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    Default Maarten Stekelenburg, thoughts so far?

    I don't rate Forster that much for over 10 million but he's a huge step up on the likes of gazziniga who should be nowhere nr the first team , I think stekelenburg has done pretty good so far a couple of key important saves but positioning odd at times what's your thoughts?

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    He's got two a's in his first name when one is perfectly adequate.

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    He has looked fairly solid so far and I have been impressed by his kicking.

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    I rate Forster, he's a very good goalie, but Stekelenburg has been brilliant so far - he does everything right.

    When Forster is back (if it's this season), could be a close call on who starts, although I suspect we won't see FF start this season given the nature of the injury?

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    Too early to say. He is obviously a decent keeper, his Dutch caps show that.

    But, as I said, too early to fully assess.

    It is clear though that our backup is ****e and its by miles our weakest squad position - until FF fit. Neither Gazza or KD would start for many/any Championship teams. It could bite us on the arse again this year and is still a suprise to me that the club seem comfortable with it, given how well they have shaped the rest of the squad.

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    Like him - though he hasn't had to make too many 'worldies' yet, did make an excellent save against vitesse when we were only 2 up and gets down well to shots. Exudes a calmness and confidence that I think translates to the back four. But as I say, still early days.

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    I've seen him play many, many times for Ajax when I still worked in their Arena, and I don't believe he's gotten worse. He'll be good for Saints, if given the confidence. So far, so good.

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    Very good so far. Looks incredibly calm and his distribution is solid. He seems to be prepared to come off his line more than FF.

    It wouldn't surprise me if in 6 months we are talking about him being a better keeper than FF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    I don't rate Forster that much for over 10 million but he's a huge step up on the likes of gazziniga who should be nowhere nr the first team , I think stekelenburg has done pretty good so far a couple of key important saves but positioning odd at times what's your thoughts?
    My thoughts are that he probably knows more about goalkeeper positioning than you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    positioning odd at times
    Can you give examples?

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    Prefer him to Forster, he looks decent.

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    So far has filled me with confidence. Have to say, more so than FF I'm afraid. Stick The Stek behind Morgan and our back 4 of last season and you have a top keeper. Still the fact that remains that if Forster is out until next year we are an injury or suspension away from Gazza or KD again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry the Badger View Post
    My thoughts are that he probably knows more about goalkeeper positioning than you do.
    Bit harsh. I don't agree with him but he's only giving his opinion.

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    Can't really say much in respect of shot stopping, as Stek hasn't really been tested as of yet, however what he has had to do so far he's done well.

    I like Forster and he did good things for us last last year, but I feel Stek has a better command of his area and gives off an aura of control IMO.

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    Bad time at Fulham with little defensive protection, but is obviously a very good keeper. Big, experienced, and growing in confidence, FF may struggle to get his place back when fit (a good thing for us). It's the third choice that fills me with utter dread.

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    The club may surprise us on deadline day with a signing for the No2 position - I'm not ITK. But if a quality GK becomes available on the day ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by the saint in winchester View Post
    The club may surprise us on deadline day with a signing for the No2 position - I'm not ITK. But if a quality GK becomes available on the day ....
    No they won't.

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    Everyone on here has a massive downer on gazza. I think he has come on leaps and bounds in the last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaffaSaint View Post
    Everyone on here has a massive downer on gazza. I think he has come on leaps and bounds in the last year

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    you think hes shown enough that you think he can cut it in the premiership?

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    I think he should be given a chance as no2. He looked **** the 1st season back in the prem but last season and pre season has looked decent

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    I've been impressed with him so far. In an ideal world we'd get to keep him at the end of the season and let Kelvin and Gazza go. I'm sure there's room in our squad for 2 decent 'keepers, especially if we make it into Europe again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    So far has filled me with confidence. Have to say, more so than FF I'm afraid. Stick The Stek behind Morgan and our back 4 of last season and you have a top keeper. Still the fact that remains that if Forster is out until next year we are an injury or suspension away from Gazza or KD again.
    Morgan and last years back four were one of the meanest defences in the league when FF was in goal!

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    Miles better than Forster, as he'll prove this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Miles better than Forster, as he'll prove this season.
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by St_Tel49 View Post
    Really?
    Yeah I honestly believe that, as I'm often mocked about on here. Stekelenburg is by far the more complete goalkeeper who doesn't share any of the weaknesses Forster has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St_Tel49 View Post
    Really?
    You're talking to a man who has already written off a 19 year old, based on the first game of the season. I wouldn't pay too much attention.

