel the holiday I owe a grand from a bet on teh Internet.

What were you going to win anyway?

Nothing just I could say 'I told you so'

Ahh who was it?

Don't really know him

Not exactly courage as just about the easiest bet in the world to welch on.

Sorry love we have to cancel the holiday I owe a grand from a bet on teh Internet.

What were you going to win anyway?

Nothing just I could say 'I told you so'

Ahh who was it?

Don't really know him

Well that's right whingers for you.

Well that's right whingers for you.

Says the man who has offered the single most gutless "bet" ever seen on this forum.

No courage, no conviction.

Corbyn suggesting keeping Trident without nuclear warheads on Marr. Hmmmmm a wee bit expensive that.

Corbyn suggesting keeping Trident without nuclear warheads on Marr. Hmmmmm a wee bit expensive that.

Bit bizarre. I'm ambivalent about the nuclear deterrent - but one of the arguments for it is that it makes conventional aggression less likely. Keeping the expensive subs and missiles and using them for only conventional warheads seems to be the worst of both worlds - if he actually said that of course.

Bit bizarre. I'm ambivalent about the nuclear deterrent - but one of the arguments for it is that it makes conventional aggression less likely. Keeping the expensive subs and missiles and using them for only conventional warheads seems to be the worst of both worlds - if he actually said that of course.

Tbf he said it was an option not saying he was pushing for it. But to paraphrase what you said that is a bit mental

http://bbc.in/1n4b8eQ

Fitting a conventional - i.e. high explosive - warhead to a Trident missile is a idea that has been 'doing the rounds' for many years now. One suspects that the notion has more to do with Labour interest in maintaining the employment aspects of submarine construction, rather than some careful evaluation of our real security requirements.

What a bizarre idea. Putting conventional missiles on a trident carrying submarines

Tbf he said it was an option not saying he was pushing for it. But to paraphrase what you said that is a bit mental

 

http://bbc.in/1n4b8eQ

Everything is an "option" for him. He's trying to unilaterally rewrite the Labour party rulebook on decision-making so that he can get this mish-mash of seventies protest issues transplanted as official Labour policy.

So when these "options" do become actual policy - as they probably will on Trident - we'll see what happens to Labour's electoral chances. I dread to think how low the numbers will sink.

What a bizarre idea. Putting conventional missiles on a trident carrying submarines

Totally bizarre. A Trident sub is not suitable for conventional warfare. It's a shame we dumped the Upholders. They might have been effective with a few cruise missiles.

Says the man who has offered the single most gutless "bet" ever seen on this forum.

 

No courage, no conviction.

My money is still waiting. Just because I'm supporter doesn't make me a mug.

My money is still waiting. Just because I'm supporter doesn't make me a mug.

You've put the grand up then. Fair play to you.

You've put the grand up then. Fair play to you.

If you are 100% certain Corbyn won't be PM why are you denying my £10 it's trip to a charity?

If you are 100% certain Corbyn won't be PM why are you denying my £10 it's trip to a charity?

Let us know the charity your thousand pounds is going to. It's a brave gesture and we've disagreed on a few things but I respect your commitment so well done.

his stance on the Falklands is just odd too.

He says we must open talks with Argentina about the Islands but the Islanders should have the final say.

eeer, they had a vote a couple of years ago where 99.7% voted to remain as they are with a 100% turn out.......he must have missed that bit

people's democracy right there and he wants to ignore it

his stance on the Falklands is just odd too.

 

He says we must open talks with Argentina about the Islands but the Islanders should have the final say.

 

 

eeer, they had a vote a couple of years ago where 99.7% voted to remain as they are with a 100% turn out.......he must have missed that bit

people's democracy right there and he wants to ignore it

He is not so much ignoring the people's say, more taking contradiction and rolling it together.

He is just far too soft to ever hold serious political office. Open dialogue with a country fundamentally and constitutionally devoted to eroding the democratic will of the Falkland Islanders, a dedication to nuclear disarmament that flies in the face of international security. He is nobel, in an odd way I admire him, yet it shows such naivety. What is the point in being principled and wanting to apply them if they make you unable to get to a point of power when you can do that?

An idealist is by very definition unable to deal with political reality. That labour elected him as leader is the most incredible and dangerous political event in modern times. They will hopefully become a total irrelevance as a result, congratulations Ed Milliband for allowing the voting system that allowed this and ensured the destruction of Labour, the destruction of one of the most essential political parties in the history of our nation.

Let us know the charity your thousand pounds is going to. It's a brave gesture and we've disagreed on a few things but I respect your commitment so well done.

You are being deliberately obtuse sir.

