Brexit - Post Match Reaction

I can read too. I'm asking what EU state aid provided to Slovenia means? Who provided the state aid?

Calm your tits, im on your side. For some reason it cut out the rest of my message.

I copied those readying you for the replies.

Calm your tits, im on your side. For some reason it cut out the rest of my message.

 

I copied those readying you for the replies.

The rest of it is fairly important:

Under EU state aid rules, a subsidy must not “directly cause the relocation of existing or close down activities from elsewhere in the EU”, or “divert investment away from another region in the EU which has the same, or lower, level of economic development”.

 

In the UK, only Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly and West Wales and the valleys are classified as less developed.

 

 

In contrast, all of Slovakia, with the exception of Bratislava, is rated as less developed and so qualifies for more funding and higher state aid limits.

 

 

For the current EU budget period of 2014-2020, the UK, which has a population of about 66 million people, received €16.4 billion under the European Structural and Investment Funds. Slovakia, which has a population of 5.45 million, is in line to receive €15.2 billion.

Sounds fair to the champagne socialists on here, apparently....

The rest of it is fairly important:

 

 

 

Sounds fair to the champagne socialists on here, apparently....

So you're unable to explain what you mean by "the state aid that has been provided to Slovenia (Slovakia)"?

By your silence, I take it that you realise you've made a massive tit of yourself. Again.

#completelyannihilated #gamesetandmatch

...and this sums the whole thing up...

EU sources denied that the state aid approval meant investment was drained from the UK. Both the EU and JLR have said in the past that if it had not opened the £1.5 billion factory in Slovakia it would have opened a plant in Mexico instead.Pieter Cleppe, head of the Brussels office of the Open Europe think tank, said the EU’s claims were disingenuous and accused Competiton Commissioner Magrethe Vestager of double standards.

He said: “It's scandalous that Commissioner Vestager allows Slovakia to grant state aid. To have fair competition was always the cornerstone of EU cooperation, so this is unlikely to promote EU membership in the UK.”

"if it had not opened the £1.5 billion factory in Slovakia it would have opened a plant in Mexico instead."

Trump shot the Mexican deal down, obviously and JLR have no loyalty to the UK or the EU. It's all about the cheap money. No deal exit and then 25% tariff on Land Rovers and Transits will work for us then. It'll work for Trump, you mark my words.

So you're unable to explain what you mean by "the state aid that has been provided to Slovenia (Slovakia)"?

 

By your silence, I take it that you realise you've made a massive tit of yourself. Again.

 

#completelyannihilated #gamesetandmatch

Read it carefully, Herbert. Slovakia, which has a population of 5.45 million, is in line to receive €15.2 billion under the European Structural and Investment Funds. Slovakia then provided state aid to JLR, which, apparently doesn't seem to bother the EU, only the 5,000 JLR workers losing their jobs. Those interested may wonder where the f*** the EU get their money to dole out.

That's right. From the same place the EIB gets their money from to provide state aid to Ford to move the Transit factory to Turkey. Rich northern EU countries, who get it from their tax payers.

Of course, a champagne socialist like you believes in money trees....

So, UK taxpayers subsidise state aid to a "UK" car manufacture to move jobs from the UK to Slovakia. I'm so annoyed, I think I'm going to vote for Jeremy Corbyn. He'll teach the EU all about state aid...

( Let's go fishing.......)

David Lammy speaking in The Commons;

“Why do some many in this house continue to support Brexit, when they know it will wreck jobs, the NHS and our standing in the world.” “This is the fundamental dishonesty of the heart of the Brexit debate, most MPs must now recognise in private but do not say it in public.” “Brexit is a con, a trick, a swindle, a fraud. A deception that will hurt most of those people it promised to help.”

“A dangerous fantasy which will make every problem it claims to solve worse. A campaign won on false promises and lies.” “Vote Leave and Leave EU both broke the law. Russian interference is beyond reasonable doubt, and by now, every single campaign promise made in 2016 has become unstuck.”

“I say we must not patronise them with cowardice, let’s tell them the truth – you were sold a lie.”

Blame us, blame Westminster, do not blame Brussels for our own country’s mistakes and do not be angry at us for telling you the truth, be angry at the chancers who sold you a lie.”

“There is no left-wing justification for Brexit. Ditching workers’ rights, social protections and ending environmental cooperation is not progressive. This is a project about neo-liberal deregulation, it’s Thatcherism on steroids pushed by her modern-day disciples. “Leaving the EU will not free us from the injustices of global capitalism, it will make us subordinate to Trump’s US. “Socialism confined to one country will not work, whether you like it or not, the world we live in is global, we can only fix the rigged system if we cooperate across border lines. “The party of Keir Hardie has always been international. We must not let down our young supporters by failing to stand with them at the biggest issue of our lives.”

