Toadhall Saint Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 I am starting to warm to FDB having read a few articles regarding his tactics (outside of the boot, squawka & 442) He plays the traditional Dutch way of 4-3-3 and wants his players to be more intelligent and technically able. The Squawka article implied that his version of 4-3-3 was more like the Spain false 9 system, so more midfielders than genuine attackers - In having possession and switching play waiting to create space behind the defence. He also gave them license to be fluid, so making the decision when to be direct and go direct to goal. Although he was not afraid of changing to a more direct 4-3-3 with pacy, direct wide front 2 when the opposition was stronger, i.e fast counter. So yes the negatives are that his team came across as boring, but I wander how much that was to do with the players he had available (dominantly youth with Erikson, Suarez leaving amongst others), where creating space and intelligence is not an easy trait, passing it around and keeping possession is easy enough - having the players that suddenly make space and someone to pass it is the key. But Long and Mane would have a field day with that licence to create space and could Tadic, Davis or dare I say it JWP be that intelligent false 9? Pelle has the ball to feet skills to drop deeper, not seen enough of Austin but he seems more of a traditional no. 9. Also in his 4-3-3 you would only need 1 holding mid, so losing Wanyama might not be disastrous. I also believe certain clubs are the right for a manager and I think we suited Ron at the right time for everyone involved so would not be surprised if it does not work at Everton. FDB wants to manage in the EPL and likes good passing technical players & puts faith in youth - again it feels like both parties suit each other. His key coach is also Bergkamp - what a player our forwards could learn from to be more clinical!!! Just my thoughts but am getting more comfortable in taking a risk on an unproven manager like FDB (unproven in that managed 1 club in 1 league) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Interesting thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 From the looks of that he sounds perfect of us. No Premier League experience and appears to be used to working with young players more than seasoned professionals but in our circumstance he looks like a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 How does that work? They are opposites of each other. Go and have a think about that then get back to me when you've worked it out. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 @GFFN: Rudi Garcia is set to replace Unai Emery at Sevilla, according to AS https://t.co/eFdIcY0hIJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 @GFFN: Rudi Garcia is set to replace Unai Emery at Sevilla, according to AS https://t.co/eFdIcY0hIJ It's like a merry-go-round of coaches isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 It's like a merry-go-round of coaches isn't it. Sure is. Hopefully Moyes gets taken by someone else soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/678119/Exclusive-Southampton-Frank-de-Boer-3m-a-year-deal-Ronald-Koeman-Football-News-Gossip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 There does seem to be some mileage in the FdB stuff to be honest. Should be something that can be done pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-plan-new-sadio-mane-8143189 De Boer linked again in The Mirror. Other non manager related stuff: - Club want to extend Long and Mane contracts - Mane more open to staying now Koeman is gone since they fell out. - Pelle and Wanyama will leave. - Club doesn't feel losing Koeman is as bad as losing Pochettino, since star players were more loyal to Poch and wanted out as soon as he was gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 No idea if he is a good Coach but having Dennis Bergkamp at the club would be pretty special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 Whoever comes in I hope it's just a continuation of the previous few years, no need for major changes as we have shown how we have been performing clearly works. Kinda excited about the possible options Bergkamp as assistant might bring. Get on the phone to AW and get the OX on board first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 @GFFN: Unai Emery will sign his PSG contract tomorrow, according to La Sexta https://t.co/2IZgDFTEgJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-plan-new-sadio-mane-8143189 De Boer linked again in The Mirror. Other non manager related stuff: - Club want to extend Long and Mane contracts - Mane more open to staying now Koeman is gone since they fell out. - Pelle and Wanyama will leave. - Club doesn't feel losing Koeman is as bad as losing Pochettino, since star players were more loyal to Poch and wanted out as soon as he was gone Would be great to hear from the ITKs to confirm this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 @GFFN: Unai Emery will sign his PSG contract tomorrow, according to La Sexta https://t.co/2IZgDFTEgJ Any chance that they will sack Blanc first???? Feel kinda sorry for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-plan-new-sadio-mane-8143189 De Boer linked again in The Mirror. Other non manager related stuff: - Club want to extend Long and Mane contracts - Mane more open to staying now Koeman is gone since they fell out. - Pelle and Wanyama will leave. - Club doesn't feel losing Koeman is as bad as losing Pochettino, since star players were more loyal to Poch and wanted out as soon as he was gone ...and yet we haven't sold any players to Spurs since Pochettino left... so they have new managers at other clubs... so I find that as a theory hard to grasp. They left for the money, not Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc oli Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 And at least Bergkamp would have easy access to the ferry for our European trips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 ...and yet we haven't sold any players to Spurs since Pochettino left... so they have new managers at other clubs... so I find that as a theory hard to grasp. They left for the money, not Pochettino. Poch leaving just gave them a half-arsed excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 You like fat gingers then do you? Suppose someones got to. Which one of our shortlist is ginger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 And at least Bergkamp would have easy access to the ferry for our European trips. Unless we get some far flung outfit in Kazakhstan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/678119/Exclusive-Southampton-Frank-de-Boer-3m-a-year-deal-Ronald-Koeman-Football-News-Gossip So we're going to offer FDB more money than we offered Koeman ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 Any chance that they will sack Blanc first???? Feel kinda sorry for him... yeah he hasn't actual been sacked yet has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 Looking forward to hearing FdB's English interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 8 June, 2016 Share Posted 8 June, 2016 Why all this emphasis on Moyes for gods sake, we aren't seriously considering him are we?