warsash saint Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Why would you play juanmi? He's been awful (save for once when he was subbed for last 15 mins and looked OK) this season when he's made an appearance - let the game pass by him. exactly the kind of player we don't need. 'He's been awful this season' based on how many appearances? That's the Saints Web we all know & love:mcinnes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Good stuff Gentlemans bet then? Spurs win by 3 goals or more you pay £10 to a charity of my choice. Any other result and I'll do it for one of your choice? Deal? Deal. It's a shame you are lowering your expectations to such a level and entering the ground on Saturday already anticipating a drubbing. We've got it in us to beat Spurs despite being on a bad run, i recall the number of fans who were throwing the towel in this time last season after a run of 5-6 defeats and we went and beat Everton 3-0, have a bit of faith and get behind the team, you might even enjoy yourself a bit, give it a try. At least whatever happens now a good cause will receive a tenner, so it's not all bad eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Why would you play juanmi? He's been awful (save for once when he was subbed for last 15 mins and looked OK) this season when he's made an appearance - let the game pass by him. exactly the kind of player we don't need. at least ramirez' appearance was half decent and he gotan assist for mane Gaston's had two seasons here + a loan season at Hull. He ain't ever becoming half decent and some dodgy header at Anfield ain't changing that. Juanmi deserves time and I think has technical ability to fit in- just like to see him given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Good stuff Gentlemans bet then? Spurs win by 3 goals or more you pay £10 to a charity of my choice. Any other result and I'll do it for one of your choice? Deal? When was the last time we lost by three goals or more away? Seems years ago. I may be forgetting something but all the recent biggish defeats have been at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 When was the last time we lost by three goals or more away? Seems years ago. I may be forgetting something but all the recent biggish defeats have been at home. Man City 4-1 when JayRod got crocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 we are good enough to beat Spurs, they are not world beaters they are about our level, stop wetting the bed, get behind your team,and lets take it to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 we are good enough to beat Spurs, they are not world beaters they are about our level, stop wetting the bed, get behind your team,and lets take it to them! We are definitely capable of beating them but after nearly half the season we haven't beaten anyone above 13th in the league. Spurs are overall better than our level. 2-3 points would be a good return from the next 2 games IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 'He's been awful this season' based on how many appearances? That's the Saints Web we all know & love:mcinnes: I said he's been awful whenever he's made an appearance save for one game - read what I actually wrote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 Gaston's had two seasons here + a loan season at Hull. He ain't ever becoming half decent and some dodgy header at Anfield ain't changing that. Juanmi deserves time and I think has technical ability to fit in- just like to see him given a chance. I'd be inclined to agree. just that juanmi is a similar player to gaston and with similar flaws, but obviously similar good traits . trouble is those flaws set gaston back as much as they will juanmi - not having time on the ball in the prem, being physically weak to win 1on1 battles, not able to play his 'little CF' role like he did in malaga in the prem. where do you play him seeing as we're all agree mane is better as a number 10 in principle I think yes definitely give people a chance - all for that and with you 100%. I agree he deserves having time and I really hope the newspaper articles about him returning to spain in next transfer window are wrong, as I don't think thatw ould be a good outcome for anyone. mk dons and villa in the cup he was given a bit of a showing, and we played very well in both games. just not sure spurs (against dier, alderweireld and vertonghen and against lloris) is the kind of match suited for juanmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 BECOME decent? He's always been decent. I really don't see any difference between him and Tadic, except Ramirez likes to shoot more. If he'd had the number of starts Tadic has, I doubt he'd have had more anonymous games. Creative players go through periods like that unless they're the very best around. The problem with Ramirez is he doesn't protect the ball very well when in possession. He regularly lost the ball in dangerous areas which led to teams breaking on us. Tadic is much better in that respect. I think Ramirez should be on the bench and giving us an option to change things, and if he plays high enough up the pitch then I think him losing possession is a price worth paying when he offers genuine creativity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 Ramirez is going anyway and has had enough chances over his four year contract. Nobody doubts he is a talented player but multiple managers have failed to fit him into a PL starting XI on a regular basis. No point going on and on about him Adrian - he is on his way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 If there was one game I wanted us to win before the season started it is this one. Win this and we'll only be 2 points behind them after the