Brexit - Post Match Reaction

So, I asked this the other day, and didn't get an answer.

Does a no deal Brexit lead to a hard border in Ireland, and does it therefore contravene the GFA?

Pretty sad times...

So, I asked this the other day, and didn't get an answer.

 

Does a no deal Brexit lead to a hard border in Ireland, and does it therefore contravene the GFA?

Yes.

So, I asked this the other day, and didn't get an answer.

 

Does a no deal Brexit lead to a hard border in Ireland, and does it therefore contravene the GFA?

Post #9122 ;"The WTO trade rules would not require a 'hard' border, but the EU Single Market almost certainly would."

#9126 ;"Without an agreement the EU will have to impose strict border controls, the Single Market necessitates this. Without it, for instance, what is to stop somebody importing goods into NI from elsewhere under WTO tariffs that are lower than those of the EU, and then simply shipping these goods across a 'soft' border into Eire. One of the main criticisms of the 'smart' customs solutions is that they cannot 'see inside sealed trucks'."

Gove tearing Corbyn a new-one

More amused seeing Watson eviscerating May with pity.

pretty tragic, that the only person from May who holds less confidence from the house of commons is the leader of the opposition

Gove tearing Corbyn a new-one

That little weasel couldn’t tear a plastic bag.

Tom Watson’s utter pity was quite amusing though.

Post #9122 ;"The WTO trade rules would not require a 'hard' border, but the EU Single Market almost certainly would."

 

#9126 ;"Without an agreement the EU will have to impose strict border controls, the Single Market necessitates this. Without it, for instance, what is to stop somebody importing goods into NI from elsewhere under WTO tariffs that are lower than those of the EU, and then simply shipping these goods across a 'soft' border into Eire. One of the main criticisms of the 'smart' customs solutions is that they cannot 'see inside sealed trucks'."

SO, basically the EU is saying F**K the Irish?

Government win

A majority of 19. Some confidence!

SO, basically the EU is saying F**K the Irish?

The EU do not want a 'no deal' Brexit, precisely because of the NI border issues.

A majority of 19. Some confidence!

The DUP have earned their 30 pieces of silver.

Next vote of no confidence three days time...

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Post #9122 ;"The WTO trade rules would not require a 'hard' border, but the EU Single Market almost certainly would."

 

#9126 ;"Without an agreement the EU will have to impose strict border controls, the Single Market necessitates this. Without it, for instance, what is to stop somebody importing goods into NI from elsewhere under WTO tariffs that are lower than those of the EU, and then simply shipping these goods across a 'soft' border into Eire. One of the main criticisms of the 'smart' customs solutions is that they cannot 'see inside sealed trucks'."

Apologies, must have missed those.

SO, basically the EU is saying F**K the Irish?

No, because they've offered us a deal. It's our Government saying "**** the Irish" if we don't extend article 50.

Imagine being JC right now. Can’t even win that. [emoji23]

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No, because they've offered us a deal. It's our Government saying "**** the Irish" if we don't extend article 50.

Question is if all the other 27 countries will go along when the UK wants to extend article 50. As the majority of European companies are not prepared for any kind of Brexit, it would make sense for both the EU and the UK to postpone in order to have less economic damage. Yet we hear the EU is only willing to postpone when May assures there will be a second referendum or GE. Just hardball tactics or is the EU really willing to damage it’s own economy just to teach the UK a lesson?

Question is if all the other 27 countries will go along when the UK wants to extend article 50. As the majority of European companies are not prepared for any kind of Brexit, it would make sense for both the EU and the UK to postpone in order to have less economic damage. Yet we hear the EU is only willing to postpone when May assures there will be a second referendum or GE. Just hardball tactics or is the EU really willing to damage it’s own economy just to teach the UK a lesson?

They'll be prepped to vote that way, as otherwise it ****s over Ireland.

****ing hell, Corbyn's decided not to meet the PM to discuss Brexit.

He's a ****ing joke.

Is she resigning or what?

****ing hell, Corbyn's decided not to meet the PM to discuss Brexit.

 

He's a ****ing joke.

Shows what he is about....

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Is she resigning or what?

Nah, she's met with all the other leaders to try to thrash out what would be accepted. Guess who doesn't want to be involved? The one who doesn't know what he doesn't like and what he does want.

Nah, she's met with all the other leaders to try to thrash out what would be accepted. Guess who doesn't want to be involved? The one who doesn't know what he doesn't like and what he does want.

He is a joke. Can’t even win a vote of no confidence against a PM with the worst defeat on record.

