EU referendum

He polls at around 11% in the satisfaction polls. He is an utter idiot who should never have been elected. We would have been better off with the womanising Strauss Kahn if we had to have a socialist at all. Hollande has never held public office before and is just a bumbling idiot who sways with the wind whichever way it's going. He is a constant popularity seeker, which is kind of strange because no French president before him has ever been as unpopular.

if there was a FREXIT referendum anytime soon, how would France go? tight as it is here?

if there was a FREXIT referendum anytime soon, how would France go? tight as it is here?

No, probably about 55/45 for a Frexit. We've had enough as well, jeez we have our own immigration problems without getting all Germany's cast offs from time to time.

If you take the anti EU parties (and that includes both the hard right and the hard left at any given election they're pushing 40% already, throw in a bit of the right of the traditional right (not the FN) and you're past the post..

What saves the day for the pro-europeans every time is the 2 round system where the first past the poster isn't normally the winner because the others gang up on them.

So Jimmy Crankie wants another Scottish referendum because people in England voted to leave.

 

I seem to remember the SNP promising that Scottish MP's wouldnt vote on things that only affected England. Well you didn't keep that promise and now the shoe is on the other foot, suck it up buttercup.

That doesn't actually make sense.

It's also true that during the Scottish referendum the Better Together side said that an independent Scotland wouldn't be in the EU and would have to apply and wait to join - ie vote stay to stay in the EU.

It's not quite panned out like that now.

Not sure she'll go through with it but she is justified in asking for one now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36561095

 

 

Sources within Morgan Stanley say it has already begun the process of moving about 2,000 of its London-based investment banking staff to Dublin or Frankfurt. And it has a taskforce in place.

What a pity, never mind, I'm sure that we'll all muddle through without them. Obviously they were only here because it suited them to be so. Enjoy Ireland lads and lasses, alright for a week or so then it's just plain boring, which is why most of them live in Liverpool I guess. Oh and forget Frankfurt...you'll be second class citizens there I expect.

No, probably about 55/45 for a Frexit. We've had enough as well, jeez we have our own immigration problems without getting all Germany's cast offs from time to time.

If you take the anti EU parties (and that includes both the hard right and the hard left at any given election they're pushing 40% already, throw in a bit of the right of the traditional right (not the FN) and you're past the post..

What saves the day for the pro-europeans every time is the 2 round system where the first past the poster isn't normally the winner because the others gang up on them.

Immigration problems caused by the EU? Remind me how many citizens from other EU states are in France?

What a pity, never mind, I'm sure that we'll all muddle through without them. Obviously they were only here because it suited them to be so. Enjoy Ireland lads and lasses, alright for a week or so then it's just plain boring, which is why most of them live in Liverpool I guess. Oh and forget Frankfurt...you'll be second class citizens there I expect.

Er... I think that's the whole point?

Immigration problems caused by the EU?

Yes and no. We have 2 problems, that of Africans and North Africans coming into the country through Spain and Italy as tourists and never leaving and all the migrants coming from Eastern Europe in general and Roumania in particular. They are causing havoc in our social welfare systems because of the way these are scaled. A family of 7 (2 adults, 5 children) can expect to claim through various allowances somewhere in the region of 3000 € a month or more, very little of this goes back into our economy as most of it goes straight back to Roumania and Bulgaria. The family then lives rough off odd jobs paid "au noir", begging and other unenviable sources of income. Come here and drive around the peripheries of big population centres, you'll see what I mean.

Err we've got about 2 and a half million EU migrants.

Immigration problems caused by the EU?

More like the French have created immigration problems for the EU by massive numbers from Algeria and the overseas French departments like Guadeloupe and French Guyana.

Has Gideon been seen yet . I guess he's busy drafting his emergency budget

Er... I think that's the whole point?

Its basic stuff that seems to elude so many people. Employers gave a choice, its our job to make sure its suits them to be here more than somewhere else - especially high wage jobs like Morgan Stanley. A secretary I used to work with left to go to Morgan Stanley - £60,000 pa as a PA in 2003.

