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    The way to have left would have been to competely disconnect and negotiate back into things both parties wanted us involved in.

    By trying to faff around with the wires still connected is how There's May has let Olly Robbins get us into this mess.

    And still it is those who still want to remain under any circumstances use the strongest language they can.

    Its obviously because their arguments, on normal terms using standard language, would be competely ineffectual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolan View Post
    The way to have left would have been to competely disconnect and negotiate back into things both parties wanted us involved in.

    By trying to faff around with the wires still connected is how There's May has let Olly Robbins get us into this mess.

    And still it is those who still want to remain under any circumstances use the strongest language they can.

    Its obviously because their arguments, on normal terms using standard language, would be competely ineffectual.
    No only a complete halfwit would choose to weaken their negotiating hand and then think they would be able to negotiate better terms

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    No only a complete halfwit would choose to weaken their negotiating hand and then think they would be able to negotiate better terms
    The better bit comes from being out side the EU not beholden to their ludicrous rules.

    Other than that we negotiate for mutually beneficial deals on a case by case nature.

    If its not mutually beneficial, you don't bother with the deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbal View Post
    Just as shooting someone dead is allowing them to live on different terms.

    Jihadists trying to control the use of the English language to prevent the plain truth of their economic suicide mission is hilariously futile.
    You get the prize for the crap analogy again. You surpass yourself once more. I'm in awe of your ability to come out with ever more bizarre ripostes, I take my cap off to you, you're truly the master of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    No-deal Brexit ferry contract sparks concerns http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984

    Anyone else losing faith that the people in charge? Don’t seem to have the faintest idea what they are doing.
    We're taking back control by paying millions of pounds to French and Dutch ferry companies and the one British company involved doesn't have any ships and have never operated a ferry service.

    Looks like another wizard wheeze by Failing Grayling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolan View Post
    The better bit comes from being out side the EU not beholden to their ludicrous rules.

    Other than that we negotiate for mutually beneficial deals on a case by case nature.

    If its not mutually beneficial, you don't bother with the deals.
    You mean we blithely ignore 40 years of economic and regulatory interdependence and get to have our cake and eat it.

    Good lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    No only a complete halfwit would choose to weaken their negotiating hand and then think they would be able to negotiate better terms
    I agree with you completely. May is a halfwit. She has indeed weakened her negotiating hand at every turn and deludes herself that she will be able still to negotiate reasonable terms. She started out well enough by talking the talk, that no deal is better than a bad deal. The implied threat that one would be prepared to walk away from a deal if it was not satisfactory is basic negotiating stuff. But she had already made the catastrophic error of allowing the EU to set the agenda. We should have insisted that a trade deal should be discussed first, not after the Irish border, the payment into the EU slush fund and the settlement of the immigration question of EU and UK citizens.

    Whether she ended up in the situation of trying to push through quite the worst possible deal in preference to no deal by incompetence, by accident, or by design, is debatable. She further backed herself into a corner by stating that no other deal was on the table, when what she was proposing was not even a deal anyway, but merely a pretext to a potential deal a couple of years down the road, for which a payment of £39 billion would be required to begin the process with no guarantee that anything would come of it.

    From a negotiating perspective, Nolan is entirely correct, that we would have had a far stronger hand from demonstrating our willingness to leave under WTO terms right from the start. It is ironic though that the default position of leaving under WTO terms will take place on 29th March 2019 unless we reach agreement with the EU on a transition period towards a trade deal with them before then. May's "deal" won't get through Parliament, so unless we ask for an extension to Article 50, or drop Brexit altogether, both of which would trigger widespread civil unrest, we are out on that date.

    Under the current circumstances with all of the hassle over the transition period and the probability that even then we will not emerge with a good deal, the WTO option is the most attractive outcome for our future prosperity, unless a Canada +++ deal can be agreed at the last minute, which is extremely unlikely. It is comforting to believe that there is a good chance that if the remoaners in the UK are sh*tting themselves as the clock runs down, that the EU is also doing the same. I suspect that most Brexiteers are quite sanguine about it all, and see leaving under WTO terms to be the preferred and proper Brexit option anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    You mean we blithely ignore 40 years of economic and regulatory interdependence and get to have our cake and eat it.

