Lol @ the troll. JWP was very good today.
My conspiracy theory is that the resident trolls get free membership here because of all the internet traffic they generate. Dangermouse earned his corn tonight with plenty of nibbles.
I put my hands up, fully expected us to lose yesterday.
With Sunderland winning 4-0 at Palace the week before and our barren run I thought it would be an easy Sunderland win for sure, even backed them for £10 to beat us, but fortunately we actually turned up for once and put in a performance, albeit against very poor opposition.
Am I right in thinking that after all this time Puel the fool has finally found the 4-2-3-1 formation?!
I thought Ward-Prowse was superb
Still last on the US version of MOTD
The winner today was our formation change, please don't go back to 4-3-3 for a bit.
Davis and Romeu holding.
JWP on the right to cross balls in, Tadic in the centre pulling the strings and Redders on the left creating space for ryan to move into.
Manolo being an Italian assasin
Excellent performance and result.
Gabbiadini looks excellent, Tadic looked on his game, and I really liked the 1-2 for Long's goal.
Really important to win this game after our poor run. Everyone stood up to be counted. Fair play.
Not sure why this is humble pie? Was blatantly obvious that we'd win this and I called us smashing them in the pre match thread then bet on it. If people really think we're worse than Sunderland they should take a step back and have a good look at how we've been playing under Puel. We've just needed an effective striker and we now have one!
Gabbi's off the ball movement is superb and he links very well with our midfielders and tadic in particular. It's just a shame that the club sold Fonte when vvd was injured, that will probably cost us a fortune in league position come may.
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Great result & a definite step in the right direction but some people are very naive & short sighted, one win does not mean an immediate u turn some people that were calling puel useless & the worst manager ever are now back to the puels is a "master tactician" camp, there is a long way to go & let's not forget we have still seen more turgid lifeless effortless games this season than good ones.
That said we now have what looks to be a promising new striker & most likely a new defender so puel has to be given time to utilise these new players & learn his best team, he will be given the rest of the season no doubt about that
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It's bloody hard not to get too low when we lose or too high when we win, but thats what some great years has done to saints fans. We have, in relative terms, been spoilt by some great football, players and teams in recent times. There was bound to be a drop off. It's been hard to readjust expectations, but we are a mid table kind of team right now, which considering the talent that has departed is not too shabby. That said, we have spent a few bob to replace that talent, so maybe we are pretty much the exact team you'd expect under the circumstances.
Finishing high enough to achieve respectability ad avoiding qualifying for Europe. I say that, because we are not really big enough to facilitate a European campaign as has been proven this season.
The performance was essentially bit that different from the match against West Ham. The difference was finishing (and maybe a bit of luck).
As I pointed out after the match last week we had more expected goals then West Ham (1.3 vs 0.5 xG).
Yesterday we were slightly better with 1.6 vs 0.2 xG. To get a return of 4 goals from that is very generous (1.6 vs 0.2 is a very good performance).
The point I'm making is that we have been playing quite well without getting results in some matches. If you want to be critical of performances look no further then Burley, West Brom or the Swansea games.
The difference yesterday was someone who can score. All season i've been saying we are not that 'boring' but we can't put it in the net, which obviously is key in terms of entertainment. Yesterday I didn't see us playing any differently to many games this season, the difference is a striker who can make good runs and can finish. Goals = exciting. Quality up front = goals.
Sirs (I assume none of you are ladies),
I do not know you, nor would I wish to. Therefore upon what premise do you base your suggestions that I have intended deliberately to court your (meaningless) attention or have you 'bite' in response to what was my own personal view based on my attendance at yesterday's game?
I will address a couple of other points that were made, but only those. After that it is for you to decide to continue to debate irrelevances or take a more pragmatic approach.
Some have said my marks are low. They are and they will always be relative to those who simply throw them away and/or do not consider quite what it is they are doing: that is how I do it. I did, for all of you who singularly failed to read and comprehend the comment in the post I made, state that I had amended the marks to reflect the paucity (feel free to look it up should you require: none of you seem to have demonstrated much, if anything, by way of intelligence) of the opposition. Were, for example, the full Real Madrid team to play Taunton's tenth team and trounce them with Bale scoring 20 would you give him a 10/10 or would you (sensibly, so perhaps it is a vain hope) make some comment akin to “That was a pointless exercise, why bother?” i.e. you would modify your appreciation of something in light of the facts. One of the comments on a Sunderland site was that we'd strolled it at 50% so why not recognise that?
