Ryan Bertrand

It's definitely time to give the captaincy to someone else. He hasn't led all season. Has played like he's just keeping fit for United or Spurs

On this season's half-assed performances, I'd be amazed if anyone decent comes in for Bertrand, let alone for crazy money.

 

Generally, he's looked out of shape, plodding and disinterested. A West Ham kind of signing.

 

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A bit like VVD was, then? Didn't harm his move or value.

A bit like VVD was, then? Didn't harm his move or value.

Our need to remain afloat will be a different ball game in the summer due to the pathetic policy of sticking with pellegrino for as long as we did coupled with les throwing out 5 years deals to crap players

Its pretty obvious to anyone who watches us regularly that he is a good player, playing in a **** team.

 

Likewise Tadic.

Neither would feature in my Saints player of the season, mind you not many would!

Surely it will depend on (a) whether there is a relegation clause in a given players contract and (b) whether the club is strong willed enough to ensure a given player sees out his contract? History tells us neither of these things will hold true, so if we go down there will be a significant overhaul of the squad, with many youngsters getting the call. I highly expect to see Targett or similar to be our LB next season.

My old man is a toon fan and recons the rumours up there are that we have said the price for Berty is 25m which they are willing to pay but not sure if he will go there or not !?

I think if he was to leave he would be hoping for something better than Newcastle. It's his last chance at a really big contract, probably.

I think time to cash in on him even if we stay up, his value is only going to decrease from here, full back is a very physical position and not many last at the top level past their early 30s.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5821965/Ryan-Bertrand-opens-heartache-England-World-Cup-rejection.html

Good interview.

Can't believe Young got in ahead of him, looked terrible against Nigeria.

To be fair and looking at those stats he has every reason to be angry.

Seems a very level headed guy.

"Management appeals but business interests me more; how to run a football club"

I reckon he'd do a better job as chairman than Krueger.

In a season full of underperforming players, he was one of our better players, no doubt about it. Young ahead of him as left back was the only thing that Southgate got wrong, especially since Rose is so injury prone.

Very unlucky not to be on the plane, and comes across really well in the interview. Hopefully he knuckles down, uses it as motivation, stays at Saints and plays a blinder next season.

Good interview by Ryan, Ralph and Les watch and learn in how to talk football with the press, our skipper knows his stuff. There’s probably things he could learn from Ralph on the commercial side but rather than have someone articulate like that on the sidelines when the club is in a transition phase, give him that player liaison role with the board. Kelvin needs to focus on his coaching.

Really good interview from Ryan.

The shame of it all is that he just realise that playing for Saints (and being in a relegation battle) has cost him his place in the WC squad.

So who could blame him if he now felt he needs to get away

Can't believe Young got in ahead of him, looked terrible against Nigeria.

Not as bad as Rose looked against Costa Rica.

Really good interview from Ryan.

The shame of it all is that he just realise that playing for Saints (and being in a relegation battle) has cost him his place in the WC squad.

So who could blame him if he now felt he needs to get away

His performances for Saints in a relegation battle cost him his place. He was part of the problem, part of the reason we were in a relegation battle. I hope he realises that, even if his fan boys on here don’t. Had he played to the level he had in previous years he’d be going, it’s as simple as that.

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I've every sympathy for people with mental health problems such as Rose : https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/danny-rose-tells-family-not-travel-world-cup-player-racism-fears-abuse-england-football-team

I'm just not sure how much he's now recovered (from physical injury too) and whether throwing him into the cauldron of a World Cup in a less than sympathetic environment is the right thing to do.

His performances for Saints in a relegation battle cost him his place. He was part of the problem, part of the reason we were in a relegation battle. I hope he realises that, even if his fan boys on here don’t. Had he played to the level he had in previous years he’d be going, it’s as simple as that.

I agree he contributed to us being in the relegation fight, but did Danny Rose really contribute more on the field this season? I think not! If Rose played about 8 games in an injury hit season for Saints, he wouldn’t be going surely?

How on earth does Danny Rose get in the squad over Bertrand?? Baffling

His performances for Saints in a relegation battle cost him his place. He was part of the problem, part of the reason we were in a relegation battle. I hope he realises that, even if his fan boys on here don’t. Had he played to the level he had in previous years he’d be going, it’s as simple as that.

 

 

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I generally agree with quite a lot of what you write, but sorry this is just balmy. If he was that bad throughout the season how was he picked for qualifying games. I fear we will only really appreciate Bertie when he's gone, shame really, top player and really nice bloke as well.

 

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His leadership and performance last year was sub standard for a senior player. He began to show form towards the end of the season, but he was poor

His leadership and performance last year was sub standard for a senior player. He began to show form towards the end of the season, but he was poor

Absolutely this. He talked about complacency in the linked article, but nobody was more complacent than him, at times it bordered on disgraceful. Leadership and organisation isn’t always about shouting and bollocking people, you can go about it differentl. But he showed a complete and utter lack of it 75% of the season.

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Quality interview, especially liked this part "There is paper-talk. It is flattering but it is not the reality. I am a Southampton player."

His leadership and performance last year was sub standard for a senior player. He began to show form towards the end of the season, but he was poor

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Rose was garbage against Costa Rica. I'm not saying Ryan would have done any better - it was just like watching Saints the last couple of years - boring, possession based risk averse rubbish. How many crosses did Rose put in - none. It was get the ball, stop running and pass it back. The only player making forward runs from wing back was Trippier and he was a sub! Henderson had just about enough quality to find him. We haven't learned the lessons of Iceland. Pass the ball forwards! As I say - just like Saints - pass the ball forwards and we look like a decent side.

