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murder in the Philippines. if only they stayed away from Iraq

Not quite sure what that sentence is supposed to mean but there's obviously been no Western meddling in the Philippines, no sir:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom_%E2%80%93_Philippines

So Cameron said it, the former head of MI5 said it. Yet when Corbyn says it the media jump on him and try to twist his words.

ISIS hate our way of life and want to turn the World into a global caliphate. But it is just blatantly obvious that bombing and killing innocent people in Muslim countries makes it easier for them to recruit. The bloke who killed Lee Rigby mentioned this in his own words, the 7/7 bombers I think said the same. ISIS even mentioned the RAF in their pathetic attempt to justify what happened in Manchester.

I think it's the attempts by Corbyn's crusade to conflate (Labour) foreign policy 15 years ago with current foreign policy that is raising eyebrows.

Crazy numbers, why did we open our borders to this http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/staggering-scale-terror-threat-revealed-10508982

I think it's the attempts by Corbyn's crusade to conflate (Labour) foreign policy 15 years ago with current foreign policy that is raising eyebrows.

Our Foreign secretary in 2014:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10901651/Blairs-Iraq-invasion-was-a-tragic-error-and-hes-mad-to-deny-it.html

Our current defence secretary slating what he thought was Corby's words but was in fact our foreign secretary's. complete ****ing car crash.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-michael-fallon-slates-jeremy-10508519

The Tories are just trying to use the Manchester bombing to score political points. Corbyn never said anything wrong.

Our current defence secretary slating what he thought was Corby's words but was in fact our foreign secretary's. complete ****ing car crash.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-michael-fallon-slates-jeremy-10508519

 

The Tories are just trying to use the Manchester bombing to score political points. Corbyn never said anything wrong.

he did. Blaming foreign policy is an easy get-out

he did. Blaming foreign policy is an easy get-out

But Cameron and our current foreign secretary said exactly the same thing.

Looks like the Tories are trying to twist his words to mean something they don't for political gain. Problem is they, along with former MI5 chiefs have said the exact same words.

But Cameron and our current foreign secretary said exactly the same thing.

 

Looks like the Tories are trying to twist his words to mean something they don't for political gain. Problem is they, along with former MI5 chiefs have said the exact same words.

It was an easy get out then and still is. IMO

Jesus, dianne abbot having a mare again on the radio

It was an easy get out then and still is. IMO

Obviously you'll be spoiling your vote then?

Obviously you'll be spoiling your vote then?

already voted. My local (tory) MP is very pro armed forces (being an ex serviceman himself) and does loads of great work in our area.

He is pretty popular.

already voted. My local (tory) MP is very pro armed forces (being an ex serviceman himself) and does loads of great work in our area.

He is pretty popular.

But the senior Tory leadership all blame the actions of the armed forces for increasing the risk of terrorism at home. How can you vote those types of people in?

But the senior Tory leadership all blame the actions of the armed forces for increasing the risk of terrorism at home. How can you vote those types of people in?

are they?

thought Labour under blair did the best job of screwing things over.

are they?

thought Labour under blair did the best job of screwing things over.

Well Fallon doesn't seem to, but then he does keeps fluffing the interviews I've seen.

Well Fallon doesn't seem to, but then he does keeps fluffing the interviews I've seen.

OK.

OK.

OK.

Quite incredible how badly the Tories are doing really against zero opposition.

But Cameron and our current foreign secretary said exactly the same thing.

 

Looks like the Tories are trying to twist his words to mean something they don't for political gain. Problem is they, along with former MI5 chiefs have said the exact same words.

Making foreign policy choices they don't like encourages Islamic terrorism.

Drawing a cartoon they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Writing a book they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Following a religion they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Living a lifestyle they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Just one central theme at the end of the day.

I stopped reading when you said I have a problem with Muslims as frankly you are an idiot. The laughable thing is I married into a Muslim family and by your own admission you do not know any personally yet you act as if you are the spokesman for the Muslim population. You are the very definition of a virtue signalling leftie, safe in your leafy suburb whose views are aired simply to make yourself feel smug and superior to others. Frankly you and others of your ilk are part of the problem but thankfully you are a diminishing number as more people wake up to the problem and more practical solutions are offered. It's not about demonising all Muslims, it's about recognising that Islam is a part of the problem and discussing how various parties including Muslims can come together to tackle this issue. Burying your head in the sand does more harm than good.

Yes I remember you telling us that you married into a Muslim family but that they weren't practising Muslims (and I think you added "thank goodness" to that). So if they aren't practising, they aren't Muslims surely? Please don't pretend that you don't have an issue with Muslims. Your posts on here are pretty damning.

