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    “This is not about Brexit for us”.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    I think we should just bring back the Austin Allegro and label anyone who doesn't drive one a commie quisling traitor. Fetch the piano wire.
    I had one of those once, the windscreen just simply fell out one day. Good old british workmanship at it's finest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Window Cleaner View Post
    I had one of those once, the windscreen just simply fell out one day. Good old british workmanship at it's finest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Built by Robbo's don't forget.
    What in 1976? Doubt it, built by half-cut idiots I expect.

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    I thought Brexit was supposed to make us the darling of the global economy, a really wonderful place for business that foreign multinationals will be falling over themselves to invest in. Is that bit not happening then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Officials in Calais say in the event of a no deal brexit, movement of traffic/lorries etc will continue at the same pace and no need for the U.K. to divert to other ports


    Amazing, eh!
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ael-gove-says?

    It looks as if the Brexiteers cannot even agree amongst themselves on the extent of delays that will occur at the Channel after Brexit.... but if I had to choose between Batman and Michael Gove I know who I would believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ael-gove-says?

    It looks as if the Brexiteers cannot even agree amongst themselves on the extent of delays that will occur at the Channel after Brexit.... but if I had to choose between Batman and Michael Gove I know who I would believe.
    I was up in Calais the other day, waiting for my ferry. There was a DFDS ship alongside and they must have embarked nigh on 100 trucks. Thought to myself, do the Brits really need all the crap in those buggers. I'm sure you could do without the half of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saint si View Post
    I thought Brexit was supposed to make us the darling of the global economy, a really wonderful place for business that foreign multinationals will be falling over themselves to invest in. Is that bit not happening then?
    Interesting insight from the FT's Tokyo correspondent Robin Harding. During negotiations on the Japan-EU trade deal, the Tory government pushed for the earliest possible reduction in tariffs are vehicles, believing that this would help Japanese assembly plants in the UK. This logic only worked, of course, if Britain were in the EU. German and French car makers thought Japan would just repatriate its car plants.

    Still, nothing at all to do with Brexit - Nada, nyet, oh no...

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    I looked at the EU's press release on the Japanese deal. Don't seem to be at all worried about any job loss in the car sector. Just a lot of trumpet blowing about how much more Beef, Pork and Cheese that can be sent towards Japan. So if your nation has a lot of meat and cheese to sell, you're quids in, if you make Japanese cars you're not.

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    You are all so negative.

    The multi-talented Liam Fox has agreed a trade deal with the Faroe Islands.

    Quite a relief, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecuk268 View Post
    You are all so negative.

    The multi-talented Liam Fox has agreed a trade deal with the Faroe Islands.

    Quite a relief, eh?
    And there was me thinking that the Faroe Islands were part of Denmark.
    Probably had a revolution when I wasn't looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Window Cleaner View Post
    And there was me thinking that the Faroe Islands were part of Denmark.
    Probably had a revolution when I wasn't looking.
    The Faroes have been self governing since just after the Second World War, and are not part of the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    The Faroes have been self governing since just after the Second World War, and are not part of the EU.
    Ah, like the Channel Islands then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbal View Post
    Christ, the straw-clutching from the purple-headed Jihadists...

    Honda, like the majority of manufacturing in the UK, has turned off the investment tap since the 2016 referendum. You can try to claim that issues like the sharp decline in diesel sales is responsible, but there are two responses that car makers can opt for: invest in new technology (including electric-powered cars) or run down existing plant and quietly walk away. Honda have clearly opted for the latter in Britain. Depressingly, despite soothing words, it wouldn't be a surprise to see Nissan go the same way. It's already taken the first step.

    The Japan-EU trade deal - something that the UK simply won't be able to replicate - has accelerated this. And this is touted by Honda themselves as a major influence on their decision. One of the reasons for that is that it's unlikely - given the Jihadist capture (Irish extremists plus the ETG cult) of the Tory party and the prostration of the opposition - that there will be anything like truly 'frictionless' trade between the EU and the UK. It will be easier to do business with the EU directly from Japan rather than the tangled mess of whatever trade deal eventually - in five, ten or more years, eventually emerges between Britain and Europe.