Yes and no. We have 2 problems, that of Africans and North Africans coming into the country through Spain and Italy as tourists and never leaving and all the migrants coming from Eastern Europe in general and Roumania in particular. They are causing havoc in our social welfare systems because of the way these are scaled. A family of 7 (2 adults, 5 children) can expect to claim through various allowances somewhere in the region of 3000 € a month or more, very little of this goes back into our economy as most of it goes straight back to Roumania and Bulgaria. The family then lives rough off odd jobs paid "au noir", begging and other unenviable sources of income. Come here and drive around the peripheries of big population centres, you'll see what I mean.

You seem to say this a lot - just wondering if you can put a number on your claims.

You seem to say this a lot - just wondering if you can put a number on your claims.

About 2 and a half million all in all, spread over workers, retired people and social parasites. But then of course the workers and retired don't claim very much off the state. Add them to the 2 million other illegal immigrants causing havoc and we've got a problem.

More like the French have created immigration problems for the EU by massive numbers from Algeria and the overseas French departments like Guadeloupe and French Guyana.

People from Guadeloupe and French Guyana are French citizens not immigrants, unless it's their colour that's causing you a problem.

People from Guadeloupe, Martinique, Reunion, St Martin and French Guyana are French citizens not immigrants, unless it's their colour that's causing you a problem.

And they cause us very little problem at all because of their French upbringing. Whereas those from Mayotte....say no more.

About 2 and a half million all in all, spread over workers, retired people and social parasites. But then of course the workers and retired don't claim very much off the state. Add them to the 2 million other illegal immigrants causing havoc and we've got a problem.

2.5m illegal immigrants in France- Source?

If Krankie and her Braveheart Sweatys get their way , Brexit could be a win/win for England

2 m illegal immigrants in France- Source?

Sarkozyian estimate from a few years back.

And they cause us very little problem at all because of their French upbringing. Whereas those from Mayotte....say no more.

Isn't Mayotte also a département and a part of the EU?

If Krankie and her Braveheart Sweatys get their way , Brexit could be a win/win for England

I would call that lose/lose but I am quickly searching for my Scottish ancestors along with the Irish och ay the noo, to be sure, to be sure.

Isn't Mayotte also a département and a part of the EU?

Yes, quite recently but there are some fairly serious problems there and emanating from there because 40% of Mayotte residents are in fact illegal immigrants, or so they tell us on the news anyway. The Mahorais have decided to take matters into their own hands and just bung them into the sea or something.

After the BBC were reporting that the FTSE 100 was crashing, now that it clearly hasn't, they've now switched to the FTSE 250 LOL

#stockmarketcrash #bedwetters #ifcarlsbergdidcrashes

FTSE100 Crash!!

Sarkozyian estimate from a few years back.

So utter b*****ks then.

By the way, even Sarkozy's highly controversial and politicised numbers suggested that there were only 200,000-400,000 illegal immigrants. Tops.

So I have no idea how you've (I) chosen an unreliable estimate to begin and (II) then inflated the number by a magnitude of 6 to 12.

I'm afraid you're embarrassing yourself.

So utter b*****ks then.

 

By the way, even Sarkozy's highly controversial and politicised numbers suggested that there were only 200,000-400,000 illegal immigrants. Tops.

 

So I have no idea how you've (I) chosen an unreliable estimate to begin and (II) you've inflated the number by a magnitude of 6 to 12.

 

I'm afraid you're embarrassing yourself.

Suit yourself, I live here, I see the problem every day, you don't.

After the BBC were reporting that the FTSE 100 was crashing, now that it clearly hasn't, they've now switched to the FTSE 250 LOL

 

#stockmarketcrash #bedwetters #ifcarlsbergdidcrashes

 

FTSE100 Crash!!

I see that you've cut off the bit on the left hand side. The bit where it crashed. The FTSE 250 is more of an indication of what's happening since the bigger companies are multi-nationals who are less influenced by smaller countries.