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-lammy-brexit-con-trick-fraud-house-of-commons-video/

Read it carefully, Herbert. Slovakia, which has a population of 5.45 million, is in line to receive €15.2 billion under the European Structural and Investment Funds. Slovakia then provided state aid to JLR, which, apparently doesn't seem to bother the EU, only the 5,000 JLR workers losing their jobs. Those interested may wonder where the f*** the EU get their money to dole out.

That's right. From the same place the EIB gets their money from to provide state aid to Ford to move the Transit factory to Turkey. Rich northern EU countries, who get it from their tax payers.

Of course, a champagne socialist like you believes in money trees....

 

So, UK taxpayers subsidise state aid to a "UK" car manufacture to move jobs from the UK to Slovakia. I'm so annoyed, I think I'm going to vote for Jeremy Corbyn. He'll teach the EU all about state aid...

So state aid wasn't provided to Slovakia (or Slovenia as you call it). You were incorrect to assert as such. Rather the Slovakian government awarded subsidies to JLR to build a new plant. It was an independent decision by a sovereign state and had nowt to do with the EU.

And lets be clear there's no evidence that money from the European Structural and Investment Fund was invested in or around the plant in Nitra (ESIF is completely different from state aid).

As mentioned before, dim right-wingers like yourself should welcome EU state aid rules which exist to ensure that such aid is well-targeted to addresses market failures and doesn’t distort competition.

Poorer member states have higher state aid limits than richer member states because market failures tend to be larger in transitional economies like Slovakia. Still the use of state aid needs to be reviewed and approved by the European Commission in every case and there are limits to how far national governments can subsidise activity. This means that thanks to our friends in the EU and European Commission, governments can’t engage in pure zero-sum mercantilism and throw around unlimited amounts of cash to divert investment and activity. I wonder what the Slovakians and JLR would have got up to had state aid rules not been in place, right pal?

ESIF sees money (chump change in the grand scheme of things) flow from richer member to poorer member states and regions - the quid pro quo is that poorer member states and regions must open their markets to competition which naturally benefits firms and producers from richer member states that are significantly more productive and competitive. Never mind that broad-based economic growth is ultimately more sustainable -whether within countries or across countries.

So state aid wasn't provided to Slovakia (or Slovenia as you call it). You were incorrect to assert as such. Rather the Slovakian government awarded subsidies to JLR to build a new plant. It was an independent decision by a sovereign state and had nowt to do with the EU.

You really are a grade A out of touch w@nker and the latest article in the Telegraph shows by just how much. It was state aid, so I look forward to your grovelling apology.

Jaguar Land Rover refused to offer British workers jobs at its new plant in Slovakia on Friday, as it emerged that Theresa May’s Brexit deal would leave Britain powerless to prevent EU countries offering cash sweeteners to companies to move production out of the UK.

 

On Thursday, JLR announced the loss of 4,500 British jobs. Last year the EU cleared Slovakian state aid worth £110 million to convince the car-maker to set up a new plant in Nitra, creating 2,350 jobs in Eastern Europe.

 

 

Bosses at the company are targeting £2.5bn of cost cuts after JLR slumped to a £354m half-year loss in the face of falling sales as the company faces a barrage of problems ranging from plunging sales of diesel cars, new regulations and a slowdown in China, once its biggest and most lucrative market.

Now back on ignore for you for being a clueless windbag and all round enemy of the working class (Oh and a w@nkstain)

You really are a grade A out of touch w@nker and the latest article in the Telegraph shows by just how much. It was state aid, so I look forward to your grovelling apology.

 

 

Now back on ignore for you for being a clueless windbag and all round enemy of the working class (Oh and a w@nkstain)

Oh dear. The Slovakian government awarded state aid -or subsidies or assistance to JLR to build a new plant. The EU reviewed and approved this assistance given it was potentially in violation of its state aid rules. In other words, the decision to provide state aid was a sovereign decision by Slovakia. State aid wasn't provided to Slovakia. The EU didn't and doesn't provide state aid. It simply asseses whether member states behaviour is in line with EU rules. Fullstop.

Seriously pal, you're out of your depth. Believe or not, I feel bad having to embarrass you each and every time like this.

You really are a grade A out of touch w@nker and the latest article in the Telegraph shows by just how much. It was state aid, so I look forward to your grovelling apology.