    Good lad.
    You mean the sort of regulatory interdependence that 100% of British businesses had to endure when only 8% of them traded with the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    I agree with you completely. May is a halfwit. She has indeed weakened her negotiating hand at every turn and deludes herself that she will be able still to negotiate reasonable terms. She started out well enough by talking the talk, that no deal is better than a bad deal. The implied threat that one would be prepared to walk away from a deal if it was not satisfactory is basic negotiating stuff. But she had already made the catastrophic error of allowing the EU to set the agenda. We should have insisted that a trade deal should be discussed first, not after the Irish border, the payment into the EU slush fund and the settlement of the immigration question of EU and UK citizens.

    Whether she ended up in the situation of trying to push through quite the worst possible deal in preference to no deal by incompetence, by accident, or by design, is debatable. She further backed herself into a corner by stating that no other deal was on the table, when what she was proposing was not even a deal anyway, but merely a pretext to a potential deal a couple of years down the road, for which a payment of £39 billion would be required to begin the process with no guarantee that anything would come of it.

    From a negotiating perspective, Nolan is entirely correct, that we would have had a far stronger hand from demonstrating our willingness to leave under WTO terms right from the start. It is ironic though that the default position of leaving under WTO terms will take place on 29th March 2019 unless we reach agreement with the EU on a transition period towards a trade deal with them before then. May's "deal" won't get through Parliament, so unless we ask for an extension to Article 50, or drop Brexit altogether, both of which would trigger widespread civil unrest, we are out on that date.

    Under the current circumstances with all of the hassle over the transition period and the probability that even then we will not emerge with a good deal, the WTO option is the most attractive outcome for our future prosperity, unless a Canada +++ deal can be agreed at the last minute, which is extremely unlikely. It is comforting to believe that there is a good chance that if the remoaners in the UK are sh*tting themselves as the clock runs down, that the EU is also doing the same. I suspect that most Brexiteers are quite sanguine about it all, and see leaving under WTO terms to be the preferred and proper Brexit option anyway.
    Jesus wept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolan View Post
    The way to have left would have been to competely disconnect and negotiate back into things both parties wanted us involved in.
    So, we jump off the cliff, then having hit, ( crashed into ? ), the shingle at the bottom we start to work out how far back up we want to climb ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    You mean the sort of regulatory interdependence that 100% of British businesses had to endure when only 8% of them traded with the EU?
    44% of exports and 53% of imports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    44% of exports and 53% of imports.
    Yes, but as I said, only 8% of businesses trade with the EU, but 100% of them have to obey all their rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Yes, but as I said, only 8% of businesses trade with the EU, but 100% of them have to obey all their rules.
    No, they only have to comply with the rules that affect them. And amongst your 92% of businesses, how many are people selling trinkets on EBay, or running stalls at car boot sales ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    No, they only have to comply with the rules that affect them. And amongst your 92% of businesses, how many are people selling trinkets on EBay, or running stalls at car boot sales ?
    Of course they only have to comply with the rules that affect them. You don't have to obey parking rules if you don't have a caror any other form of transport, or to have a TV license if you don't have a TV. Regarding your examples, I have no idea. Do you? Are they a great business presence in the scheme of things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolan View Post
    "crash"

    You've even gone for the dodgy terminology. Constructed because "leaving" didn't sound bad enough.

    We simply leave and start trading on different terms.
    If the phrase is goof enough to be used by members of Her Majesty's government it is good enough to be used by "even" me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Jesus wept.
    Do you think that May's "deal" will go through? Will there be any other "deal" proposed? Will there be an extension of Article 50, or will it be rescinded? Or will we leave on WTO terms on 29th March?