So because I don't know any Muslims personally I am not allowed to have a point of view about them? Now that really is laughable. I don't know any Saints players personally either so I guess that rules me out (and most here) on having an opinion about the team? You seem to have picked this up from Whelk. You did so much better when you were following CB Fry's lead.

I don't live in a leafy suburb. I live 5 miles from Ashford, a town that has had armed security deployed this week. I went to Canterbury today, another place with armed security deployed this week. I was in Paris a week or two before the Bataclan massacre. My daughters live in Brighton and Glasgow. We are no safer than you, Batman or Sour Mash. What a very naïve comment. Nobody is safe from these people. I do not feel smug and superior to others but I am happy that I am not a blinkered intolerant Islamophobe. To say me and others like me are the problem once again shows you in your true colours. We are not in a diminishing number. More and more people are calling you and your like about your blinkered views. Once again, Islam is not the problem. The problem lies with a group of people who chose to use religion as an excuse for their actions. If Islam was the problem we would have a far greater issue on our hands. It is not a question of putting one's head in the sand, it is a question of not playing into ISIS's hands. Division is exactly what they want.

Talking of smug and superior, have you noticed how your posts denigrate many decent, peaceful people just because they have a different religion? As I said before, you need to change your name from Hypochondriac to Hypocrite.

Oh, and by the way, instead of slinking over to another site, down voting me and slinking away again, why not stay and join the debate? Man up stop behaving like a spineless coward. Or are you worried that the other posters will rip you to shreds again?

We make a nice little club in your own deluded mind because it's easier for you to process things that's way. It's really the mindset of a racist to lump everyone who thinks differently to you into one category. What you have also missed are other Muslims who have been in the media who believe it is very much to do with Islam. How do you explain them? I've never said all Muslims are terrorists by the way, that's just another lie to add to the litany you have already spouted throughout this thread.

 

On a separate note, I see that well known Christian Katie Hopkins has proved she has much in common with that other Christian icon Adolf Hitler by calling for a final solution. That's just more evidence to definitively prove that Hopkins is indeed a holy figure in the faith. We can file the latest piece of evidence next to her claim that she was Jesus Christ and Hitler having a Christian belt buckle.

Where did I say that you said that all Muslims are terrorists? You accuse me of lying but you seem to live in some parallel universe when it comes to facts. Don't worry about Katie Hopkins, although you wont be able to enjoy her on LBC anymore you can still read her poisonous bile in the Mail. By the way, apparently the newsroom at LBC all cheered when it was announced that she had been sacked. Good to know that she is held in such contempt amongst her peers. Did Hitler have a Christian belt buckle? I think you are making that up.

(ps. Germany was and still is predominantly Christian country. They were a Christian country in 1939 to 1945 and there is a mountain of information out there about this religion and National Socialism. I know you don't want to believe it but go on, do yourself a favour a research it - you can start with Positive Christianity).

[emoji38] not this again! Hitler was not a Christian you complete fruit loop.

Making foreign policy choices they don't like encourages Islamic terrorism.

Drawing a cartoon they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Writing a book they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Following a religion they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Living a lifestyle they don't like encourages Islamic terror.

Just one central theme at the end of the day.

I wonder if Corbyn thinks Coptic Christian foreign policy is responsible for the slaughter of Coptic Christians by Islamists in Egypt in the last couple of days.

I wonder if Corbyn thinks Coptic Christian foreign policy is responsible for the slaughter of Coptic Christians by Islamists in Egypt in the last couple of days.

Don't forget Boris Johnson, David Cameron and the former head of MI5. They all said the same remember.

Don't forget Boris Johnson, David Cameron and the former head of MI5. They all said the same remember.

fair point.

But there is clearly a lot more to this than foreign policy. Draw a cartoon and you risk getting murdered, ffs

fair point.

But there is clearly a lot more to this than foreign policy. Draw a cartoon and you risk getting murdered, ffs

Yeah obviously.

But when it comes to recruiting people for their death cult "we hate their way of life and they bomb our innocent children" probably works better than "we just hate their way of life".

Yeah obviously.

 

But when it comes to recruiting people for their death cult "we hate their way of life and they bomb our innocent children" probably works better than "we just hate their way of life".

but then belgium, Sweden and Germany do not bomb them back to the stone age

France spent the most the turn of the century opposed to war in the middle east. Yet they all have it far worse than us

Yes I remember you telling us that you married into a Muslim family but that they weren't practising Muslims (and I think you added "thank goodness" to that). So if they aren't practising, they aren't Muslims surely? Please don't pretend that you don't have an issue with Muslims. Your posts on here are pretty damning.