    AS for 'global trends', this is also not about Honda retrenching to Japan. The company still maintains plants across the world - even Pakistan has less trouble hanging on to its Honda factory than the cretinous political class and their cult followers in the UK.
    Pakistan managed to keep their car manufacturing you say? Hmm. Nothing to do with a general move to the tech heavy cheaper east then?

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    Must be part of the recession for daring to vote to leave the EU.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47290331

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    looks like the yellow vest wannbe has been charged...

    Soubry protester James Goddard charged with harassment

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47296821

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    Must be part of the recession for daring to vote to leave the EU.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47290331
    It’s extraordinarily bad luck for the government that so many pieces of bad economic news just happen to be occurring at the same time it is mishandling Brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    “This is not about Brexit for us”.




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    Sir David Warren, the British ambassador to Japan from 2008 to 2012, has said “The idea that Brexit uncertainty is irrelevant to this is fanciful. How are Honda supposed to calculate the costs and benefits of staying in the UK in the overall global context against such lack of clarity on the future terms of trade?”

    Warren said Brexit supporters who seized on Honda’s statement were missing the point. With five weeks to go to the deadline, the UK was yet to clarify whether it would leave the EU without any deal, or on the basis of a deal that simply deferred discussion of trading terms to the next stage of negotiations.

    The Japanese government would be “privately conscious of the danger of the massively important UK/Japan trade and investment relationship – and other foreign direct investment – being held hostage by an internal debate within the Conservative party that it is proving difficult to resolve”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
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    Sir David Warren, the British ambassador to Japan from 2008 to 2012, has said “The idea that Brexit uncertainty is irrelevant to this is fanciful. How are Honda supposed to calculate the costs and benefits of staying in the UK in the overall global context against such lack of clarity on the future terms of trade?”

    Warren said Brexit supporters who seized on Honda’s statement were missing the point. With five weeks to go to the deadline, the UK was yet to clarify whether it would leave the EU without any deal, or on the basis of a deal that simply deferred discussion of trading terms to the next stage of negotiations.

    The Japanese government would be “privately conscious of the danger of the massively important UK/Japan trade and investment relationship – and other foreign direct investment – being held hostage by an internal debate within the Conservative party that it is proving difficult to resolve”.
    If that was the case why didn't Nissan just say so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    If that was the case why didn't Nissan just say so?
    Because Nissan and Honda and all the other companies planning to move production out of the UK still want to sell cars here. You don't sell cars by alienating the Brexit loving half of the market. Instead you say something anodyne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Because Nissan and Honda and all the other companies planning to move production out of the UK still want to sell cars here. You don't sell cars by alienating the Brexit loving half of the market. Instead you say something anodyne.
    ‘It’s not you.. it’s me.’

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Because Nissan and Honda and all the other companies planning to move production out of the UK still want to sell cars here. You don't sell cars by alienating the Brexit loving half of the market. Instead you say something anodyne.
    Bizarre that people don't get that simple point.

    Honda have played an absolute blinder.

    They just say it's not Brexit and the swivel-eyed swallow it and crow like it's some kind of victory. Absolute blinder.

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    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/a...mpression=true

    Aviva Insurance is going to shift nine billion pounds out of the UK into Ireland. The transaction will process on 22:59 on 29th March 2019.

    Apparently its all to to do with diesel engines or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/a...mpression=true

    Aviva Insurance is going to shift nine billion pounds out of the UK into Ireland. The transaction will process on 22:59 on 29th March 2019.

    Apparently its all to to do with diesel engines or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/a...mpression=true

    Aviva Insurance is going to shift nine billion pounds out of the UK into Ireland. The transaction will process on 22:59 on 29th March 2019.

