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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    How do you know what happened Iím that family? Did you share a house with them? How would you feel if a child of yours ended up like this? Are you saying it was their fault?
    There is a responsibility to bring your kids up s9 they know right from wrong.
    You absolving them without knowing anything about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    There is a responsibility to bring your kids up s9 they know right from wrong.
    You absolving them without knowing anything about them?
    So that is worse than condemning them without knowing anything about them. Our prisons are full of murders, rapists, theives. Should we bang up their parents too for letting their children get that way? If his family have connections to ISIS or encouraged him anyway I am sure that will be dealt with. So far that doesn’t seem to be the case.

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    Personally I think it’s wrong for any parent to impose any religious belief on their children. Extreme or otherwise. Sadly that’s not going to change any time soon and we will continue to live with this sort of nonsense.

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    What about Yaxley-Lennons parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    So that is worse than condemning them without knowing anything about them. Our prisons are full of murders, rapists, theives. Should we bang up their parents too for letting their children get that way? If his family have connections to ISIS or encouraged him anyway I am sure that will be dealt with. So far that doesnít seem to be the case.
    Might be a slight deterrent to these fckers if they thought their parents would be punished for their actions.

    I donít know in this case but the Manchester bomberís family had ties to extremism and hating the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    What about Yaxley-Lennons parents?
    Ever the erudite contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Personally I think itís wrong for any parent to impose any religious belief on their children. Extreme or otherwise. Sadly thatís not going to change any time soon and we will continue to live with this sort of nonsense.
    Not going to change because of course parents teach their kids their beliefs. That is parenting.

    More worrying is any edict of freedom of expression that everyone seems to want to impose.
    Donít get me started on the BAFTA lot banging on a bout diversity from their posh privileged positions.
    Tenuous link I admit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Listen to yourself. What do you know of that family other than they are Muslims?
    I know their child is an Islamic extremist IS follower and a terrorist. I know he displayed worrying signs to his family potentially for years and there's no sign that he was reported or stopped from from doing it. Being Muslim is largely irrelevant save for the fact that their mad religion means its easier to find like minded people within it who hate the west and have sympathy towards extremists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    How would you feel if that was your son? They will have to live with the shame. The only upside is that he didnít manage to kill anyone.
    How do you know they feel shame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    How do you know they feel shame?
    Are you saying that Muslims mothers don’t feel the loss of there sons the same way any other mother would? According to the reports she was “devastated.” You sound more like Batman everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    I know their child is an Islamic extremist IS follower and a terrorist. I know he displayed worrying signs to his family potentially for years and there's no sign that he was reported or stopped from from doing it. Being Muslim is largely irrelevant save for the fact that their mad religion means its easier to find like minded people within it who hate the west and have sympathy towards extremists.
    How do you know this? Because you read it in the papers? Makes you an expert on their family situation. When you say he wasn’t stopped from doing it, don’t you think that being arrested for terrorist activities stopped him from doing it? Do you know what part his parents/family played in the arrest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Are you saying that Muslims mothers donít feel the loss of there sons the same way any other mother would? According to the reports she was ďdevastated.Ē You sound more like Batman everyday.
    In what world is feeling the loss of a child the same as feeling shame? You have no idea what this family is like.