Anyway. let's see where we are in 18 months time before we reach any conclusions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36561095

 

 

Sources within Morgan Stanley say it has already begun the process of moving about 2,000 of its London-based investment banking staff to Dublin or Frankfurt. And it has a taskforce in place.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/morgan-stanley-brexit-eu-referendum-jobs-dublin-frankfurt-a7100911.html

Morgan Stanley denies moving 2,000 London jobs to Dublin and Frankfurt

I see that you've cut off the bit on the left hand side. The bit where it crashed. The FTSE 250 is more of an indication of what's happening since the bigger companies are multi-nationals who are less influenced by smaller countries.

 

Anyway. let's see where we are in 18 months time before we reach any conclusions.

Perhaps far less, depends on the actual leaving process I expect. What we are seeing todays is panic from those most interested in the status quo continuing I suppose.

By the by how did the bookies get on? Did they take a hammering with those 4 and 5 to 1 against odds they were still offering yesterday evening?

I see that you've cut off the bit on the left hand side. The bit where it crashed. The FTSE 250 is more of an indication of what's happening since the bigger companies are multi-nationals who are less influenced by smaller countries.

 

Anyway. let's see where we are in 18 months time before we reach any conclusions.

I just copied the chart. It's not much down on the day and is actually up on monday's position...

FTSE 350 is up since monday, post 'crash' LOL

FTSE 250 is only 1.5% down on monday, post 'crash' LOL

Altogether now... "this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it...."

Suit yourself, I live here, I see the problem every day, you don't.

No you're wrong -I'd be inclined to attribute to old age but it is consistent with some of your other unsavoury views. I am a French citizen and have plenty of exposure to and contact with what's happening on the ground.

No you're wrong -I'd be inclined to attribute to old age but it is consistent with some of your other unsavoury views. I am a French citizen and have plenty of exposure to and contact with what's happening on the ground.

Ok.

No you're wrong -I'd be inclined to attribute to old age but it is consistent with some of your other unsavoury views. I am a French citizen and have plenty of exposure to and contact with what's happening on the ground.

what part of france you living in?

what part of france you living in?

Is this your preparation for a sad 'Brit living in France knows more about France than a French citizen living in Britian ' argument?

what part of france you living in?

2.5m illegal immigrants is ~10x higher than even the most extreme estimates.

But hey- I can see it with my eyes #gamesetmatch

Jibes about subsidies are a bit ironic from the elderly, healthcare and pension sucking Brexit generation.

Well I happen to be completely independent of the state and pay a fortune in tax every month so I pay for the privilege of having an opinion. I've had a proper Irish passport since 1963, dual nationality, English father, Irish mother and born in the old Irish Free State. I have an English passport again since the sixties and despise the EU and everything the twisted self serving monolith stands for. I do hope that we have had some small part in its eventual collapse.

Is this your preparation for a sad 'Brit living in France knows more about France than a French citizen living in Britian ' argument?

I'm a French citizen as well...

Anyway I see that Menard and Melenchon, hard hard right and harder than hardest left have proposed that English no longer be used as a working language at European encounters, makes sense really as we'll no longer be there. Let them all learn dutch and swedish.

2.5m illegal immigrants is ~10x higher than even the most extreme estimates.

 

But hey- I can see it with my eyes #gamesetmatch

where is that?

I just copied the chart. It's not much down on the day and is actually up on monday's position...

 

FTSE 350 is up since monday, post 'crash' LOL

FTSE 250 is only 1.5% down on monday, post 'crash' LOL

 

Altogether now... "this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it, this crash is sh it...."

Companies with factories in Britain: BMW down 7%, Honda, Nissan, TATA (Jaguar) and Toyota -8%. LOL, LOL, LOL

Detailed stats from a sample of over 12000 people surveyed by Lord Ashcroft yesterday.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/?

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where is that?