 

So because I don't know any Muslims personally I am not allowed to have a point of view about them? Now that really is laughable. I don't know any Saints players personally either so I guess that rules me out (and most here) on having an opinion about the team? You seem to have picked this up from Whelk. You did so much better when you were following CB Fry's lead.

 

I don't live in a leafy suburb. I live 5 miles from Ashford, a town that has had armed security deployed this week. I went to Canterbury today, another place with armed security deployed this week. I was in Paris a week or two before the Bataclan massacre. My daughters live in Brighton and Glasgow. We are no safer than you, Batman or Sour Mash. What a very naïve comment. Nobody is safe from these people. I do not feel smug and superior to others but I am happy that I am not a blinkered intolerant Islamophobe. To say me and others like me are the problem once again shows you in your true colours. We are not in a diminishing number. More and more people are calling you and your like about your blinkered views. Once again, Islam is not the problem. The problem lies with a group of people who chose to use religion as an excuse for their actions. If Islam was the problem we would have a far greater issue on our hands. It is not a question of putting one's head in the sand, it is a question of not playing into ISIS's hands. Division is exactly what they want.

 

Talking of smug and superior, have you noticed how your posts denigrate many decent, peaceful people just because they have a different religion? As I said before, you need to change your name from Hypochondriac to Hypocrite.

 

Oh, and by the way, instead of slinking over to another site, down voting me and slinking away again, why not stay and join the debate? Man up stop behaving like a spineless coward. Or are you worried that the other posters will rip you to shreds again?

I didn't get your reference to me SOG?

[emoji38] not this again! Hitler was not a Christian you complete fruit loop.

It is beyond debating. Every white paedophile is a Christian in SOG's world

[emoji38] not this again! Hitler was not a Christian you complete fruit loop.

You might want to check that again.

It is beyond debating. Every white paedophile is a Christian in SOG's world

No more weird than every brown bomber is a muslim. Hitler promoted his own perverted version of Christianity - Positive Christianity - to provide a theological / moral base for Nazism. The idea was to reassure anyone who had doubts about the killing and mad actions that it was okay because God was on their side. Its a highly effective technique with many examples of it throughout history and has direct parallels with IS. Hitler's version was repudiated by the established German Church. The IS version of Islam is rejected by leaders of Islam.

Its so clear Im not sure why its takes 102 pages of bile and finger pointing to get there.

No more weird than every brown bomber is a muslim. Hitler promoted his own perverted version of Christianity - Positive Christianity - to provide a theological / moral base for Nazism. The idea was to reassure anyone who had doubts about the killing and mad actions that it was okay because God was on their side. Its a highly effective technique with many examples of it throughout history and has direct parallels with IS. Hitler's version was repudiated by the established German Church. The IS version of Islam is rejected by leaders of Islam.

 

Its so clear Im not sure why its takes 102 pages of bile and finger pointing to get there.

Yeah so clear it is you and a handful of others that believe it. Clueless and laughably daft comparison.

[emoji38] not this again! Hitler was not a Christian you complete fruit loop.

Instead of expending energy calling me names I suggest you go and do your research. You made a dumb comment about Hitler's belt buckle but it is a fact that the German shoulders had the inscription "Gott Mit Uns" on their buckles. The soldiers also had to swear an oath - "I swear by God this holy oath...to Adolf Hitler." There are countless references to senior party members attending church (Christian church). We have covered it in depth here before and there is a ton of information about Nazi Germany and Christianity out there if you bothered to look - not easy when your head is in the sand though is it?

As for Katie Hopkins - raised in a convent. Made a fuss about being able to take her daughter to a nativity play (you know what nativity plays are all about Hypo don't you? Its celebrating the birth of the person Christianity is named after, so probably a Christian ceremony). To my knowledge has never slagged off Christianity but has spent many column inches slagging off Muslims. Still all you seem to worry about is whether she is a Christian or not, not about her Islamophobic bile, which speaks volumes about where you are coming from.

You seem to delight in saying I am the only one who says that this is not about Islam. Many senior world leaders have said this too but because they don't hung out on an internet football chat line, you seem to ignore them.