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    Forster's main problem is his knee exploded

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    so far so good, but way too early to reach any conclusions.....won't stop some on here from doing so though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    You're talking to a man who has already written off a 19 year old, based on the first game of the season. I wouldn't pay too much attention.
    Depends on how seriously you took my comment. Plenty of people on here like to perceive it how they want to, then, at later stages, use it as some sort of weird bullying interweb stick to beat you with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Miles better than Forster, as he'll prove this season.
    Wouldn't go that far but I did notice he has a better starting position to save long shots.. I.e. The Cisse shot where he was already on the edge of the six yard box, whereas Forster would be about a yard off his line.
    Still, two class goalies is better than one I'm told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Miles better than Forster, as he'll prove this season.
    Who is Miles? We're talking about Maarten Stekelenburg and Fraser Forster?


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    Hahaha.

    But seriously, Forster doesn't have his command, presence and if you ever watch any Forster highlight, he's a more "in the way of the shot because I'm massive" goalkeeper, not because he's actually read the situation and reacted to it. Well, as long as it doesn't go in I suppose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Hahaha.

    But seriously, Forster doesn't have his command, presence and if you ever watch any Forster highlight, he's a more "in the way of the shot because I'm massive" goalkeeper, not because he's actually read the situation and reacted to it. Well, as long as it doesn't go in I suppose...
    I think the last sentence is pertinent.

    Stekelenberg has looked decent, but I expected that, he's a Dutch International who played for Roma for a while. I ignore Fulham because it was a joke of a club when he joined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    I don't rate Forster that much for over 10 million but he's a huge step up on the likes of gazziniga who should be nowhere nr the first team , I think stekelenburg has done pretty good so far a couple of key important saves but positioning odd at times what's your thoughts?
    I think he's been absolutely superb. Hasn't put a foot or hand wrong, and the goals he's conceded no keeper could have done anything with - deflected looping cross with pace on it against Newcastle and a header from 6 yards against a stationary defender which he couldn't have got out to in time and wouldn't have been able to stop at that speed.

    Improvement on Forster, dare I say it?

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    I'm very happy with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaffaSaint View Post
    Everyone on here has a massive downer on gazza. I think he has come on leaps and bounds in the last year
    Completely agree - still not up to Prem standard but has made massive improvements - I expect he'll go on loan to a Championship side when Forster is fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The9 View Post
    Completely agree - still not up to Prem standard but has made massive improvements - I expect he'll go on loan to a Championship side when Forster is fit.
    Agree with that. He's definitely got potential, but unfortunately I think us f**king about with 3 different goalies first season back in the prem, with a shocking defence didn't help him. He should ideally have gone straight back on loan to Gillingham then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The9 View Post

    Improvement on Forster, dare I say it?
    Say it. Say it a million times over.

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    I think he's a step up on Forster, but then he has more experience so that could be expected. I also think that Forster will be seriously good in a few years, but Stekelenburg edges it for me at the minute because he just seems more commanding and gets to low shots (well, i've seen him get to one..)

    Always thought he'd be good for us, though, when we signed him - you don't play in a world cup final without being pretty good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckenham Saint View Post
    I think he's a step up on Forster, but then he has more experience so that could be expected. I also think that Forster will be seriously good in a few years, but Stekelenburg edges it for me at the minute because he just seems more commanding and gets to low shots (well, i've seen him get to one..)

    Always thought he'd be good for us, though, when we signed him - you don't play in a world cup final without being pretty good...
    Step up on Forster without doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainchris View Post
    Step up on Forster without doubt
    I agree, although Forster has the potential to be better as he gains more experience (when he's not injured).

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    I'm reserving judgement till way on in the season until saying he's better than Forster let alone 'miles better' but he's at that sort of age where big name goal keepers start to become awesome so he could well be an upgrade.

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    Would've Pm'd you this instead if I could, so apologies for going 'off-topic' on the thread (as if that were even 'a thing' on SWF, lol).


    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Plenty of people on here like to perceive it how they want to, then, at later stages, use it as some sort of weird bullying interweb stick to beat you with.

    Seriously mate - you shouldn't even allow it to register a blip on your radar.

    There is a (relatively) small group of regulars here who are 6-12 year old school children. I do concede it is possible they may actually be fully grown-assed men who still think and behave like they are 6-12 year old children -- but I llike to offer the benefit of any potential doubt, and assume the former.