 

 

Now back on ignore for you for being a clueless windbag and all round enemy of the working class (Oh and a w@nkstain)

I think you're misunderstanding Shurlock here. He doesn't deny it's state aid. He's denying that the EU gave the state aid - which is correct.

When we offered subsidies to Nissan, Toyota etc, was that through EU state aid? Oh, and the amount the UK Government is going to have to pay them now, without EU state aid (arf), is going to outweigh the benefits of having them here. Just another way we're going to spend that £350m per week.

So, after a lot of huffing and puffing, posturing, and name calling, we can conclude that post the referendum vote in 2016, an Indian company accepted some incentives to move part of it's production out of a country that had just decided to leave the EU, to one that was staying in. Who could have predicted that ?

Annihilation.

Oh dear. The Slovakian government awarded state aid -or subsidies or assistance to JLR to build a new plant. The EU reviewed and approved this assistance given it was potentially in violation of its state aid rules. In other words, the decision to provide state aid was a sovereign decision by Slovakia. State aid wasn't provided to Slovakia. The EU didn't and doesn't provide state aid. It simply asseses whether member states behaviour is in line with EU rules. Fullstop.

 

Seriously pal, you're out of your depth. Believe or not, I feel bad having to embarrass you each and every time like this.

But what about the state aid given by Slovenia?

But what about the state aid given by Slovenia?

Take it easy on the dopey c**t.

Shurlock is a modern day hero.

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I suppose the question is whether JLR would have moved to the cheaper subsidised option of Slovenia , if we were in or out. JLR have moved a lot of production to China and so sadly the writing was on the wall as they dont need to export the cars but make them in house. Global business can do this, that is why people who think the super rich can be squeezed to pay more tax here for the Labour spending are delusional. They will just move.

Global business can do this, that is why people who think the super rich can be squeezed to pay more tax here for the Labour spending are delusional. They will just move.

The project fear playbook will be used on them at the next election. What’s to stop Carney or the BoE voicing their concerns, foreign leaders, the imf ( they’ll obviously be subtle about it, but the leaks will come). Big business always back the Tories, but labour will have real credibility issues if their line is to listen to big business when it comes to Brexit, but ignore them when it comes to Corbyn.

Surely the best defence of Corbyns economic plans is to point at Brexit and say “they were wrong then and they’re wrong now”. The tories will paint Jezza as a threat to jobs, to prosperity, a real earthquake and fundamental change. Surely an orderly Brexit will prove that the country can sustain a similar shock,so I really don’t understand why their MPs are parroting project fears scare stories.

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I suppose the question is whether JLR would have moved to the cheaper subsidised option of Slovenia , if we were in or out. JLR have moved a lot of production to China and so sadly the writing was on the wall as they dont need to export the cars but make them in house. Global business can do this, that is why people who think the super rich can be squeezed to pay more tax here for the Labour spending are delusional. They will just move.

There is greater defence against shifting production to cheaper locations as part of the EU than as a standalone high wage economy. The EU has rules about poaching of companies from one member state to the other. They're not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than nothing.

Honda, Toyota and Nissan all set up in the UK because they needed access to the EU single market without having to pay import tariffs. If we leave that reason disappears. Unless we stay within the single market and customs union we can kiss goodbye to a massive chunk of British manufacturing, not just cars, but aerospace, pharmaceuticals and electronics. Its not project fear its basic economics. Why would you locate in the UK if you can have tariff free access to a much larger market by manufacturing in a country with lower wage costs and that country is prepared to offer you massive subsidies to relocate?

 

Unless we stay within the single market and customs union we can kiss goodbye to a massive chunk of British manufacturing, not just cars, but aerospace, pharmaceuticals and electronics. Its not project fear its basic economics. Why would you locate in the UK if you can have tariff free access to a much larger market by manufacturing in a country with lower wage costs and a country is prepared to offer you massive subsidies to relocate?

Will this happen alongside the 700,000 job losses, housing market crash, etc......oh

Still waiting for that emergency budget and recession following a leave vote.

Still waiting for that emergency budget and recession following a leave vote.

You and Batman, read Buctootim’s post above. You’ll learn something, unlike those far right comics by Murdoch and Barclay Brothers you read. We haven’t actually left the EU yet as well....

You and Batman, read Buctootim’s post above. You’ll learn something, unlike those far right comics by Murdoch and Barclay Brothers you read. We haven’t actually left the EU yet as well....

It was from the government/chancellor of the exchequer of the time.