Finally, you get your panties in a bunch about Muslims needing to do more against extremism (you know, like "we" do with murders in "our" society). Here is one for you. Abedi flew a black Jihadi flag from his window. He was banned from his mosque. His Imam reported him. His family reported him. His friends and acquaintances reported him. Seems like a bunch of Muslims did quite a lot in this case and were let down by the security forces. But hey, let's just keep slagging off all Muslims shall we?

Anyway, I am off to make a new bunch of Muslim friends now so I can join in this discussion properly!

Anyway, I am off to make a new bunch of Muslim friends now so I can join in this discussion properly!

Don't get roped into driving aid into Syria. Despite you thinking the best of people they won't respect your tolerance.

Instead of expending energy calling me names I suggest you go and do your research. You made a dumb comment about Hitler's belt buckle but it is a fact that the German shoulders had the inscription "Gott Mit Uns" on their buckles. The soldiers also had to swear an oath - "I swear by God this holy oath...to Adolf Hitler." There are countless references to senior party members attending church (Christian church). We have covered it in depth here before and there is a ton of information about Nazi Germany and Christianity out there if you bothered to look - not easy when your head is in the sand though is it?

 

As for Katie Hopkins - raised in a convent. Made a fuss about being able to take her daughter to a nativity play (you know what nativity plays are all about Hypo don't you? Its celebrating the birth of the person Christianity is named after, so probably a Christian ceremony). To my knowledge has never slagged off Christianity but has spent many column inches slagging off Muslims. Still all you seem to worry about is whether she is a Christian or not, not about her Islamophobic bile, which speaks volumes about where you are coming from.

 

You seem to delight in saying I am the only one who says that this is not about Islam. Many senior world leaders have said this too but because they don't hung out on an internet football chat line, you seem to ignore them.

 

Finally, you get your panties in a bunch about Muslims needing to do more against extremism (you know, like "we" do with murders in "our" society). Here is one for you. Abedi flew a black Jihadi flag from his window. He was banned from his mosque. His Imam reported him. His family reported him. His friends and acquaintances reported him. Seems like a bunch of Muslims did quite a lot in this case and were let down by the security forces. But hey, let's just keep slagging off all Muslims shall we?

 

Anyway, I am off to make a new bunch of Muslim friends now so I can join in this discussion properly!

And convenient argument for you listing horrible people and tagging them Christians. You mention others doing their research but is staggering how little you understand about faith. Right ring columnists who bang on about Christian society to attack others are not Christians.

And convenient argument for you listing horrible people and tagging them Christians. You mention others doing their research but is staggering how little you understand about faith. Right ring columnists who bang on about Christian society to attack others are not Christians.

at least we have moved forward from calling the victims 'crisis actors'

those were heady days

Anyway, I am off to make a new bunch of Muslim friends now so I can join in this discussion properly!

Do you really not have any Muslim friends? That really does seem quite astonishing to me.

Yeah so clear it is you and a handful of others that believe it. Clueless and laughably daft comparison.

So you didn't know about Hitler's use of Christianity to pursue his own ends, you made yourself look stupid and so you want to lash out. Fair enough. Once the tantrum is over, maybe you can think about how leaders through history have used twisted versions of religion to justify their own mad ambitions.

So you didn't know about Hitler's use of Christianity to pursue his own ends, you made yourself look stupid and so you want to lash out. Fair enough. Once the tantrum is over, maybe you can think about how leaders through history have used twisted versions of religion to justify their own mad ambitions.

Doris Bergen's Twisted Cross: The German Christian Movement in the Third Reich and Richard Steigmann-Gall's Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity are very good treatments of the subject. Steigmann-Gall's work is particularly hard-hitting.

but then belgium, Sweden and Germany do not bomb them back to the stone age

France spent the most the turn of the century opposed to war in the middle east. Yet they all have it far worse than us

Best tell that to Boris Johnson, David Cameron and the former head of MI5 then because they all agree with Corbyn on this.

The words of one of the 7/7 bombers:

"Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world.

And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.

Until we feel security, you will be our targets. And until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight.

We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation."

From one of Lee Rigbys killers:

"I am a soldier of Allah," he told the jury. "It is a war between Islam and those militaries that intervene in Muslim lands."

So you didn't know about Hitler's use of Christianity to pursue his own ends, you made yourself look stupid and so you want to lash out. Fair enough. Once the tantrum is over, maybe you can think about how leaders through history have used twisted versions of religion to justify their own mad ambitions.

Problem is such threads are normally populated by smug intellectuals ferreting away and presenting their research. And don't worry old boy with your passive aggressive ways of thinking you spot tantrums and congratulating yourself on your emotional intelligence - in your own head.