    Apparently its all to to do with diesel engines or something.
    Exactly my point, They have said it is due to Brexit, no need to say something anodyne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    Exactly my point, They have said it is due to Brexit, no need to say something anodyne.
    For one, they had to give that reason to a judge in court, where anodyne might not wash when there's 9 billion quid at stake.

    Secondly banking doesn't quite have that emotional pull as car manufacturing does, either as a product people are interested in buying or as an industry of workers that people feel an affinity with, so won't be under the same microscope.

    Also, they won't have lots of plausible other reasons.

    And, of course, there's probably not that many jobs at obvious and immediate threat from this. There won't be reporters speaking to honest workers trudging into the Aviva office like there was in Swindon earlier this week.

    Lastly, bankers really don't give a fu ck. Yeah it's Brexit. You all voted for it, we'll take our money elsewhere.
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    The Japanese are too polite and diplomatic. End of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    For one, they had to give that reason to a judge in court, where anodyne might not wash when there's 9 billion quid at stake.

    Secondly banking doesn't quite have that emotional pull as car manufacturing does, either as a product people are interested in buying or as an industry of workers that people feel an affinity with, so won't be under the same microscope.

    Also, they won't have lots of plausible other reasons.

    And, of course, there's probably not that many jobs at obvious and immediate threat from this. There won't be reporters speaking to honest workers trudging into the Aviva office like there was in Swindon earlier this week.

    Lastly, bankers really don't give a fu ck. Yeah it's Brexit. You all voted for it, we'll take our money elsewhere.
    No one, except the odd loon, is going to not buy a car because they mentioned Brexit, hundreds of companies with products to sell have spoken out against it, even Nissan mentioned it in their descision.

    Their descision was explained very clearly on radio 5 yesterday. Because of the shift from diesel to electric/hybrid there requires massive investment and it made sense to invest in fewer locations so Swindon was going to close regardless of wether we were in the EU or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    No one, except the odd loon, is going to not buy a car because they mentioned Brexit, hundreds of companies with products to sell have spoken out against it, even Nissan mentioned it in their descision.

    Their descision was explained very clearly on radio 5 yesterday. Because of the shift from diesel to electric/hybrid there requires massive investment and it made sense to invest in fewer locations so Swindon was going to close regardless of wether we were in the EU or not.
    Why does it make sense to invest in fewer locations, especially when those locations serve a localised market and they receive massive subsidies to be there? Why not invest in the factories in the UK to build these cars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    No one, except the odd loon, is going to not buy a car because they mentioned Brexit, hundreds of companies with products to sell have spoken out against it, even Nissan mentioned it in their descision.

    Their descision was explained very clearly on radio 5 yesterday. Because of the shift from diesel to electric/hybrid there requires massive investment and it made sense to invest in fewer locations so Swindon was going to close regardless of wether we were in the EU or not.
    Nissan haven't announced shutting the entire factory down. Yet.

    As for loons, well, people who would prefer this country simply remained in the same trading/political framework we have had for the last 40 years are called "traitors" and worse as a matter of course these days.

    That fu ckwit Tory MP ranting on about the war in response to Airbus. Union jack flagwaving types saying they'd rather eat grass if it meant we were out of the EU and that rationing would good for the country. Multiply that by a hostile media environment and it doesn't take a genius Public Relations chief to advise Honda on exactly what they did.

    The effing "loons" are dominating the entire political direction of the country sunshine.

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    More good news for the UK economy ahead of freedom day:



    Apparently, this is all because of Brexit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/a...mpression=true

    Aviva Insurance is going to shift nine billion pounds out of the UK into Ireland. The transaction will process on 22:59 on 29th March 2019.

    Apparently its all to to do with diesel engines or something.
    The Irish have a unique corporation tax that is there to draw employment and business. It is an unfair advantage against all other EU countries. Their argument is that they only have a few million people and so cant do industry and so need this tax break to bring investment in. Once the EU dont allow that anymore the big companies will move again.
    Perhaps when we leave we will do the same.
    If only all this had been clear when the vote was made, but even if there is a 2nd referendum the damage is already done. It is death by a thousand cuts.