Forster was given a 7 by the Sky website but what did he really do? He didn't try to stop the disallowed goal and he missed a punch from a corner and made some regulation saves. Other than that he was a bystander. Now unless you want to give a 7 as a mark for someone who could almost have sat down in the crowd with a cuppa you would have to question that mark. I think he should have looked to have never let any shot past him – Niemi wouldn't have as a matter of “Keeper's Honour” and apart from the little things that he did that he was expected to he (so I understand from looking at matters later). I have now seen the handball and do consider that while this was enough to mean Forster wouldn't get to it I do think he should have come for it. Someone like Lloris would.
Many of you no doubt don't watch players in the warm up. You can tell a lot about a player in a warm up and see those who play functionally and those who 'caress the ball' and the latter are usually the better players. The Sunderland team were awful and given that a football should be like a second skin to a professional player the way they kicked the ball was distinctly amateur. This ties in with my criticism of JWP. Again, I didn't see he had assisted SL's goal because it was a long way away from us but even on MOTD he was given a lot of space and time to hit that gaping hole where SL was waiting. What I dislike about him is that he looks 'coached' (and if you've ever played against anyone who has been coached you'll know what I mean but not a natural football player. His posture is wrong, he address the ball wrongly and he seems to just do things without regard for what is really happening about him. He also seems slow mentally which makes me think that he can't react instinctively and there is nothing in how he plays and moves that makes me think he's a footballer. OR is because there are many times when he tackles someone, gets the ball and is surrounded by 3 or 4 players and still comes away with the ball just by pushing it into the right space: he understands football.
The game itself was a poor spectacle by and large and not unlike watching parks football at times, particularly when Sunderland had the ball. Quite how so many can be enthused by the performance I cannot fathom; although the result was welcome, but expected.
Now you might be all so full of your own self-importance to believe that someone is interested only in seeking to 'get a rise' out of you, but you are wrong. You are irrelevant, quite frankly, so I would suggest that should you be able you look at the world you inhabit and yourselves critically and recognise that it is there wherein you will find the failings, not with I.
The most patronising post on the forum in years. You are welcome to your opinion on the game, but not to cast it over other forum members.
Fck me why do people drivel on writing such long posts. No self awareness. TLDR.
Anyone would think we actually beat a top side rather than the worst team in the league.
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Christ, this is the most tedious, self-important post-match thread ever.
I didn't read it, but the replies afterwards sum it all up.
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Excellent win after the first 20 minutes which by contrast, were poor. Forster was his usual wobbly self but the defence and Romeu, once the team got a stranglehold of the game, were superb.
Stephens and Yoshida looked incredibly well-drilled and dealt with Defoe superbly. Like others said, Stephens mugging off Defoe was a huge highlight of a very capable performance.
At times, we did play some lovely stuff; neat triangles and incisive passing and I'm finally starting to see the point in Redmond; he's definitely getting better, gradually. I think he'll be an up 'n' downer in terms of performances but given the team I'm actually starting to think he's going to make me eat a huge slice of humble pie.
JWP and Davis were competent but with only Romeu as the power-base, against more tougher, robust midfields we'll be trampled over (as already witnessed) this season. Romeu definitely needs a solid partner and Clasie also isn't the answer.
J-Rod can f()ck off if he's going to whine and whinge about not getting on; he's hardly warranted the starts he's already been given and has been a huge disappointment. Puel was correct to introduce Hojberg and if J-Rod can't get with that it's about the team and not him then maybe he should move and we should cash in.
Sunderland in comparison were embarrassing; they'll be better off going down, gutting the team and bringing in a manager with a solid tactical philosophy and enabling them to build from scratch. They are just a complete waste of space whilst they're in the top division.
That said, I'm not going to complain too much - they're normally good for 4-6 points a season!
Hope Leicester go down with Sunderland.