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Both good players at what they do, I'd say both have incredible stamina good at pressing and tackling. Wanyama is stronger, Cork better on the ball and has more agility.

 

Wanyama plays stormers against the big teams, but rarely if ever scores. (Hull goal seems like a bit of a fluke now). Cork didn't score for 100 odd games but 6 months before he left scored a few in a short space of time and got a a goal or 2 for Swansea.

 

So now 12 months on after Wanyama's 3rd debatable or not red card of the season! With Cork never being sent off as I recall (for us at least).

 

Who would you rather have in the squad now, considering all this and the fact Cork would probably ask for a fraction of the wages Wanyama would be asking for in his next contract

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Well obviously not.

 

But if he gets suspended for 5 more games that's him banned and therefore missing for about a 1/4 of the season, without injuries. Also he played well against them, as I pointed out he plays well against the big teams, then average or poor other games. Whereas Cork consistent no matter who the opposition

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I think With Romeu in the squad, Clasie or Prowsey along side him with Reed as backup. We'll do fine these next 5 games, and it'll show Wanyama isn't worth as much as he thinks he is. He probably wants 100k a week in his next contract. Maybe he'll go to China.

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Jack Cork is an occasional Swansea player who chose to desert the Saints rather than sign an incredible generous contract.

 

Victor Wanyama won us 3 points yesterday by first neutralising Payet and then by galvanising the rest of the team by his cunning unjust dismissal just when West Ham were threatening to get back in the game

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Wanyama is a very effective footballer for us, if he were to improve his range of passing he would be worth a fortune !

The fact that he wants away clearly does not endear him to the faithful (understandably) but that does not diminish his ability !

His disciplinary record is poor but he is more reckless than malicious and IMO his size and stature make him stand out more than most and opposition players often exploit this !

For those suggesting we should get rid of him cheaply, I would say "be careful what you wish for" as he will certainly not be so easy to replace !!

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Let yourself down with one :lol:

Maybe unless it's extra points for good English bloke who runs around a lot, then no I was right :)

 

(Not slagging Cork off, decent for us, seems nice bloke etc, just doesn't have the ability of any of others listed)

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I'd say Victor is the better player but if he wants 100k a week or a "bigger club" move..Which has been clear for over 12 months now. It would of been worth keeping Cork at a much smaller contract and have him as one of the long standing players who gets along with many in the squad already. Romeu in as Wanyama replacement.

 

He's a good player but sometimes he's a liability, and only exceptional v the bigger teams.

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Sorry but cork is a good championship player at best

 

Didn't look that way last two seasons he was playing for us, seeing as he was playing and we were top 6-8 most of both seasons. In fact CL was looking possible at one point in January. Played okay in his first full season in the Premier League as well

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JWP is the biggest scapegoat on here now you mention him. Definitely NOT overrated.

 

What you mean the free kick specialist who has scored one free kick and the player who after ever sub standard game gets his age pointed out as an excuse he very much is overrated useful squad player at most unless he ups his game big time.

 

Jack Cork was decent enough, Victor only turns up against the top six, JWP is bang average, Romeu shows promise, Claise will be the best midfielder we have if he can get fit it enough to play regularly, Steven Davis is good at what he does but really needs more goals, Reed has slipped off the radar which says a lot..........our only truly Class midfielder in the PL has been Morgan

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The problem with getting rid of Cork is not that we need him now but that we needed him for the second half of last season and that need was completely predictable. Even if Schneiderlin hadn't gotten injured, it was pretty obvious that both Schneiderlin and Wanyama were going to miss two games each for yellow card accumulation. Barring bad luck that is four games Cork would have improved the side significantly. Once Schneiderlin got injured, the absence of Cork was even more telling. Quite possibly we would have made the champions league if we had kept Cork. We certainly would have qualified directly into the group stage of the Europa League if we had kept him.

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Maybe I was a bit harsh. Championship/bottom premier league player. If Swansea get relegated it will be interesting to see what premier league team challenging for Europe will try and buy him.

 

Not sure it ever works when players come back, but More than happy to have a player in our squad that is willing to do anything, even tackle with his head if it means getting the ball back. I never saw him have a bad game for us, perhaps one game are returning from a long time out of the side apart. His undoing was that he was Just not neat and tidy enough in five a sides...

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What you mean the free kick specialist who has scored one free kick and the player who after ever sub standard game gets his age pointed out as an excuse he very much is overrated useful squad player at most unless he ups his game big time.