As I said before laughable that you think this argument stands but then you and others do regularly show yourselves to be stupid fckers.

And no offence but cannot be arsed to read anything on the matter.

Best tell that to Boris Johnson, David Cameron and the former head of MI5 then because they all agree with Corbyn on this.

 

The words of one of the 7/7 bombers:

 

"Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world.

 

And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.

 

Until we feel security, you will be our targets. And until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight.

 

We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation."

 

From one of Lee Rigbys killers:

 

"I am a soldier of Allah," he told the jury. "It is a war between Islam and those militaries that intervene in Muslim lands."

I don't see any validity in taking the word of two preening Salafist narcissists as evidence of anything.

Mohammad Siddique Khan's reference to 'my people' is self-aggrandising bull****. 'His people'? He grew up in Beeston in Leeds. He had zero contact with anyone who actually suffered through anything you'd remotely describe as war.

Michael Adebolajo was born in Lambeth in South London and grew up a Christian.

What both of them have in common is that were radicalised by members of al-Muhajiroun, the extreme Salafist group run variously by Abu Hamsa and Anjem Choudary.

Neither of them was a 'soldier' of anything - just over-eager recruits to a death cult, willing to kill anyone in acts of self-glorification.

I don't see any validity in taking the word of two preening Salafist narcissists as evidence of anything.

 

Mohammad Siddique Khan's reference to 'my people' is self-aggrandising bull****. 'His people'? He grew up in Beeston in Leeds. He had zero contact with anyone who actually suffered through anything you'd remotely describe as war.

 

Michael Adebolajo was born in Lambeth in South London and grew up a Christian.

 

What both of them have in common is that were radicalised by members of al-Muhajiroun, the extreme Salafist group run variously by Abu Hamsa and Anjem Choudary.

 

Neither of them was a 'soldier' of anything - just over-eager recruits to a death cult, willing to kill anyone in acts of self-glorification.

Everything you say is of course correct but you miss two important points.

1. They were not soldiers yes, but they believed they were.

2. When a Muslim says "brothers" or "my people" they just mean people of the same faith - wether they have been to the places or actually met the people is irrelevant.

I don't see any validity in taking the word of two preening Salafist narcissists as evidence of anything.

 

Mohammad Siddique Khan's reference to 'my people' is self-aggrandising bull****. 'His people'? He grew up in Beeston in Leeds. He had zero contact with anyone who actually suffered through anything you'd remotely describe as war.

 

Michael Adebolajo was born in Lambeth in South London and grew up a Christian.

 

What both of them have in common is that were radicalised by members of al-Muhajiroun, the extreme Salafist group run variously by Abu Hamsa and Anjem Choudary.

 

Neither of them was a 'soldier' of anything - just over-eager recruits to a death cult, willing to kill anyone in acts of self-glorification.

Everything you say is of course correct but you miss two important points.

1. They were not soldiers yes, but they believed they were. That's quite important when you are trying to understand their motivation behind what they do.

2. When a Muslim says "brothers" or "my people" they just mean people of the same faith - wether they have been to the places or actually met the people is irrelevant.

It is beyond debating. Every white paedophile is a Christian in SOG's world

You are going to show some proof that I ever said that Whelk. I expect this sort of thing from hypochondriac but thought you were above it? To make it easier for you, I don't believe your statement, but given that plenty of Christian clergy have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling it clearly does happen with some. Of course, for some strange reason for some, it is much worse if it is carried out by a Muslim. Go figure.

Problem is such threads are normally populated by smug intellectuals ferreting away and presenting their research. And don't worry old boy with your passive aggressive ways of thinking you spot tantrums and congratulating yourself on your emotional intelligence - in your own head.

As I said before laughable that you think this argument stands but then you and others do regularly show yourselves to be stupid fckers.

And no offence but cannot be arsed to read anything on the matter.

Goodness knows why anyone would want to educate themselves when they have already made up their mind on a subject, no matter how wrong. Far better to continue to make inane comments about belt buckles than seek the truth of the matter, eh?

Do you really not have any Muslim friends? That really does seem quite astonishing to me.

Strangely enough, I don't make friends according to race, creed, gender, sexuality etc. But I clearly need to do so if I am to remain in this debate. Oddly enough I prefer dogs over cats, but have neither too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=59&v=BFqoC7IQz8Y

Jamie, I guess you thought Ali Dia was a professional footballer too, pal

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2017/04/11/4651763.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/our-public-discourse-is-weakened-by-onetrick-contrarians-20170524-gwbuji.html

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4672973.htm

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