He should have picked Bertrand, played him on the left of the back three to give Rose support (or instead of him). I'm not surprised he thinks he has been overlooked - shocking decision. Hope he enjoys his holiday and comes back refreshed!

I was at Elland Road Thursday and the fans were getting on Rose back badly. As was Vardy because no early balls or service were coming quick enough. He was garbage tbh

Just saw an article linking him with Newcastle, but which also says Citeh, Spurs and Wolves are monitoring him. Could easily see him going to Spurs (location) and surely he'd jump at citeh?

Edit, link;

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-linked-ryan-bertrand-14763690

When Rose is easily beaten and the opposition score Southgate will regret not taking the best English left back we have.

Yes he had a deplorably poor season but that has as much to do with the management and style of play wanted than his talent.

Ryan enjoys playing for England and will now enjoy playing in a more adventurous Saints side hopefully

The difference in his play once MH had the team playing forward showed his quality in a better light.

Quality interview, especially liked this part "There is paper-talk. It is flattering but it is not the reality. I am a Southampton player."

Standard response of 99% of footballers when asked about a potential transfer, though.

But again doesn't answer the question, only reinforces my point. If he was so poor how did he continuously get selected for England. Also, the only club I've seen him linked to is Man City, again if he was that bad, why would the premiere league champions be interested.

 

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This!

The difference in his play once MH had the team playing forward showed his quality in a better light.

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Let’s not sell anymore of our best players. Targett and McQueen are no where near him in terms of ability.

I was at Elland Road Thursday and the fans were getting on Rose back badly. As was Vardy because no early balls or service were coming quick enough. He was garbage tbh

I was at Newcastle when Bertrand was garbage, I was at West Ham when Bertrand was garbage . I was at st Mary's when having chucked a 2 goal lead away Bertrand left the pitch laughing and joking.

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I was at Newcastle when Bertrand was garbage, I was at West Ham when Bertrand was garbage . I was at st Mary's when having chucked a 2 goal lead away Bertrand left the pitch laughing and joking.

 

 

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Still our best LB by miles.

A few saints fans must have got worried when Bertrand posted a van dijk-esque plane window photo. Nice to see him shut it down straight away!

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I still kind of get the impression that Bertrand might have done the big club thing and doesn't want to do it again.

Not that if like City made a bid and we accepted he'd turn it down, but more that I feel he won't agitate for a move away unless we go down or something else major upsets him.

And it's not like money is clearly an issue looking at that picture.

I still kind of get the impression that Bertrand might have done the big club thing and doesn't want to do it again.

 

Not that if like City made a bid and we accepted he'd turn it down, but more that I feel he won't agitate for a move away unless we go down or something else major upsets him.

 

And it's not like money is clearly an issue looking at that picture.

That’s the way I read it. Probably looked/was ****ed off playing with a manager like we had for the most part of the season. I know I was and I’m only sat in the stands [emoji6]

Well if he doesn't want to do the big club thing again, he has Romeu to keep him company.

He doesn't look happy when he's on holiday, no wonder he always looks miserable on the pitch

I love the guy though.

I think he is trying to look cool in that picture, smiling would make it look like it's a super special occasion, whereas I think he is trying to show that it's just his life, no big deal sort of thing.

Or maybe he just doesn't like flying.

I still kind of get the impression that Bertrand might have done the big club thing and doesn't want to do it again.

 

Not that if like City made a bid and we accepted he'd turn it down, but more that I feel he won't agitate for a move away unless we go down or something else major upsets him.

 

And it's not like money is clearly an issue looking at that picture.

I agree, but am a bit worried that he'll feel that playing for us has cost him his England place, and that a move might put him higher up the international pecking order. He's not that old after all and could reasonably have expected to be England LB for a few years yet

I wonder what's going to happen to Bertie? I assumed he'd def be off this summer.

Are City still looking for a left back?

I wonder what's going to happen to Bertie? I assumed he'd def be off this summer.

 

Are City still looking for a left back?

You wouldn't think so with Mendy, Delph, Danilo and Zincenko as options. I think that's what it'll come down to. He could end up staying because no one needs a 1st or even 2nd choice LB.

Arsenal, Montreal and Kolasinac

Chelsea, Alonso, Zappacosta and Emerson

United, Shaw, Young, (New signing, but will aim higher)

Liverpool, Robertson and Moreno

Spurs, Davies and Rose.

You wouldn't think so with Mendy, Delph, Danilo and Zincenko as options. I think that's what it'll come down to. He could end up staying because no one needs a 1st or even 2nd choice LB.

 

Arsenal, Montreal and Kolasinac

Chelsea, Alonso, Zappacosta and Emerson

United, Shaw, Young, (New signing, but will aim higher)

Liverpool, Robertson and Moreno

Spurs, Davies and Rose.

That's what I was thinking. Good analysis!

You wouldn't think so with Mendy, Delph, Danilo and Zincenko as options. I think that's what it'll come down to. He could end up staying because no one needs a 1st or even 2nd choice LB.

 

Arsenal, Montreal and Kolasinac

Chelsea, Alonso, Zappacosta and Emerson

United, Shaw, Young, (New signing, but will aim higher)

Liverpool, Robertson and Moreno

Spurs, Davies and Rose.

Plus he's already won the Champions League! The best he can now hope for you'd think is to have a f**king good season and get in the England squad for the Euros?

I wonder what's going to happen to Bertie? I assumed he'd def be off this summer.

 

Are City still looking for a left back?

bottom of this suggests not: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/southampton-in-15m-move-for-man-city-keeper-gunn/cwi6ngd4whoq10yzvecoxzpxz

Still not a peep about any potential suitors?

He is not going anywhere..