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    The bottom line is, no matter what you think of Muslims or foreigners, we all have to share the planet and find a way of living together. This constant round of blood letting on the streets is not going to end until we take some responsibility too. Just saying it is a Muslim problem and they need to sort it out isn’t going to work. We have a new PM who says he is going to energise Britain. Perhaps he can start by finding a way of engaging with radical elements who want to kill us that doesn’t involve just shooting them dead or locking them up. The current plan is to lock them up for longer. All that does is delay the inevitable. Perhaps the government needs to do more in understanding why this is happening on our streets and what they can do to prevent it in the first place. Things don’t happen in a vacuum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    The bottom line is, no matter what you think of Muslims or foreigners, we all have to share the planet and find a way of living together. This constant round of blood letting on the streets is not going to end until we take some responsibility too. Just saying it is a Muslim problem and they need to sort it out isnít going to work. We have a new PM who says he is going to energise Britain. Perhaps he can start by finding a way of engaging with radical elements who want to kill us that doesnít involve just shooting them dead or locking them up. The current plan is to lock them up for longer. All that does is delay the inevitable. Perhaps the government needs to do more in understanding why this is happening on our streets and what they can do to prevent it in the first place. Things donít happen in a vacuum.
    Yep we need to keep them locked up for longer whilst working to stop their brainwashing. Part of that involves cracking down on extremist propaganda eminating from mosques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Part of that involves cracking down on extremist propaganda eminating from mosques.
    The Qur'an says kill the non believers

    The Bible instructs genocides

    It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God

    They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    The Qur'an says kill the non believers

    The Bible instructs genocides

    It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God

    They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatred
    When you can draw direct links between church leaders and violent Christian extremists in the UK then I'll call for similar levels of surveillance on churches. I don't think we should be censoring any texts that's the wrong way to go but we definitely need to scrutinise some high profile mosques to a greater degree than we currently do.

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    It doesn't help that we continue to buy oil from Saudi Arabia enabling them to finance the spread of their wahhabi doctrine, and it doesn't help further that we want to sell arms to them.

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    These attacks will never stop because of this, sadly.

    “The apocalyptic catch? The Mahdi is expected to appear when the world is wracked by utter chaos and war”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    The Qur'an says kill the non believers

    The Bible instructs genocides

    It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God

    They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatred
    Exactly this. The culture and education level are far more important in determining mindset and tolerance. My girlfriend is third generation UK born Pakistani Christian. Her view of the world is the same as any liberal but what she tells me about Pakistani born grandmothers attitude would curl your teeth. Same for my work colleague who has an Iraqi Christian born mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    When you can draw direct links between church leaders and violent Christian extremists in the UK then I'll call for similar levels of surveillance on churches. I don't think we should be censoring any texts that's the wrong way to go but we definitely need to scrutinise some high profile mosques to a greater degree than we currently do.
    It remains a book that condones genocide, slavery, sexism, homophobia and many others. If someone were to write a new book that condones all of them it would breach UK law, but as it is in the Bible it is allowed to be printed. Double standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    It remains a book that condones genocide, slavery, sexism, homophobia and many others. If someone were to write a new book that condones all of them it would breach UK law, but as it is in the Bible it is allowed to be printed. Double standards.
    How did I know if you were on this thread youíd be evangelising about your atheism. Serious issues to be so fervent. Do you get worked up about Father Christmas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    The Qur'an says kill the non believers

    The Bible instructs genocides

    It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God

    They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatred
    Koran says suicide is not on either.
    You show yourself every time to be no theologian. Peddling your simpleton views should be cause for embarrassment not something to trumpet as someone who has greater understanding.

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    Rehabilitation needs to be improved right across the board for offenders of all types who will be released at some point.
    There is hardly any serious effort or funding being put into this at the moment, and it is very clear that we have no workable plan for tackling those who have been radicalised.
    The sooner our government ministers stop spouting that we are the best in the world at everything, the better.
    Let's listen for a change, in this case, to those countries who have had more success in these areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Koran says suicide is not on either.
    You show yourself every time to be no theologian. Peddling your simpleton views should be cause for embarrassment not something to trumpet as someone who has greater understanding.
    Your post is not a rebuttal to anything I said! I made no mention of suicide, so how is that relevant?

    What about my post is false? Are you denying the Bible concondones genocide, slavery, sexism & homophobia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Koran says suicide is not on either.
    This gives martyrdom justification as they are supposed to be living in paradise and not dead...

    Verse 154 of al-Baqara reads:

    And say not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah, “They are dead.” Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not.

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    The most dangerous phrase in history; "God wills it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    This gives martyrdom justification as they are supposed to be living in paradise and not dead...