dodgy start and shocking recent form just shows how crazy and close the premier League is this season. Please for the love of saints win this one lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 And unless Ramirez has a move back to Bologna or somewhere lined up in January I don't understand why he isn't on the bench. We saw against Liverpool that he can make a difference when we are behind with 15 mins to go. Plus Harry Reed? Played very well when called upon last season, can't even get in the squad this season. His development well and truly stunted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 RE- Reed, IMO Wanyama's head is already somewhere else, if he's not going to sign a new deal might as well get rid in January if anyone is willing to pay a large fee and have Reed replace him in the squad. I don't think we'll see much of a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 RE- Reed, IMO Wanyama's head is already somewhere else, if he's not going to sign a new deal might as well get rid in January if anyone is willing to pay a large fee and have Reed replace him in the squad. I don't think we'll see much of a difference Unless we want to sell him to Spuds so he would need to put in a good performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 December, 2015 Share Posted 15 December, 2015 And unless Ramirez has a move back to Bologna or somewhere lined up in January I don't understand why he isn't on the bench. Might be something to do with the fact that his dead leg injury from a couple of years ago is apparently still causing him trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Might be something to do with the fact that his dead leg injury from a couple of years ago is apparently still causing him trouble. Well I guess that'll teach him for not spotting the yellow car first!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 The question is not whether we lose, but by how many We are not good enough to trouble Tottenham. More misery predicted Koeman needs to stop playing fantasy football and instead use a system that everybody understands We can't keep changing the midfield every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 The question is not whether we lose, but by how many We are not good enough to trouble Tottenham. More misery predicted Koeman needs to stop playing fantasy football and instead use a system that everybody understands We can't keep changing the midfield every week That's a very negative attitude really, Spurs have their weaknesses, up to our manager to devise a plan to exploit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Well I guess that'll teach him for not spotting the yellow car first!!! What sort of yellow car? Like Noddy's you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 The question is not whether we lose, but by how many We are not good enough to trouble Tottenham. More misery predicted Did you think Newcastle were not good enough to trouble them last weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 I used to really enjoy this Board but of late all I seem to see are negative 'we'll get tanked' comments.I've been a Saint now for over 58 years and I've seen it all before.The Saints will beat F..king Spurs on Saturday right! We can do it so stop being so pessimistic. Say after me twenty times "We will beat Spurs on Saturday" irrespective of the fact that our 'un Friend' is Reffing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 With the possible exception of us, who are not capable of beating anyone at the moment... Isnt that the point of that phrase though? You can go several games without a result and then get a win when least expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 #DurmanLogic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Did you think Newcastle were not good enough to trouble them last weekend? Newcastle had the magic carrot of being in the relegation zone to give them fight. We don't have that, or any fight. Almost like the players want a holiday and will pick up the pace once we look like we are in proper trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Newcastle had the magic carrot of being in the relegation zone to give them fight. We don't have that, or any fight. Almost like the players want a holiday and will pick up the pace once we look like we are in proper trouble. we arent too far from the relegation zone, We have to win and soon! we must be in the top five most boring teams to watch this season, you would think the players would want to put on a good show against spuds ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Isnt that the point of that phrase though? You can go several games without a result and then get a win when least expected? Well no, it isn't. It usually implies that you lose one week against somebody awful and then win the next against someone good.. Its about inconsistency, something we are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 (edited) Well no, it isn't. It usually implies that you lose one week against somebody awful and then win the next against someone good.. Its about inconsistency, something we are not. But we are inconsistent. We can play well in one half and poorly in the next all too frequently. Even when we went on that non losing streak we were not playing blinding football for 90 mins each game. Also you say we are not capable of beating anyone at the moment. There is a big difference between being capable of beating anyone and beating anyone. We are capable of beaten anyone. Edited 16 December, 2015 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 But we are inconsistent. Not winning in 5 games is not inconsistent, its consistent. Previously we had gone about 10 unbeaten (lots