It was from the government/chancellor of the exchequer of the time.

George Osborne talking b0ll0x - what an unusual and unexpected occurrence. Does this balance out the £350 million per week, and the 80 million Turkish migrants ?

George Osborne talking b0ll0x - what an unusual and unexpected occurrence.

and the government?

backed by all the 'experts' we were told not to ignore

Interesting to compare whose economic forecasts were most accurate in 2018. Alas many of the establishment forecasts -ones derided as project fear- were pretty much bang on the money. Bottom of the league? None other than the ERG and Brexiter's economists of choice - Patrick Minford and his ragbag bunch of fantasists.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/david-smith-a-downbeat-year-but-not-for-the-forecasters-r79rqhpjm

You wonder if the Brexiters on this thread are exhibitionists because they obviously like having their pants pulled down

and the government?

backed by all the 'experts' we were told not to ignore

Q)How do you know when a Politician is lying ?

A) He's a Politician, what else would you expect ?

Q)How do you know when a Politician is lying ?

 

A) He's a Politician, what else would you expect ?

you must include the Gov of the BoE. He is another lying toad then

George Osborne talking b0ll0x - what an unusual and unexpected occurrence. Does this balance out the £350 million per week, and the 80 million Turkish migrants ?

I guess those lies are worse because they were from the side you didn’t agree with?

I guess those lies are worse because they were from the side you didn’t agree with?

Not at all, I disagreed with much of what Cameron & Osborne stood for, and instigated. My vote in the referendum was decided before the vote was called - I am, and have always been pro-Europe, and thought a lot of the Vote Leave campaign was fuelled by 'Little Englander' memories of an historical version of Britain that never really existed. That, and an appeal to a xenophobic tendency that was exploited by Farage and some of the more right-leaning press.

Q)How do you know when a Politician is lying ?

 

A) He's a Politician, what else would you expect ?

Like here?

( Let's go fishing.......)

 

David Lammy speaking in The Commons;

 

 

“Why do some many in this house continue to support Brexit, when they know it will wreck jobs, the NHS and our standing in the world.” “This is the fundamental dishonesty of the heart of the Brexit debate, most MPs must now recognise in private but do not say it in public.” “Brexit is a con, a trick, a swindle, a fraud. A deception that will hurt most of those people it promised to help.”

“A dangerous fantasy which will make every problem it claims to solve worse. A campaign won on false promises and lies.” “Vote Leave and Leave EU both broke the law. Russian interference is beyond reasonable doubt, and by now, every single campaign promise made in 2016 has become unstuck.”

 

“I say we must not patronise them with cowardice, let’s tell them the truth – you were sold a lie.”

 

Blame us, blame Westminster, do not blame Brussels for our own country’s mistakes and do not be angry at us for telling you the truth, be angry at the chancers who sold you a lie.”

 

“There is no left-wing justification for Brexit. Ditching workers’ rights, social protections and ending environmental cooperation is not progressive. This is a project about neo-liberal deregulation, it’s Thatcherism on steroids pushed by her modern-day disciples. “Leaving the EU will not free us from the injustices of global capitalism, it will make us subordinate to Trump’s US. “Socialism confined to one country will not work, whether you like it or not, the world we live in is global, we can only fix the rigged system if we cooperate across border lines. “The party of Keir Hardie has always been international. We must not let down our young supporters by failing to stand with them at the biggest issue of our lives.”

 

 

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-lammy-brexit-con-trick-fraud-house-of-commons-video/

Like here?

You are aware that some comments are posted to introduce an element of humour, even at a 'playground' level, into the dank morass that this thread tends to descend into ? My little play on the meme "How do you know when a teenager is lying ? His lips are moving." was obviously too subtle for you.

Why are you still obsessed with Osborne's economic projections, which at the time of the referendum campaign could not be proven or disproven, yet seem unconcerned by the other campaign propaganda claims I mentioned, which at the time were easily shown to be complete fabrications ?

Q)How do you know when a Politician is lying ?

 

A) He's a Politician, what else would you expect ?

Yeah, John F Kennedy said he'd serve a full term. Liar.

https://www.ft.com/content/c9d2a2ca-1262-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e

Good news, hey?

https://www.ft.com/content/c9d2a2ca-1262-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e

 

Good news, hey?

It would help if it wasn't behind a paywall.

It would help if it wasn't behind a paywall.

“financial services sector shifts £800bn in assets to Europe”. Tells you all you need to know

“financial services sector shifts £800bn in assets to Europe”. Tells you all you need to know

Project Fear again ?