    Verse 154 of al-Baqara reads:

    And say not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah, ďThey are dead.Ē Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not.
    Watch out sound like you might be ripe for radicalisation. Protesteth too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    The bottom line is, no matter what you think of Muslims or foreigners, we all have to share the planet and find a way of living together. This constant round of blood letting on the streets is not going to end until we take some responsibility too. Just saying it is a Muslim problem and they need to sort it out isn’t going to work. We have a new PM who says he is going to energise Britain. Perhaps he can start by finding a way of engaging with radical elements who want to kill us that doesn’t involve just shooting them dead or locking them up. The current plan is to lock them up for longer. All that does is delay the inevitable. Perhaps the government needs to do more in understanding why this is happening on our streets and what they can do to prevent it in the first place. Things don’t happen in a vacuum.
    And the answer is......

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    How did I know if you were on this thread youíd be evangelising about your atheism. Serious issues to be so fervent. Do you get worked up about Father Christmas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    How did I know if you were on this thread you’d be evangelising about your atheism. Serious issues to be so fervent.
    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
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    Evangelism is something only Christians can do. By definition it is solely a Christian thing.

    In any case, I did not mention Atheism, my posts are on topic concerning religious terrorism and their holy books.

    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Do you get worked up about Father Christmas?
    Belief in Father Christmas does generally not influence people's actions negatively to the point it harms other people. It does in the case of religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    And the answer is......
    Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing.
    I'm sorry but that's just laughably simplistic. Now I see why you voted for Labour...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing.
    Isn't 'Islam' the root cause for 'Islamic fuelled terrorism' or are there other 'root causes' that need dealing with?

    I get the stop dropping bombs bit, but would that stop the terrorism even if the UK stopped dropping them - aren't all 'Westerners' considered fair game by the terrorists?

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    The warped idealogy of Islamic extremism cannot be reasoned with or pacified, short of destroying Israel and the whole world converting.
    On a historical basis its a tragedy that one of the great cultures in human history is tainted with such pointless barbarism.
    It's a battle that cannot be won completely, as far as this country is concerned we are seen as a legimate enemy due to our support of the US and hence Israel, our involvement in the Gulf war, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Indoctrinated people are not rational, that goes for all religions. I'm comfortable for terrorists to be shot dead, those that escape their immediate journey to paradise should be given whole life jail terms, the risk of re-offending is clearly too high, and the "root causes" are complex and impossible to irradicate.
    We live in a genuine multi-cultural tolerant society, the fact that mosques haven't been attacked en-masse after every terrorist murder proves that, and generally we disdain the far right bigots as much as the religious nutters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    I'm sorry but that's just laughably simplistic. Now I see why you voted for Labour...
    gEt BrExIt DoNe!

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    Should we let this cnt out Jonny?

    Terror prisoner set for release had called for 'year of fear' http://news.sky.com/story/terror-pri...-fear-11927196

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing.
    How? The root cause is a religion that has a Holy Book that instructs followers to kill non-believers. How do you go about dealing with that? The terrorists are following the Holy Book accurately, the 'moderates' are cherry picking and ignoring the abhorrent parts of the Holy book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing.
    To be fair, the whole region has been unstable for thousands of years.

    Last century, there were nearly 100 conflicts between 1900-2000, many of them not involving the west.

    The bible draws reference to many a conflict and the Quran was compiled in the midst of war and conflict.

    So let's not pretend that all the regions ills are down to the wicked west. At the end of the day, even the Romans struggled to keep a lid on things in the region of peace LOL

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    English education league table topped by all-girls Muslim faith school
    Can't all be preaching hate and subjugating women

    https://www.ft.com/content/690bc7d0-...3-955839e06441

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Can't all be preaching hate and subjugating women

    https://www.ft.com/content/690bc7d0-...3-955839e06441
    Being top of the table doesn't mean those things aren't happening. The religious element of a Islamic faith school still has women below men if it is following the scripture.