    What exactly do you think will happen? I don't believe that you have ever told us, but as we are getting close to the deadline, perhaps it is time to hear from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Regarding your examples, I have no idea. Do you? Are they a great business presence in the scheme of things?
    They probably aren't a 'great presence in the scheme of things', but they help to swell the numbers of your 92% of businesses. When, ( if ), we leave the EU, they won't be trading within any of our new trade agreements either, but will probably be bound by any UK legislative changes brought in to satisfy these agreements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    I agree with you completely. May is a halfwit. She has indeed weakened her negotiating hand at every turn and deludes herself that she will be able still to negotiate reasonable terms. She started out well enough by talking the talk, that no deal is better than a bad deal. The implied threat that one would be prepared to walk away from a deal if it was not satisfactory is basic negotiating stuff. But she had already made the catastrophic error of allowing the EU to set the agenda. We should have insisted that a trade deal should be discussed first, not after the Irish border, the payment into the EU slush fund and the settlement of the immigration question of EU and UK citizens.

    Whether she ended up in the situation of trying to push through quite the worst possible deal in preference to no deal by incompetence, by accident, or by design, is debatable. She further backed herself into a corner by stating that no other deal was on the table, when what she was proposing was not even a deal anyway, but merely a pretext to a potential deal a couple of years down the road, for which a payment of £39 billion would be required to begin the process with no guarantee that anything would come of it.

    From a negotiating perspective, Nolan is entirely correct, that we would have had a far stronger hand from demonstrating our willingness to leave under WTO terms right from the start. It is ironic though that the default position of leaving under WTO terms will take place on 29th March 2019 unless we reach agreement with the EU on a transition period towards a trade deal with them before then. May's "deal" won't get through Parliament, so unless we ask for an extension to Article 50, or drop Brexit altogether, both of which would trigger widespread civil unrest, we are out on that date.

    Under the current circumstances with all of the hassle over the transition period and the probability that even then we will not emerge with a good deal, the WTO option is the most attractive outcome for our future prosperity, unless a Canada +++ deal can be agreed at the last minute, which is extremely unlikely. It is comforting to believe that there is a good chance that if the remoaners in the UK are sh*tting themselves as the clock runs down, that the EU is also doing the same. I suspect that most Brexiteers are quite sanguine about it all, and see leaving under WTO terms to be the preferred and proper Brexit option anyway.
    Canada deal would mean a hard border in Ireland are you happy with that?

    By the way May's red lines no hard border in Ireland no free movement means the only deal possible is May's deal and is that acceptable to you especially as it is bad for trade and investment and there has to be a backstop in the island of Ireland.

    No deal is not acceptable to Parliament as it will cause so much economic meltdown unemployment and ultimately social unrest

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    The hard border that Leo Varadker has said that Ireland will never ever put up.

    How on earth could we possibly avoid something that someone has said they will never erect?

    It's quite a conundrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Canada deal would mean a hard border in Ireland are you happy with that?

    By the way May's red lines no hard border in Ireland no free movement means the only deal possible is May's deal and is that acceptable to you especially as it is bad for trade and investment and there has to be a backstop in the island of Ireland.

    No deal is not acceptable to Parliament as it will cause so much economic meltdown unemployment and ultimately social unrest
    Why would the Canada plus deal mean a hard border? There will be a free trade agreement between the UK and the EU. We have stated that we don't want a hard border there, the Irish don't want one, nor do the EU. Who is therefore going to put one in place? Of course there is already a border in place there now. There is no reason why Max Facs modern technology could not be employed to overcome any problems that have mostly been manufactured purely to prevent Brexit.

    Your second paragraph is a load of cobblers. What exactly is May's deal? Chequers isn't acceptable to the EU, but they have offered us Canada plus. Why would they do that if it wasn't feasible with the Irish border question?

    I realise that no deal is unacceptable to Parliament, which comprises a majority of remoaner MPs intent on ignoring the wishes of the electorate. If they do that, then that will be the cause of massive civil unrest. You don't seem to realise that. A WTO Brexit will not cause anywhere near the economic meltdown and unemployment that you think it will. This sort of scaremongering was predicted just if we voted to leave and look how they got that massively wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolan View Post
    The hard border that Leo Varadker has said that Ireland will never ever put up.
    Didn't he say that the Irish Government were not planning for a hard border, as in that case it would become a self-fulfilling prophesy ? Has he not also said that in the case of a 'no deal' Brexit, a hard border was inevitable ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rexit-varadkar
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...exit-h5v6w2w5p

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    He said the same thing in multiple ways over the last 18 months.