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    So now Liam Fox has confirmed that a continuity trade deal with Japan will not be ready for March 29th as promised. ( But he has managed to get one with the Palestinian Authority sorted out ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    So now Liam Fox has confirmed that a continuity trade deal with Japan will not be ready for March 29th as promised. ( But he has managed to get one with the Palestinian Authority sorted out ).
    The Japanese said he was arrogant and high handed. I can't imagine where they got that idea from. They must have met him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    So now Liam Fox has confirmed that a continuity trade deal with Japan will not be ready for March 29th as promised. ( But he has managed to get one with the Palestinian Authority sorted out ).
    Don't forget the Faroe Islands. We will need those big jumpers when it gets cold.

    He did say that he would have 40 trade deals in place as soon as we left the EU. Yet another Brexiteer who is finding that unicorns don't exist.

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    We know that Brexit voters were broadly in the intellectually-challenged category.

    Now you can see how you score:

    https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20190222182770

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecuk268 View Post
    We know that Brexit voters were broadly in the intellectually-challenged category.

    Now you can see how you score:

    https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20190222182770
    Thickness level 5 is summed up nicely by Jihadi John's constant prophecies of doom for Europe.

    I am slightly surprised. I would have thought that he would have got 6 out of 6 in the thickness levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecuk268 View Post
    We know that Brexit voters were broadly in the intellectually-challenged category.

    Now you can see how you score:

    https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20190222182770
    You’d have to be careful which friends you shared that with on Facebook. Lols. My FB friends are a broad church and I’ve got to thinking how funny it would be to arrange for some of the Brexit voting “characters” to meet in a pub, touting it as a gathering of like minded individuals. A fight would be the absolute minimum outcome, with walking out in disgust as the hot favourite. Not that as individuals, they aren’t mostly very nice people.

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    "Former World Trade Organisation boss Pascal Lamy slams 'nonsense' plans for no deal trade. He dismissed claims from Brexiteers suggesting the UK would enjoy better trade regulations with international partners without a Brexit divorce deal with the European Union.

    The former World Trade Organisation (WTO) chief insisted the British Government should strike an arrangement securing continuity past March 29 because of the deep connection British and European business have built over the past 40 years. Speaking to Euronews, Mr Lamy said: "I know there’s a view on the Brexit side that they become independent, they regain control. "In a world which is globalising, integrating, I think it makes absolutely no sense. "What would be the sense of having a regulation for 60 million people when the world is moving to zones who have regulations for 500 million or 600 million people?"

    A no deal scenario in March 2019 would effectively annul all trade deals the UK has benefited from as a member of the EU unless rolled back into British legislation. Britain would then have to revert to WTO rules and apply a set list of tariffs - a tax on imports of goods – and quotas – limits on the number of goods - on other countries seeking to do business with the UK."

    Fancy that.

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    Not only can't Jeremy Hunt tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese, he doesn't appear to have much of an understanding of post WW2 Balkan history;

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...fe-in-slovenia

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    Does anybody - anybody - actually support May and her approach? Does anyone think she is doing a good job? I haven’t met or spoken to anyone, on either side of the debate, who feel anything she is doing is worthy of support.
    The only support she appears to have is from the outsider MP’s she has been forced to elevate into cabinet positions. How long can she possibly continue like this?