People discuss Brexit on a football day? Away with you all

People discuss Brexit on a football day? Away with you all

Does this make up for things?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/12/neil-warnock-cardiff-city-brexit-leave

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46856129

Good to know what side Colin’s on

Another day in Brexitland....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6584345/McDonalds-diner-claims-white-men-built-civilisation-slams-immigrants-feminists.html

Also, this guy is a dead ringer for (a) Harry Enfield's Mr You-Don't-Wanna-Do-It-Like-That and (b) every 'nativist' on here.

Another day in Brexitland....

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6584345/McDonalds-diner-claims-white-men-built-civilisation-slams-immigrants-feminists.html

 

Also, this guy is a dead ringer for (a) Harry Enfield's Mr You-Don't-Wanna-Do-It-Like-That and (b) every 'nativist' on here.

You need to seek help

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Does this make up for things?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/12/neil-warnock-cardiff-city-brexit-leave

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46856129

 

Good to know what side Colin’s on

I want to know what Luke Shaw thinks

You need to seek help

 

 

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Ah, another cri de coeur from our resident, and self-identifying, neon Nazi sympathiser.

I wonder if you have any thoughts on what was actually said in that video? As ever, the Brexit jihadists on here won't distance themselves from the rabid racists that have attached to the post-referendum slide of this country into tiny-minded mediocrity. They won't detach themselves because they ARE the kind racists that appear in these videos.

I want to know what Luke Shaw thinks

Matt Targett isn't a fan of the Spitzenkandidat process.

Ah, another cri de coeur from our resident, and self-identifying, neon Nazi sympathiser.

 

I wonder if you have any thoughts on what was actually said in that video? As ever, the Brexit jihadists on here won't distance themselves from the rabid racists that have attached to the post-referendum slide of this country into tiny-minded mediocrity. They won't detach themselves because they ARE the kind racists that appear in these videos.

You’re making a fool of yourself.

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Ah, another cri de coeur from our resident, and self-identifying, neon Nazi sympathiser.

I want to know what Luke Shaw thinks

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Probably wondering if his favourite pri-pri chicken sauce from Nandos will get more expensive when we leave the EU

 

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That's an interesting one because Nando's is Portuguese but the peri-peri chilli is an African chilli which was then spread by the Lusophone empire-builders to other parts of the world, including India.

Could end up being cheaper if Nando's UK can bring it's peri-peri directly into the UK from India or Africa and we're out of a customs union.

I was undecided on Brexit before but it's useful, real-life examples like this that help one make one's mind up.

You’re making a fool of yourself.

 

 

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Okay, if allying yourself with racist abusers won't give you pause for thought - let alone any actual condemnation - how comfortable are you allying with pedophiles?

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's mob have hijacked and are leading the yellow vests. Let's look at the record of some other neon Nazis - those identifying with Yaxley Lennon's politics.

Richard Price. Former EDL leader. Now on the sex offender's register, having admitted four counts of making indecent images of children and two charges of possessing cocaine.

Michael Coates. NW Infidels. Charged with two attempted rapes and other sexual offences.

Brett Moses. Hull EDL. 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming.

Matthew Woodward. Teesside EDL. Charged with child pornography and soliciting a thirteen year old for photographs.

Alan Thomas Ellis. Deeside EDL. Convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a fourteen year old girl.

Archie Sliman. EDL. Kidnapping and abusing a ten year old girl.

Stephen Payne. SDL. Convicted of grooming a thirteen year old.

Nigel Hesmondalgh. BNP. Jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children.

Okay, if allying yourself with racist abusers won't give you pause for thought - let alone any actual condemnation - how comfortable are you allying with pedophiles?

 

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's mob have hijacked and are leading the yellow vests. Let's look at the record of some other neon Nazis - those identifying with Yaxley Lennon's politics.

 

Richard Price. Former EDL leader. Now on the sex offender's register, having admitted four counts of making indecent images of children and two charges of possessing cocaine.

 

Michael Coates. NW Infidels. Charged with two attempted rapes and other sexual offences.

 

Brett Moses. Hull EDL. 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming.

 

Matthew Woodward. Teesside EDL. Charged with child pornography and soliciting a thirteen year old for photographs.

 

Alan Thomas Ellis. Deeside EDL. Convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a fourteen year old girl.

 

Archie Sliman. EDL. Kidnapping and abusing a ten year old girl.

 

Stephen Payne. SDL. Convicted of grooming a thirteen year old.

 

Nigel Hesmondalgh. BNP. Jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children.

These bloody Neon Nazis