of draws), that's consistent. The phrase was about anyone can beat anyone on their day, not anyone can play well for 45 minutes and then badly for 45 minutes. Please explain how we are capable of beating anyone at the moment. We have played 5 teams in 5 games ranging from the top team to the bottom team and not beaten any of them, so we are not capable of beating anyone at the moment. We have clearly been totally incapable of beating anyone for a little while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 So we were not capable of beating Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 So we were not capable of beating Villa? Clearly not, otherwise we would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 You don't seem to be able to grasp the word capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Newcastle had the magic carrot of being in the relegation zone to give them fight. We don't have that, or any fight. Almost like the players want a holiday and will pick up the pace once we look like we are in proper trouble. Well if it's the magic carrot of the 'R' word you want as an incentive, we will soon have it, if things don't improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 we arent too far from the relegation zone, We have to win and soon! we must be in the top five most boring teams to watch this season, you would think the players would want to put on a good show against spuds ? As someone said previous, we can 'sleepwalk' to relegation. I alone, was warning of this at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 As someone said previous, we can 'sleepwalk' to relegation. I alone, was warning of this at the start of the season. Which season was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 I dont know what to expect Saturday from us , team wise or performance but one things for sure grief towards Poch wont help one bit save the energy for supporting our team ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 I dont know what to expect Saturday from us , team wise or performance but one things for sure grief towards Poch wont help one bit save the energy for supporting our team ! Hopefully our fans learnt something from the "Adam Lallana, he's winning 6-1" chant from the victims the other week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Hopefully our fans learnt something from the "Adam Lallana, he's winning 6-1" chant from the victims the other week. Didn't learn from last season giving Lovern a dogs abuse then Coutinho smashed in a worldie haha ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 You don't seem to be able to grasp the word capable. I know you don't like insults SOG but he is a plum. Can we agree on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Hopefully our fans learnt something from the "Adam Lallana, he's winning 6-1" chant from the victims the other week. So we're supposed to just roll over and give little weasels like that an easy ride? **** that modern football crap, those that made their beds get their abuse. And lallana and lovern deserve every little piece of it. As for poch I don't really hate the guy, he was a superb manager for us but always here as a stepping stone. That he left was falling but not surprising and most of the anger I believe is aimed at the fact that he's a very good manager. Combine that with the rest of the exodus that summer and he took some stick. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Think we are in for a beating. Young, fit, high-pressing youngsters will be too much for our ponderous defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 We'll destroy them. People need to stop being so negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 All the signs are for another poor home performance. Lose 1-3. Zero points until we play Norwich on the 2nd Jan is a looming prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 (edited) You don't seem to be able to grasp the word capable. I give up... Edited 17 December, 2015 by VectisSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 (edited) Would probably consider Caulker as a front sweeper for this one, covering the width of the pitch in front of the back four like Frazer Richardson used to. ------------------Stek-------------- Cedric---Fonte--VVD--Bertrand >>>>>>>>> ------------Davis----Ramirez--------- Juanmi--------Seager--------Mane Edited 17 December, 2015 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 All the signs are for another poor home performance. Lose 1-3. Zero points until we play Norwich on the 2nd Jan is a looming prospect. Tis the season to be jolly falalalalalalalala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Would probably consider Caulker as a front sweeper for this one, covering the width of the pitch in front of the back four like Frazer Richardson used to do badly. ------------------Stek-------------- Cedric---Fonte--VVD--Bertrand ------------Davis----Ramirez--------- Juanmi--------Seager--------Mane Corrected this for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 #DurmanLogic Were you at Crystal Palace St Charlie or are you a plastic fan, making your visionary comments from the Sofa. I support my team thick and thin! I watch every minute (not always live) I don't want to be positive at the moment The hope is what makes it more painful every disappointing result I will agree with you though this is Durman Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint97 Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Koeman confirms Gazzaniga keeps his place in the starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Gazza starts against Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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