Corbyn suggesting keeping Trident without nuclear warheads on Marr. Hmmmmm a wee bit expensive that.

Maybe it's a cunning bluff so that we keep the launch vehicles but not the warheads, honest mate. Then, we we launch a tactical strike using our new super accurate ballistic missiles that aren't nuclear (honest gov), the Russkies won't launch an immediate retaliatory strike as they are now conventional weapons and then, oops, bye bye Raqqa, Mosul etc.

He's a plant by the ultra-right wing - been a sleeper agent for years.

He is not so much ignoring the people's say, more taking contradiction and rolling it together.

 

He is just far too soft to ever hold serious political office. Open dialogue with a country fundamentally and constitutionally devoted to eroding the democratic will of the Falkland Islanders, a dedication to nuclear disarmament that flies in the face of international security.

 

An idealist is by very definition unable to deal with political reality. That labour elected him as leader is the most incredible and dangerous political event in modern times. They will hopefully become a total irrelevance as a result, congratulations Ed Milliband for allowing the voting system that allowed this and ensured the destruction of Labour.

agree. watched him on the beeb this morning.

virtually said that he would back 'any strike' by the unions and also stated that unions should be allowed to strike on sympathy grounds too

WTF!!!

yep, not a cat in hells chance he will ever be elected as PM. He knows it too

?....That labour elected him as leader is the most incredible and dangerous political event in modern times. They will hopefully become a total irrelevance as a result, congratulations Ed Milliband for allowing the voting system that allowed this and ensured the destruction of Labour.

Let's wait for the Republican nominated candidate. That could be far more dangerous an event. He's favourite now as well.

Corbyn is as easy a target as Turnip Taylor for The Sun.

But the bigger question is: Isn't Labour supposed to be in the midst of a defence review, conducted by the estimably posh multimillionaire Lady Nugee? Can't the Winchester- and Balliol- educated Stalinist media advisor Seumas Milne remind him that he shouldn't go flying kites about the outcome of that review long before it's finished? Not least so he can avoid being sunk by The Sun's subs?

The unstoppable March to number 10 continues apace.

He's going to be Prime Minister, you know.

Fitting a conventional - i.e. high explosive - warhead to a Trident missile is a idea that has been 'doing the rounds' for many years now......

Indeed, the Pentagon were looking at it 10 years ago.

Indeed, the Pentagon were looking at it 10 years ago.

And I think the Japanese do it too.

Indeed, the Pentagon were looking at it 10 years ago.

which is in no way a replacement for trident.

They have converted 4x Ohio class submarines with Cruise missles (a lot of them)

does not give them any real addtional capability and does not force a gap in their CASD programme. Utilise these 4 subs instead of scrapping them

They now have 14 Trident carrying subs instead of 18

And I think the Japanese do it too.

You're clutching at straws. The only reason Corbyn is talking this idea up is to appease the unions.

You're clutching at straws. The only reason Corbyn is talking this idea up is to appease the unions.

Exactly, the blokes an idiot. Every time he opens his mouth he just makes things worse for himself.

Scrapping Trident makes sense, but having Trident without Nukes is just nonsense.

He's a socialist, always generous with other people's money.

As much of an idiot as Corbyn is, and he really is a relic of the old Labour left of the early 1980s who as a Lib Dem voter would even make me get my occasional Tory vote out to deny power if I needed to, no offence intended but do you actually understand what you mean there or have you just blindly trotted that out from Trousers or one of the others from the right wing of the Tory party on here?

For example, the water companies effectively tax me as a consumer to provide what is deemed in UK law to be a basic human provision - and it's very expensive in Devon and Cornwall too - with no choice of provider yet that isn't deemed taxation so by your logic that isn't my money they are taking! Yet if HMRC ask for it, it is my money - is that the logic? I suspect we agree 100% on Corbyn and the appalling direction of the Labour Party but that mantra gets chucked out too often on here unchallenged and it's about time someone called it.

People present welfare reform and cracking down on multinational tax avoidance and fraud as either/ors - I want the UK government to do BOTH. That way, we get to invest in the country's infrastructure and education/skills provision so all benefit - employers, taxpayers, even politicians. People on middle-upper middle incomes are subsidising both the Exec level earners with £30bn of unpaid extra work a year, multi-national tax avoidance and the bottom 10% (rightly) taken out of the tax system. If you want to make a point around that, fair enough. But well invested public money - like infrastructure, education, R&D - leads to matched private sector investment so we all win with more skilled jobs - look at the impact of Pfizer pulling out of Kent site at Sandwich. We need to encourage them to invest in partnership so they have a longer-term stake in the UK, as Osborne is trying to do to be fair. If they don't want to play by the UK rules, we'll grown our own companies who will.

have you just blindly trotted that out from Trousers or one of the others from the right wing of the Tory party on here?