Best leave it, it's something over which most French are in complete denial anyway, even though the Cour des Comptes has pulled the alarm cord on 2 occasions recently concerning the disparity in those claiming asylum and those asking for free medical treatment. It's all about politics and we'll see who's right when it explodes in our faces or doesn't..

Companies with factories in Britain: BMW down 7%, Honda, Nissan, TATA (Jaguar) and Toyota -8%. LOL, LOL, LOL

Shell up, BP up, GSK up, Rolls Royce up, Unilever up, BAT up, Pearson up, Diageo up.

It's still a sh it crash...

Best leave it, it's something over which most French are in complete denial anyway, even though the Cour des Comptes has pulled the alarm cord on 2 occasions recently concerning the disparity in those claiming asylum and those asking for free medical treatment. It's all about politics and we'll see who's right when it explodes in our faces or doesn't..

my father in-law lives between Bordeaux and Bergerac. He moved over in 1990. Says it was simply stunning part of the world. Now there are oodles of eastern european beggers and crime is sky high in comparison from eastern European bods.

he messaged me earlier saying all the french people he knows are insanely jealous of the UK for voting out and the EU is no way popular what so ever in his small part of france.

the hysteria will calm down in 2 weeks, the Chilcot report will be out

Best leave it, it's something over which most French are in complete denial anyway, even though the Cour des Comptes has pulled the alarm cord on 2 occasions recently concerning the disparity in those claiming asylum and those asking for free medical treatment. It's all about politics and we'll see who's right when it explodes in our faces or doesn't..

Denial?

So the hard right that trades politically on fears of immigration is also in denial when it puts the figure at 200,000-400,000 -some 2.1 million to 2.3 million short of your estimate.

But hey our very own Peter Mayle has eyes on the ground

my father in-law lives between Bordeaux and Bergerac. He moved over in 1990. Says it was simply stunning part of the world. Now there are oodles of eastern european beggers and crime is sky high in comparison from eastern European bods.

he messaged me earlier saying all the french people he knows are insanely jealous of the UK for voting out and the EU is no way popular what so ever in his small part of france.

I hope he's taught you some french cuisine - bet you can make a mean croque-monsieur Jamie.

my father in-law lives between Bordeaux and Bergerac. He moved over in 1990. Says it was simply stunning part of the world. Now there are oodles of eastern european beggers and crime is sky high in comparison from eastern European bods.

he messaged me earlier saying all the french people he knows are insanely jealous of the UK for voting out and the EU is no way popular what so ever in his small part of france.

it's what you see on the ground everywhere yes but some just don't seem to want to notice it. I'm all for the mixity from all parts providing that everyone has the right to be here and does their bit even if it's not much. I'm am totally against sponging off a very generous system because eventually it will collapse. Unemployment is sky high here because of all of the social charges levied on salaries. A minimum wage worker costs his employer about 15 euros an hour and receives about half of that sum, where's the social justice in that when you can stay at home and get roughly the same?

Salaries etc are taxed, hand outs aren't, again no justice.

Two Brit immigrants to France bemoaning immigration and how the French should crack down on it.

Detailed stats from a sample of over 12000 people surveyed by Lord Ashcroft yesterday.

 

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/?

 

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Thanks, very interesting. What I find rather scary is how many only got round to making up their minds in the last week.

Two Brit immigrants to France bemoaning immigration and how the French should crack down on it.

As i say I'm a citizen,have been for a very long time.

As i say I'm a citizen,have been for a very long time.

A naturalized citizen. A first generation immigrant.

A naturalized citizen. A first generation immigrant.

OK, nothing to add there.

Thanks, very interesting. What I find rather scary is how many only got round to making up their minds in the last week.

Yep very good. some we knew before but a lot was new information. The choice of next Conservative leader could have been done a bit better - I would have liked to see David Davis on the list

Very good article from Phillip Collins

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-will-take-an-age-to-recover-from-this-victory-for-the-exit-fantasists-zzfpxsc66