    There will be no hard border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Chequers isn't acceptable to the EU, but they have offered us Canada plus. .....
    Their offer included the proviso that NI stays in the Customs Union and Single Market, which the DUP totally reject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Why would the Canada plus deal mean a hard border? There will be a free trade agreement between the UK and the EU. We have stated that we don't want a hard border there, the Irish don't want one, nor do the EU. Who is therefore going to put one in place? Of course there is already a border in place there now. There is no reason why Max Facs modern technology could not be employed to overcome any problems that have mostly been manufactured purely to prevent Brexit.

    Your second paragraph is a load of cobblers. What exactly is May's deal? Chequers isn't acceptable to the EU, but they have offered us Canada plus. Why would they do that if it wasn't feasible with the Irish border question?

    I realise that no deal is unacceptable to Parliament, which comprises a majority of remoaner MPs intent on ignoring the wishes of the electorate. If they do that, then that will be the cause of massive civil unrest. You don't seem to realise that. A WTO Brexit will not cause anywhere near the economic meltdown and unemployment that you think it will. This sort of scaremongering was predicted just if we voted to leave and look how they got that massively wrong.
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    Les with a late contender for funniest post of 2018.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Les with a late contender for funniest post of 2018.

    You certainly won’t ever win that award.

    Why do they use the term “crash”? It’s implying they know the outcome of leaving, which they don’t.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Do you think that May's "deal" will go through? Will there be any other "deal" proposed? Will there be an extension of Article 50, or will it be rescinded? Or will we leave on WTO terms on 29th March?

    What exactly do you think will happen? I don't believe that you have ever told us, but as we are getting close to the deadline, perhaps it is time to hear from you.
    Shurlock declines to answer the invitation to express his opinion on what the Brexit outcome will be. It is far easier to just post Jesus wept when somebody else does, isn't it?

    Come on, give us your pearls of wisdom answers to the questions I asked.

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    2019 Political odds(Ladbrokes):

    1/2 Theresa May replaced as PM
    5/4 New EU Referendum
    6/4 General Election
    2/1 Corbyn replaced as Labour leader
    3/1 UK leaves EU with NO DEAL before 1st April
    3/1 Trump replaced as POTUS
    4/1 Corbyn becomes PM
    33/1 Two or more general elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    2019 Political odds(Ladbrokes):

    1/2 Theresa May replaced as PM
    5/4 New EU Referendum
    6/4 General Election
    2/1 Corbyn replaced as Labour leader
    3/1 UK leaves EU with NO DEAL before 1st April
    3/1 Trump replaced as POTUS
    4/1 Corbyn becomes PM
    33/1 Two or more general elections
    None of that will happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolan View Post
    He said the same thing in multiple ways over the last 18 months.

    There will be no hard border.
    It was/is obvious there would be no hard border. It was a clear bit of leverage the EU tried to used (amongst others)

    Only have to go back a handful of pages on here for people harping on about the inevitable hard border being put up and a some saying a return to the troubles

    ‘Jesus wept’

    As for 2019...
    We will leave the EU
    May will remain PM
    Corbyn will remain labour leader
    Trump will remain president
    The world will keep on turning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Shurlock declines to answer the invitation to express his opinion on what the Brexit outcome will be. It is far easier to just post Jesus wept when somebody else does, isn't it?

    Come on, give us your pearls of wisdom answers to the questions I asked.
    Will you tell us the answer to a question I've asked that you've ignored. How many jobs lost would make you change your mind about Brexit? 10,000...100,000...1,000,000? More?

    A true Jihadist can't respond, or put a number on it, because their deontological fundamentalism leads them to think that any number of people's livelihoods can be sacrificed for the goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    It was/is obvious there would be no hard border. It was a clear bit of leverage the EU tried to used (amongst others)

    Only have to go back a handful of pages on here for people harping on about the inevitable hard border being put up and a some saying a return to the troubles

    ‘Jesus wept’

    As for 2019...
    We will leave the EU
    May will remain PM
    Corbyn will remain labour leader
    Trump will remain president
    The world will keep on turning
    How could trump possibly remain president in the face of the global earthquake caused by brexit? It's inconceivable.