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 He's the perfect Ronald replacement! They've even both snapped their achilles in training. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLQGerNQQ7A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 His name translates as 'Frank The Farmer'. Perfect for a little 'Ampshire club like ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 So we're going to offer FDB more money than we offered Koeman ... Not sure we know for sure do we? If RK was already on £2.5m then £3m would be what I'd expect was the ballpark for his extension and any replacement. The most interesting thing about that article is the what Lazio can offer - shows the power of the new TV deal for middling English clubs vs Italian and Spanish equivalents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Not sure we know for sure do we? If RK was already on £2.5m then £3m would be what I'd expect was the ballpark for his extension and any replacement. The most interesting thing about that article is the what Lazio can offer - shows the power of the new TV deal for middling English clubs vs Italian and Spanish equivalents. Ahhh ok I thought the £2.5m for Koeman was his new improved contract offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Which one of our shortlist is ginger? None, but Koeman was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Why all this emphasis on Moyes for gods sake, we aren't seriously considering him are we?. Certainly the point I was making was he is the worst of all our reported options, but really isn't that bad. See that as a big positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 His name translates as 'Frank The Farmer'. Perfect for a little 'Ampshire club like ourselves. Continuity from Romald Cow Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14546231.Cherries_boss_Howe__rules_himself_out__of_Saints_job/?ref=rss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 http://m.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14544890.AFC_Bournemouth__Eddie_Howe_will_remain_Cherries_manager/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 A manager will usually issue an "I'm not interested" statement as a face-saver when he knows he's going to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Certainly the point I was making was he is the worst of all our reported options, but really isn't that bad. See that as a big positive. Its a massive positive as shows the strength of the candidate pool...as long as we don't actually end up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 A manager will usually issue an "I'm not interested" statement as a face-saver when he knows he's going to be considered. Bournemouth Echo usually very close to everything at Bournemouth. Will.probably be another one where they claim he turned us down but we didn't actually offer anything. Although so far quite a few have denied interest which hopefully isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Bournemouth Echo usually very close to everything at Bournemouth. Will.probably be another one where they claim he turned us down but we didn't actually offer anything. Although so far quite a few have denied interest which hopefully isn't the case. Tbh I think I'll get over the disappointment of Eddie not wanting to come here pretty fast......there you go I'm over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Tbh I think I'll get over the disappointment of Eddie not wanting to come here pretty fast......there you go I'm over it. Yeah he wouldn't be everyone's choice but if the Club rate him as highly as has been stated it would be a shame for them to not even be able to speak to him. I want them to get their first choice rather than mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14546231.Cherries_boss_Howe__rules_himself_out__of_Saints_job/?ref=rss Oh dear, how sad, never mind, too soon for him, maybe in ten years time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Sean Dyche might be worth putting a tenner on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Sean Dyche might be worth putting a tenner on. Good Manager...but not for us IMO. Would undeniably be a huge step down from Pochettino and Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 None, but Koeman was...naah - blond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Would Laurent Blanc too ambitious for us? Has a great record in Ligue 1, even with Bordeaux and think he done well in Europe with them also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 None, but Koeman was... AvB and Moyes are both ginger, neither are fat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 Would Laurent Blanc too ambitious for us? Has a great record in Ligue 1, even with Bordeaux and think he done well in Europe with them also? Dont see why he should be. Top 6, European football next season, we tick a lot of boxes. If he wants to manage in England then ok we might just be a stepping stone again but that can be said for anyone as we have found out over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 (edited) De Boer's Agent: Saints not interested yet: http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14544812.Saints_not_interested_in_De_Boer__reveals_agent/?ref=twt Edited 9 June, 2016 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 (edited) De Boer's Agent: Saints not interested (yet): http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14544812.Saints_not_interested_in_De_Boer__reveals_agent/?ref=twt Mods: can we merge the two Manager threads? Edited 9 June, 2016 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 http://m.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14544890.AFC_Bournemouth__Eddie_Howe_will_remain_Cherries_manager/ Not that I want him as manager, but I don't know why they bother saying these things anyway, it's evident that it is all without basis. Koeman has set a new precedent low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 De Boer's Agent: Saints not interested: http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14544812.Saints_not_interested_in_De_Boer__reveals_agent/?ref=twt Mods: can we merge the two Manager threads? Well that's irritating. Get him signed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 9 June, 2016 Share Posted 9 June, 2016 not interested is not the same as not interested yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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