People’s champ and all that

****ing hell, Corbyn's decided not to meet the PM to discuss Brexit.

 

He's a ****ing joke.

Maybe he’s crafted an amazing Machiavellian plan to stop brexit and claim the votes of the majority whilst simultaneously forcing the Tory party to tear itself apart. Or he’s a fivkwit

How to not win an election by Jeremy Corbyn...

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Maybe he’s crafted an amazing Machiavellian plan to stop brexit and claim the votes of the majority whilst simultaneously forcing the Tory party to tear itself apart. Or he’s a fivkwit

This will look incredibly bad on him if he doesn't even make the effort to go to number 10, after everyone else does.

This will look incredibly bad on him if he doesn't even make the effort to go to number 10.

Why? He’s insisting she rules out no deal. Fair enough.

Why? He’s insisting she rules out no deal. Fair enough.

Can't she rule that out to him at number 10? He's looking uncooperative, and that's not a good look in the situation we're in.

Nah, she's met with all the other leaders to try to thrash out what would be accepted. Guess who doesn't want to be involved? The one who doesn't know what he doesn't like and what he does want.

As if she would even invite him.

As if she would even invite him.

He's been invited - she invited him after the vote earlier in her speech.

Inviting the other leaders should've happened over two years ago as soon as she first took up her role as PM.

Inviting the other leaders should've happened over two years ago as soon as she first took up her role as PM.

That wasn't what you were arguing? You said "As if she would invite him".

But yes, that should have happened.

She can’t take no deal off the table...it’s law it will happen. Or am I wrong?

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That wasn't what you were arguing? You said "As if she would invite him".

 

But yes, that should have happened.

OK it's taken her over two years to invite him, forgive my surprise that it finally happened 9 weeks before we crash out on a no deal.

A matter of days before Brexit and now May wants to discuss it with the other leaders! After two years of wrestling with her own party.

What a mess.

She can’t take no deal off the table...it’s law it will happen. Or am I wrong?

 

 

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Seems that way.

Why people are desperate for her to take no deal ‘off the table’... is a strange one

OK it's taken her over two years to invite him, forgive my surprise that it finally happened 9 weeks before we crash out on a no deal.

I just assume you would have at least watched some of what has happened tonight, before deciding to comment, as otherwise you just end up looking like someone who will defend Corbyn at every turn without any substance for it.

As an aside, the rest of the leaders have been there - do you think Corbyn should go?

There is obviously no way Parliament is going to agree on a deal. Might as well either crack on with preparing for a no deal exit or sort out a delay for a second refurendum.

She can’t take no deal off the table...it’s law it will happen. Or am I wrong?

 

 

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Of course she can. She can propose legislation to revoke Article 50. How do you think the law is changed coleslaw?

#mess

A matter of days before Brexit and now May wants to discuss it with the other leaders! After two years of wrestling with her own party.

 

What a mess.

So there is two ways of looking at this. First of all, get a majority using her own party, the DUP, and any potential Labour MPs that don't want a "no deal". That will have been her plan, before giving concessions to other parties. I think she underestimated how poor her deal was.

I thought Corbyn was well known for sitting down and talking things through with people he doesn't agree with.

Of course she can. She can propose a new bill. How do you think the law is changed coleslaw?

 

#mess

Doesn’t that bill have to pass parliament? It’s all very complicated

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Doesn’t that bill have to pass parliament? It’s all very complicated

 

 

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Yes and the only majority in Parliament is against no deal.

Seems that way.

Why people are desperate for her to take no deal ‘off the table’... is a strange one

Not really, because all the other parties don't want us driving off a cliffedge with no deal - they'd prefer a second referendum or no Brexit.

Not strange at all.

I thought Corbyn was well known for sitting down and talking things through with people he doesn't agree with.

Nah, only terrorists, anti-semites, dictators and high ranking Russians - the ones he agrees with.

Yes and the only majority in Parliament is against no deal.

Righto, get it sorted then May and get Corbyn in. Get no deal of your table and don’t fall over that cliff.

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****ing hell, Corbyn's decided not to meet the PM to discuss Brexit.

 

He's a ****ing joke.

Because if he went tonight without the assurance of the removal of a no deal beforehand his own party would think he was bending to the opposition.

I reckon no deal will be taken off the table if a 2nd referendum is also taken off.

I just assume you would have at least watched some of what has happened tonight, before deciding to comment, as otherwise you just end up looking like someone who will defend Corbyn at every turn without any substance for it.

 

As an aside, the rest of the leaders have been there - do you think Corbyn should go?

I was watching the football, weren't you?