    There will be no survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty View Post
    How could trump possibly remain president in the face of the global earthquake caused by brexit? It's inconceivable.

    There will be no survivors.
    Brexit won't cause a global earthquake. The rest of the world will do just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    So they’re complaining about the price going up “over the last few years”. Few is clearly more than 2, otherwise you’d have said “last couple of years”. So how on Earth is Brexit to blame for the “last few years”.I go away 4 times a year, and have done so for the past 6 or 7 years and have noticed no particular increase other than inflation. Some places are more expensive because of certain factors but others, Greece in particular, are cheaper in relative terms than they were. Have these people heard of the internet and shopping around.

    My moneys still on #didnthappen.


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    Not only that, they were also talking about holidays in Krakow. Poland of course has it's own currency, not the Euro, which is currently at the same exchange rate as it was in 2008!

    #didnthappen indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbal View Post
    Will you tell us the answer to a question I've asked that you've ignored. How many jobs lost would make you change your mind about Brexit? 10,000...100,000...1,000,000? More?

    A true Jihadist can't respond, or put a number on it, because their deontological fundamentalism leads them to think that any number of people's livelihoods can be sacrificed for the goal.
    I ignored it because it wasn't worth answering something so hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    2019 Political odds(Ladbrokes):

    1/2 Theresa May replaced as PM
    5/4 New EU Referendum
    6/4 General Election
    2/1 Corbyn replaced as Labour leader
    3/1 UK leaves EU with NO DEAL before 1st April
    3/1 Trump replaced as POTUS
    4/1 Corbyn becomes PM
    33/1 Two or more general elections
    5/4 on a second Refurendum might be worth a go.

    Can’t see the deal going through and we appear woefully underprepared for a hard Brexit in March and if we want to defer the leaving date the EU will insist on it. Didn’t Ireland twice get made to re-vote? It makes a bit of a mockery of democracy but the EU does have form in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Shurlock declines to answer the invitation to express his opinion on what the Brexit outcome will be. It is far easier to just post Jesus wept when somebody else does, isn't it?

    Come on, give us your pearls of wisdom answers to the questions I asked.
    Once you’ve responded to my earlier questions. Re. the alleged consumer benefits from eliminating tariffs and the brexitcentral article you were all too happy to post but then disappeared when I pointed out holes in its claims.

    That seems fair enough, right pal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Once you’ve responded to my earlier questions. Re. the alleged consumer benefits from eliminating tariffs and the brexitcentral article you were all too happy to post but then disappeared when I pointed out holes in its claims.

    That seems fair enough, right pal?
    OK, fair enough, I'll conclude that you're happy to dismiss others' opinions on what might happen in the next few weeks, but afraid to stick your own neck out. Jesus wept, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Brexit won't cause a global earthquake. The rest of the world will do just fine.
    Whoosh.



    That was rather my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    OK, fair enough, I'll conclude that you're happy to dismiss others' opinions on what might happen in the next few weeks, but afraid to stick your own neck out. Jesus wept, eh?
    No, it’s called basic reciprocity. You can’t turn around and stomp your feet when you refuse to answer or respond to others questions and posts.

    As things stand, Ive spent significantly more time challenging people on facts and the data than their efforts to crystal ball gaze politics. Indeed, in this case, I’ve been more amused by your understanding of max facs -and what it does and doesn’t do -and hence it’s viability as a solution to the Irish border. As for my Jesus wept comment, it was in response to your interpretation of past events and why May finds herself in the position she does - more classic jihadist denial.

    I’m more than happy to stick my neck out, though your guess is as good as mine (probably not actually but you get my drift pal).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    Not only that, they were also talking about holidays in Krakow. Poland of course has it's own currency, not the Euro, which is currently at the same exchange rate as it was in 2008!

    #didnthappen indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    Not only that, they were also talking about holidays in Krakow. Poland of course has it's own currency, not the Euro, which is currently at the same exchange rate as it was in 2008!