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    A second refurendum has been the obvious way forward ever since May first tried to get her deal through Parliament in December. All the ****ing about since has just been embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    A second refurendum has been the obvious way forward ever since May first tried to get her deal through Parliament in December. All the ****ing about since has just been embarrassing.
    I can see it happening now. The Labour backbench amendment to get May' s deal passed through Parliament on condition that the deal is then put to a People's Vote is the way out of this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    I can see it happening now. The Labour backbench amendment to get May' s deal passed through Parliament on condition that the deal is then put to a People's Vote is the way out of this mess.
    I still stick to my prediction from a few weeks back. The ERG/swivels will vote through a Brexit deal - any Brexit deal - rather than risk anything that stops coming out on March 29th. Enough of Parliament will also back it (respecting democracy etc etc) and that will be that. May knows this and in that regard her current strategy is fair enough.

    On the morning of March 30th the ERG will then disown said deal, say it wouldn't be how they'd have done it and proceed to blame the EU for every bad thing that ever happens to our country for the next decade, just like Brexit never happened. Everyone a winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    I still stick to my prediction from a few weeks back. The ERG/swivels will vote through a Brexit deal - any Brexit deal - rather than risk anything that stops coming out on March 29th. Enough of Parliament will also back it (respecting democracy etc etc) and that will be that. May knows this and in that regard her current strategy is fair enough.

    On the morning of March 30th the ERG will then disown said deal, say it wouldn't be how they'd have done it and proceed to blame the EU for every bad thing that ever happens to our country for the next decade, just like Brexit never happened. Everyone a winner.
    Everyone's a winner, but in fact we're all just losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    I still stick to my prediction from a few weeks back. The ERG/swivels will vote through a Brexit deal - any Brexit deal - rather than risk anything that stops coming out on March 29th. Enough of Parliament will also back it (respecting democracy etc etc) and that will be that. May knows this and in that regard her current strategy is fair enough.

    On the morning of March 30th the ERG will then disown said deal, say it wouldn't be how they'd have done it and proceed to blame the EU for every bad thing that ever happens to our country for the next decade, just like Brexit never happened. Everyone a winner.
    I think the ERG's heartfelt desire for a Jihadist outcome means they won't support May's deal. They still believe their own lies that GATT Article 24 will save the British economy from their own cultism (sorry for the misspelling).

    It's also clear that the EU is not going to budge on the backstop language in the withdrawal agreement. May and her allies know this, which is why they haven't even tried to negotiate it in the last few days. (Much to the bewilderment of the EU, Geoffrey Cox came to Brussels last week with no new proposals at all on the 'alternative arrangements'. It's all a pantomime to run down the clock.)

    If May's deal is voted down, an awful lot will turn on the Letwin-Cooper amendment. If that also fails, you're likely to see a severe market reaction - which may do for delaying Brexit what the amendment will have failed to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbal View Post

    Much to the bewilderment of the EU, Geoffrey Cox came to Brussels last week with no new proposals at all on the 'alternative arrangements'.
    That’s because Cox isn’t there to present proposals on alternative arrangements. He’s presenting legal text that if accepted will enable him to adjust his legal advise over the chances of remaining in the back stop permanently. James Forsyth said so on yesterday’s Spectator podcast. Still, what does he know. He’s just the bloke Theresa May said is the most informed journalist on cabinet leaks, rather than a bloke who posts on a football forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    I still stick to my prediction from a few weeks back. The ERG/swivels will vote through a Brexit deal - any Brexit deal - rather than risk anything that stops coming out on March 29th. Enough of Parliament will also back it (respecting democracy etc etc) and that will be that. May knows this and in that regard her current strategy is fair enough.

    On the morning of March 30th the ERG will then disown said deal, say it wouldn't be how they'd have done it and proceed to blame the EU for every bad thing that ever happens to our country for the next decade, just like Brexit never happened. Everyone a winner.
    And this is what the Labour party wants so they can then blame everything on the disastrous Tory Brexit (a saying they are starting to roll out now). It's all ideologues clashing trying to get maximum payback for themselves, none of this is about what is good for the country.

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...referendum-dup

    Cracking article. Didn't know he had it in him!

    This actually echoes the idelaogue point, just made by Fan the Flames.

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    So then, with Corbyn's move it looks like May's deal is now inevitable.

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