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    What about this guy Soggy, another shining light of the Muslim community who is innocent of all charges - like he claims to be - and someone who's mother should be proud of him?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-51400736

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Can't all be preaching hate and subjugating women

    https://www.ft.com/content/690bc7d0-...3-955839e06441
    Without paying to read that article, the headline doesn’t surprise me. The Muslim women I went to school with were generally very academic and one particular individual was top of the class in pretty much everything. Then in our final year of sixth form she went for some work experience/placement scheme and didn’t get it. Basically she had no hobbies and interests aside from going home and studying every day and after 5 minutes of the interview had run out of things to talk about.

    No idea if that’s a general trend but I’d be interested to see how their sports, art, drama, D of E etc. Compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    What about this guy Soggy, another shining light of the Muslim community who is innocent of all charges - like he claims to be - and someone who's mother should be proud of him?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-51400736
    Nah its the west's fault for bombing things. Nothing to do with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Bognor View Post
    To be fair, the whole region has been unstable for thousands of years.

    Last century, there were nearly 100 conflicts between 1900-2000, many of them not involving the west.

    The bible draws reference to many a conflict and the Quran was compiled in the midst of war and conflict.

    So let's not pretend that all the regions ills are down to the wicked west. At the end of the day, even the Romans struggled to keep a lid on things in the region of peace LOL
    All true but peace in the Middle East is not the issue here, it how we make ourselves less of a target for sick Islamic nut-jobs over here. Our involvement in wars over there and alignment to the US and Israel has to be a factor. ISIS use images of innocent victims of western air strikes as propaganda and they are a powerful tool which these sickos probably see as some sort of justification for their depraved actions.

    There is obviously way more to it than just revenge for our foreign policy but to say it makes no difference defies logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    All true but peace in the Middle East is not the issue here, it how we make ourselves less of a target for sick Islamic nut-jobs over here. Our involvement in wars over there and alignment to the US and Israel has to be a factor. ISIS use images of innocent victims of western air strikes as propaganda and they are a powerful tool which these sickos probably see as some sort of justification for their depraved actions.

    There is obviously way more to it than just revenge for our foreign policy but to say it makes no difference defies logic.
    What about Germany, France, Morocco, Egypt, Mali, Indonesia, Australia, Iraq, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nigeria and Burkina Faso?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    All true but peace in the Middle East is not the issue here, it how we make ourselves less of a target for sick Islamic nut-jobs over here. Our involvement in wars over there and alignment to the US and Israel has to be a factor. ISIS use images of innocent victims of western air strikes as propaganda and they are a powerful tool which these sickos probably see as some sort of justification for their depraved actions.

    There is obviously way more to it than just revenge for our foreign policy but to say it makes no difference defies logic.
    its weird how a 20 year old brit gets so worked up and kills random people (and himself) because of historical wars in a foreign land...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    its weird how a 20 year old brit gets so worked up and kills random people (and himself) because of historical wars in a foreign land...
    After nearly decapitating Mr Rigby, Adebolajo told witnesses to call the police and said that the killing was because "Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers. And this British soldier is one. It is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

    "Through many passages in the Koran we must fight them as they fight us."

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    After nearly decapitating Mr Rigby, Adebolajo told witnesses to call the police and said that the killing was because "Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers. And this British soldier is one. It is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

    "Through many passages in the Koran we must fight them as they fight us."
    It's our fault really. The west should be apologising to poor Mr adebolajo. We provoked him into the beheading. Without our warmongering he'd be a model citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    It's our fault really. The west should be apologising to poor Mr adebolajo. We provoked him into the beheading. Without our warmongering he'd be a model citizen.
    Your brain doesn't work like normal people's does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    Your brain doesn't work like normal people's does it?
    Surely that's the logical conclusion here? Atrocities committed by Islamic extremists are in reality nothing to do with Islam, its the west who have provoked these law abiding citizens into action.

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