    Back in the S4E days, you were one of a small group of posters I enjoyed reading so much that I joined up myself. You have been a highly respected member by many for a long time, across the various incarnations, and I'm sure there are many still around today who also appreciate your contributions over the years as I do.

    Let's be honest - you have kind of made a bit of an arse of yourself here in the not too distant past mate, and you know and accept why you got some stick off many at the time...

    but it doesn't help that some of the kids in the playground seem intent on never letting you forget it. Just try to remember what it was like when you had the mental age of a small child. Eventually either they'll get bored or grow out of it - or you'll simply grow a thick enough skin that such juvenile drivel just whooshes straight over your head, and doesn't bother you anymore in the slightest. For your sake, I hope its growth is a speedy one.



    Ohh, and that Stekelenburg lad - class 'keeper by the way.

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    I still think it's interesting to note that nothing Lungs said in the thing he's still getting hammered for was actually not true, the only bit that was wrong he clearly noted was guesswork even at the time. Which obviously was because his contact at the club left with Cortese so everything after that time was speculation.

    I can't do anything about his comment about Forster being a League One keeper at best, though, he's at worst a top half Championship one like Scott Carson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the saint in winchester View Post
    The club may surprise us on deadline day with a signing for the No2 position - I'm not ITK. But if a quality GK becomes available on the day ....
    That definitely is not going to happen unless Stekelenburg also gets a season ending injury.

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    How can you say he is better than Forster? considering he has only played like 3 games for us? lol some people crack me up on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Like him - though he hasn't had to make too many 'worldies' yet, did make an excellent save against vitesse when we were only 2 up and gets down well to shots. Exudes a calmness and confidence that I think translates to the back four. But as I say, still early days.
    Not sure I saw much evidence of calmness and confidence in the defence last weekend at Newcastle! They were all over the place in the first half, and Soares seemed especially on edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Depends on how seriously you took my comment. Plenty of people on here like to perceive it how they want to, then, at later stages, use it as some sort of weird bullying interweb stick to beat you with.
    Like perceiving that someone would sulkily hint for months and months and months that they know exactly what is wrong with the club, how it is a shambles from top to bottom, the people running it are a bunch of tossers who don't know what they are doing and we have no hope of ever achieving anything ever again now the angry midget in built up shoes has left. Making *****y comment after spiteful remark for weeks and weeks about the club and its management. Then when they did finally manage to type and type and type exactly what they claimed they knew as to why the club was "in the mess we're in" and "on a downward curve" it turned out to be a complete load of laughable bo-llocks none of which ever came true it made you look a bigger helmet than you look for being identical to rylan from x-factor. Is that the sort of "perception" you are on about as the 'internet bully stick to beat you with"? Because to me that sort of perception is bang on the money pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The9 View Post
    I still think it's interesting to note that nothing Lungs said in the thing he's still getting hammered for was actually not true, the only bit that was wrong he clearly noted was guesswork even at the time. Which obviously was because his contact at the club left with Cortese so everything after that time was speculation.

    I can't do anything about his comment about Forster being a League One keeper at best, though, he's at worst a top half Championship one like Scott Carson.
    What do you mean "nothing was not true"? It was pretty much entirely his opinion about things, primarily spoon fed to him by some disgruntled mate of Adam Lallana. So nothing true or false about it - his opinions, which did, very quickly prove to be way, way off the mark.

    It was how he presented them as grand revelations that was the funny bit for me, especially when they eventually dribbled out and the true source - a spoilt stroppy footballer angling for his payday - was painfully obvious. Crabby's utter inability to process the info he was privy to was from whence the comedy arose.

    To save face he decided to cling on to his Forster opinion as a final stick to beat Les and Co with but unfortunately for him we ended up with the second best defensive record in the division and Forster recognised as an excellent Premier League keeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    How can you say he is better than Forster? considering he has only played like 3 games for us? lol some people crack me up on here
    Because I've already seen him in De Kuip getting the crap booed out of him for being a former Ajax player and catching whipped in crosses on the bounce without a moment's hesitation or any hint of a mistake.

    Forster is a good keeper, but his kicking is occasionally erratic (though mostly very long and safe) and he's been known to drop and fumble the odd ball and doesn't command his box the way Stekelenburg (or even Gazzaniga for that matter) does. Stekelenburg has been absolutely flawless so far, it's difficult to see a time when he's hesitant or error-prone (though playing behind the current defence for too long might do it).

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