    #didnthappen indeed!
    How has the zloty fared against the pound since Brexit pal? Clue: the answer just makes you look stupid.

    For a Brexit themed conversation (and thread), it’s remarkable the number of oddballs who think that 2008 is anyway relevant. Then again I wasn’t at Jeff’s dinner table and they all presumably were

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    I ignored it because it wasn't worth answering something so hypothetical.
    A classic Jihadist's response. You're simply unprepared to countenance the damage your pet idea might cause. Which means for you the goal trumps all else.

    So it's not just **** business. It's **** everyone.

    KABOOM!

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    Brendan O’Neill spot on again.

    “When politicians say Britain would fall apart after a No Deal Brexit, what they’re really saying is that they are incompetent. That they cannot run the country. That the UK is a small, useless nation that won’t cope outside of the EU. It’s so insulting”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Brendan O’Neill spot on again.

    “When politicians say Britain would fall apart after a No Deal Brexit, what they’re really saying is that they are incompetent. That they cannot run the country. That the UK is a small, useless nation that won’t cope outside of the EU. It’s so insulting”.

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    Absolute pony.

    Read Ivan Rogers Liverpool speech if you want a dose of reality from someone who’s been in the trenches rather than the dimwitted chest-thumping of a rent-a-gob hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    How has the zloty fared against the pound since Brexit pal? Clue: the answer just makes you look stupid.
    Not entirely sure what Brexit has got to do with the strength of the [independent] Zloty against the pound, especially as 'Brexit' hasn't actually happened yet, but feel free to have a look for yourself [pal] : https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/ba...BP-to-PLN-2007

    Jan 2005 5.8Zl / £
    Jan 2008 4.8Zl / £
    Jan 2009 4.3Zl / £
    Jan 2011 4.6Zl / £ (4 years before a vote on Brexit was even mentioned!)
    Jan 2013 4.9Zl / £
    Jan 2016 5.9Zl / £ (1 year after the vote on Brexit with the pound getting stronger against the Zloty!)
    Jan 2018 4.7Zl / £ (back to roughly 2008 levels!)

    I'm sure there's something in there that will make me look stupid though!

    You still haven't answered my question from a couple of days ago relating to an 'orderly' Brexit and how (in your humble opinion) this is possible....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbal View Post
    A classic Jihadist's response. You're simply unprepared to countenance the damage your pet idea might cause. Which means for you the goal trumps all else.

    So it's not just **** business. It's **** everyone.

    KABOOM!
    Furthermore, I refuse to respond to some idiot who uses inappropriate and insulting labels to those who disagree with him. We're leaving. Suck it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    Not entirely sure what Brexit has got to do with the strength of the [independent] Zloty against the pound, especially as 'Brexit' hasn't actually happened yet, but feel free to have a look for yourself [pal] : https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/ba...BP-to-PLN-2007

    Jan 2005 5.8Zl / £
    Jan 2008 4.8Zl / £
    Jan 2009 4.3Zl / £
    Jan 2011 4.6Zl / £ (4 years before a vote on Brexit was even mentioned!)
    Jan 2013 4.9Zl / £
    Jan 2016 5.9Zl / £ (1 year after the vote on Brexit with the pound getting stronger against the Zloty!)
    Jan 2018 4.7Zl / £ (back to roughly 2008 levels!)

    I'm sure there's something in there that will make me look stupid though!

    You still haven't answered my question from a couple of days ago relating to an 'orderly' Brexit and how (in your humble opinion) this is possible....
    So right the pound has weakened since the referendum. Good lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    So right the pound has weakened since the referendum. Good lad.
    No, Pal, it got stronger in 2016 - the year after the referendum.

    It has since fallen but as the historical data shows it has fallen in line pretty much with the 10 year average.

    Fortunately, some of us recognise that there is history pre-referendum and don't attribute everything that happens in the world to what is likely to be an insignificant vote for many countries!

    3 and out for me - I guess we'll have to wait another day for you to enlighten us with this fabled 'orderly' Brexit scenario???

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