Lil' ol' Trousers? Right wing of the Tory party? Source?

do you actually understand what you mean there

Well I do. I was referring to Johnnyboy's pathetic betting offer. How about you? Do you feel better now you've got that huge agenda-filled load off your chest? If only you could find a cure for the chip on your shoulder.

Just watched Catch up & saw Andrew Neil take this neuclear subs using conventional weapons guff apart in an interview with Posh Emily Thornbury . She then became the third shadow cabinet minister ( according to him ) to invite him to contribute to a " review" . Every time he gets them in a muddle they resort to this " review" of a particular policy line .

Well I do. I was referring to Johnnyboy's pathetic betting offer. How about you? Do you feel better now you've got that huge agenda-filled load off your chest? If only you could find a cure for the chip on your shoulder.

That's a no then. What's my agenda then?

No chip on my shoulder pal, living in one of the best places in UK and doing a job I love. Just curious that the same old catch phrases get used by half a dozen of the same posters. Wouldn't vote for Corbyn if he was the last person on earth.

Lil' ol' Trousers? Right wing of the Tory party? Source?

 

I respect you a lot as a football poster and would say you're are one of the most reasoned, especially after a defeat. On politics, I do agree with some of what you post, not as much as your football posts but even the stuff I don't agree with you has reasoning. At other times though, and you may have posted it to get a bite, but I've seen you post on here that there shouldn't be a tax system. Even Conservative Way Forward members would find that extreme let alone theOne Nation strand I'm more familiar with. It's stood out at the time and I thought 'must be to the right of the Thatcherites to post that.

Anyway; it's a free country and people have their own views. Maybe those weren't reflective of yours as a whole. I'm in the political centre so was surprised when you posted that a fe years back

Well I do. I was referring to Johnnyboy's pathetic betting offer. How about you? Do you feel better now you've got that huge agenda-filled load off your chest? If only you could find a cure for the chip on your shoulder.

Actually maybe ive been a bit brain washed by certain right wing trolls in here. I'd assumed Corbyn being 100/1 to be the next PM was generous...

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1199760

So what's your offer? How about I give £20 and you give £100?

Actually maybe ive been a bit brain washed by certain right wing trolls in here. I'd assumed Corbyn being 100/1 to be the next PM was generous...

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1199760

 

So what's your offer? How about I give £20 and you give £100?

Fair to say all these chickensh it bets you keep offering people can only tell us that you don't think Corbyn can ever be Prime Minister anyway.

So, fair play for reducing the already pointless exercise of laying bets with complete strangers on Internet forums down to an even more pathetic level than usual.

Well done.

Here's Caroline Lucas taking a clear and principled position on Trident.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/18/trident-weapon-free-jeremy-corbyn-renewing-fleet-warheads-disarmament

Corbyn would do well to discover what a principled political position on Trident actually looks like, instead of corruptly suggesting that the UK builds white elephants at huge expense just so he can rebuild bridges with unions he's ****ed off in the big defence contractors.

Fair to say all these chickensh it bets you keep offering people can only tell us that you don't think Corbyn can ever be Prime Minister anyway.

 

So, fair play for reducing the already pointless exercise of laying bets with complete strangers on Internet forums down to an even more pathetic level than usual.

 

Well done.

You're the one who keeps saying never. You obviously don't believe it though.

I've seen you post on here that there shouldn't be a tax system.

I've posted plenty of gibberish in my time but I've never said that, not even close to it.

I've suggested that Governments aren't necessarily the most efficient wealth redistributors, but even my slightly warped imagination would struggle to map that sentiment to the removal of the tax system altogether.

Anyway, enough of this interweb distortion malarkey.... lets get back to laughing at Labour

Most British institutions are Conservative with a large C, including Saintsweb it seems.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-has-finally-brought-left-wing-ideas-in-from-the-cold-a6818031.html

You're the one who keeps saying never. You obviously don't believe it though.

What? He will never be Prime Minister, get over it.

What? He will never be Prime Minister, get over it.

Want to make a bet on that?

Want to make a bet on that?

I have zero interest in making Internet forum bets with anyone, but it has been very amusing watching you wave a fictional twenty quid about and expecting people to put up a hundred pounds in return.

He will never be PM, and it's clear you agree with me. Take care now.

I have zero interest in making Internet forum bets with anyone, but it has been very amusing watching you wave a fictional twenty quid about and expecting people to put up a hundred pounds in return.

 

He will never be PM, and it's clear you agree with me. Take care now.

There's that word again... never.

A guaranteed win for charity, if you take the bet?