 

Jack Cork was decent enough, Victor only turns up against the top six, JWP is bang average, Romeu shows promise, Claise will be the best midfielder we have if he can get fit it enough to play regularly, Steven Davis is good at what he does but really needs more goals, Reed has slipped off the radar which says a lot..........our only truly Class midfielder in the PL has been Morgan

 

 

I think you will be eating your words in 5 - 6 years time in regards to JWP, David Beckham only scored 15 direct free kicks in his long stay in the EPL and only 4 more since then in his time in La liga and 1 since moving to the states......... and he was regarded as the best in the world at it........... how many do you expect JWP to score? he is only 21 after all, lets messure him when he is a mature player in his late 20's when he is due to peak yeah? but of course i will take your word on it in regards to him NOT beng a specialist at set plays when every pundit says he is including 2 of his last managers his England under 21 manager and all of the Sky sports pundits / Ex players ..... im defo believing you over them.. i got your back dont worry.. ohh sorry i lied...

 

I would bring assists into it, but are strike force is the worst in the league at converting chances and beckham had some of the best strikers in the league to cross the ball into / Cole/ York / van Nistelrooy / Cantana list is quite huge, but ofc we all know Pelle is 100 times the player any of those i just mentioned was.......... give JWP a break.

 

back onto topic, Wanyama is twice the player Cork is, could even push it to 3 times.

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What you mean the free kick specialist who has scored one free kick and the player who after ever sub standard game gets his age pointed out as an excuse he very much is overrated useful squad player at most unless he ups his game big time.

 

Jack Cork was decent enough, Victor only turns up against the top six, JWP is bang average, Romeu shows promise, Claise will be the best midfielder we have if he can get fit it enough to play regularly, Steven Davis is good at what he does but really needs more goals, Reed has slipped off the radar which says a lot..........our only truly Class midfielder in the PL has been Morgan

 

He WAS rated and I agree mostly. I think he's a decent little player but he gets sooo much **** on here even when he plays well you get the odd gimp saying how he's been **** and offers nothing.

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He WAS rated and I agree mostly. I think he's a decent little player but he gets sooo much **** on here even when he plays well you get the odd gimp saying how he's been **** and offers nothing.

 

Cork is a solid player. If still at Saints he would probably play 15-20 matches a season?

 

While Big Vic has his weaknesses, at times he is the abilty to influence matches which is something that Cork could never do.

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Cork is a solid player. If still at Saints he would probably play 15-20 matches a season?

 

While Big Vic has his weaknesses, at times he is the ability to influence matches which is something that Cork could never do.

 

Cork did influence matches, but in a subtle way. His hounding of opposition helped put them under pressure and turn ball over time after time. We were a possession team, so getting the ball back allowed us to do what we wanted, keep and pass the ball. Also his forward runs stretched teams, made opponents run towards their own goal (tiring them out at the same time) creating space for players like Sir Rickie and Lallana to work in. You have to have workers in your side and no one worked harder. Now if you can find similar work rate and doggedness but with a better touch, then its a no brainer. Romeu is the closest player to that and if he continues to shine then no need for Cork.

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I was on about jwp. Sorry.

 

Shane

 

Wasn't bagging you or anything at all...... Was just replying to the last post.

I actually think jsp has improved a little this year btw...next season I hope he will be a revelation.

 

Chez, yeah ok I do agree..... Cork was a good player and I was at the time a bit gutted he chose to leave,..... I still think big vic for the games that he goes missing he can sometimes really stamp his authority on a match and dominate....

 

Anyway Romeu, being here in Perth I don't get to see all the matches so haven't seen him as much as I want , same with classier, but I really like how he gets forward.... I don't mind his aggression but he needs to remember it's not 1992 anymore.... I shudder at some of the tackles I used to get away with.........

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Cork did influence matches, but in a subtle way. His hounding of opposition helped put them under pressure and turn ball over time after time. We were a possession team, so getting the ball back allowed us to do what we wanted, keep and pass the ball. Also his forward runs stretched teams, made opponents run towards their own goal (tiring them out at the same time) creating space for players like Sir Rickie and Lallana to work in. You have to have workers in your side and no one worked harder. Now if you can find similar work rate and doggedness but with a better touch, then its a no brainer. Romeu is the closest player to that and if he continues to shine then no need for Cork.

Oh turn it in. I liked Cork, but games like the 4-2 loss away at Newcastle highlighted his subtle weaknesses, indirectly at fault for a couple of their goals through hospital passes, the like of which were often subtly visible.

 

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